Purpose without God?

[shadowtiger18]

Your `logic` is invalidated by many Biblical points. Being righteous is not a living death sentence it is a test of faith in which we ignore Satan`s deception and set our hearts on Heaven and not of the things of Earth because it`s easy to worship things of flesh and self and easy to be decieved by false science, I know better than most because I`ve been on both extremes of the spectrum.

[renaudldw88]

Sorry, I got bored watching your video. I guess the point is, religion seems to be selling illusions/delusions to people. The problem is though, most people in this world are "lost". Perhaps they aren't motivated, maybe they weren't taught to think for themselves. Someone should go and interview Bill Gates and ask him what's his purpose without God. I think ultimately, our ancestors have been through a lot to get us here. I think the least we can do is to find out the answer (if there is one).

[renaudldw88]

@renaudldw88 ... and not settle with half baked answers like. God has a purpose, which isn't really an answer at all.

[Hateeeem]

I am sorry but I think that was a poor representation of both sides.

[Uroshnor]

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[niinja2]

it was not the religious people who said that life is meaningless without God it was the nihilists.

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[Troylus2]

I would have found your arguments here more compelling had you used more exclamation points.

[AmericaWakeUp1]

Oh cool I can have an immediate impact on people :D I can make them happy and help out and Im having an impact then when I die I'll know that I've done something good...oh wait I won't cause I'll be dead...so why should I care about other people at all if what your saying is true and their isn't a god or a "higher meaning" then there is no meaning that I can give to life that makes it significant...why should I care about helping anyone except myself while I live...who cares about my "legacy"...

[Troylus2]

@AmericaWakeUp1: who cares about your legacy? Hopefully, you do! It's true that once you are dead you won't care then. But the objective here isn't to find purpose in death - it is to find purpose in life. Working to better the world while you still live is a noble and enriching purpose. And, if there is an afterlife and a just and reasonable god, you won't be any worse off from having done your best. Only if god is an unreasonable tyrant would he punish you for having been a good person.

[baldinovision]

Your hypothetical proposition that if God exists he might in fact reward those who employ reason over those who merely accept the prevailing religion of their culture is such a great point, and one that I have always wanted to make myself, but you beat me to it. It is always refreshing to find others who can eloquently articulate my worldview. Thanks for posting!

[errskin]

if god exists, then life is meaningless since you will live forever once you die, if god doesn't exist, then this life is all you will ever get.

[believerornot]

Its the perfect con!

[MatthewHudghton]

Also find it interesting in the last part of your video how you ascribe an innate value to activities you consider meaningful (the local, contingent, extended thing) however the applying of this innate meaningfulness is nothing more than your own relative kind of "what you think matters" and therefore is a bit self deluded cause with out an absolute context it doesn't actually have any meaning at all, you could ascribe the same meaning to absurd or destructive actives eg. arson or nose picking

[MatthewHudghton]

so if not being grounded in any absolute context, why should people subscribe to this particular view of meaningfulness as it is purely subjective, other than for the reason that "it makes them happy" following on from that doesn't that cut ground from under your feat to disagree with anyone else's view of what is meaningful or what does or does not bring purpose and therefore prevent you from being intellectually honest and non-hypocritical when disagreeing with anyone elses activities&outlook

[Troylus2]

Please see my video "Morality without God" which I believe addresses your concerns with moral relativism. Short answer: Social Instincts + Individual Human Rights together provide a strong foundation from which to build moral guidelines. No God necessary.

[MatthewHudghton]

umm from a Christian perspective i don't think all purpose comes from going to heaven when you die, the culmination and purpose of our lives is not an entirely hedonistic activity, glorifying God while on earth as well as in heaven is what gives life purpose and meaning.

Plus when you state the case about the which religious and pascals wager etc. you sort of speak as if human beings are inherently good and God is obligated to give us a way to go to heaven, what if we're inherently sinful?

[believerornot]

We are not inherently sinful. Sinfulness is a human concept created to be used for control.

We have evolved our moral codes in order to better survive. Religion is a system created by those who want to control. It is designed to bypass evolutionary conditioning through brain washing. It is contrary to evolutionary conditioning to want to die for the glory of another, yet thousands are willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater glory of God.

Religion = mind control. Thats it!

[gijs370]

My problem with these kinds of questions is: WHY DO YOU CARE !?

I mean you are going to die. Why do you care about your legacy? It's not like your going to enjoy it. Your death and gone.

We all are just pointless moving around, interacting with each other, having some laughs, maybe even enjoy parts of it and in the end only to die.

