Should a pastor continue in ministry if one of his children proves to be an unbeliever?

[jon083166]

to ignore the bible here because some one is liked. there is reasons given to back up gods command that these elders, bishops, or pastors must be the huband of one wife and have believing children. look what if his wife leaves him, can he be a pastor? no! it all has to do with the reputation stated in these same passages. they are held to a higher standard. to many times the bible is disreguarded because a person is liked. hence our churches no longer respect gods word or god

[ryheck82]

Thousands of years ago, to Moses, God spoke these Words; Exodus 33:19 “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” The Apostle Paul sums things up the best; Romans 9:20 "But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"

[5rdx5rd]

@ryheck82 hello my Calvinist brother in Christ, i use those scriptures all the time by the way.

[ryheck82]

Believing that we can know all of God or believing that God SHOULD act a certain way is foolishness. He is God, we are not. He is the only One that can answer your questions.

[chucklingchurros]

tempemonkey2323 and austriarollerblading... All your arguements so far didn't make sense at all... You would understand that, of course, if you had some logic. Please bring me a new argument and redeem yourself...

[tempemonkey2323]

Is it ok for a pastor to continue ministry after he fianlly grew some balls and faced the fact that their was no evidence for god, heaven, hell, sin, angels, satan, demons, miracles, the power of prayer, zombie Jesus, etc..... I wonder how many finally figure this shit out but they cannot find other work so they just kind of half ass it.... You know?

[danielvendramini]

@tempemonkey2323 i like that u guys are making fun of my belief haha... it brings me joy to know that u refer to me as crazy, retarded, insane, childish for believing in Jesus. Im carrying my cross and iv'e been persecuted for my faith and i have lost many friends.. yet i still feel joyfull haha.. i love you 2 and so does God btw the ones that persecute the most later become the strongest christians... look up apostle Paul. God bless

[tempemonkey2323]

@danielvendramini You are saying that you are persecuted because you are xian??? REALLY??? What do you think would happen if an open atheist ran for president or was on trial. Im sorry to inform you, but the facts point toward discrimination and outright disdain toward atheists..... BTW, I do know Paul, and I know that he put some ancient Greek mythology into the Christ myth..... You should check that out... You know, the idea that we need to kill a god man in order to break an evil curse...

[danielvendramini]

@tempemonkey2323 Read the bible first, the whole book..... then come and argue or discuss it with or against me.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini I think it's ridiculously hilarious that Xians still don't grasp the "NO true scholastic fallacy" and think anyone who disagrees with their "interpretation", somehow hasn't read their book. No wonder Christianity is splintered into over 130,000 sects & factions. There's no "true Christians" because everyones a heretic, lol.

2 can play that game.You see, when properly read, the Bible itself is the greatest deconversion tool for abolishing the credibility of Christian myths.

[danielvendramini]

I challenge you to read the bible, if it false and such a great deconversion tool as you say, read it, study it, then come and challenge me. I will listen... Just give it try and see what its about. But no matter what ppl say, true Christians live by faith and faith is the belief in the things which can't be seen. Its illogical to the mind, because the wisdom of God is far greater then mans, he wants ppl to approach him by faith and not logic. Try it dude, read da bible, ask questions and seek.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "I challenge you to read the bible, if it false and such a great deconversion tool as you say, read it, study it, then come and challenge me" I do so enjoy how you assume I haven't done so already. It's because I've read the Bible that I reject it as absurdity.

"But no matter what ppl say, true Christians live by faith and faith is the belief in the things which can't be seen. " Oh, so no matter what is said you'll just ignore it for your preferred wishful thinking anyway.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini ". Its illogical to the mind, because the wisdom of God is far greater then mans, he wants ppl to approach him by faith and not logic. "

Of course, ...god gave people a mind so that he could require it's total circumvention with superstitious illogical mindlessness. It doens't make sense, therefore it must be true. "Brilliant"

"Try it dude, read da bible, ask questions and seek."

Your error is assuming any answers are produced from supernaturalism.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "I challenge you to read the bible, if it false and such a great deconversion tool as you say, read it, study it, then come and challenge me."

