The Vision Thing - Chomsky v Marr Part 1/3

[ResolutionismTube]

I've never seen this interview before, it's awesome.

Thank you Noam Chomsky, and thank you elstonieo for uploading this.

[DeweyZinnChomskyFisk]

thanks for uploading

[shwwnn]

Chomsky is handsome tho.

[shwwnn]

that's an ugly mother-fucker. Look at that face and tell me white people is not the result of interbreeding w/ neanderthals. No other race has people that look like that.

neanderthals lived in Europe and humans went there and encountered them. Science has confirmed w/ DNA evidence that humans did indeed interbreed w/ them.

[Nekronaut321]

@shwwnn so? hes smarter than you... gotta hurt.

[shwwnn]

@Nekronaut321 No, he's dumber. So are most white people. proves my point.

[Nekronaut321]

@shwwnn nice proof.. argument please?

[shwwnn]

@Nekronaut321 it's obvious. You just need life experience to realize white people are stupid and clumsy compared to people from the east who are more clever, industrious, dexterous...

For most of human history, Europe is backward compared to the east. They'd like to think their recent advancement is due to their smarts. But it's just due to their violence, which they're better at. They gained a lot from robbing their colonies like burglars gaining from robbing a house, temporarily.

[Incognitoification1]

@shwwnn Seems like you're really insecure about the superiority of the white race, rice farmer.

[shwwnn]

@Incognitoification1 seems like you are really blind to the superiority of the eastern race, bitch!

[DeweyZinnChomskyFisk]

@shwwnn ignorant racism...

[Incognitoification1]

@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk Indeed.

[shwwnn]

@Incognitoification1 indeed what? he's talking about you too moron, oh, and ignorant racist

[shwwnn]

@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk no, informed racism.

[DeweyZinnChomskyFisk]

@shwwnn pathetic racist...

[ResolutionismTube]

@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk

Hello there. I just wanted to say that I've read a lot of your comments over the past few weeks, and it's too bad that people don't see things the way you or I do. But, keep up the good work because people will eventually learn--and you are doing a good job of trying to enlighten people. Thanks.

[DeweyZinnChomskyFisk]

@ResolutionismTube thanks. its nice to get a positive response instead of the usual responses i get from people who use alex jones' lingo ("NWO shill," "left-wing gatekeeper," "sheeple").

you probably already know of some of these but you should check them out if you don't: Michael Parenti, Howard Zinn, Cornel West, John Perkins and Naomi Klein.

[ResolutionismTube]

@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk

Thanks, yes I am familiar with all of them, and I am delighted to know that you are as well. :-)

[DeweyZinnChomskyFisk]

@Incognitoification1 ignorant racism...

[Nekronaut321]

@shwwnn you know the way they hold controll over the other countries? collaborators. they manage to controll the media so they can justify even when they themself go to war. and take the germans as an example. what a exellent working culture. discipline and will. and then east..... religion restraining society.( and the west restraining the east.)...

[shwwnn]

@Nekronaut321 Germany has the most industrious of the western cultures. But they're lazy compared to the Japanese/Koreans. West controls other countries w/ pure violence. Collaborators know they'll get it if they don't obey US, example is Sadam. Massive military aid is given to collaborators to keep them in power. independent countries are often threatened w/ violence. Example is US surrounding China and Iran w/ military bases, and the verbal threat of violence toward Iran is constant.

[gamerunknown]

The age of the internet? The age of the superinjunction?

[AndroidPolitician]

To put it nicely, Marr is the biggest pro-power shill in Britian, he gushed over Thatcher and Blair and not even because of their politics, he just loves power.

I'm super glad he he interviewed the antithesis of all that blind love of power.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

Chomsky is delusional. It is just like the journalist asked at the beginning, "How are you on this damn program if you are right?" Most of the views get out there. Why doesn't Chomsky go to North Korea if he things we are censoring. I know longer read or listen to Chomsky. He is a crackpot.

