There's an enourmous number of children in the USA who need adoptive parents, only they aren't cute white babies.They 're children, many with multiple health/developmental problems.Since you're so concerned about unwanted children,I've no doubt you've adopted many of those children. Good for you.
Where is this clinic? i need to bring my gf cuz that bitch for some reason wanted to get pregnant and it's all her fault.she's gonna ruin my life with that thing inside her so fuck it lets just throw it away.honestly it's prolly better off that way.
lmao im pro-choice and the first part was hilarious. (But please.. Don't save the fetuses/babies/unborn children, save the living, breathing, suffering animals!)
@mylittlebraincelI Would you send me your email address, to my inbox? I can show a disturbing link between a programme, from the Early 20th century, calle Eugenics, to the people who are promoting contraceptive pills. Actual historical facts!
@hawkeye125646 No thanks, my email is private and I am aware of history already. What does it have to do with this stupid video anyway? This guy thinks that women are so stupid that once they have an abortion, they a they will go out an do it again right away. It's so stupid that he embarrasses himself
@mylittlebraincelI It is not about this video. I was hoping that I could give you the information, privately, so that you can review it. An example of this is about who is in charge, scientifically, about contraception and eugenics today. The person's name is Rajendra Pachauri. He is the LEADING ahem... scientist of this global warming senario. If you look into his background, he is only a RailRoad Engineer. He is the one you are following. That is one fact I have access too!
@mylittlebraincelI Your very welcome.. India over Pachauri’s “glaciergate”. It is making headlines and the people there are quite angry, because they’ve been led to believe that their Himalayan water supply was seriously threatened in the not too distant future (2035) as reported in the IPCC AR4, and now they find out it’s a bogus, and that a Pachauri peer now specifically admits the 2035 date was known to be false, and used anyway to scare policymakers into action. May I send it to your inbox?
@hawkeye125646 I didn't say I wanted the info, YOU said I WAS FOLLOWING this guy. Seems a little silly, that you were telling me that I WAS FOLLOWING somebody. This video is the stupidest piece of garbage.
@mylittlebraincelI Well... You support Obama's abortion policy. The policy was engineered by Rajendra. Rajendra, is a railroad engineer, who has no scientific background. He is the head of the ICCP. So, yes you are following someone who has no scientific knowledge. That is why I am saying that you are following him.
@hawkeye125646 I support Roe v. Wade. Supreme Court Decision of 1973. Obama was 12 years old at the time. Does the "Prolife guy" have MORE scientific knowledge? He says that babies grow in a woman's STOMACH!!! He's not even smarter than a 5th grader!!
@mylittlebraincelI The Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations' drastic depopulation program. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its
corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of
Nazi Germany. I will be showing the whole history of Eugenics, and it's link to the so called Global warming of today.
@mylittlebraincelI Again, would you like me to send this, plus hundreds of hours of historical and scientific data, showing different links and their corroborated testimonies? Like I said, I have a lot of information. I will be giving a presentation, in a couple of weeks, here on youtube..
@hawkeye125646 I do not look for reliable sources of information on YOUTUBE. But if you are making a presentation, I'll wait the couple of weeks. OK, sweetheart. I sure hope it is better than this video. Promise me you will try a bit harder than the PRO-life guy and not insult the intelligence of the viewer.
@mylittlebraincelI Do you know what happens to women, afterward, when committing abortions? Do you know what history, science and culture teaches us about the consequences of choosing abortion? Read these links of doctors: David C Reardon Is a Ph. D who has a site called abortionfacts. Dr Barry Garfinkel has clinicquotes. There are scientists and doctors, who have found out the result of comitting abortion. Check the information out! Thank you!
@mylittlebraincelI Ok... Point taken... Still... Take a look at what happens, afterward, to women, who have an abortion. Scientists, and doctors have said that they are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, than if they have the beautiful child. In addition, if they do not kill themselves, they are also more likely to have breast cancer, mood swings, and anxiety attacks, just for starters. It gets worse afterward.. Read what Doctors and scientists say about it.
@mylittlebraincelI Not me. Scientists, doctors, and nurses, say it. I am just a messenger I look at both sides of the coin. I've been looking at different scientists, doctors and nurses, and their studies, right from the Roe vs Wade decision to today's. I use logic and research as my foundation for my opinion. I am also a part of an organization called BirthRight. We provide homes, food and clothing for women who have unwanted pregnancies. We also have councillers, who take them through.
@mylittlebraincelI Are you still on the mind set of being emotional on this subject? I did not say it would CURE. That is why I am part of the organization. We help women. We are the ones, who take the lady, and the baby straight through, from first stages, to 3 months afterward. We are the ones who are there for the woman and the child. RIGHT STRIAGHT THROUGH!
@mylittlebraincelI Again, are you certain of that. I've been studying this for over 10 years now. I can give you scientists, nurses and doctors, who have been studying. Again, are you certain? Have you looked at both sides, logically? Have you read studies from David C Reardon, Finland's National Research and Development Center for Welfare and Health, National Cancer Institute, Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., F.A.C.S, to name a few? I could go on and on. if you want.
Tax-payer spending (per DAY) for abortion is around $200, 000. As a tax-payer, how is it not my business? The guy who said "kill the children save the food" is probably overweight, unemployed, and mooching off of his mother's retirement fund. It's amazing how many stone hearts you can uncover or run across when it comes to the issue of abortion. I'd rather see a hungry child fed than an innocent child dead. Spend my tax-dollars on the food, Obama.
@caitiebugsmom05 Are you seriously complaining about the cost of abortions? Do you know how much more it costs us to pay for a human life? As a tax payer, how is it not my business that I'm paying more for people's kids than many of them pay themselves? People sitting on welfare having 5 or more kids, and what are they teaching those kids? Why attack women for making responsible, though difficult, choices? You'd rather watch a billion people starve to death than prevent more births? That's sick.
@loathedandabhorred Actually about 45% of people on foodstamps have one child, and around 30% have 2. As a tax payer myself, I'd rather see my money go towards FEEDING kids, not killing them. You seem like you think you have a lot to say but you need to close your mouth before more bullshit falls out of it.
@caitiebugsmom05 I suppose you believe you can feed millions of unwanted kids? Stop fooling yourself, you can't save the world. In this day and age it costs over $100,000 to raise a child for 18 years. Do you know how many unwanted kids can be prevented with that? Why should children have to suffer? These idiot pro-lifers seem to think it's fine to place newborns in abusive homes, how is that ever a good thing? Once they're born, everyone turns a blind eye..
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i don't know if it is expedient to be so hot about a woman being legally allowed to determine her reproductive perogatives. it has always been this way in some form or another; in most cases, just not legal. im not knocking anyones passion to the contrary because everyone should have a passion; this is what life is about...good luck on your journey to have abortions illegalized.
ok.... tell me about the medical benefits that Christianity provides (other than false happiness, intolerance to both race and sexuality, and the ever so distant after life)
Christianty promotes clean living which promotes mental and physical health, doesn't take rocket science. It is neither racist or intolerant of sex within the union of marriage, which by the way promotes health also. Monogamy keeps us free from sexual disease and strengthens our marriages and families. The only intolerance is for sin, which simply chooses behaving right instead of wrong. Christ promotes living right and in peace with each other. The afterlife may not be so distant,
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im sure im not the only one with a peas worth of history that will not agree with what you said about christianity. utopian fantasies will not help your cause but being realistic and objective will definitely get you places...
In the intolerant minds of some unbelievers, your're right it probably wont help. But the 'moral' majority is the majority no less, and if abortion went up for a national vote, it would be abolished. You might be shocked to learn that many self proclaimed atheists are pro-life, also many non-christians. You arguement that this battle is waged by christians will not help your cause.
@iprazhm Statistically it is Catholics running the show on the abortion tables (last I heard). My brother, an atheist, is also pro-life. You are right. It's not just Christians.
@iprazhm OK, Protestants... Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
Here's the thing abortion is a hot button issue and a "debate" on youtube isn't going to solve it. Abortion was started so that doctors could make money, that's why. It was also founded on a lie. Jane McCurey "Roe" said she was raped. After getting the abortion she went on record saying she was never raped. It was founded on a lie, and this woman is heralded as a womens/civil rights activist as a revolutionary. She's nothing more than a liar! It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right.
The only reason she didn't have the abortion is because it took so long for the courts to make the decision. Sorry I meant to say after getting the right to abortion, but I got in a hurry. So I'm sorry. You haven't ever messed up while typing something and forgot to put words into a sentence?
heh, that was a good, funny video until the commercial ended.
why is it so often men who are so ape-sh*t about whats basically a medical procedure for women? they have that right. But hey, I'm also for castrating sex offenders. You, sir, could use a nice dose of salt peter. theres some responsible preemptive medicine for avoiding an abortion.