At it's core, Christian salvation requires credulous belief that human disobedience brought the specter of death into the world, hence needing divine redemptive salvation.This is a dehumanizing preposterous slander. An odious lie.

So,naturally, the faithful have to IGNORE all pre-human mass-extinciton events to justify their myths

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX I understand where you are coming from, I only hope that God will reveal himself to you in a personal way. I respect your beliefs but i don't agree with them. Faith wouldn't be ignoring but believing even in the midst of things that bring doubt, yes it seems illogical but only because our minds have been shaped to think the way it thinks by society. Keep asking questions, but atleast try seeking God, what is there to lose ? He wants you more than you think... He wants you to seek him

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "I understand where you are coming from," No, clearly you do not.

"I only hope that God will reveal himself...." Ah, so in the end you are an ineffecual vessel for answering with truth.

"Faith wouldn't be ignoring but believing even in the midst of things that bring doubt" Yes, in reality thats called willfull ignorance to retain wishful thinking.

"...atleast try seeking God, what is there to lose ?" Ones credibility, humanity, & firm grasp on reality.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "yes it seems illogical but only because our minds have been shaped to think the way it thinks by society. "

In otherwords, you have to reject the facts of reality to be so brainwashed as to accept illogical myths, fables, and superstitions.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "He wants you more than you think...He wants you to seek him"

How would you know what a god wants, when you can't lend credibity to that dieites existence. What frauds and lies you peddle in.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "I understand where you are coming from...I respect your beliefs but i don't agree with them...Faith wouldn't be ignoring but believing even in the midst of things that bring doubt,"

Truely it seems you do not grasp the totality of what was said to you, moreover you willfully IGNORE factual reality to remain sequestered in DELUSION. Lets try again:

The FACT of mass extinctions PRIOR to humans renders Romans 5:12-16, the justification crux of christian myth, an odious lie.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "Im carrying my cross and iv'e been persecuted for my faith and i have lost many friends.. "

you mistake ridicule for persicution, like a zealotus sycophant. god be less.

[AustriaRollerblading]

That tells you something about how scared my dad is that if he doesn't convert people then he might go to hell. If god is real then we would have proof of god. If there is a god and I am wrong, then whose god is it? Why are christians more scared of hell then anybody else?

[danielvendramini]

@AustriaRollerblading

The reasons some Christians are scared of Hell, because they focus more in it then they do on God.. True Christians do things out of God's love for them and obedience to God not out fear of going to hell. They missed the point. It's heart that God is after not the works.. God wants a man who is humble and will give him his heart.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini So your god wants subservience & obedience. He wants sycophantic slaves devoted to his totalitarian will.

"The reasons some Christians are scared of Hell, because they focus more in it then they do on God"

Just pay no attention to the malevolent ultimatum is claimed to be designed by that same supposedly loving master so that failure to be subservient will be punished? Ignore the extortion and just obey? Really? Thats the master plan?

Slaves to superstition.

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX no, we are slaves to Christ, and about persecution i live in China, we get placed in jail or beat for our faith... iv'e been to India and told to leave the country in a day by muslims because of preaching the gospel. Ridicule is normal and nothing to us hahaha, dying to self and getting physically abused is the persecution im talking about. God still loves ya and so do I...

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "we are slaves to Christ" Slaves have no free will, free meen choose, slaves obey. Again more cognative dissonance from sycophants enslaved to superstitions.

God is still a slanderous myth. Enjoy getting beaten of bronze age fairytales with talking donkeys. :D

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX dude you under estimate faith, relationship, and conviction... not to mention personal experiences and countless stories of victories and encounters with the Holy Spirit, call me a crazy fool and such but i am sticking to God because of faith and his love for me and the only reason you hate the very idea of God is because you've been hurt in the past and you don't want to accept the truth of his divinity... I will pray for you to encounter him in a personal and real way. much love!

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini No, you overestimate the validity of your claims, like all cultists.

"and the only reason you hate the very idea of God is because you've been hurt in the past"

No, I've read the Bible. It's a mytholgoical abomination.