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus Maybe you should read more Chomsky. First, you would understand what he is talking about. He states that the U.S is not the worst of all nations in the world (in terms of the media). Second, you would learn how to spell and articulate yourself in a manner that is not comparable to a 3 year old.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@palynchuk93 I was in Boston once. A woman that I was seeing wanted to go to a speach by this guy named Chomsky. I agreed. I asked Chomsky a question. I asked why did the Soviet Union fail if socialism is good. Chomsky went into this tangent about how the Soviet Union was not socialism but State-Run Communism. I then said to Chomsky that there is Communism, Socialism, Leninism, and Marxism.Isaidthereisalsodoberm­anpincher,beagle,poodle,german­shepeard. adogisadog!!!utrysemanticslike­chomsky

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus If you knew anything about Socialism and basic economic/political philosophy, you would understand that as well. The Soviet Union was not even communism. Marxism incorporates socialism, but it has not been practiced. What you were trying to show was that Capitalism is better because it hasn't failed. That is not true, and you tried to use a bad example of socialism, but you were once again proven wrong. What are you trying to get at? Ithoughtweweretalkingabout themedia.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@palynchuk93 u worri about me spelling and trivial thing like that. i understnad well what chomsky is talkng about he is using ridicule for his own country where he had freedome to talk to the press and he makes money off this but he won't to to live in north korea a country he supposiedly loves n theory but hsi behavior incongruent with his rhetoric so he hypocrite,,,

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus How is North Korea, in an way whatsoever, his ideal state?

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@palynchuk93 Chomsky loves socialism. North Korea best example of socialism in world. Now, please be like your demi-god hero Chomsky and say, "North Korea is not socialism." A dog is a dog, a poodle, a doberman pincher, a german shepard, a beagle are all dogs. Maxism, Leninsim, Troskyism, Communism is all forms of dogs, socialism. Chomsky says we have censorship here in our press. Well why doesn't he go over to a representation of his ideal and see what kind of censorship they have.

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus I will say the North Korea is not socialism. Socialism is an economic theory where the means of production are controlled by the people. The people in North Korea do not own the means of production. They are controlled by the government, and the money made goes straight to the government and not to a redistributing system or towards any sort of social benefit system. How is it socialized at all? For some reason, you are mixing up socialism with authoritarianism.

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus He talks about the problems with his country and the media in his own country. That is not a bad thing. It means he has more respect for his country than you will ever have. You obviously do not understand what he talks about. Go listen to somebody geared towards your intelligence like Glen Beck, Bill O'reilly or Barney.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@palynchuk93 Glen Beck is a fucking idiot along with the rest of the Ayn Rand republican idiots. You have followed a intellectual hook and sinker and been indocrinated by his bullshit which he sells to make money. Chomsky is a intellectual capitalist selling socialism. lol And you got suckered in. The idiots that follow the other side dog eat dog cowboy capitalism are fucked up too. I'm threw with you. Don't drink your bath water.

[palynchuk93]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus "You are indoctrinated because this is not what I believe, ergo you are wrong." You are a child. Next time you want to debate somebody, study a little more and do not get someone else to write half of your arguments. Do you think i couldn't distinguish between one of you writing like brain dead fool and the other presenting equally fallacious arguments, though more articulately? Follow my advice or give up (for the sake people's far more important uses of their time).

[SoberHedgehog]

The title is hilarious. Bush truly was a tool, wasn't he?

[heatherturner34123]

NEVER IMAGINED that one???!!!



[jredbar]

ha. "what about this program?" pretty self deluded.

[MichaelStepkoff]

Chomsky looks cool in this video. I wish I had his good looks.

[MegaLotusEater]

Chomsky = truth

[fiveredpears]

Explaining what the propaganda model is to Andrew Marr is like explaining what water is to a fish.

[TheLoyalOfficer]

The US did not INVADE South Vietnam. We were called in by the South Vietnamese to fight their war for them.

[ladormilona]

@TheLoyalOfficer Just like we were called in by the Iraqis to liberate them, right?

[TheLoyalOfficer]

@ladormilona Two totally different situations.

[Bremerxxxx]

"I'm sure you believe everything you're saying, but if you believed something differently, you wouldn't be here."

Chomsky's bad ass.

[fiveredpears]

Marr can't grasp what chomsky is telling him. He's not self censoring, he's not capable of forming a dissident thought.

[laudrup90]

@KnwThyslf .no you wouldnt.Your jsut a pussy on the internet acting hard and what not.