Thanks for proving to everyone exactly what they were thinking of you in the first place. You are a coward, an idiot and self centered to the point of murder. Too bad we can't see your real name and normal folks could know to stay away from you, keep their children away from you because you are a psychotic jerk.
wow, not to offend you but if you are trying to be like Billy Mays in the beginning then please put a warning so people don't get their eardrums blown out. Thanks for posting a video about abortion =^.^=
whats really funny green is you give crap out and cant handle it back, ingonroence eh? lol, and im gonna treat you the ways you treat people and life it self :)
Read your posts...if my goal was to show your ignorance...you have handled yourself.
The same mind that developed those thoughts you posted to me, is the same mind that you use to make decisions on issues like abortion. I dont want to hurt your feelings, but you need an education.
I am more than happy to debate you on your side of this argument, but It is becoming evident that you dont have an argument...if you do, then post why you believe abortion is wrong...
im educated enough in what i beleve in, your the same person who attacked my newborn on my page, do you not think that is ignorent, coz its low that you have to sink that low, puts you across as a troll!! my point is sex ed, and better treatment and proper choices, abortion aint a very good one!! and im sure there a few girls who regret it out there but they havint been given better support and/or advice, yes, in this case your the ignornet one dude :)
We gotta pray for these folks Gerard. They are so blind, only God can reach their humanity. How miserable it must be to hate the promice of life so much, that you advocate it's destruction. I have to wonder what happened along the way to harden their hearts so completely. Goodnite my comrade at arms. God bless you and yours, especially those resting in the womb.
There are no fallicies...I love...Thats all there is to it...I love people....Anybody who loves could not kill a baby....I love the unborn children...my heart wrenches everytime I think about some evil hearted abortionist throwing a newly aborted baby into a cold empty bucket...The bucket is cold & empty like your heart...Good night
I'm growing bored. Emotional arguments, laughable attempts at analogy, rampant ad hominem attacks...these "tactics" are why not many people respect the anti-choice movement.
14th Amendment requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. 'All people' includes babys, born and unborn. The majority of Americans know this to be true. Put it up to a vote. It is double murder to kill a pregnant woman. The law considers the fetus to be a viable 'person' under this law, it is impossible to not consider it a viable person in abortion. The two cannot be in opposition, and one day they won't. Both will one day be illegal.
That Amendment starts with "All persons born or naturalized in the US, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the US and the state wherein they reside".
The Amendment was proposed to protect the rights of African-American males equal to their white counterparts.
Funny you should quote an Amendment that came about at the end of slavery while you simultaneously advocate the slavery of millions, to the state through forced pregnancy. :) Nah...I think they'll both stay illegal.
What it boils down to, after all the bs about your pretense of killing babies because you care for them, the truth is that you advocate SOLEY for the convenience of an irresponcible woman.
I do believe that our forefathers would have added a clause in the constitution to prevent abortion if at all they would have imagined that the matter would come up in the future
just asking, do you not think that reprodoctive choice should be birth control and not abortion? and that abortion should be kept for extreme cases? just wondering
I think it is the individual who chooses when to reproduce, not the state or church. Birth control is easier and more affordable, so naturally that's preferred.
The woman has ALL the CHOICES. She chooses to risk casual sex with a man, during her ovulation, allow his sperm inside her body, fertilize her egg . ALL HER CHOICE. Once that egg is fertilized, it is no longer her egg but a separate human being that has it's own separate DNA, and exclusive fingerprints. Test tube babys are fertilized outside the womb, proving they are separate entitys. The mother's uterus becomes the hotel with staff to lodge, feed and keep baby warm. Now, murder isnt a choice.
Most all abortions are for convenience. Most all married couples who get pregnant, have their children. Most all unwanted babies are to women who aren't married and have no intention of marrying the man who impregnanted them. The baby is a separate human being who needs it's mother for protection and nurishment, much like it does when born. Anyone who proclaims a human infant worthy of being dismembered or disolved has a few marbles loose. You are an idiot.
Two people can share a kidney, actually sharing flesh, yet they are two separate people. Sharing blood, organs, skin does'nt make you 'one'. Even conjoined twins are two separate individuals, and most are much more 'joined' as one than a baby floating freely in a mother's womb, held only by an umbilical cord. You are a lot of things, but I don't believe 'sorry' is one of them.
Two individuals "sharing" organs is entirely removed from one organism being completely physiologically dependent on the organs of another, which is a PARASITE. Not at all analogous. Anything else?
Again, for the slow ones, PARASITE: Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of it's host. A baby in the womb gives, comfort, eager anticipation, feelings of well being and hope for the future. Its an enhancement to the expectant mother. No parasite on earth grows into a human being. That alone gives all the reason needed to protect the unborn with any means possible. You are indeed a slow learner.
Excuse me while a cry a river....Women are only 'trapped' for 9 months if all goes well. Then if they don't want their child there are thousands of couples waiting to adopt and love these children. Not only does abortion stop a beating heart, it deprives a loving stable couple of knowing the joy only a parent can know. You are beyond comprehension. You talk of murdering an innocent healthy human child like it's a used tissue. Are you vegan, animal rights fanatic, Pro-deathers usually are.
Children given up for adoption go into a horrible state care system. There is a SHORTAGE of would-be adoptive parents. And if there weren't, it wouldn't be pregnant women's job to pop out babies for them. The fact that you'd subsidize women's bodies to state ownership for even a moment betrays your obscene lack of morality. I'm a utilitarian, which means I consistently oppose suffering and actions which cause them. How many children have you adopted, by the way?
You obviously don't know the difference between adoption and foster care. It is a woman's job to not get pregnant. It isn't in the water or breathed in the air. A woman has to allow a man to ejaculate sperm inside her, when she is ovulating no less. It is HER job to not get pregnant if she doen't want to carry a child for nine months. She is in complete control over NOT getting pregnant. But once she is, it is no longer HER EGG she carries, but a separate human being. It is too late.
Yeah I know about the politics of social work training. I know students have to sign agreement to believe and express liberalism or they dont get their degree. Your job title doesn't entitle you to any greater respect than any other. It is your content of character that garners respect and unfortunately your lack of which garners no respect from me or any pro-lifer worthy of that title. You are sickening, to say the least. A liar and a propogandist. It doesn't matter, in the end you will not win
Being pregnant doesn't make her 'owned by the state', you are not just an idiot, but a complete idiot, and a liar. You are an acitvist whose job it is to promote a certain agenda even if it means you have to spread rumors and lies to do it, NOT to ever actually help anyone. Asking me 'how many children I have adopted.." is a moronic question. I was able to have my own thank you, but hundreds of thousands can't. You opposes suffering of animals but not babies, you are mentally ill.
sorry, but my body is not a baby making factory for childless people...there's are millions children already out there that need your/their help...you/ they can go adopt them.
i have a right not to be pregnant, when i don't want to be pregnant and have all the unprotected sex i want.
my body carrying the embryo and it's MY choice to have an abortion.
Well then, keep your legs shut or take precautions if you wanna fool around. No one is forcing you to let a man inject his sperm inside you and fertiliizing your egg, WHILE you are ovulating. You have a right to stop these things from occuring. BUT if you CHOOSE to let these things occur, then YOU CHOSE to get pregnant and you no longer have a choice to kill the evidence of your stupidity. It is no longer YOUR EGG but a separate human being and murdering it is not a choice.
who are you to legislate my body? i decide when to open and close my legs not you, so lets stop pretending you have real power over people when you don't.
i still have a civil and moral right to an abortion, regardless of your opinion because if i did wanted an abortion...there's nothing you can do to stop me or any woman.
whhhhaaaa stop bitching about something you have not control over and a woman have a civil right to decide what lives inside her own body.
No one will stop a murder either. cause that person made a decision to murder.
Sex, no matter how careful you may be, may result in pregnancy. You choose to take that risk. The fact that you cant keep your legs closed doesnt constitute ending a life. Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness is being denied every single aborted child = lack of responsibility for ones actions.
You are trying to justify murder for irresponsibility.
It'll one day be illegal. Too many folks are rising up against it, just like they are rising up against Obamacare. Sex should not be practiced if folks arent willing to have the baby they might create. Thats like saying Im gonna invite people into my building, pour gasoline on it because it gives me a thrill, Then I'm gonna throw lit matches at it because that gets me off. If one of them ignites and kills someone inside, oh well, its my building and I get off so it's my right.
abortion( murder) is the law and perfectly legal and it's a woman's right to remove (murder) anything inside her body that SHE doesn't want living inside her body because the unborn has no rights to live, regardless of your opinion that is not law. you can't stop her from having unprotected sex or from getting an abortion.
declaration of independent was made by white men for BORN white men because if it was for everyone, there would be no need for the 14th and 19th.
Yeah, cause LAW is ALWAYS moraly superior. People literally get away with 1st degree murder all the time because of technicalities through law.