" will pray for you to encounter him in a personal and real way. "

Good luck with your primative mystic chanting & relaitonships with spirits.

Let me know when you prove Baalams talking donkey. I loved Shrek.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini The same god that claims benevolence visits suffering on innocent people of scope & scale that'd embarrass the most ambitious psychopath. Issuing death for imaginary crime of witchcraft, engineering hurricanes, volcanoes, earthquakes.

But that god loves you? Arn't you precious. How callous & obscene. This vision of life has nothing to do with moral accountability; it’s a cult that glorifies a needless bloodthirsty human sacrifice. It’s psychopathic.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini the Bible was written, re-written, and then edited, and then re-edited, and then translated from dead languages, and then re-retranslatedand then re-edited, & then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts out, & then re-edited, & then retranslated, & then given to the pope for him to approve, & re-re-translated, and then re-rewritten, all based on stories that were told orally 30-90 years after they happened to people who didn't know how to write. Ridiculous.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "The only reason you hate the very idea of God is because..."

... the order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite of the Biblical creaton myth.

Also, 1 Corinthians 15:21, which claims the crux of Christian salvation rests on the ignorant & slanderous lie that humans brought death to the world. Paleontology shows a plethora of prehistiric mass extinction events like those that killed Dinosaurs & Neanderthals.

Ur myth is built on inhuman falsehood

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Again, I ask when did the dinosaurs die out? BEFORE or AFTER humanity came into existence?

The Bible would claim after, which is ridiculous.

Reality says otherwise, by a factor of about 165 milliony ears.

your error is truely one of Jurrasic proportions.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "Fable should be taught as fable, myth as myth,& miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truth is horrifying. The mind of a child accepts them & only through great pain, perhaps tragedy, can the child be relieved of them. Men will fight for superstition as quickly as for the living truth even more so since a superstition is intangible, you can’t get at it to refute it but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."~Hypatia of Alexandria

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "God still loves ya and so do I..."

Who would ever desire the love of a mythical genocidal psycopathic blood god & it's zealots?

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX You speak as if you know the truth ? where does this truth come from ? You say there is no evidence of God, but no one has found evidence that he doesn't exist either haha.. I guess my experiences and encounters with God doesn't matter either right ? and not to mention that of thousands of other Christians, i guess im automatically wrong just because i believe in God haha, the big bang is a theory which takes faith to believe in, sounds like a religion aswell which places us as gods.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "You say there is no evidence of God, but no one has found evidence that he doesn't exist either" Thats because thigns that don't exist have no evidence, buddy. Are you drunk or something?

" I guess my experiences and encounters with God doesn't matter either right ? and not to mention that of thousands of other Christians" No more so than billions of Hindu's "experience" w/ Vayu, the Hindu deity of the wind or Hanuman, the Monkey god . Nope.

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX well, this is the last comment.. dude you are smart, a thinker and i pray that you meet God one day. He will change your views and give you his perspective. I am not here to look smart and act cool, because clearly as you can see by my comments that i am not, its not about me at all but about Jesus the Lord and Savior. the father to the fatherless. It is all about God, and God cares about u. I hope you experience and learn the love that He has for you. Good conversations.. take care 

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "Lord and Savior. the father to the fatherless. It is all about God, and God cares about u."

You truely must be some kinfd of deranged narccasist to believe the same god that loves you so much...

... had time to enginer a mudslide that wiped out an orphenage in Brazil.

20 fatherless children die every minute. THINK about that.

You're a coward running from the obviousness of the truth. your god is a fable.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Look how you dodge the reality of paleontology: Life & Death existed before mankind.

So you can pretend you're special in the eyes of a god who turned a blind eye to the less fortunate. Your ego and your brain are totally out of sync with reality. How heartbreakingly sad that you lack the intellectual honesty to fact reality.

That you serve a god incapable of forgivness w/o an innocent blood sacrifice. How savage, barbaric, and primative.

