Where is his spiritual experience? It is amazing how easy it is to critique someone over the internet when you don't have to see them. Why are you looking for experiences online? Get to practice!
Incidentally, minutes before this was filmed, he shared his clairvoyance with everyone in the audience and allowed them to see him physically transform into Moses and Sri Yukteswar. How about that for an experience? But he understands this can't be presented on film.
We are the same as a newborn baby, but we are just a more developed form of that baby. So we have the same Spirit within us all, but he has developed his Spiritual idenity more than most of us. so, therefore i do not see it as ego personally. This comment is in respect
this is not a metaphysical philosophy, it is reality. i'm not trying to discourage you from building a philisophical framework that is cohesive and comprehensive, but consciousness is buried deep inside your brain. you are talking about them as if they are not an aspect of you. if you want to understand consciousness, you will want to disassemble your framework of ideas. The answers you seek are all inside you; instead of asking where awareness can be found, ask where it can not be found.
I appreciate your response, however it brings me no closer to an answer. Talking of consciousness as being 'buried deep inside' and awareness having one or more spacial locations is tricky stuff. I suppose what I am asking is, how would I recognize 'consciousness' and 'awareness' if I were to encounter them? How would I konw I am not confusing it for something else, or that my experience of them is the same or different than someone elses?
Try defining God, or love, or happiness. you will find that your words don't define much, but they point towards the meaning you are trying to convey. I could write many books describing the beauty of my wife's eyes, and although my words might be beautiful, and precise, they can never replace the experience, nor can they explain it or define it. I have read about love, and wondered if i could ever feel such passion. When I look into my wife's eyes, howeverI have no doubt that I am in love.
I think what he meant is equal in nature but not status. Through self endeavor status can rise up, but the nature is still there. Like the Buddha said (and this is my favorite quote): "I am a buddha being, you are all buddhas to be."
hi i love listening to all gurus my friend has a guru it means g you are you am i right we are all the same and we all beleive in the one god in any religion great work keep it up maura ireland
Belief and experience are two separate things. Buddha taught to not believe, but to experience God. Yogiraj is descended from the same solar lineage as Gautama the Buddha, who was an Indian yogi with Nath yogi gurus Aradhya Kalam and Udraka Ramputra. Om Shanti ~hy
Do u now what you're talking about bro? God plainly doesn't exist in Buddhsim, especially one that was taught by the Buddha. Please do some reading before sharing your knowledge. BTW, do you know what the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path are?
Buddha was not a buddhist. Jesus was not a Christian. God is just a word. Words inform, but Experience transforms. To understand the mind of the Buddha, you yourself have to be a Bodhisattva. Therefore in my opinion its better to meditate more and talk less. Best to you on your path. ~hy
God is not just a word. It's a concept/notion. Are we talking about the same thing here? If you refer to God as the highest state one can achieve (buddhahood) then I have no objection. But if God was meant to be the Creator/Ruler then you were just simply mistaken as that concept was rejected by the Buddha, so was the self! I agree with you about the importance of experience though. Best of luck to you on your path too! How far have you been walking on it may I ask? :-)
I think he is like a parent and I am like a child yet still we both remain...human...therefore we are still the same. I don't hear ego leaking through his words but rather knowledge. He doesn't say he is 'better' but more developed and that statement is accurate. I don't have the patience to clear my thoughts and relax for five minutes lol! He is more expirenced and knowledgbable in such things...that doesn't mean I am any less human nor him more human we both remain the same...human.
Very interesting that he does not mention judaism as one of the main religions, I wander why that is. I am not sure if it is coincidental, since there are 2 instnces when he mentions all the other religions, so 2 opportunities where he could have also added judaism, and he doesn't. Does anybody know why? If we are all one, why not include ALL the main religions, and certainly include the oldest one.
@lunalunamy ...Judaism...Oldest religion? How many years old? Has it become "the" oldest just because you said so? Santana Dharma, there it stands time less and eternal.
@lunalunamy he could have mentioned witchcraft or the force from star wars which are also major religions. you understood what me meant, it is useless to pick and prod
@lunalunamy You know, there are more Sikhs than Jews in the world, and he didn't mention them either. My guess is that since he considers all religions to be equal, he's not expecting people to get pissed off because he missed a religion in his unimportant list.
