The Islamic expansion by offensive wars, violence and murders.

[Nixupiz3]

2 BIG WAVES ALHAMDULILAH INSHALLAH THE THIRD WAVE ISLAM SHALL TAKE THE GLOBE WITH IT!!!

YA ALLAH MAKE US A PART OF THE ARMIES OF ISLAM WHO PARTICIPATES IN THE REFORMATION'S OF THE UMMAH AND LET US TASTE EVEN A DAY WHICH WE LIVE UNDER THE KHALIPHA! AMEEN YA RABBII

[puschel2011]

Islam is a Cult of Satan and nothing Else! There is many many Proove out there and this Video almost shows one more Puzzle to the Bigpicture!

[naamlas]

europeans are lucky that this happened. otherwise all those classical greek works and circulating islamic scholarly works would have never been translated and introduced to them.. all information would have continued to be destroyed by christian purges. Europeans would have continued to crawl on all fours till this day.

[SocialFascism]

@naamlas In 1400 years muslims has translated the same amount of books into arabic as spain translates into spanish in one year. muslims has 7 nobelprize winners. jews have over 160. the muslim world owns 1/30 of the world resources of which 1/4 of arab world is owned by saudi. muslims looted all the old world civilizations to use their treasures for islamic expabsion. over time all this civilizations with the worlds most fertile farmlands all turned into desert.

[idriss0007]

ISLAM PEACE AND FOREVER

[skypys111]

as usual, the Zionists transformed into lies the story, they moves verses out of context, Islam has never called to violence, we brought peace and serenity, the words of this woman will witness the Last Judgement Day

God is great and the truth will soon inchallah these fruits

[FrQuodvultDeus]

@skypys111 wrote: "Islam has never called to violence" but it has been practicing violence since its beginnings. Why are you telling cheap lies like soviet propaganda?

What about that?

"In 1144, Edessa (now Şanlıurfa in Turkey) it was captured by the Turk Zengui, and most of its inhabitants were slaughtered together with the Latin archbishop, see

See in Wikipedia Siege of Edessa

[idriss0007]

@FrQuodvultDeus Yes world war one and two and vietnam and indian killing and black killing and france colonalisation ...... and ..............................­.......are muslims too ,your system is rolled by illuminati wake up stop lying to yourself cause that will change nothing.

[thedudefromthehood]

LONG LIVE ISLAM!!!!

1400 YEARS OF HATE AGAINST US AND WE ARE STILL STANDING WITH OUR CHINS RAISED!!!

[DuckingNDiving]

@thedudefromthehood if you read your quran a bit closer you will see that it preaches hate against the non-muslims,its earlier aggressive wars show it to be a non peaceful religion,1400 years it has waged jihads on humanity,i can hold my head up and say i never will submit to a black rock in mecca,you fall to the floor and idolate the kaaba,you are already a brainwashed slave of the dead pedophile false prophet

[vivek2686]

@thedudefromthehood mother fucker... your fuckin islamic countries will soon get fucked up by india , america and israel... fuck islam and allah

[thedudefromthehood]

@vivek2686 lol America? the country that is getting fucked by some Afghan farmers? Israel? the country that ran away like pussies in 2006 against Lebanese fighters? India? don't get me started, they can barley feed their own people.

[hynixx]

You guys who say any religion can be spread by sword need to think again. Religion(xtinaity or islam) are set of Ideas. You cant plunge the sword into somebody heart with those Ideas. Anybody who was forced to worship any deity would have only pretend to worship and taught to children otherwise. Forcefull conversion makes no sense. Islam was never spread by sword..Anywhere.

[47saeed]

@hynixx So the fact that all the places invaded by Arab Muslims becoming Muslims is just a coincidence?

Most Muslims have never read Quran in a language they understand and know very little of its history. Islam is a religion based on fear. Quran, its main message is, obey our sets of rules or you go to Hell. If a Muslim leaves the religion, another Muslim has been given the right in Quran to kill them.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Not all places arabs invaded became Islamic.. and not all islamic countries were invaded by Arabs. Fine example is southeast asia. home to over 280 million muslims and most populace muslim country Indonesia. It was not invaded by any army. Sufi(Islamic mystics) spread the religion there. Muslims know about their religion more than followers of other religions. Murdering apostate in not quranic.get your facts straight

[47saeed]

@hynixx They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth.