Life is pointless, without purpose.

[believerornot]

Just because life has no purpose does not mean we cannot enjoy it or use it for our own purposes.

[gijs370]

My point is that it does not matter if you enjoy you life or not.

In 100 years you and i will be gone. We can't use our memory's or get any satisfaction from our life after we die..

Your legacy is also without purpose.

[believerornot]

thats not true of everybody. What about the legacy of those thousands of people that made all the discoveries that helped create the world as we know it today. Okay in a few million years they wont matter.. but that still doesn't invalidate the legacy they left us (for good or ill)

Nothing has a deep philosophical purpose.. Thats just a silly human concept.

[MasterofDisaster17]

@gijs370 who cares? it matters to me now. im not going to care when i die

[Mayer200]

Interesting Video.

[immortalmutation]

the purpose is to reproduce in order to keep the natural balance in check, without us, nature would be out of control.

[msolice]

You probably have - judging by your book shelf - but, I would read Neiztche (if i am spelling that right)

I am in debate, and that is a common argument, along with bauldrillard and heidegger (maybe heidegger)

[billjen7]

This was a bunch of crap. Creation agreeing with creation without ever consulting the Creator. 2 Corinthians 10:12 "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, ARE NOT WISE." I will post the truth. check for "Pastor B-Love", soon.

[blaziermissy]

Your video is outstanding and thought-provoking, to say the least. Higher levels of thinking and synthesis of the information is well appreciated by me.

10+

[chanders0]

i dont think you got your "at what cost" argument right

[AYchip]

Brilliant! I like the little irony about Ozymandias' legacy.

Consider yourself subscribed-to.

[skavotajs5]

Good video, I just before watching it posted my questions just about it. I guess they are very usual questions. But still hard with it all.

[ComicsBryce]

thanks for making this video, it's something I have been thinking about way too much lately

[HoboBeatz]

is a human life more valuable than an ant's?

[Mayer200]

Why should it be? Does intelligence give us the right to kill off unintelligent life forms?

[HoboBeatz]

yeah thats what i'm saying. what are the guidelines determining what is permissible to kill and what isn't? furthermore, we seem to presuppose some moral standard when we talk about killing. Why don't we have these discussion when we talk about walking or scratching our head? how is "killing" different from any other verb?

[believerornot]

You are making the assumption that there is such a thing as a right.

Rights are a human concept that can only be enforced by the use of law.

Nothing has rights in nature.

Things just try to survive.. Thats it, there is nothing complicated about it.

[Andrethethird]

Why do we need a purpose? Why isnt it enough that we live just to keep our species alive just like all other species?

[ifmiy]

well man, I'm praying for you to the one true God, that is God the father Jehovah. May the grace of Jesus Jog your mind and soften your heart and open your ears to hear his voice and draw you into relationship with him. You're trying to figure God out, and no man can, thats what makes it faith , the problem is that we have to look past our pride and see that our "reasoning" can be flawed and incorrect. Peace man.

[InsanityManifest]

This is the problem with Christians and most religious people. They don't give their minds ANY credit whatsoever. This is why most of them are sheep, peddling a religion which really offers no benefit in life, and a highly doubtful benefit in death. Their brains are on autopilot with religious brainwashing and thus any reasonable argument falls on deaf ears. I don't know if people like this can ever be woken up. Once you past your 20s, religion is hard to break away from.

[Mayer200]

True even though my family are Atheist, having studied various religions and practiced them, I find it impossible to for example forgo having a relationship with God through Jesus Christ without feeling empty, unhappy and full of additional problems in my life.

[Danmill23]

Excellent thinking again!

[BazzTheBoss]

heaven is invented by people that are scared of death

[ifmiy]

see if you feel that way after you're dead!

[BazzTheBoss]

well that's the point, there is nothing after death.

[Waikoloarain]

Great video. Please make more!

[civisromae]

Great points. Personally, I don't see the need for a purpose. Can't you just live? Regardless of how we got here and where we go, we are where we are; we might as well make the most of it.

[Brainmold]

Excellent.

[JimTL1000R]

Ditto ! I got this vid out of your favorites.

[IShitOnYourGod]

Excellent stuff, Troylus2. An articulate atheist, with interesting, well presented thoughts, who is also a fan of Rush. What could be better? Subscribed. :)

[palindromemc]

YOU RULE!!

You are my GOD, so I guess I'm not atheist!

[Antitheistguy]

As always, Troylus2, well done!

[atheistcheebung]

very thought provoking and interesting.