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX Dude, u need some love from God :)... i will pray, i will ask God to reveal himself to you everyday, that you may feel, know and believe with all your heart that he is your Creator and he has a place for you in his kingdom, not just in heaven but also here on earth. You are no less then anyone but you are beautiful and amazing creation of God. You are seeking the truth but let God show you real truth, he wants to mend your heart and any pain that you have suffered, your friend Dan.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "Dude, u need some love from God :)... i will pray, i will ask God to reveal himself to you everyday"

Over 22000 children die every day around the world. That is equivalent to: 1 child dying every 4 seconds; 15 children dying every minute. That means by the time you've read this 10 kids are dead.

Perhaps your god cannot hear their prayers, but you think he'll hear you?

Perhaps you're just too childish to face reality: your god is a fable.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "he wants to mend your heart and any pain that you have suffered"

So he thought slaughtering 15 children a minute would be a good start? Really?

Hmmm interesting theory you've got there.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "You are no less then anyone but you are beautiful and amazing creation of God"

But that orphanage in brazill full of fatherless children had to be burriedi mud...? Really? you think I'm as vain as you are? How tragic for you, to be so full of your own self importance.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Some 18000 children die every day because of hunger and malnutrition and 850 million people go to bed every night with empty stomachs.

Any benevolent father would answer their prayers long before yours. Reality however, is consistant. They will die, and your god will do nothing to stop it. their prayers for rocks to become bread will go unheaded, because your god does not exist.

You need to wake up and smell the corpses.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "I hope you experience and learn the love that He has for you."

I hope you see with your own eyes, the love he had for the orphans burried under tons of mud in brazil.

The same loveyour god has for the women, children, & infants of the Amalek in Samuel 15:3"...do not spare them..." a clear call to "ethnic cleansin" or to put it more bluntly,

genocide.

I hope you see, the god of the Bible is evil, not the loving god that Christians like to portray. That is a fantasy.

[danielvendramini]

firstly that is out of context, rule of reading biblical scripture is to always read the whole chapter and know what is fully happening, secondly blaming God for everything is the worst excuse for not believing in God. Did you forget that Jesus too suffered, and died a horrible death for the atonement of sins. And don't forget that God cares more about the condition of our souls then of the body.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "that is out of context, rule of reading biblical scripture is to always read the whole chapter" Genode is genocide, your contexts are inexcusable and inhuman.

"blaming God for everything is the worst excuse for not believing in God"

Either your god is omnipotent or he is impotent. Make up your mind.

"Did you forget that Jesus too suffered, and died a horrible death for the atonement of sins. "

A deity pretending to die is supposed to capitulate all of human suffering?

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini How broken your mind must be to even make a veiled attempt to justify the atrocity of genocide through your primative supernatural mythology. How dare you?

Disgusting filth. Are you THAT brainwashed, that you so causally brush off genocide becaue of the fable that a ghostlord cares more about human "spirits" than if they're alive or dead???

What  horrid necromancy.

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX dude, i wanna stay chatting but i gotta work... next time. Take care, Jesus still loves you.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "Jesus still loves you" And so does Aphrodite, so, there's that.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini "i guess im automatically wrong just because i believe in God "

Yep. Because gods of any sort are mythological superstitions. Yours is no exception.

[AustriaRollerblading]

If you need a religion then you are weak... especially if you're a christian. I have gotten in religious arguments and fights with my mom and dad so bad that the cops had to come. The christian religion ruined my life as a kid and it feels so good to hate christians and their bullshit religion. My dad told me that if I am not a christian then he and my mom would lose their jobs. That tells you something about how scared my dad is that if he doesn't convert people then he might go to hel

[tempemonkey2323]

@AustriaRollerblading I enjoy your disdain toward xians... Keep up the good work of making them face reason and evidence... Or lack thereof ... I too love ripping on these videos.... Isnt it sad to see a grown man talk about such utter nonsense that a child would not beleive in..... Unless he was indonctrinated from a very young age that is....

[AustriaRollerblading]

@tempemonkey2323 Sickness.  I understand what you mean dude.