And why did race even enter the equation? I think all people are CREATED equal. Therefore all created humans have the same rites to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
People have abortions because they are afraid...this is no excuse for murder.
I'm not saying all laws is morally superior, but when it gives me, my civil and legal rights to my own body to choose when i want to become pregnant, and keep you pro-life fascist losers' beliefs out of MY BODY...it is superior;not all cases of abortion = afraid your opinion
the DOI was created by white men for white men and said MEN all you have to do is look at history book to figure that out, and the LIFE doesn't trump the liberty and happiness when you're inside someone else's body...FACT!
No one is taking your right to choose when you get pregnant. Thats a ridiculus accusation. The question is how you keep from getting pregnant. Women have a number of choices, we are merely saying that murdering babies shouldn't be one of them. FACT!
no, fascist, i was saying you want to force women to stay pregnant against their will and you do, but abortion is a legal choice...her legal choice, not yours: FACT!
she is saying you can't control her legs, she will make that choice herself and what you fail to realize is that the other human is still inside a woman's body and she has a right to get abort it and remove if she wanted too and you can't legally/won't stop her from getting an abortion.
No, fascism gives no value to life other than what those in government allow. Like Hitler determined that gays, the sick, crippled, elderly, black, jews, gypsies, all those not white and blue eyed were unworthy of life. Just like pro deathers who determine that thousands of unborn children a week are not worthy of life. It is you who are the fascist, not I.
Firstly, I consider anyone who brings Nazi Germany to their defense to be out of REAL arguments.
Secondly, you have fascism mixed up with eugenics.
And yes, German fascists practiced eugenics, but that does not make the two things equal.
Thirdly, the comparison does not stand: embryo's are not a minority, not an ethnic group, or a sexual orientation. Abortion does not discriminate on race or sexual orientation. It's not a "genocide" because because embryo's are not "a people"
Once the sperm fertilizes the egg it is a human being in stage one. No human being should be murdered, especially for the sake of convenience, especially by it's mother, in any stage. Sadly most abortions are aquired by young unwed girls who have little or no support systems, or are afraid to ask for help. That is a true testemony to the desparate need to reinstitute christian values into our schools, homes and communitys. It has already be proven to work.
Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. Folks like you argue just for the sake of arguing. You make no sense, come up with ridiculus analogies and spit in the face of logic and fact. Your job is just to draw attention away from the real issue. You try to get folks to focus on women and their imagined right to murder their own child, when the real issue is the child and it's right to live. The right to life out trumps all other rights.
If you are too immature and irresponcible to oversee your own actions then you want an innocent baby to pay the consequences for it? What kind of monster are you? You have a civil and moral right to keep your legs shut to men you aren't married to. Pregnancy isnt the only thing that can happen. You can spread aids and other veneral diseases.
The courts have shown in the past that they will stop a person from knowingly killing others in this way. It is illegal to knowingly spread aids.
It is also illegal to harm the innocent by having sex with minors. Judges in the past has ordered men chemically castrated. And thats to stop the injury to a child, what pro-deather do is much worse, they take the child's life. Your body CAN be legislated if you use it to harm another.
I'm sorry, fascist, to tell you the truth, that you have no power over anyone that is not in your legal care, you need to learn that you can't control people and you can't speak for them as well, also you can't legislate responsibility and/or consequences for other adults in the real world.
i dare to try and stop a woman from getting an abortion or tell her not to have sex and how to have sex and see HOW IT WON'T WORK, regardless of your opinion, abortion is legal because unborn has no rights!
I'm sorry psycho, to tell you the truth, I have the power to campaign for the unborn, and hey guess what, it's working. Folks like you will have to find their illicit thrills somewhere else besides dismembering and dissolving unborn babies.
i not trying to stop you from fighting a battle that already been lost, i need something to do on my free time anyways, you can't legally stop any woman from getting an abortion or control her sex practices...you have no power!
but please , i dare you to just try it and see what will happen...nothing!
LOlol. Oh not sir. This battle is only just beginning. There is no Constitutional right to abortion. It is legal only because cowards in office allowed a judge to go outside the legal perimeters of enterpreting the law. Instead the Roe vs Wade judge illegally CREATED a right unsupported by law. This is unconstitutional and will be overturned. Pro deathers days of killing unborn babies will come to an end.
no, I'm not a dude; really, so i guess you been apart of a losing battle for 30 something years now...lol! just beginning lol. no, when you come in, it's starts, right?
there's no constitution argument against abortion, either. but civil rights are a part of physical integrity, google it, and abortion help out with the physical integrity of the woman, so therefore, a civil rights are legal rights...so abortion is a legal right.
sorry, fascism take away rights of citizens not life. google it
let's assume for a moment you could overturn it in the States. People would just go on "abortion holiday".
I live in Belgium, and this is exactly what happened here. Abortion was still illegal during my early lifetime, and women just simply crossed the border to Holland or France. This was not even some great taboo, it was a known fact. Sure, inconvenient, more expensive. But in the end it shows you cannot stop women if they're desperate/confident enough.
No assumptions, it will most definately be overturned. Now that the internet has brought the moral majority together, to organize, it is only a matter ot time and it won't be long. Right now, we will concentrate on OUR communitys, OUR country. If a woman wants to murder her child instead of taking the pill, considering adoption or help from a pregnancy crisis center then it will be in violation of law and that in itself will be all the deterrent most women will need.
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you really think that women will be concerned about "violating the law" if she really wants to terminate an unwanted pregnancy? we must not let people like this poster get the upper hand when it comes to this very, very private issue. if people like iprazhm gets their way, a woman would not be allowed to termintate a pregancy even if her life were on the line! don't forget el'salvadore.
Ridiculus. Only 1% of all abortions are done to save the life of the mother. The overwhelming majority are done for convenience sake. The fact is when a thing becomes illegal, that becomes a true deterrent. When it becomes illegal for people to perform abortions then those who respect the law will stop. Women will be forced to make better judgements and be more responcible. Illicit affairs will decrease. Sexual disease will decrease. Marriages will be healthier. Better for society all around.
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so, since only 1% are done to save woman, it wouldn't hurt to allow that little one percent to perish, right? now, maybe you have a point about the moral aspect of society changing if abortions were to become illegal...but you can't possibly make us believe the change would be that profound... the legalizing of abortion was political, no denying this but the fact still remains that this delicate decision must stay in the power of the woman to decide without her being criminalized.
Of course not. It has long been the practice in the medical community that in a case where either the mother or the child can live, the mother is chosen. Don't need an abortion practioner for that. The woman has the choice to not get pregnant. Pregnancy is not floating around in the air or swimming in our drinking water. It doesn't happen except under very strict circumstances. The woman chooses to risk pregnancy by allowing these circumstances.The choices are all hers. Nothing delicate about it
The delicate decision of whether or not to have sexual intercourse should be, and should stay, in the power of the woman and her spouse. Once we take the consequences of decisions away from a person, including pregnant women, we take away their ability to make informed decisions. Pregnancy is the natural consequence of sexual intercourse. If a woman does not want to have a baby, she should not have sexual intercourse. Abortion is not a matter of choice, it is a matter of consequence.
its a matter of "safe"choice in america because it is legal. take that argument to the courts. you cannot tell grown women not to have sex; we are sexual beings, always have been and always will be. pregnancy is a consequence of sex and abortion is the consequence of an unwanted pregnancy. so your logic does actually make sense.
I see. I think I understand. You believe the proper role of government includes ensuring the removal of unwanted consequences, is that correct? No wonder we live in a country where freedom is dying. People want to be free from the consequences of their actions. Why even have a judicial system if it is the role of government to ensure nobody suffers any unwanted consequences?
Make your choice, then live with the consequences, that is how to maintain freedom.
Your logic is also sound, but your morality is severely flawed. If everyone were to follow the logical conclusion of your flawed morality, our society would die - our population would not replenish itself. The source of your moral compass is clear, and it is the same source as the moral compass of murderers. Follow that compass to its logical end and your death will be less mourned than any baby that has been aborted.
morality? WHOSE morality? why should anyone tell a living, thinking human being that women have been getting abortions since we have been getting pregnant? it is IMPOSSIBLE for the human race to depopulate itself because of abortion. it is a fact of life and it is none of your business if a woman is pregnant or not in the first and none of your business what she decides to do concerning the pregnancy.
By the same logic, it is not my business if a murderer kills someone in the supermarket while I am at a bank. Abortion, like all murder, is a societal issue, not a personal moral issue.
"IMPOSSIBLE?" If abortion leads to a birth rate of under 2 per couple, the population of the earth decreases. Humans must replenish (reproduce) in order to keep the human population intact and make up for the fact that everyone dies. Reproduction is a necessity. Abortion stops reproduction.
@jnjnelson The earth can support 2 billion people comfortably. The earth is infested w/ 7 billion people. Because of medical advances, people are living to older ages. There are so many more people being born than there are dying, that many of these people are deprived of human rights like food, water, shelter, sanitation, medical....The population of the earth is not decreasing, but our personal quality of life IS. Stopping reproduction is a start, but there are still millions who have nothing.