[hynixx]

@47saeed That verse clearly and obviously does not asks muslims to kill the apostate. It says allah will take care. As this was joke for some early arabs who would convert for favor and will turn back on religion when leaving. no verse in quran condones murder of apostates.The so called murder comes when fourth caliphate when apostates were seen as traitors who give information to enemy.

[47saeed]

@hynixx Muslims read verses in Quran (like the one I sent) and interoperate it as kill the apostate. I would not interoperate it as such but many Muslims do and people live in fear or worse as the result.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Some muslims interpreting the verses by themselves is what creating this epitome of taking charge of saving the muslims by attacking US. A personal cant introperate any religious book/codified books by themselves let alone quran.

[47saeed]

@hynixx If Quran is sent by God to help people, then its message should be obvious and not be susceptible to human misinterpretation.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Everybody in the world do not have same thought process to understand and interpret any book. Thats where different religous schools and denominations are born. human interpretation or simplification is necessary for other human to understand. That is and will be always same for quran or bible or veda etc.

[47saeed]

@hynixx You clearly do not understand what being a perfect being means (GOD). God would be able to send a message which would be perfectly understood by all. Quran can be interpreted many ways, because it is the work of man. I never said Muslims feel subjugated by Islam. However now that you mentioned it, many do.

[hynixx]

@47saeed What I dont want in a religion is to overly research the nature of that perfect being you just mentioned. They talk and analyze for ages and finaly come to conclusion to that he cannot be described so. Rather than wasting time on knowing god. you can try to know the path to god. A religion which defines a 'way of life' in the path of righteousness which leads to GOD in a practical religion.

[xxahoohooxx]

@47saeed fuck all religion

[47saeed]

@hynixx I never said all the People became Muslim as the result of Invasion. But most of the people the countries invaded by Islamic violence did become Muslims. Many who did not want to become Muslims had to leave their land. The Parses left Iran and went to India as the result of Islamic persecution. They also built their temples in the most inaccessible places.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Again India/spain/greece/Ukraine such countries proves your argument wrong. Spain was ruled for 650 years..India over 600 years(sultanate/Mugal). primary motives of islamic empires and kings were wealth and not conversions. who will pay the poll tax if everybody becomes muslims?. parsi migration to india predates islamic persia and even today zoarstrianism is practised in iran.

[47saeed]

@hynixx Yes the Arab Muslims did give the subject of their aggression three choices, conversion, tax or war. Mohammed did say if all turn Muslim who shall we harvest (words to that effect). Parsis migration in Islamic time is documented, they first settled in Gujarat. The Moguls were different to Arab Muslims; however India still has a big population of Muslims and we all know about Pakistan.

[hynixx]

Islamic empires using islam as a primary reason to setup empires in Non-muslim land exactly is like modern day US attacking Iraq in the name of Democray(their religion). We all know the real reason is wealth. The same model was follwed by all the islamic empires, they are not exception of imperialism. In india most conversion was done by Sufis and Low-caste hindus escaping the high-caste.

[47saeed]

@hynixx The fact that all the countries that were invaded by Muslims ended up having big sections of its people become Muslims shows a correlation that cannot be explained away. The leaders were after wealth, the people doing the fighting were promised wealth and heaven

[hynixx]

@47saeed Faith is a personal choice, nobody can make you believe what you dont want to believe.esp by force, your heart must be in luv with it. or else you cant follow it. Fear can only hold you for while. Most netcritics know very few of Philosphical side of it. Sufic islam a core side of it. many countries were converted by sheer proselytizing work of sufis. It even happens today. But you cant accept a geniune heart change to islam again. you think it cant happen.

[47saeed]

@hynixx 99% of people have the same religion as their parents.( where is the personal faith). Churches were full when the sermons were about hell fire and sins; churches are pretty empty, now that the sermons are about love of God.