Jxeter, good guess, but you've missed the message. He is not COLD READING thoughts - he is becoming your veritable consciousness, from which all your thoughts arise. His soul consciousness is expanding to unite with your soul consciousness, and when you attune yourself to him, your mind harmonizes to experience his stillness - which is the stillness beyond thought.
We are all the Atman, no? So from what I take from this is that he sees through our eyes because we are all one. When we merge our minds with the universe through meditation, Tattwa and Ahamkara are non-existant. We are all pieces of the Atman, or Jiwa-Atman. Yogiraj speaks very brilliantly.
and then i heard someone say it and figured that the third person must feel it too... then... do u see what I mean? my therapist says mind-reading is a cognitive distortion... but dont get me wrong... mind reading is very pleasurable. if u think u know what another is thinking, and then you react accordingly.. u think that u are behaving in the best way possibe... and it seems improbable that u can know what someone is thinking...
i find it curious when he says that he sees himself from other people's eyes... if no one of us is the same then how can he do that? i've meditated for a couple of years and did the same thing
i totally agree with you that we should always try to help people even though we don`t know if we are really helping but what i wished to say was that we can`t even help someone if she/he doesn`t let us and yes i can feel the suffering of people
but i think it`s even worse when someone dies in a car accident or when people kill each other
i really can`t understand how they can do that and when we think that all that suffering and "natural disasters" were caused by ourselves either by not acting or acting in the wrong manner
it`s just awful
but i think and hope it`s not too late to change that and hope we will not stop trying
Yes, thank you, and peace to you too. It comes and goes - the pain of it all. We need to move up into the next level because the world is too small now - we will have to give up some of our selfishness if we wish to survive. So that's a new road for human beings because throughout history we have fought to keep what's ours. I'm sure it is a hard lesson for everyone but definitely part of the evolutionary journey upwards. Blessings to all.
but i think you forget that those misleadings and lies that lead us the wrong way are also part of our journey...it is very often that those lies and mistruths are the motivator that makes us question ourselves and ask: where did i go wrong? and why am i here? and that teach us many things... and that often direct us towards the true path...
and i agree with your second sentence but still if you
nothing is written in the stone ,some believe in the ascended masters ,and others think they don't even exist.I can agree that it may exist for the believers,anything goes for the belivers.I believe in believing in myself or Oneself that exist for everyone,like the yogi is doing,I bless you all.Truth is wery simple please don't complicate it...It is always to each own...
We love the Yogi but he is not an ascended master, he should not bill himself as such. He is doing a great service to the world and has much knowledge but an Ascended Master can move freely between all planes and has a body of light, this man does not.
my friend you should watch the superman for instant satisfaction.Otherwise the true path is a lot of work,it is not for every body aspecially for the talking heads!
Too bad mankind hasn't as of yet surpassed the middle ages in his thinking about the mind. Look at the way we treat our mentally ill? Why it's taking so long for people to see the simple truths of how our minds work is a mystery to me. And I saw him in person already (the blessed guru).
Dear Wendy, My comment is not negative toward you. My comment is sincere, such that, what is his suchness, what is yours, what is mine? Can we always be certain and thus fixed in our ideas. I apologize if my response offended you. Om Namah Shivaya.
I saw in the spirit this weekend over the subject, and I think it was not his mistake at all anyway - maybe Learning Light didn't know better and billed him that way. There is a difference between a yogi guru master and an ascended master, and a Swami too. So it's probably not his fault at all but just ignorance on the part of the western world. Bless you!
To have an illumined being give you firsthand contact with the Infinite is experiential. When your kundalini goes up your spine thru your chakras during initiation, then you'll know why. Everyone has the right to live their lives but quality of life seems to be the question. Are people living or are they reacting to the urgings of their particular hunger? What kind of life do you want? Normalcy? If you're content with that then enjoy it.
I seek to change my nature to its original form which is purported to be divine. The reason that I do kriya is to change breath into prana and then prana into conciousness which facilitates a better communion in Spirit. Most of the people I know are not initiates.
Sri Yukteswar said that wisdom is assimilated in the atoms and not in the mind. That's what kriya accesses.