@dragonpat666 Natural law is not dictated by man. The laws of morality I am referring to are as constant and real as the laws of physics. The law of gravity is constant, and has always existed, separate from any dictatorial authority. It is the same with objective moral law.
There are some things that are inherently morally good and some things that are inherently morally bad. One of those things that are morally bad is murder. One way an individual can commit murder is through abortion.
@jnjnelson There's no reason to mourn something that never was. An abortion is an option for women who simply don't want to be parents. Do you think someone who desperately doesn't want kids would make a suitable parent? Congratulate them on their responsible decision and be thankful that you are not having to support the 50 million unwanted kids that didn't have to come into this world. Hooray for women's rights!!!
Excuse me??? I have NO SUCH thing as a civil or moral right to keep my legs shut, you sexist, sad excuse for a human being. Unless someone failed to mention that I now live under Sharia law, I can have sex with whom I damn well please!
You have no 'right' to keep your legs shut? Are you saying that you are forced to keep your legs open?? If you have illicit sex you have a right to get aids, syphilis , gonorrhea , HPV virus, and a number of other nasty little diseases. VD is an equal opportunity morality enforcer. You can mangle and rot your insides all you want to, it's your body. You choose to allow a man to inject his sperm into your body, to fertilize your egg. Once fertilized,it is no longer your egg,but another human.
@Kayelle1980 Right on, honey! No one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body; whether to have sex or not, whether to drink or do drugs, whether to breed. That individual woman knows in her own heart what she wants or doesn't want. Nobody can tell her what is best for her. Mistakes happen, we fix them to the best of our ability. Thanks to the option of abortion, many unwanted babies have been spared the pain of rejection and abandonment. Thank God for women's rights!
Actually, what it means is that no matter what evidence you are shown that abortion kills a human child, you are gonna still support it. Some folks, like you, are psychotic killers who get their rocks off thinking about the dismembering of a baby. Sick individuals like you will get your rewards in the end. Your abhorrent behaviors will one day catch up to you and prison will most likely be the outcome. Can't say folks didn't try to warn ya.
Just because a person uses birth control doesn't mean they won't get pregnant. Sex afterall is the main fucntion of PRO-CREATION. Life will find a way.
We hold these truths to be self evident..that all men are CREATED equal..That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certian inalienable RIGHTS...& that amongst these are LIFE liberty & the pursuit of happiness........I don't see anything in there about the right to abort..I only see see something about the right to life
Once and for all, does anyone have any deductive reasoning AGAINST autonomy, or just typical warm-n-fuzzy arguments from emotion that don't address the right(s) involved?
Are you one of those people who doesn't have a conscious? It appears that logical reasoning based on natural instinctive human emotion is beyond your ability. Either that or you are one of the low life scum sucking bottom dwellers who make an exorbitant profit from butchering babies. Your callous disregard for human life can only fall into one or the other.
You know nothing of callous disregard for human life if you think ABORTION best exhibits it. There's an emotional argument to be made for abortion rights, too, but that's not intellectually honest.
Parasite: Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. A baby growing in the womb gives comfort, eager anticipation, a feeling of well being, loving attachment, excitement, feelings of oneness. It is indeed a definate enhancement to the mother. Most mothers are extremely protective of the growing child inside them and find it adds to their well being. NOT a feasible comparison.
Romanticizing pregnancy doesn't invalidate the definition you were stupid enough to provide. "A feeling of well being?" "Excitement?" Feelings of oneness?" Those feelings don't usually occur for women kept pregnant against their will, you'll find.
My fiance is a social worker, & works daily to protect the forgotten children who came into this world unplanned for, unwanted, & outside society's willingness to care for. I hear daily of little boys who grow up being raped every day, and little girls whose faces are covered in cigarette burns. ABORTION is disgusting?
Speaking of "love and common decent humanity" while spewing propaganda that reduces women to incubators, men to sperm donors, & children to worthless byproducts is disgusting.
Ask a hungry person if they would rather be hungry, dismembered or dissolved. What do you suppose their answer would be? Taking someone's life against their will is heinious in every sense of the word. Also, for you to claim to see into the future of the aborted child, to know it will be abused is fantasy,no one can do that, no matter how crazy they are.
They tell me they wish they hadn't come into this world...I don't have to suppose. I deal daily with issues of poverty, addiction, hunger, and abuse. There EXISTS no better argument for reproductive choice than the cases of the miserable individuals who don't wish to.
The majority of unwanted children end up in some phase of the state care system where abuse and neglect are rampant. These are facts. Maybe education will enlighten you to the actualization of the arguments you think are moral.
Yeah well, tie them up so they can't escape, stand in front of them with a running chainsaw and ask them if they want to live or die like an aborted baby. Your arguement holds no water.
Those people always existed & wouldn't abort anyway...Abortion is legal & they don't abort because to them the child is a paycheck...Thats a typical pro-choice example of the 1% of happenings...what about the 96% who abort for selfish reasons like job school Or looks
There's an enourmous number of children in the USA who need adoptive parents, only they aren't cute white babies.They 're children, many with multiple health/developmental problems.Since you're so concerned about unwanted children,I've no doubt you've adopted many of those children. Good for you.
dianalee84 1 week ago
Where is this clinic? i need to bring my gf cuz that bitch for some reason wanted to get pregnant and it's all her fault.she's gonna ruin my life with that thing inside her so fuck it lets just throw it away.honestly it's prolly better off that way.
thepooper2010 1 month ago
And, Here In America, We Hope All Of Your Relatives Are Abortions,
Oh And It's Never Too Late To EAt a gUn.
pba4Christ 9 months ago
lmao im pro-choice and the first part was hilarious. (But please.. Don't save the fetuses/babies/unborn children, save the living, breathing, suffering animals!)
Capinyx 11 months ago
*facepalm* "Two for One Sale" give me a break.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Would you send me your email address, to my inbox? I can show a disturbing link between a programme, from the Early 20th century, calle Eugenics, to the people who are promoting contraceptive pills. Actual historical facts!
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 No thanks, my email is private and I am aware of history already. What does it have to do with this stupid video anyway? This guy thinks that women are so stupid that once they have an abortion, they a they will go out an do it again right away. It's so stupid that he embarrasses himself
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI It is not about this video. I was hoping that I could give you the information, privately, so that you can review it. An example of this is about who is in charge, scientifically, about contraception and eugenics today. The person's name is Rajendra Pachauri. He is the LEADING ahem... scientist of this global warming senario. If you look into his background, he is only a RailRoad Engineer. He is the one you are following. That is one fact I have access too!
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 You have access to the fact that I follow.... Rajendra who? OK, thanks for letting me know.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Your very welcome.. India over Pachauri’s “glaciergate”. It is making headlines and the people there are quite angry, because they’ve been led to believe that their Himalayan water supply was seriously threatened in the not too distant future (2035) as reported in the IPCC AR4, and now they find out it’s a bogus, and that a Pachauri peer now specifically admits the 2035 date was known to be false, and used anyway to scare policymakers into action. May I send it to your inbox?
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 I didn't say I wanted the info, YOU said I WAS FOLLOWING this guy. Seems a little silly, that you were telling me that I WAS FOLLOWING somebody. This video is the stupidest piece of garbage.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Well... You support Obama's abortion policy. The policy was engineered by Rajendra. Rajendra, is a railroad engineer, who has no scientific background. He is the head of the ICCP. So, yes you are following someone who has no scientific knowledge. That is why I am saying that you are following him.
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 I support Roe v. Wade. Supreme Court Decision of 1973. Obama was 12 years old at the time. Does the "Prolife guy" have MORE scientific knowledge? He says that babies grow in a woman's STOMACH!!! He's not even smarter than a 5th grader!!
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI The Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations' drastic depopulation program. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its
corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of
Nazi Germany. I will be showing the whole history of Eugenics, and it's link to the so called Global warming of today.
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Again, would you like me to send this, plus hundreds of hours of historical and scientific data, showing different links and their corroborated testimonies? Like I said, I have a lot of information. I will be giving a presentation, in a couple of weeks, here on youtube..
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 I do not look for reliable sources of information on YOUTUBE. But if you are making a presentation, I'll wait the couple of weeks. OK, sweetheart. I sure hope it is better than this video. Promise me you will try a bit harder than the PRO-life guy and not insult the intelligence of the viewer.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
oh my gosh.....
eyeshadowprincess128 1 year ago
Too bad he cannot get pregnant, then maybe he would shut up.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Do you know what happens to women, afterward, when committing abortions? Do you know what history, science and culture teaches us about the consequences of choosing abortion? Read these links of doctors: David C Reardon Is a Ph. D who has a site called abortionfacts. Dr Barry Garfinkel has clinicquotes. There are scientists and doctors, who have found out the result of comitting abortion. Check the information out! Thank you!