[47saeed]

@hynixx . I used to be a Muslim and went to Mosques, it was all lamentation and fear, love was completely absent. The message in Quran is, abide by Allah or go to h e ll. Tell me one up lifting message in Quran that you could not have thought of, yourself.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Here fear of Allah or God doesnt mean fretting senseless or pissing in you pants thinking of Allah. It is Fear to commit sins or crime which is harmful to fellow human. It is fear to lose to moral ground as compass in life. One uplifting message is islam i can say is 'Brotherhood/sisterhood' beyond races,languages, within the community. This doesnt come naturally. I will rather adhere to teaching which ordains to luv you brothers/family rather than love of god.

[47saeed]

@hynixx You cannot determine what form peoples fear of Allah or Muslims should take. If they are afraid of hell, or nutty Muslims, blame words of Muslims and Quran. Hell is a fearful place to many believers.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Sinning is a fearlful act to muslims, which leads fear of damnation. Its not hell itself that frightens. If we engage in such an (sinful)act, that may lead us to hell is what creeps muslims. I think that certain degree of punishment to violating establised sense of righteousness should be there, or else the whole social order would breakdown. Nobody would be there to protect the vunerable if everybody lay down their weapon save the wicked.

[hynixx]

@47saeed As in a individual's Realm..violence can be discounted. but to establish a society, some form of violence should be adopted to face eveil. this lies on basic principle that EVIL DO EXIST. without understanding a basic life's intention to forgo evil and enjoin righteousness we cant know the ideas of use of violence or severe punishement. we ca all adopt Gandhi's way of non-violence, but will it work for all time??. I am sure it didn't work for gandhi himself

[47saeed]

@hynixx You cannot know what the ordinary invading Muslims did after invasion. Some would have wanted to spread their religion. Some would inevitably have been the fire brand. Islam was not misused for subjugation, it was designed for subjugation.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Subjaction or libertation is how one conceive the message. it will be not same for every person/culture. Americans may think they libertated iraqis, but it is for every iraqis to know what it is. you may think all muslims are subjacated by Islam. but their point of view is vice-versa of yours. As i said many countries that was ruled by muslims for centuries did not become islamic(india,spain,greece). many countrie which did not have muslim rule became islamic.

[47saeed]

@hynixx Iraq is not being librated, it is being exploited. Islamic invasions were also for exploitation. Islams premise is, God gives you a warning, you do not abide, God has the right to punish. We the invaders represent him, you do not abide us, we have the right to punish. Most Muslims that talk about love in Islam do not live in Islamic countries.

[hynixx]

@47saeed Religion or not, what you described was the criteria set up by all invasions. however, religiously motivated invasion set themselves by certain rules..like islamic invasion, Generally they had a code of conduct. Rules of engagement to POW and enemy soldier, environment etc. This was completly absent in imperial invasions like Roman invasion, Mongol etc.

[47saeed]

@hynixx Mongolians and Romans did have their code of conduct (For most part, if you surrender, you can save your skin). The Muslims were little different, in Islam you are not supposed to take slaves (although they took many) an exception is if you capture them after a battle, then they are booty, man, woman and child. Islam stops racism? Most Islamic slaves were Black. Why does the League of Arab states exists.

[hynixx]

romans slaughtered their enemies without mercy..look into dacia. all were slaughtered. Muslims did not slaughter instead they wished they can convert their previous enemies into muslims themselves. that is the difference. Muslims didnt even call the vanqished slaves, becasue they thought they can convert to islam that is their own level. romans or hindus never thought they can convert their conquered into equals thats why someting called caste system exist today in India

[47saeed]

@hynixx I never said Romans did not slaughter their enemies. I said if they surrendered they were spared. Decanis were killed and committed suicide. You previously said the purpose of invasion was not conversion, now you say they did not kill their defeated enemies because they could convert them. Muslims did take the captured as slaves and this is allowed in Islam.(Evil is act of men, these deeds were evil). Do not try to excuse violence.

[hynixx]

@47saeed In every times some group of men/women in every society engaged in some sort of violent method to assert superiority over neigbouring kingdoms. The purpose of islamic invasion was not solely motivated by converting people. even when a enemy converts..he become equal to the victors. So what is the point. What i meant to say is Islam as a religion did not spread only through invasions. There was a whole lot of non-violent missionary activities involved.