At the initiation, I felt a surge of energy in my spine which felt like I was connected to the turbines at Hoover Dam and my heart opened like the flood gates. During the practice of kriya I feel the texture of the prana become conciousness and I am uplifted.
Mother Center is in or near Pune so I can visit that place during my next session of studies in Pune with Iyengar-family. I'm gratefull for your answering to my questions! I will restart my morning pranayama :)
When are you going to India? Yogiraj is coming to the U.S. in July for 4 months. What pranyam are you practicing? Have a good trip and what are you studying in Pune? All the best.
I'm going to India in november. So hope to see Yogiraj in India? I'm trying to do Ujayi, Viloma and Antara Kumbhaka. I practice asanas in Iyengar-yoga institute...
Yogiraj might be in Europe in November. He usually goes back to India sometime in December. You might want to check the website schedule for periodic updates. Cheers.
so... I'm still in India during half December or maybe whole december... I already sent e-mail to website and now waiting for reply - greetings from Russia
I had a strange thought..if nothingness is God..I would see that as the pre-existence of the universe..then with all the matter and energy created..I would have to disagree..a comet or a supernova isn't stillness, it's work or energy in motion..even God is restless, Master..I won't fluctuate though, thanks..
Though the dream may take one to comets and supernovas, the head of the Dreamer never leaves the pillow. The dream is full of ACTION, while the Dreamer, the Divine SELF, lies in perfect BE~ingness. Santi Faith
do let me know by email LOL
carlosfavielfont 1 week ago
Very Goood Comen SENSE of our Pure Self ,,
Thanks S3-HY
2Durr 6 months ago
very true very true
chrisdeli7158 10 months ago
Thank you for all the things you taught us.Humanity is the only thing for us
mojimo100 10 months ago
Humanity is the one only thing for us.
mojimo100 10 months ago
we are the shadow of consciousness on the material world
grifas111 1 year ago
"Humanity ones only religion, Breath ones only prayer, Consciousness ones only God"
SuperCozmos 1 year ago
Thank you! What do you think of Kundalini Yoga taught by Yogi Bhajan?
nycballer4life 2 years ago
Where is his spiritual experience? It is amazing how easy it is to critique someone over the internet when you don't have to see them. Why are you looking for experiences online? Get to practice!
Incidentally, minutes before this was filmed, he shared his clairvoyance with everyone in the audience and allowed them to see him physically transform into Moses and Sri Yukteswar. How about that for an experience? But he understands this can't be presented on film.
sosorius 2 years ago
it makes so much sense now
thank you
onerefuse 2 years ago
i am the emptiness, the fullness, and the container that holds them both.
Doctorfreshjives47 3 years ago
I am both the bow, the arrow and the target.
I am the cake that I am eating right now
babs5005 3 years ago
your life is a stream by which all others flow
Ashkeeper 3 years ago
We are the same as a newborn baby, but we are just a more developed form of that baby. So we have the same Spirit within us all, but he has developed his Spiritual idenity more than most of us. so, therefore i do not see it as ego personally. This comment is in respect
peace
MalakiYah 3 years ago 2
no tongue has soiled it
GG74K 3 years ago
this is not a metaphysical philosophy, it is reality. i'm not trying to discourage you from building a philisophical framework that is cohesive and comprehensive, but consciousness is buried deep inside your brain. you are talking about them as if they are not an aspect of you. if you want to understand consciousness, you will want to disassemble your framework of ideas. The answers you seek are all inside you; instead of asking where awareness can be found, ask where it can not be found.
Diatonic135 3 years ago
I appreciate your response, however it brings me no closer to an answer. Talking of consciousness as being 'buried deep inside' and awareness having one or more spacial locations is tricky stuff. I suppose what I am asking is, how would I recognize 'consciousness' and 'awareness' if I were to encounter them? How would I konw I am not confusing it for something else, or that my experience of them is the same or different than someone elses?
Manolo1986 3 years ago
Try defining God, or love, or happiness. you will find that your words don't define much, but they point towards the meaning you are trying to convey. I could write many books describing the beauty of my wife's eyes, and although my words might be beautiful, and precise, they can never replace the experience, nor can they explain it or define it. I have read about love, and wondered if i could ever feel such passion. When I look into my wife's eyes, howeverI have no doubt that I am in love.