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 "committing abortions?" is that like "committing fornication"?
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Ok... Point taken... Still... Take a look at what happens, afterward, to women, who have an abortion. Scientists, and doctors have said that they are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, than if they have the beautiful child. In addition, if they do not kill themselves, they are also more likely to have breast cancer, mood swings, and anxiety attacks, just for starters. It gets worse afterward.. Read what Doctors and scientists say about it.
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 So are you saying that abortion causes depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies? Oh.....and also breast cancer?
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Not me. Scientists, doctors, and nurses, say it. I am just a messenger I look at both sides of the coin. I've been looking at different scientists, doctors and nurses, and their studies, right from the Roe vs Wade decision to today's. I use logic and research as my foundation for my opinion. I am also a part of an organization called BirthRight. We provide homes, food and clothing for women who have unwanted pregnancies. We also have councillers, who take them through.
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 Hooray!! Then it is LOGICAL to say that having a baby will CURE depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies and breast cancer.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Are you still on the mind set of being emotional on this subject? I did not say it would CURE. That is why I am part of the organization. We help women. We are the ones, who take the lady, and the baby straight through, from first stages, to 3 months afterward. We are the ones who are there for the woman and the child. RIGHT STRIAGHT THROUGH!
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
@hawkeye125646 Why are you trying to scare women with false facts like suicide and cancer? They are lies.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
@mylittlebraincelI Again, are you certain of that. I've been studying this for over 10 years now. I can give you scientists, nurses and doctors, who have been studying. Again, are you certain? Have you looked at both sides, logically? Have you read studies from David C Reardon, Finland's National Research and Development Center for Welfare and Health, National Cancer Institute, Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., F.A.C.S, to name a few? I could go on and on. if you want.
hawkeye125646 1 year ago
Fuck you motherfucker
missbrunettgirl 1 year ago
Tax-payer spending (per DAY) for abortion is around $200, 000. As a tax-payer, how is it not my business? The guy who said "kill the children save the food" is probably overweight, unemployed, and mooching off of his mother's retirement fund. It's amazing how many stone hearts you can uncover or run across when it comes to the issue of abortion. I'd rather see a hungry child fed than an innocent child dead. Spend my tax-dollars on the food, Obama.
caitiebugsmom05 1 year ago
@caitiebugsmom05 Are you seriously complaining about the cost of abortions? Do you know how much more it costs us to pay for a human life? As a tax payer, how is it not my business that I'm paying more for people's kids than many of them pay themselves? People sitting on welfare having 5 or more kids, and what are they teaching those kids? Why attack women for making responsible, though difficult, choices? You'd rather watch a billion people starve to death than prevent more births? That's sick.
loathedandabhorred 10 months ago
@loathedandabhorred Actually about 45% of people on foodstamps have one child, and around 30% have 2. As a tax payer myself, I'd rather see my money go towards FEEDING kids, not killing them. You seem like you think you have a lot to say but you need to close your mouth before more bullshit falls out of it.
caitiebugsmom05 10 months ago
@caitiebugsmom05 I suppose you believe you can feed millions of unwanted kids? Stop fooling yourself, you can't save the world. In this day and age it costs over $100,000 to raise a child for 18 years. Do you know how many unwanted kids can be prevented with that? Why should children have to suffer? These idiot pro-lifers seem to think it's fine to place newborns in abusive homes, how is that ever a good thing? Once they're born, everyone turns a blind eye..
loathedandabhorred 10 months ago 2
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Kill the childern save the food!!
SamsonToilet 1 year ago
I'm a mere man... I'll never know what it's like to have a life growing inside me.... then scramble its little brains and queef it out.
RichardZERO 2 years ago
man, you should have your own show on on justinTv or even cable, I couldn't stop laughing but it's not a funny subject. great video.
gangstanikes 2 years ago
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jtrubilla 2 years ago
Yep....and the majority of americans voted for the leader. Obama the God hater! His wrath is upon us! Wake up people and get right before its late.
SOAMC33 2 years ago 2
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He's christian... LOL
zweg2 2 years ago
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i don't know if it is expedient to be so hot about a woman being legally allowed to determine her reproductive perogatives. it has always been this way in some form or another; in most cases, just not legal. im not knocking anyones passion to the contrary because everyone should have a passion; this is what life is about...good luck on your journey to have abortions illegalized.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
I liked "Crazy Tony". Then he started talking non-sense about saving babies...
SUPERdorkdragon 2 years ago
ok.... tell me about the medical benefits that Christianity provides (other than false happiness, intolerance to both race and sexuality, and the ever so distant after life)
kinnikufanchick101 2 years ago
Christianty promotes clean living which promotes mental and physical health, doesn't take rocket science. It is neither racist or intolerant of sex within the union of marriage, which by the way promotes health also. Monogamy keeps us free from sexual disease and strengthens our marriages and families. The only intolerance is for sin, which simply chooses behaving right instead of wrong. Christ promotes living right and in peace with each other. The afterlife may not be so distant,
iprazhm 2 years ago
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im sure im not the only one with a peas worth of history that will not agree with what you said about christianity. utopian fantasies will not help your cause but being realistic and objective will definitely get you places...
dragonpat666 2 years ago
In the intolerant minds of some unbelievers, your're right it probably wont help. But the 'moral' majority is the majority no less, and if abortion went up for a national vote, it would be abolished. You might be shocked to learn that many self proclaimed atheists are pro-life, also many non-christians. You arguement that this battle is waged by christians will not help your cause.
iprazhm 2 years ago
@iprazhm Statistically it is Catholics running the show on the abortion tables (last I heard). My brother, an atheist, is also pro-life. You are right. It's not just Christians.
caitiebugsmom05 1 year ago
@iprazhm OK, Protestants... Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
caitiebugsmom05 1 year ago
Great video. I know people who don't believe in God, but they belive that a baby has a right to live. It's not about religion, it's about morals.
JSharmaine 2 years ago 2
Here's the thing abortion is a hot button issue and a "debate" on youtube isn't going to solve it. Abortion was started so that doctors could make money, that's why. It was also founded on a lie. Jane McCurey "Roe" said she was raped. After getting the abortion she went on record saying she was never raped. It was founded on a lie, and this woman is heralded as a womens/civil rights activist as a revolutionary. She's nothing more than a liar! It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right.
supersambo723 2 years ago 2
She never had the abortion, genius, and she's now a pro-lifer, so you're attacking one of your own, dear!
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
The only reason she didn't have the abortion is because it took so long for the courts to make the decision. Sorry I meant to say after getting the right to abortion, but I got in a hurry. So I'm sorry. You haven't ever messed up while typing something and forgot to put words into a sentence?
supersambo723 2 years ago
heh, that was a good, funny video until the commercial ended.
why is it so often men who are so ape-sh*t about whats basically a medical procedure for women? they have that right. But hey, I'm also for castrating sex offenders. You, sir, could use a nice dose of salt peter. theres some responsible preemptive medicine for avoiding an abortion.
lupinesangre 2 years ago
just like south park. It was funny, then it got a little preachy
BonesTheGhostHunter 2 years ago
Whaaaaa whaaaa. I don't like life lessons. Whaaa Whaaa i like learning the hard way and later regretting what I have done.
iprazhm 2 years ago
nah. I've never regretted anything and never will. Abortion FTW
BonesTheGhostHunter 2 years ago
Thanks for proving to everyone exactly what they were thinking of you in the first place. You are a coward, an idiot and self centered to the point of murder. Too bad we can't see your real name and normal folks could know to stay away from you, keep their children away from you because you are a psychotic jerk.
iprazhm 2 years ago
People already stay away from me........ believe me
BonesTheGhostHunter 2 years ago
I do.
iprazhm 2 years ago
wow, not to offend you but if you are trying to be like Billy Mays in the beginning then please put a warning so people don't get their eardrums blown out. Thanks for posting a video about abortion =^.^=
ryoko 2 years ago
My god, this man is sooo sexxy.
urwhatthewho 2 years ago
whats really funny green is you give crap out and cant handle it back, ingonroence eh? lol, and im gonna treat you the ways you treat people and life it self :)
stevienickslover 2 years ago
I cant handle you...LoL.
Read your posts...if my goal was to show your ignorance...you have handled yourself.
The same mind that developed those thoughts you posted to me, is the same mind that you use to make decisions on issues like abortion. I dont want to hurt your feelings, but you need an education.
I am more than happy to debate you on your side of this argument, but It is becoming evident that you dont have an argument...if you do, then post why you believe abortion is wrong...
greenlabel60 2 years ago
im educated enough in what i beleve in, your the same person who attacked my newborn on my page, do you not think that is ignorent, coz its low that you have to sink that low, puts you across as a troll!! my point is sex ed, and better treatment and proper choices, abortion aint a very good one!! and im sure there a few girls who regret it out there but they havint been given better support and/or advice, yes, in this case your the ignornet one dude :)
stevienickslover 2 years ago
Everyone knows green is a troll now. Pro-deathers are not tha popular it seems lols !!