[47saeed]

@hynixx We agree that Islamic invasion by Arabs was for gathering wealth and the by product was conversion. I have said it before; Islam has not been spread solely by invasion. I still do not know the purpose of god giving us the message of Islam. The defeated did not even after conversion become equal to the victors; some were slaves for the remains of their lives.

[hynixx]

@47saeed you can always diffentiate the Political Islam from the religious Islam. A muslims can go through all his life wthout engagin in combat with non-muslim and still live as muslims and die. the religion has evolved over from combat stage whcih early muslims always were in. Islam has seperated the Political/economic and spiritual part of it to wherever you live in. That is the basic survial epitome of islam.

[47saeed]

@hynixx Answer these two questions. Why did God sent the message of Islam? How is the world going to end according to Islam?

[47saeed]

@hynixx It was only by the end of the fourth century after Tariq's conquest that a majority of the population practiced Islam (including descendants of Visigoths and Romans).At the time of the Russian Revolution, Muslims were one third of population of Crimea. Nearly all major cities in Crimea had a significant Muslim population.

[akbar2k7]

LONG LIVE THE WARRIORS OF ISLAM

[GWR4079]

@akbar2k7 die in a hole you stupid muslim

[nuridddin]

guys!! dont waste your time on long disscussions an do more research, or are you afraid that one day you can become a muslim by more knowledge???

[FrQuodvultDeus]

Today Friday, 8.12.2010, is the darkest day for Catholics in Malaysia as the Muslims are going all out bombing and burning churches, burning cars of Christians and Catholics. As of this morning, three Catholic Churches have been burnt down to ashes.

This all started when the Court ruled in favor of the Catholic in allowing the use of the word "Allah" in the Catholic publication.

I ask for your continued prayers that peace may prevail

[ecclesiamilitans1099]

Christianity spread by the Apostles shedding their own blood. Mohammad spread his religion by making others shed their blood.

[xllGustavollx]

what about the mass murders and forced conversions of native Americans, and the bloody crusades against the Lithuanians?

christianity also expanded through the sword

[FrQuodvultDeus]

Was it an act of little Jihad, great Jihad or Foutouh?

Early in December, three Muslims entered the Meryem Ana Church, a Syriac

Orthodox church in Diyarbakir, Turkey, and confronted the Rev. Yusuf Akbulut. They told the priest that unless the bell tower was destroyed in one

week, they would kill him. (Compass Direct News agency, Dec. 15 report)

[FrQuodvultDeus]

If you think that "fanatical muslims travelling accross the world forcing Islam at the point of the sword is a myth" - why not reading about Battle of Tours in English Wikipedia, or brave Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi who invaded France in VIII c. with an army of approximately 50,000 cavalry composed primarily of Arabs and Berbers.

Thank you

[taab84]

i had already that

you don't seem to make a difference beetween a raid and an invasion

i invite you to read the part(Objecting to the significance of Tours as a world-altering event) from the same article(wikipedia) and explain what is talking about.

[FrQuodvultDeus]

Maybe I don't. But what about caliphates in Spain - were they formed as a result of an invasion or raid?

The cross of Jesus and his resurrection, true Tree of eternal life is proclaimed neither by invasion nor by raid. That's the difference between the faith in Christ and the Muslim religion.

[taab84]

Salam alikoum

It is a conversion but i don't think we can compare that with a true invation (crusade,reconquista)

Muslims don't threat the spanish like the christian threat the mayas and the habitant of the new world, the Jews ,the gnostic, the scientiques (Galilée), the christians orthodox and nestorians...

[FrQuodvultDeus]

So what's true invasion? When Sultan Mehmed II (see Wikipedia) arrived at Constantinople - was it a friendly visit?

See what he did to the church of the Divine Wisdom (Hagia Sophia) in 1452?

What would you say about "Kurds in Turkey' (Wikipedia)?

[taab84]

I don't see the problem in that case:

the Ottomans and the byzantines was in war

Mehmet II did the same thing that the christians did to the mosque of cordou and then when Mehmet come the constantinople the churche was in bad condition.