[AustriaRollerblading]

I was forced/scared into the christian religion when I was about 7 years old because of all the "awesome rewards" that I would get. I was scared into christianity because I did not want to go to hell and burn up. Right now I am currently 17 years old and I am non-religious. I hate every religion, especially christianity, and I am forced to go to church! There is no god, no resurection, no life after death, and no eternal life. If you need a religion then you are weak... especially i

[AustriaRollerblading]

Yo fuck you, you christian peice of shit! This is exactly why people and myself hate christians. That has nothing to do with "sin" or "disobedience towards god" because sin is not real. How come when something good happens it's always god, but when something bad happens it's "Satan" and "sin"??? My mom and dad are both campus ministers on a college. It's a non-profit organization and they make their living doing that; that's always been their job. I was forced/scared into the chris

[majockus]

Why can't you'all concentrate on the video and truth instead of showing yourselves off as if you have "arrived!" Critique what was said based on what was said! Research those things you are ignorant of and THEN post something substantial instead of regurgitating garbage!

[sweetsweatyfeet]

The outcome couldn't be anymore "perfect". He abandoned the fraudulent belief system of Christianity and took a giant step closer to reality. Year after year, Christianity is losing believers as they embrace reason. Atheism is on the rise significantly over the last 15 years as numbers have significantly increased. If this trend continues (I am hoping) we should see the eventual fall of Christianity and religion in general. This gives me hope for a sane and rational future.

[BrothaMinister]

i dont understand.. was his kids who lived with him NOT BELIEVERS OR UNRULY.. if so if his kids was of age and LIVING WITH HIM AND LIVING IN OPEN SIN and not OBEDIENT maybe he should consider living.. for example.. if he had a daughter who lives with him and UNDER HIS HOUSE IF SHE ENDS UP PREGNANT AND HAS LOOSE MORALS then maybe he should step down.. what was HIS SITUATION.. its weird HE SO DOGMATIC ABOUT DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE, but wasnt when something like this hit home that he falls under

[marcdebaerdemaeker]

Waaw!

[actionong]

Hmmm

[insaner169]

what is it that he says at 2:00 ? i couldnt understand..

[oimontheonion]

@insaner169

he says "if you absolutize that statement then every pastor would have to resign because people become believers, they aren't born believers".

[insaner169]

awesome, thanks!

[EntinludeX]

@insaner169

He said a bunch of nonsense.

In truth if your child becomes a nonbeliever you shoud LISTEN TO THEM.

It means they outgrew primative superstitions and childish mythology

[insaner169]

you rated me down and then gave a ridiculous response? whats wrong with you?

[EntinludeX]

@insaner169

What are you talking about?

Theology is simply activly practiced mythology. Think of itlike a time machine. Every mytholgoy was once an active theology. Todays theology is no differrent.

So, if a pastor's child becomes an unbeliever the pastor should take a few pointers and wise up.

Myths are for kids.

[insaner169]

thats ironic coming from someone who believes in a logical impossibility

[EntinludeX]

@insaner169

While I'm most certain you fail to grasp the meanig of the word "irony", given that the supernatural is a logical impossibility and little more than superstition, go on, explain what is is you think I believe in, which is so ligically impossible. this should be amusing...

[danielvendramini]

@EntinludeX What is illogical is an existence without a creator...

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Nonsense. Your "uncreated creator" is a paradox of nonsense unto itself even before invoking supernaturalism.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Definition of SUPERNATURAL

1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature: attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit); especially: of or relating to god or gods, demigod, spirit, or devil

Definition of MYTHOLOGY

1: an allegorical narrative or body of myths dealing with the gods, demigods, and legendary heroes of a particular people

Obvious supernatural mythology is obvious.

[EntinludeX]

@danielvendramini Whats illogical is the malevolently slanderous supernatural dogma claiming 'the nessecity for human redemption/salvation' by blaming the human race itself for the existence of death in the cosmos, all the while ignoring the plethora of mass-extinction events which preceded our species by eons.

But perhaps that is what you get when your source of "divine wisdom" is little more than the allegorical oral fokelore myths of tribal bronze age middle-eastern goathearders, Shaman.