Diatonic135 3 years ago 2
consciousness is stillness of mind
just a suggestion but if if you try meditation / breathing slowly
correctly try not to think any thought as long as you can
an you will be on the correct path to enlightenment kundalini yoga is great for this formlessness is the way
namaste
qwalznarg 2 years ago
exactly..pureawareness!
kiowa22 4 years ago
I think what he meant is equal in nature but not status. Through self endeavor status can rise up, but the nature is still there. Like the Buddha said (and this is my favorite quote): "I am a buddha being, you are all buddhas to be."
duydien 4 years ago
hi i love listening to all gurus my friend has a guru it means g you are you am i right we are all the same and we all beleive in the one god in any religion great work keep it up maura ireland
mysticiallight 4 years ago
The Buddha believes in no god, especially when the word is used to refer to the All Mighty Creator.
duydien 4 years ago
Belief and experience are two separate things. Buddha taught to not believe, but to experience God. Yogiraj is descended from the same solar lineage as Gautama the Buddha, who was an Indian yogi with Nath yogi gurus Aradhya Kalam and Udraka Ramputra. Om Shanti ~hy
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
Do u now what you're talking about bro? God plainly doesn't exist in Buddhsim, especially one that was taught by the Buddha. Please do some reading before sharing your knowledge. BTW, do you know what the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path are?
duydien 4 years ago
Buddha was not a buddhist. Jesus was not a Christian. God is just a word. Words inform, but Experience transforms. To understand the mind of the Buddha, you yourself have to be a Bodhisattva. Therefore in my opinion its better to meditate more and talk less. Best to you on your path. ~hy
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
God is not just a word. It's a concept/notion. Are we talking about the same thing here? If you refer to God as the highest state one can achieve (buddhahood) then I have no objection. But if God was meant to be the Creator/Ruler then you were just simply mistaken as that concept was rejected by the Buddha, so was the self! I agree with you about the importance of experience though. Best of luck to you on your path too! How far have you been walking on it may I ask? :-)
duydien 4 years ago
brilliant, nicely put my friend.
grifas111 1 year ago
guru means one who dispels the darkness!!
karlrebello 4 years ago
a genius
nortonsign 4 years ago
he thinks only he knows
doing is better than talking
go and do somethink
everyone knows what u know
haroonuk 4 years ago
I think he is like a parent and I am like a child yet still we both remain...human...therefore we are still the same. I don't hear ego leaking through his words but rather knowledge. He doesn't say he is 'better' but more developed and that statement is accurate. I don't have the patience to clear my thoughts and relax for five minutes lol! He is more expirenced and knowledgbable in such things...that doesn't mean I am any less human nor him more human we both remain the same...human.
Motherchi 4 years ago
Rudraksha beads
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
Very interesting that he does not mention judaism as one of the main religions, I wander why that is. I am not sure if it is coincidental, since there are 2 instnces when he mentions all the other religions, so 2 opportunities where he could have also added judaism, and he doesn't. Does anybody know why? If we are all one, why not include ALL the main religions, and certainly include the oldest one.
lunalunamy 4 years ago
No special reason why. He does speak about Judaism and is connected with Moses. He has many jewish students.
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
@lunalunamy ...Judaism...Oldest religion? How many years old? Has it become "the" oldest just because you said so? Santana Dharma, there it stands time less and eternal.
premapuranam 1 year ago
@lunalunamy he could have mentioned witchcraft or the force from star wars which are also major religions. you understood what me meant, it is useless to pick and prod
fuckinrelax 1 year ago
@lunalunamy You know, there are more Sikhs than Jews in the world, and he didn't mention them either. My guess is that since he considers all religions to be equal, he's not expecting people to get pissed off because he missed a religion in his unimportant list.
Peace.
EschatonFlux 10 months ago
red coral probably
EppicChick 4 years ago
Also, I take eyes to include ajna chakra, and also the bindu. The physical eyes see only Maya; it is through Bindu and Ajna Chakra that we truly see.
Om Shanti Peace Om. Namaste. Yogi C. Mike
yogicmike 4 years ago
(the last 3 comments starts at the bottom...[the first one])
Jxeter 4 years ago
Jxeter, good guess, but you've missed the message. He is not COLD READING thoughts - he is becoming your veritable consciousness, from which all your thoughts arise. His soul consciousness is expanding to unite with your soul consciousness, and when you attune yourself to him, your mind harmonizes to experience his stillness - which is the stillness beyond thought.