[slovakmath]

it is an amazing that a human being in the position of Marr could possibly be so absurdly dim with almost no capacity of critical thinking. the first question is enough to convince me of this, all the rest simply solidifies my opinion of him

[FootDanielLight]

Great interview, even if the reporter disagrees with Chomsky he respects him, more than you can say for some others

[fullspeccydominance]

im not so sure it was so much chomsky v marr, any more than you would describe a boxing match between myself and mike tyson as a fair fight. watch the interview, and i use the term loosely, that marr conducted with obama; the only way he could have been any further up his arse was if he'd literally performed a sex act. it was a pathetic and sickening spectacle. marr is a journalistic prostitute, well, i'm not sure about the journalistic part.

[ropelee]

Andrew is a fantastic example of Chomsky's model - he has swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker ...

[jagara1]

7:10 "How can you know that I am self censoring?"

Marr got a Judge to issue a court order to ban any other journalisty on publishing an affair he had outside of marriage - Marr is not worthy of interviewing Chomsky!

[RasmusU]

Marr is a complete automaton. He got destroyed in every single point he brought up. Chomskys ability to see through propaganda and fabrication is unparalleled.

[Frutoses]

Here Chomsky is agreeing with Foucault, for those who have seen his debate with Michel Foucault. I love both of them.

[mendali]

7:18 OK so I've watched this interview several times in the last couple years, trying to figure out what Chomsky means by this. I still don't know. "If you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting." Huh?

[Dbmwjo]

@mendali He's saying journalists with dissident views toward the status quo interpretation of news analysis are marginalized and pushed out of the popular media sphere. So if Andrew Marr was on of these dissidents, he wouldn't make it in the journalism biz long enough to have the news media backing needed in order to be a successful journalist who interviews prominent figures and whatnot.

[desu76]

@mendali Like he said previously: people who think differently are discarded and undesirable.

[garyjamesmerrill]

@mendali - Chomsky means if Marr did NOT agree with elite views he would never be a senior BBC journalist. It has evidently never even crossed Marr's mind that the British media might be doing a poor job in representing a diversity of views. Lots of academic research - including Chomsky's - has demonstrated time and time again that the media is NOT 'liberal'. Case in point - all four of the BBC's top economics/business journos did PPE at Oxford... not an active trade unionist among them...

[johnmacward]

@garyjamesmerrill Exactly, from a crude point of view all Marr knows is he's getting paid, probably handsomely, for doing things the way he has been doing them. Why would he argue with a good thing like that. He can continue travelling the world, eating fine food, enhancing his education, buying the things he wants and leave with a good pension. However, lots of us see - and can't accept.

[watayapupuya]

@mendali What the Hell is it that you cannot understand ?

How much simpler could it be stated?

Try to think just a little bit.

[mendali]

@watayapupuya Oh come on, there's no need to be so impatient with a stranger on the internet. And you didn't even answer my question! Sheesh.

[WastedTourist]

It always amazes me the way Chomsky can cite every historical fact, every statistic, every academic study he needs to prove his point off the top of his head.

[VowOneWisdom]

These BBC interviewers are all obviously biased and with hidden motives, their perfidious attempt at cornering these brilliant thoughts leave both parties incredible embarrassed . Obscenely close minded and strictly mainstream right wing thought limit the entire scope of conversation and in a way systematically impose the views the interviewer claims as correct.

[watayapupuya]

@VowOneWisdom

Just imagine:Millions of Americans get everything they know from " FOX NEWS" !!!!!!!!!!!

(also abc,msnbc,cnn,etc. are close behind)

[VowOneWisdom]

@watayapupuya Throughout human history is has been the political, educational and religious authorities who have governed our view of reality, forming in our minds their truth about reality. Question authority and use the sea of information available to inform ourselves about what is really happening around us.

[thailegend]

schooled!

[brancron]

stick to linguistics, you saddle-goose

[thesleevelesstease]

I like when he grows his hair out.



[DJSpinoza]

Thought this was funny, from Wikipedia .... was educated in Scotland at the High School of Dundee, Craigflower School and at Loretto, an independent school in Musselburgh, East Lothian. He went on to study English at Trinity Hall, Cambridge. He was once a member of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory. At Cambridge, Marr says he was a "raving leftie", and he acquired the nickname 'Red Andy'."