TeeLuvsEire 2 years ago
not hard to see that,lol
stevienickslover 2 years ago
lol, and for someone that seems against pro lifers your creeply obsessed bout pro life guy ? ! ummmm
stevienickslover 2 years ago
You are brilliant sir.
:)
theDCtouch 2 years ago
Sister, or grandmaw :)
iprazhm 2 years ago
Sorry...I shouldn't sermise...Have a Good night sister:)...May God be with you
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
We gotta pray for these folks Gerard. They are so blind, only God can reach their humanity. How miserable it must be to hate the promice of life so much, that you advocate it's destruction. I have to wonder what happened along the way to harden their hearts so completely. Goodnite my comrade at arms. God bless you and yours, especially those resting in the womb.
iprazhm 2 years ago
There are no fallicies...I love...Thats all there is to it...I love people....Anybody who loves could not kill a baby....I love the unborn children...my heart wrenches everytime I think about some evil hearted abortionist throwing a newly aborted baby into a cold empty bucket...The bucket is cold & empty like your heart...Good night
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
Good night all!
Keep chanting your anti-choice talking points and refusing to acknowledge the fallacies that are rotting your rhetoric.
SAVE THE BABIES! Yee-HAW!
eljagg01 2 years ago
I'm growing bored. Emotional arguments, laughable attempts at analogy, rampant ad hominem attacks...these "tactics" are why not many people respect the anti-choice movement.
I would (in all honesty) have hoped for better.
eljagg01 2 years ago
14th Amendment requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. 'All people' includes babys, born and unborn. The majority of Americans know this to be true. Put it up to a vote. It is double murder to kill a pregnant woman. The law considers the fetus to be a viable 'person' under this law, it is impossible to not consider it a viable person in abortion. The two cannot be in opposition, and one day they won't. Both will one day be illegal.
iprazhm 2 years ago
That Amendment starts with "All persons born or naturalized in the US, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the US and the state wherein they reside".
The Amendment was proposed to protect the rights of African-American males equal to their white counterparts.
Funny you should quote an Amendment that came about at the end of slavery while you simultaneously advocate the slavery of millions, to the state through forced pregnancy. :) Nah...I think they'll both stay illegal.
eljagg01 2 years ago
I suspect you will never get your wish.
iprazhm 2 years ago
What it boils down to, after all the bs about your pretense of killing babies because you care for them, the truth is that you advocate SOLEY for the convenience of an irresponcible woman.
iprazhm 2 years ago
I do believe that our forefathers would have added a clause in the constitution to prevent abortion if at all they would have imagined that the matter would come up in the future
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
How could they have imagined it? Restricting reproductive choice due to religious bigotry is an entirely new phenomenon in world history....
eljagg01 2 years ago
Again, for the imbelciles who didn't get it the third time around, no one restricts the woman's choice to fertilize or not fertilize her egg.
iprazhm 2 years ago
But still others suspend her ownership of her own person post-conception and advocate compulsory pregnancy as state service...
eljagg01 2 years ago
A baby is a separate entity, another human being. No human being OWNS the life of another.
iprazhm 2 years ago
just asking, do you not think that reprodoctive choice should be birth control and not abortion? and that abortion should be kept for extreme cases? just wondering
stevienickslover 2 years ago
I think it is the individual who chooses when to reproduce, not the state or church. Birth control is easier and more affordable, so naturally that's preferred.
eljagg01 2 years ago 2
totally agreed
stevienickslover 2 years ago
The woman has ALL the CHOICES. She chooses to risk casual sex with a man, during her ovulation, allow his sperm inside her body, fertilize her egg . ALL HER CHOICE. Once that egg is fertilized, it is no longer her egg but a separate human being that has it's own separate DNA, and exclusive fingerprints. Test tube babys are fertilized outside the womb, proving they are separate entitys. The mother's uterus becomes the hotel with staff to lodge, feed and keep baby warm. Now, murder isnt a choice.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Not all sex is casual.
The woman has no conscious control over what the sperm does after choosing to have sex.
A "separate" human would be SEPARATE. :)
Course, anyone who'd call women "hotels" obviously has a few marbles loose...
Just letting ya know.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Most all abortions are for convenience. Most all married couples who get pregnant, have their children. Most all unwanted babies are to women who aren't married and have no intention of marrying the man who impregnanted them. The baby is a separate human being who needs it's mother for protection and nurishment, much like it does when born. Anyone who proclaims a human infant worthy of being dismembered or disolved has a few marbles loose. You are an idiot.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Separate human beings are separate. Ad hominem attacks on the women who have abortions doesn't make your case. Individuals own their person.
I'm sorry.
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iprazhm 2 years ago
Two people can share a kidney, actually sharing flesh, yet they are two separate people. Sharing blood, organs, skin does'nt make you 'one'. Even conjoined twins are two separate individuals, and most are much more 'joined' as one than a baby floating freely in a mother's womb, held only by an umbilical cord. You are a lot of things, but I don't believe 'sorry' is one of them.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Two individuals "sharing" organs is entirely removed from one organism being completely physiologically dependent on the organs of another, which is a PARASITE. Not at all analogous. Anything else?
eljagg01 2 years ago
Again, for the slow ones, PARASITE: Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of it's host. A baby in the womb gives, comfort, eager anticipation, feelings of well being and hope for the future. Its an enhancement to the expectant mother. No parasite on earth grows into a human being. That alone gives all the reason needed to protect the unborn with any means possible. You are indeed a slow learner.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Not for women trapped in unplanned pregnancies. Cutesifying bad situations doth not a case make. Again.
So I take that to mean you have nothing but more of the same? Kay.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Excuse me while a cry a river....Women are only 'trapped' for 9 months if all goes well. Then if they don't want their child there are thousands of couples waiting to adopt and love these children. Not only does abortion stop a beating heart, it deprives a loving stable couple of knowing the joy only a parent can know. You are beyond comprehension. You talk of murdering an innocent healthy human child like it's a used tissue. Are you vegan, animal rights fanatic, Pro-deathers usually are.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Children given up for adoption go into a horrible state care system. There is a SHORTAGE of would-be adoptive parents. And if there weren't, it wouldn't be pregnant women's job to pop out babies for them. The fact that you'd subsidize women's bodies to state ownership for even a moment betrays your obscene lack of morality. I'm a utilitarian, which means I consistently oppose suffering and actions which cause them. How many children have you adopted, by the way?
eljagg01 2 years ago
You obviously don't know the difference between adoption and foster care. It is a woman's job to not get pregnant. It isn't in the water or breathed in the air. A woman has to allow a man to ejaculate sperm inside her, when she is ovulating no less. It is HER job to not get pregnant if she doen't want to carry a child for nine months. She is in complete control over NOT getting pregnant. But once she is, it is no longer HER EGG she carries, but a separate human being. It is too late.
iprazhm 2 years ago
I'm a social worker sweetie. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Women own their bodies after conception just as before.
Out.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Yeah I know about the politics of social work training. I know students have to sign agreement to believe and express liberalism or they dont get their degree. Your job title doesn't entitle you to any greater respect than any other. It is your content of character that garners respect and unfortunately your lack of which garners no respect from me or any pro-lifer worthy of that title. You are sickening, to say the least. A liar and a propogandist. It doesn't matter, in the end you will not win
iprazhm 2 years ago
Being pregnant doesn't make her 'owned by the state', you are not just an idiot, but a complete idiot, and a liar. You are an acitvist whose job it is to promote a certain agenda even if it means you have to spread rumors and lies to do it, NOT to ever actually help anyone. Asking me 'how many children I have adopted.." is a moronic question. I was able to have my own thank you, but hundreds of thousands can't. You opposes suffering of animals but not babies, you are mentally ill.
iprazhm 2 years ago
sorry, but my body is not a baby making factory for childless people...there's are millions children already out there that need your/their help...you/ they can go adopt them.
i have a right not to be pregnant, when i don't want to be pregnant and have all the unprotected sex i want.
my body carrying the embryo and it's MY choice to have an abortion.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Well then, keep your legs shut or take precautions if you wanna fool around. No one is forcing you to let a man inject his sperm inside you and fertiliizing your egg, WHILE you are ovulating. You have a right to stop these things from occuring. BUT if you CHOOSE to let these things occur, then YOU CHOSE to get pregnant and you no longer have a choice to kill the evidence of your stupidity. It is no longer YOUR EGG but a separate human being and murdering it is not a choice.
iprazhm 2 years ago
who are you to legislate my body? i decide when to open and close my legs not you, so lets stop pretending you have real power over people when you don't.
i still have a civil and moral right to an abortion, regardless of your opinion because if i did wanted an abortion...there's nothing you can do to stop me or any woman.
whhhhaaaa stop bitching about something you have not control over and a woman have a civil right to decide what lives inside her own body.
it's not a baby or a child,
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
No one will stop a murder either. cause that person made a decision to murder.