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
We are all the Atman, no? So from what I take from this is that he sees through our eyes because we are all one. When we merge our minds with the universe through meditation, Tattwa and Ahamkara are non-existant. We are all pieces of the Atman, or Jiwa-Atman. Yogiraj speaks very brilliantly.
Om. Shanti Peace Om. Namaste.~Yogi C. Mike
yogicmike 4 years ago
and then i heard someone say it and figured that the third person must feel it too... then... do u see what I mean? my therapist says mind-reading is a cognitive distortion... but dont get me wrong... mind reading is very pleasurable. if u think u know what another is thinking, and then you react accordingly.. u think that u are behaving in the best way possibe... and it seems improbable that u can know what someone is thinking...
Jxeter 4 years ago
he was talking about.. then i thought..
"aren't i just seeing other people's point of view thru how I already view the world?" like if i got insecure when someone said something..
Jxeter 4 years ago
i find it curious when he says that he sees himself from other people's eyes... if no one of us is the same then how can he do that? i've meditated for a couple of years and did the same thing
Jxeter 4 years ago
a genius, .. i dig his words
splityourface 4 years ago
i think you misunderstood what i wished to say :D
i totally agree with you that we should always try to help people even though we don`t know if we are really helping but what i wished to say was that we can`t even help someone if she/he doesn`t let us and yes i can feel the suffering of people
pgrifon 4 years ago
but i think it`s even worse when someone dies in a car accident or when people kill each other
i really can`t understand how they can do that and when we think that all that suffering and "natural disasters" were caused by ourselves either by not acting or acting in the wrong manner
it`s just awful
but i think and hope it`s not too late to change that and hope we will not stop trying
peace be in your heart :D
pgrifon 4 years ago
Yes, thank you, and peace to you too. It comes and goes - the pain of it all. We need to move up into the next level because the world is too small now - we will have to give up some of our selfishness if we wish to survive. So that's a new road for human beings because throughout history we have fought to keep what's ours. I'm sure it is a hard lesson for everyone but definitely part of the evolutionary journey upwards. Blessings to all.
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
everyone has to do her/his part
we can`t make the journey for someone else they got to do it them selves and we have to do it ourselves
again peace be with you
pgrifon 4 years ago
don`t believe that we will end before we become enlightened as a whole as we are supposed to)
well maybe i`m too optimistic but i believe that we will make it :D
peace be with all beings...
pgrifon 4 years ago
but i think you forget that those misleadings and lies that lead us the wrong way are also part of our journey...it is very often that those lies and mistruths are the motivator that makes us question ourselves and ask: where did i go wrong? and why am i here? and that teach us many things... and that often direct us towards the true path...
and i agree with your second sentence but still if you
pgrifon 4 years ago
From the true spiritual teachings.
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
Om Nama Shivaya
MASTERASOKA 4 years ago
sorry about the spams,it was an accident.I clicked on the wrong buttons
akimbo999 4 years ago
nothing is written in the stone ,some believe in the ascended masters ,and others think they don't even exist.I can agree that it may exist for the believers,anything goes for the belivers.I believe in believing in myself or Oneself that exist for everyone,like the yogi is doing,I bless you all.Truth is wery simple please don't complicate it...It is always to each own...
akimbo999 4 years ago
The truth is simple, deception can be complicated, though.
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
We love the Yogi but he is not an ascended master, he should not bill himself as such. He is doing a great service to the world and has much knowledge but an Ascended Master can move freely between all planes and has a body of light, this man does not.
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
my friend you should watch the superman for instant satisfaction.Otherwise the true path is a lot of work,it is not for every body aspecially for the talking heads!
akimbo999 4 years ago
why do you talk like that
you should know that the true path IS for everyone because it IS made because of all of us
pgrifon 4 years ago
i agree
stillsearchingstars 4 years ago
Too bad mankind hasn't as of yet surpassed the middle ages in his thinking about the mind. Look at the way we treat our mentally ill? Why it's taking so long for people to see the simple truths of how our minds work is a mystery to me. And I saw him in person already (the blessed guru).