[BushidoCode72]

Chomsky can live anywhere he wants. WHy does he live in US? Why did he take 100,000 from Pentagon while working for MIT? Why does his brother live in multimillion dollar home? WHere does Chomsky donate money because he makes millions (upgrading his fee for speeches post 9/11)? He is a fake and a capitalist. But brainwashed morons don't see it.

[thesleevelesstease]

@BushidoCode72 go on...

I'm certain you have evidence for all of this?

[marx102]

@BushidoCode72

Because he is an american and was born here. This is his country as well.

He took money from MIT in order to make a living.

What his brother owns is irrelevant.

Im not sure where he donates his money.

[CrustVegan]

@BushidoCode72 I can't see how he's a capitalist. The traditional definition of a capitalist is a person who owns a means of production, like a factory etcetera. In our capitalist structure a owner of a newspaper, a pr-firm etcetera would also be seen as a capitalist.

The fact that Chomsky takes money for speeches doesn't make him less of a socialist. He's not profiting by the labour of others you know.

I don't know where Chomsky donates money, and I doubt you do. 

[solidarity2205]

what they call propaganda in communism becomes public relations in capitalism.

[Dymdez]

Chomsky ftw, ive never heard a word out of his mouth that didnt humble me......

[freakespionage]

chomsky is badass

[Scriptavolant]

Marr goes to school..

[kiasmus]

Chomsky is so superior to all his debaters that you always know how the story will end. And it seems that he has a penchant to crash snotty, self-satisfied english journalists like this fellow or that Sackur clown. The only time I saw him in trouble was during his debate with Foucault -partially available on youtube-. For those interested, by the way, there's a book with the full transcription of the Chomsky-Foucault discussion, and I assure you that debates don't get much better than that.

[DJSpinoza]

@kiasmus Thanks for this, do you have a full reference for the text in question?

[kiasmus]

Go to chomsky.info, click the "Debates" tag, then click "Human Nature: Justice versus Power". I wanted to post the full link but it seems it is not allowed to do that. Enjoy it!

[DJSpinoza]

@kiasmus Thank you!

[whereismybailouttv]

Is this a BBC production? Or, is it Marr's production company supplying it to the BBC?

[yingleberry]

It's amazing, Chomsky's words contain so much power and yet he speaks so softly.

[fgjk234]

He should have said to Marr: 'You're a moron and I'll tell you why. In fact, I'll even give you references...'

[smilingasteroid]

@fgjk234 lol man, nice

[AdamDLDixon]

chomsky pwnin noobs

[GOLUCKY222]

Marr just doesnt get it.

[andyx1205]

It seems like Chomsky hit his button at 7:00 when the reporter snapped lol. It's like telling a child when he grows up that "you know, child, I lied, Santa doesn't exist."

[GothemcityX]

Did Chomsky just completely & POLITELY dissemble this obedient tool in front of his face w/o this idiot even having a clue what's going on? Then he goes on to ask Chomsky how do you know I'm self-centered & is left dumbfounded at such a simple remark.

[henrythesteinberg]

7:19

Wow. Look at Marr open his mouth to respond, then quickly change gears.

[NartSaga]

Good catch!

That momentary pause there with an open mouth... :O

[arzoyan]

Capitalism- the wage slavery of immense humanity through the politically manipulated market mechanism for the abstract process of accumulation and concentration of capital in the hands of a few - is an imposition of perpetual war,poverty,exploitation,envio­rnmental destruction, distortions and deceptions of our true potentials and possibilities. We need to transcend this anti-human system for a world of cooperation for our common well being, A democratic movement of no leaders no followers ....

[clownfeet246]

what an intense intellectual dual!

[Sid8800]

It's worring that so many clever people fall for Noam's slight of hands.

[sponsoredwalk1]

Do you al see this? Chomsky has pretty much said to the poor journalist;

"You believe something liberal and challenging yes and I'm sure you believe every word of what you're saying, but if you were any more radical you would not be sitting where you are today...."

So much for Marr's notion of challenging and investigative journalism.

But it does stand to rationale

[TheLeftLibertarian]

I havent seen this video. Thank you for the upload!