Sex, no matter how careful you may be, may result in pregnancy. You choose to take that risk. The fact that you cant keep your legs closed doesnt constitute ending a life. Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness is being denied every single aborted child = lack of responsibility for ones actions.
You are trying to justify murder for irresponsibility.
neemguy81 2 years ago
It'll one day be illegal. Too many folks are rising up against it, just like they are rising up against Obamacare. Sex should not be practiced if folks arent willing to have the baby they might create. Thats like saying Im gonna invite people into my building, pour gasoline on it because it gives me a thrill, Then I'm gonna throw lit matches at it because that gets me off. If one of them ignites and kills someone inside, oh well, its my building and I get off so it's my right.
iprazhm 2 years ago
abortion( murder) is the law and perfectly legal and it's a woman's right to remove (murder) anything inside her body that SHE doesn't want living inside her body because the unborn has no rights to live, regardless of your opinion that is not law. you can't stop her from having unprotected sex or from getting an abortion.
declaration of independent was made by white men for BORN white men because if it was for everyone, there would be no need for the 14th and 19th.
woman trump embryo.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Yeah, cause LAW is ALWAYS moraly superior. People literally get away with 1st degree murder all the time because of technicalities through law.
And why did race even enter the equation? I think all people are CREATED equal. Therefore all created humans have the same rites to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
People have abortions because they are afraid...this is no excuse for murder.
neemguy81 2 years ago
I'm not saying all laws is morally superior, but when it gives me, my civil and legal rights to my own body to choose when i want to become pregnant, and keep you pro-life fascist losers' beliefs out of MY BODY...it is superior;not all cases of abortion = afraid your opinion
the DOI was created by white men for white men and said MEN all you have to do is look at history book to figure that out, and the LIFE doesn't trump the liberty and happiness when you're inside someone else's body...FACT!
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
No one is taking your right to choose when you get pregnant. Thats a ridiculus accusation. The question is how you keep from getting pregnant. Women have a number of choices, we are merely saying that murdering babies shouldn't be one of them. FACT!
iprazhm 2 years ago
no, fascist, i was saying you want to force women to stay pregnant against their will and you do, but abortion is a legal choice...her legal choice, not yours: FACT!
she is saying you can't control her legs, she will make that choice herself and what you fail to realize is that the other human is still inside a woman's body and she has a right to get abort it and remove if she wanted too and you can't legally/won't stop her from getting an abortion.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
No, fascism gives no value to life other than what those in government allow. Like Hitler determined that gays, the sick, crippled, elderly, black, jews, gypsies, all those not white and blue eyed were unworthy of life. Just like pro deathers who determine that thousands of unborn children a week are not worthy of life. It is you who are the fascist, not I.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Firstly, I consider anyone who brings Nazi Germany to their defense to be out of REAL arguments.
Secondly, you have fascism mixed up with eugenics.
And yes, German fascists practiced eugenics, but that does not make the two things equal.
Thirdly, the comparison does not stand: embryo's are not a minority, not an ethnic group, or a sexual orientation. Abortion does not discriminate on race or sexual orientation. It's not a "genocide" because because embryo's are not "a people"
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
Once the sperm fertilizes the egg it is a human being in stage one. No human being should be murdered, especially for the sake of convenience, especially by it's mother, in any stage. Sadly most abortions are aquired by young unwed girls who have little or no support systems, or are afraid to ask for help. That is a true testemony to the desparate need to reinstitute christian values into our schools, homes and communitys. It has already be proven to work.
iprazhm 2 years ago
To me, your argument lost all credibility once you brought Christian values into the mix....
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. Folks like you argue just for the sake of arguing. You make no sense, come up with ridiculus analogies and spit in the face of logic and fact. Your job is just to draw attention away from the real issue. You try to get folks to focus on women and their imagined right to murder their own child, when the real issue is the child and it's right to live. The right to life out trumps all other rights.
iprazhm 2 years ago
For now...but thats gonna change.
iprazhm 2 years ago
If you are too immature and irresponcible to oversee your own actions then you want an innocent baby to pay the consequences for it? What kind of monster are you? You have a civil and moral right to keep your legs shut to men you aren't married to. Pregnancy isnt the only thing that can happen. You can spread aids and other veneral diseases.
The courts have shown in the past that they will stop a person from knowingly killing others in this way. It is illegal to knowingly spread aids.
iprazhm 2 years ago
It is also illegal to harm the innocent by having sex with minors. Judges in the past has ordered men chemically castrated. And thats to stop the injury to a child, what pro-deather do is much worse, they take the child's life. Your body CAN be legislated if you use it to harm another.
iprazhm 2 years ago
I'm sorry, fascist, to tell you the truth, that you have no power over anyone that is not in your legal care, you need to learn that you can't control people and you can't speak for them as well, also you can't legislate responsibility and/or consequences for other adults in the real world.
i dare to try and stop a woman from getting an abortion or tell her not to have sex and how to have sex and see HOW IT WON'T WORK, regardless of your opinion, abortion is legal because unborn has no rights!
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
I'm sorry psycho, to tell you the truth, I have the power to campaign for the unborn, and hey guess what, it's working. Folks like you will have to find their illicit thrills somewhere else besides dismembering and dissolving unborn babies.
iprazhm 2 years ago
whatever, your opinion.
i not trying to stop you from fighting a battle that already been lost, i need something to do on my free time anyways, you can't legally stop any woman from getting an abortion or control her sex practices...you have no power!
but please , i dare you to just try it and see what will happen...nothing!
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
LOlol. Oh not sir. This battle is only just beginning. There is no Constitutional right to abortion. It is legal only because cowards in office allowed a judge to go outside the legal perimeters of enterpreting the law. Instead the Roe vs Wade judge illegally CREATED a right unsupported by law. This is unconstitutional and will be overturned. Pro deathers days of killing unborn babies will come to an end.
iprazhm 2 years ago 2
no, I'm not a dude; really, so i guess you been apart of a losing battle for 30 something years now...lol! just beginning lol. no, when you come in, it's starts, right?
there's no constitution argument against abortion, either. but civil rights are a part of physical integrity, google it, and abortion help out with the physical integrity of the woman, so therefore, a civil rights are legal rights...so abortion is a legal right.
sorry, fascism take away rights of citizens not life. google it
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
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and the court made it legal would hurt.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
let's assume for a moment you could overturn it in the States. People would just go on "abortion holiday".
I live in Belgium, and this is exactly what happened here. Abortion was still illegal during my early lifetime, and women just simply crossed the border to Holland or France. This was not even some great taboo, it was a known fact. Sure, inconvenient, more expensive. But in the end it shows you cannot stop women if they're desperate/confident enough.
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
No assumptions, it will most definately be overturned. Now that the internet has brought the moral majority together, to organize, it is only a matter ot time and it won't be long. Right now, we will concentrate on OUR communitys, OUR country. If a woman wants to murder her child instead of taking the pill, considering adoption or help from a pregnancy crisis center then it will be in violation of law and that in itself will be all the deterrent most women will need.
iprazhm 2 years ago
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you really think that women will be concerned about "violating the law" if she really wants to terminate an unwanted pregnancy? we must not let people like this poster get the upper hand when it comes to this very, very private issue. if people like iprazhm gets their way, a woman would not be allowed to termintate a pregancy even if her life were on the line! don't forget el'salvadore.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
Ridiculus. Only 1% of all abortions are done to save the life of the mother. The overwhelming majority are done for convenience sake. The fact is when a thing becomes illegal, that becomes a true deterrent. When it becomes illegal for people to perform abortions then those who respect the law will stop. Women will be forced to make better judgements and be more responcible. Illicit affairs will decrease. Sexual disease will decrease. Marriages will be healthier. Better for society all around.
iprazhm 2 years ago
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so, since only 1% are done to save woman, it wouldn't hurt to allow that little one percent to perish, right? now, maybe you have a point about the moral aspect of society changing if abortions were to become illegal...but you can't possibly make us believe the change would be that profound... the legalizing of abortion was political, no denying this but the fact still remains that this delicate decision must stay in the power of the woman to decide without her being criminalized.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
Of course not. It has long been the practice in the medical community that in a case where either the mother or the child can live, the mother is chosen. Don't need an abortion practioner for that. The woman has the choice to not get pregnant. Pregnancy is not floating around in the air or swimming in our drinking water. It doesn't happen except under very strict circumstances. The woman chooses to risk pregnancy by allowing these circumstances.The choices are all hers. Nothing delicate about it
iprazhm 2 years ago
The delicate decision of whether or not to have sexual intercourse should be, and should stay, in the power of the woman and her spouse. Once we take the consequences of decisions away from a person, including pregnant women, we take away their ability to make informed decisions. Pregnancy is the natural consequence of sexual intercourse. If a woman does not want to have a baby, she should not have sexual intercourse. Abortion is not a matter of choice, it is a matter of consequence.
jnjnelson 2 years ago 2
its a matter of "safe"choice in america because it is legal. take that argument to the courts. you cannot tell grown women not to have sex; we are sexual beings, always have been and always will be. pregnancy is a consequence of sex and abortion is the consequence of an unwanted pregnancy. so your logic does actually make sense.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
I see. I think I understand. You believe the proper role of government includes ensuring the removal of unwanted consequences, is that correct? No wonder we live in a country where freedom is dying. People want to be free from the consequences of their actions. Why even have a judicial system if it is the role of government to ensure nobody suffers any unwanted consequences?