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
how do you know? Can you be so certain that you know what it is?
MASTERASOKA 4 years ago
I had to put my comment in your MASTERASOKA section, it wouldn't fit with 500 words here.
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
Dear Wendy, My comment is not negative toward you. My comment is sincere, such that, what is his suchness, what is yours, what is mine? Can we always be certain and thus fixed in our ideas. I apologize if my response offended you. Om Namah Shivaya.
MASTERASOKA 4 years ago
I saw in the spirit this weekend over the subject, and I think it was not his mistake at all anyway - maybe Learning Light didn't know better and billed him that way. There is a difference between a yogi guru master and an ascended master, and a Swami too. So it's probably not his fault at all but just ignorance on the part of the western world. Bless you!
WendyLynnMartin 4 years ago
very enthralling...
coydog0 4 years ago
the immense joy and intelligence of this Divine Master of kriya yog is so uplifting and inspirational. everyone should meet Him and get initiated
sixwingsram 4 years ago
tell me... is that really important to get initiation? can we just live our lifes? why everybody seeks for initiation?
stasenjka 4 years ago
To have an illumined being give you firsthand contact with the Infinite is experiential. When your kundalini goes up your spine thru your chakras during initiation, then you'll know why. Everyone has the right to live their lives but quality of life seems to be the question. Are people living or are they reacting to the urgings of their particular hunger? What kind of life do you want? Normalcy? If you're content with that then enjoy it.
sixwingsram 4 years ago
thanx :) Do You seek to be superior being or to work on your qualities for other reasons? Do You have good friends who do not practice Kriya?
stasenjka 4 years ago
I seek to change my nature to its original form which is purported to be divine. The reason that I do kriya is to change breath into prana and then prana into conciousness which facilitates a better communion in Spirit. Most of the people I know are not initiates.
sixwingsram 4 years ago
Have You experienced during practice or on initiation that sence of divine power which get into each cell of your body?
stasenjka 4 years ago
Sri Yukteswar said that wisdom is assimilated in the atoms and not in the mind. That's what kriya accesses.
At the initiation, I felt a surge of energy in my spine which felt like I was connected to the turbines at Hoover Dam and my heart opened like the flood gates. During the practice of kriya I feel the texture of the prana become conciousness and I am uplifted.
sixwingsram 4 years ago
Mother Center is in or near Pune so I can visit that place during my next session of studies in Pune with Iyengar-family. I'm gratefull for your answering to my questions! I will restart my morning pranayama :)
stasenjka 4 years ago
When are you going to India? Yogiraj is coming to the U.S. in July for 4 months. What pranyam are you practicing? Have a good trip and what are you studying in Pune? All the best.
sixwingsram 4 years ago
I'm going to India in november. So hope to see Yogiraj in India? I'm trying to do Ujayi, Viloma and Antara Kumbhaka. I practice asanas in Iyengar-yoga institute...
Stay blessed and take care
stasenjka 4 years ago
Yogiraj might be in Europe in November. He usually goes back to India sometime in December. You might want to check the website schedule for periodic updates. Cheers.
HamsaYogi 4 years ago
so... I'm still in India during half December or maybe whole december... I already sent e-mail to website and now waiting for reply - greetings from Russia
stasenjka 4 years ago
clever,wise and simple science and spirituality!sanathan-catholic!
achamthavilthan 5 years ago
Awesome. Thank You. I plan on watching this many times!
"Om Namah Shivaya"
armpitboy562 5 years ago
All things are One thing happing.
gunapie 5 years ago
I had a strange thought..if nothingness is God..I would see that as the pre-existence of the universe..then with all the matter and energy created..I would have to disagree..a comet or a supernova isn't stillness, it's work or energy in motion..even God is restless, Master..I won't fluctuate though, thanks..
johnsmdm 5 years ago
Though the dream may take one to comets and supernovas, the head of the Dreamer never leaves the pillow. The dream is full of ACTION, while the Dreamer, the Divine SELF, lies in perfect BE~ingness. Santi Faith
faithrada 5 years ago
Beautifully said!
HamsaYogi 5 years ago
Very simple. I chew on his words like gum. The words stick to my mind. He really makes me try to understand.
snakefl 5 years ago