[wojtek0000]

9:50 PWNage

[qazw213]

The man seemed to look like Einstein!

[andyx1205]

@qazw213 well he is following einstein's political beliefs and what-not. in school i was taught about how einstein was the greatest physicist of the 20th century and what-not, which he arguably was, but i was never taught about einstein's political beliefs which were very left wing, anti-authoritarian, and anti-war. i was never taught that einstein was a socialist (an anti-stalin socialist). the education system is completely bullshit

[mdoob11]

Chomsky would say their names if Marr asked. It isn't intellectual sophistry, it's the way he's used to communicating with people because they aren't familiar with the names and they'll convolute his point.

[bullbunnies]

go sohpistrize yourself

[nigerlover18]

Anyone who agrees with Chomsky is the "best" at whatever they do; the "best" journalists, "leading" scholars, etc. I never hear anyone else agree with him on that, though

[PatrickWJ]

Well, you should follow up on his references, those people he refers to as "leading" or the "best." Two people he refers to frequently are Robert Dahl and Thomas Ferguson. Read their works, they stand out as exceptional and critical scholars.

[nigerlover18]

Yes, Yes, I've read 'Polyarchy,' 'An Introduction To Democratic Theory' and the 'Golden Rule,' but I still think it's questionable whether all the other people Chomsky quotes are the 'best' at whatever they do. Literally every person is referred to as the best, and in this case he doesn't even mention their names.

[PatrickWJ]

I read as much of Golden Rule as possible, it was thick. I agree with you, he doesn't mention their names but do you believe he's protecting their identity or trying to corner Marr? He may not mention names but I don't think it in any way invalidates his argument. Also, how do you feel about Chomsky's interpretation of Polyarchy vs. Dahl's actual description of it in his book? I don't think they're the same.

[nigerlover18]

I don't blame you on the Golden Rule, half of this stuff I've had to treat as required study just to finish it (even though it's supposed to be my leisurely reading LOL). Absorbing as much of it as possible is worth the work in the end. Regarding Polyarchy, Chomsky characterizes it differently than the original author. I don't want to see like a hater, because I've learned a lot from Chomsky. But no one is infallible. Chomsky is just too smart to let anyone see where he is very probably wrong.

[Staubdumm]

...and Robert Fisk. He is definatly one of the best and the quote "western media is a shame" is probably of him.

[jhille85]

Robert is the best!

[Staubdumm]

When it comes to "best journalists", I am sure he refers to people like John Fisk, who really has written history. Fisk for example regards the western media as a shame.

[CaptainBluebear08]

The sound levels are way to low, elstonieo. And that's a pity, since it is very important what is being said.

[wungabunga]

Marr: So you're calling me a little dickhead then?

Chomsky: I ,er....

[donkey69donkey69]

love ya noam.

[BeholdZeus]

Poor Mr. Marr. He just dosen't seem to get it.

[gratex]

capitalism does give freedom to millions! millions out of billions.

[Energyium]

7:10

lol

Chomsky turned ON every single neuron in Marr's brain.

lol

[PatrickWJ]

he did the best thing he could do...change the subject

[hikupoopoo]

propaganda is to a democracy as violence is to a dictatorship

[StarfishBingo]

@hikupoopoo

@Marly61

@solidarity2205

@fgjk234

@Dymdez

@freakespionage

@Scriptavolant

@smilingasteroid

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[josephstra]

educate-yourself org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26­sep05 shtml

[nickyfann]

In a way Marr himself proves Chomsky's point.

Marr would adamantly insist that he is not self-censoring as a journalist.

He also almost ridicules Chomsky's position, implying that he's a conspiracy theorist, when he obviously is not.

Marr just happens to be someone who would ultimately defend the US/UCK

position in the "war", or at least be moderately sympathetic to it.

So he has to disagree with Chomsky, and deprecate him editorially otherwise it would imply he was a victim of propaganda.

[DFORCE1969]

Marr is a perfect example of the type of spineless purveyor of manufactured consent within the media that Chomsky discusses;

If you can't be a shining example be a terrible warning!

To be fair he's no worse than most of the turds who front the BBc's propoblanda

"News" output.

[fctchk]

@DFORCE1969 If the BBC is fronted by turds, goodness gracious, what, then, is the US media fronted by?