Make your choice, then live with the consequences, that is how to maintain freedom.
jnjnelson 2 years ago 2
one of the "consequences" of an unplanned pregnancy is abortion. and i can live with that.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
Your logic is also sound, but your morality is severely flawed. If everyone were to follow the logical conclusion of your flawed morality, our society would die - our population would not replenish itself. The source of your moral compass is clear, and it is the same source as the moral compass of murderers. Follow that compass to its logical end and your death will be less mourned than any baby that has been aborted.
jnjnelson 2 years ago 2
morality? WHOSE morality? why should anyone tell a living, thinking human being that women have been getting abortions since we have been getting pregnant? it is IMPOSSIBLE for the human race to depopulate itself because of abortion. it is a fact of life and it is none of your business if a woman is pregnant or not in the first and none of your business what she decides to do concerning the pregnancy.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
By the same logic, it is not my business if a murderer kills someone in the supermarket while I am at a bank. Abortion, like all murder, is a societal issue, not a personal moral issue.
"IMPOSSIBLE?" If abortion leads to a birth rate of under 2 per couple, the population of the earth decreases. Humans must replenish (reproduce) in order to keep the human population intact and make up for the fact that everyone dies. Reproduction is a necessity. Abortion stops reproduction.
jnjnelson 2 years ago 2
@jnjnelson The earth can support 2 billion people comfortably. The earth is infested w/ 7 billion people. Because of medical advances, people are living to older ages. There are so many more people being born than there are dying, that many of these people are deprived of human rights like food, water, shelter, sanitation, medical....The population of the earth is not decreasing, but our personal quality of life IS. Stopping reproduction is a start, but there are still millions who have nothing.
loathedandabhorred 10 months ago
Whose morality? Objective natural morality. Natural moral law. That morality which is self-evident.
jnjnelson 2 years ago 2
objective natural morality and natural moral law DICtated by whom?
dragonpat666 2 years ago
@dragonpat666 Natural law is not dictated by man. The laws of morality I am referring to are as constant and real as the laws of physics. The law of gravity is constant, and has always existed, separate from any dictatorial authority. It is the same with objective moral law.
There are some things that are inherently morally good and some things that are inherently morally bad. One of those things that are morally bad is murder. One way an individual can commit murder is through abortion.
jnjnelson 2 years ago
@jnjnelson There's no reason to mourn something that never was. An abortion is an option for women who simply don't want to be parents. Do you think someone who desperately doesn't want kids would make a suitable parent? Congratulate them on their responsible decision and be thankful that you are not having to support the 50 million unwanted kids that didn't have to come into this world. Hooray for women's rights!!!
loathedandabhorred 10 months ago
Excuse me??? I have NO SUCH thing as a civil or moral right to keep my legs shut, you sexist, sad excuse for a human being. Unless someone failed to mention that I now live under Sharia law, I can have sex with whom I damn well please!
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
You have no 'right' to keep your legs shut? Are you saying that you are forced to keep your legs open?? If you have illicit sex you have a right to get aids, syphilis , gonorrhea , HPV virus, and a number of other nasty little diseases. VD is an equal opportunity morality enforcer. You can mangle and rot your insides all you want to, it's your body. You choose to allow a man to inject his sperm into your body, to fertilize your egg. Once fertilized,it is no longer your egg,but another human.
iprazhm 2 years ago
I have the right to keep my legs shut, I also have the right to fuck around if I choose.
I have no moral or civil obligation to anyone.
I do use condoms, but yes, there is a risk of disease. There's a risk of pregnancy.
If I get a disease, I go to the doctor for medication
If I get pregnant, I go to a doctor for an abortion.
It's that simple.
If will be my mistake, my responsibility, my conscience I have to deal with..but also my CHOICE. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
@Kayelle1980 Right on, honey! No one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body; whether to have sex or not, whether to drink or do drugs, whether to breed. That individual woman knows in her own heart what she wants or doesn't want. Nobody can tell her what is best for her. Mistakes happen, we fix them to the best of our ability. Thanks to the option of abortion, many unwanted babies have been spared the pain of rejection and abandonment. Thank God for women's rights!
loathedandabhorred 10 months ago
Actually, what it means is that no matter what evidence you are shown that abortion kills a human child, you are gonna still support it. Some folks, like you, are psychotic killers who get their rocks off thinking about the dismembering of a baby. Sick individuals like you will get your rewards in the end. Your abhorrent behaviors will one day catch up to you and prison will most likely be the outcome. Can't say folks didn't try to warn ya.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Just because a person uses birth control doesn't mean they won't get pregnant. Sex afterall is the main fucntion of PRO-CREATION. Life will find a way.
JSharmaine 2 years ago
"Every sperm is sacred", right? XD
eljagg01 2 years ago
We hold these truths to be self evident..that all men are CREATED equal..That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certian inalienable RIGHTS...& that amongst these are LIFE liberty & the pursuit of happiness........I don't see anything in there about the right to abort..I only see see something about the right to life
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
Once and for all, does anyone have any deductive reasoning AGAINST autonomy, or just typical warm-n-fuzzy arguments from emotion that don't address the right(s) involved?
Anyone?
eljagg01 2 years ago
Are you one of those people who doesn't have a conscious? It appears that logical reasoning based on natural instinctive human emotion is beyond your ability. Either that or you are one of the low life scum sucking bottom dwellers who make an exorbitant profit from butchering babies. Your callous disregard for human life can only fall into one or the other.
iprazhm 2 years ago
You know nothing of callous disregard for human life if you think ABORTION best exhibits it. There's an emotional argument to be made for abortion rights, too, but that's not intellectually honest.
Ad hominem. Again.
eljagg01 2 years ago
There is no right to abortion in the United States Constitution.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Parasite: Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. A baby growing in the womb gives comfort, eager anticipation, a feeling of well being, loving attachment, excitement, feelings of oneness. It is indeed a definate enhancement to the mother. Most mothers are extremely protective of the growing child inside them and find it adds to their well being. NOT a feasible comparison.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Romanticizing pregnancy doesn't invalidate the definition you were stupid enough to provide. "A feeling of well being?" "Excitement?" Feelings of oneness?" Those feelings don't usually occur for women kept pregnant against their will, you'll find.
eljagg01 2 years ago
What about love & common decent humanity...Does that fit into any of your ideology?Or are you just as good as a cold hearted fish?
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
My fiance is a social worker, & works daily to protect the forgotten children who came into this world unplanned for, unwanted, & outside society's willingness to care for. I hear daily of little boys who grow up being raped every day, and little girls whose faces are covered in cigarette burns. ABORTION is disgusting?
Speaking of "love and common decent humanity" while spewing propaganda that reduces women to incubators, men to sperm donors, & children to worthless byproducts is disgusting.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Then do you do it?
iprazhm 2 years ago
Ask a hungry person if they would rather be hungry, dismembered or dissolved. What do you suppose their answer would be? Taking someone's life against their will is heinious in every sense of the word. Also, for you to claim to see into the future of the aborted child, to know it will be abused is fantasy,no one can do that, no matter how crazy they are.
iprazhm 2 years ago
They tell me they wish they hadn't come into this world...I don't have to suppose. I deal daily with issues of poverty, addiction, hunger, and abuse. There EXISTS no better argument for reproductive choice than the cases of the miserable individuals who don't wish to.
The majority of unwanted children end up in some phase of the state care system where abuse and neglect are rampant. These are facts. Maybe education will enlighten you to the actualization of the arguments you think are moral.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Yeah well, tie them up so they can't escape, stand in front of them with a running chainsaw and ask them if they want to live or die like an aborted baby. Your arguement holds no water.
iprazhm 2 years ago
People living in poverty often say they wish they had never come into the world....I'm sorry.
eljagg01 2 years ago
I doubt that.
iprazhm 2 years ago
Those people always existed & wouldn't abort anyway...Abortion is legal & they don't abort because to them the child is a paycheck...Thats a typical pro-choice example of the 1% of happenings...what about the 96% who abort for selfish reasons like job school Or looks
theprolifeguy 2 years ago