[adeadlysniper]

Amazing memory for somebody who is 79 years old.

[sxmadrid]

No way would 100% of a 'free press' be willing to say US attacked Vietnam, nor that they massacred in Iraq for oil and strategic advantage. Too many people are hooked up on the ol' godly law about not killing people, esp for personal benefit. So, via the press, we spread a (barely) plausible cover story, for moral comfort and as a code by which to dicsuss empirical skullduggery.

[Quietlydoesit]

I know this 'journalist' very well. He is of course a Brit and he is self serving and smug in his certitude like so many BBC journo's. Noam nails this boy and he nails him good but I have to tell you all that this guy is still doing his 'reporting' decades after this interview should have buried him.

[ChocolateExplosion]

andrew marr's the best reporter working in the UK mainstream media

[NathanZackery]

That doesn't say much for the UK's mainstream media. Didn't you see the report Marr did for the BBC praising Tony Blair for the Iraq war?

[ChocolateExplosion]

i personally agree with everything Chomsky says... but that doesnt take away from the fact that Marr is the best journalist the BBC has had in living memory.

[dragonlee90]

Many are better than Marr. Andrew Neil, Jeremy Paxman, Peter Sissons, John Sergeant. And Chomsky, in the words of the great Joan Rivers, ''Is a shit.'' An anarchist is a moron. Anarchism is a gift to the rich. It is the rich who can afford private armies, can afford to buy up all the land and keep the poor subjugated.  Capitalism on the other hand gives freedom to billions to pursue their own goals.

[ChocolateExplosion]

andrew neil???? what? he's the biggest joke going.

[dragonlee90]

Andrew Neil is made to look soft and cuddly now, but he wasn't aloud on Newsnight because he was too tough.

[ChocolateExplosion]

the guy's a total muppet.

[Laivasse]

I like Marr, but tbh I think Andrew Neil would have handled this interview better than Marr.

[Cosbibi]

Get a clue on the fundamental principles of social-libertarianism. The anarchist system Chomsky proposes wouldn't have anything to do with the things you just described. I suggest you read some documentation about anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil war. Cause that's as close as it gets to Chomsky's view of anarchism.

[dragonlee90]

He's a closet capitalist pure and simple. Anarchism is a right wing ideology, not a left wing ideology. I have no problem with capitalism. I have a problem with capitalists posing as socialists. This man has criticised intellectual property rights, yet you have to pay to download his speeches. This man criticises trust funds and such, but has set up one for his daughter. A hypocrite is not intelligent. He's just a hypocrite.

[Cosbibi]

The fuck do you want him to do? Live on a mountain in Peru in his own anarchistic world. That doesn't seem very productive.

[mdoob11]

You have no clue what you're talking about... why the confidence? I find that humorous.

Anarchism, just like libertarianism, has always had an innate socialist (left wing) connotation. Only in the US are these terms misconceived to such an extent.

Literally 90%+ of his speeches are available for free. Others just haven't been circulated, though this has nothing to do with Chomsky.

He gives innumerable talks for free, and is booked years in advance. Yes, how capitalistic... Chomsly = virtue

[sxmadrid]

It's a worrying fact if it's true.

[Marly61]

Chomsky is so right about the educational system,in college I raise many left of left questions in economics and I was always dismissed, i would love to sue my college for breach of contract, i am rereading the text and the propaganda it them is incredible

[westphalianprinz]

Same in political science. Economics is horrible! My senior thesis in undergrad was on Hugo Chavez. I received honors on that thesis. Then I came to grad school, and everyone believe US propaganda about Chavez. Everyone, except the realists, who are more like war criminals, accepts that the US policy is genuinely well-intentioned. It's all poppycock!

[Marly61]

Thanks for your comment West. I have been reading french economics textbooks to relearn somethings because I want to go to grad school. However, to a lesser extent, I am experiencing the same Neoliberal dogma. For example, wages for the average American have been dropping for 20 or 30 years now and the french textbook blamed it on "supply and demand", not the real cause Neoliberalism. I am so proud of the people in Central and South America for taking their stance against Neoliberalism.

[fctchk]

I recommend you listen to Chavez' bloviations in the original spanish. The buffoonery entertains the content saddens.