[FrQuodvultDeus]

War is not a problem for you, specifically when it is "jihad" with the unbelievers: 200 000 men atacking 7000.

We Christians condemn wars. Christ told us to love also our enemies ( see. Mathew 5:44). The fifth comandment: "do not kill" makes war forbiden, unless it is in defense to protect life (see. John Paul II, Evangelium vitae, no. 55, Catechism of the Catholic Church no. 2265). We condemn violence in the Christian history, you do not see anything wrong with violence in Muslim history?

[taab84]

First Jihad is not a war (see wikipedia about that)

Second start to respect the commandement that you speak in the place to talk to non-christians.

third we can't talk about violence if it concerne a military to military.

each Nation has a military problem inside or outside the country.

we can't compare the military actions of christains and muslims becaus the last ones does not exterminate peoples after winning.

[FrQuodvultDeus]

"First Jihad is not a war (see wikipedia about that)"

Wikipedia:

"Jihad has also been applied to offensive, aggressive warfare, as exemplified by Muhammad's own policies and the entire subsequent history of the spread of Islam. From the first generation of Islam, jihad ideology inspired the conquest of non-Muslim populations, forcing them to submit to Muslim rule or accept outright conversion"

No comment.

[taab84]

Yes and after that tell that you'll tell that the father chritmas really exist

i'll explain

Foutouh: is the conquest

little Jihad:is a defensive military action

Great Jihad:is a spiritual combat against ourself.

[LordMalice6d9]

@FrQuodultDeus, Christianity may be more peaceful than Islam but Christianity is still not innocent.

Christians were fed to the lions in Pagan Rome, but what western history books don't tell anyone, is once Christianity came into power under Constantine and Theodosius and made the state religion of Rome, Christians went on a massive book burning campaign to rid all paganism, in 415 A.D Hypatia of Alexadria was murdered by a christian mob. And in 782 A.D Charlemagne had 4500 pagans beheaded.

[barbarza]

@LordMalice6d9 ...keep in mind...catholic is NOT christian...it is also a system of rules. Just like islam. NOT UNTIL Luther, christianity was truly established in its rightful form ---- head of the Church is never a human.

[dvy45]

all religions were spread through violence, religion does nothing but to divide people with fake ideas of a supreme power.

[taab84]

Salam alikoum

If i understand only 10.000 Fanatics muslims have done all this conquests?

De Lacy O'leary said:"history makes it clear that the legend of fanatical muslims travelling accross the world forcing Islam at the pointe of the sword is the myth the most fantastical absurde that the historiens had ever repeated"

Thank you

[CJmate8]

A lot of people who werent forced by sword only joined because of economics. Arab merchants only trade with arab merchants. It also appealed to the poor because of the promised heaven part.

[taab84]

Salam alikoum

Muslims trade with everyones and that they become the best traders in the middle-age

[Cengolinho]

Sure, the Christians were always and still are peacefull people....

You pissed, shitted,humiliated, raped, killed blacks/asians just because they were weak and couldnt figth back, you are the most coward people on Earth! Fuck your media, your historians, and your fake democracy!!!

[GiovanniJanczar]

The difference is that those people who do this arent real and good christians whereas muslims-terrorists goes straight to heaven because of their killing inocent people..

[Cengolinho]

Same goes for the people of bin laden and his supporters, bin laden and all the other sons of whores like him arent REAL and GOOD muslims, actually bin laden is the work of the US goverment, but yet you (Christians) put us in the same category so easliy!

[3GABBA]

The Communists were angels compared to this system of hate and intolerance.

Even the Naziswere better... and they were cruel, evil and anti-christian.

This way of fascism should be forbidden!!!

You can't fight this hate with peace and freedom.

We have to judge them in their own way how they do with others.

How they would do it wih us.

Normally I'm against fight jate with hate.

But Islam can't be changed so we have to fight it and throw it out of Europe, America, East Asia.

[HPH53]

Islam is not a religion, it's a brainwashing ideology with fascistic leanings.

Islam want to conquer the world like its written in the Quran.

They failed terribly with militair, now they do it by immigration/overtaking the free countries from inside.

[averit]

It's described very nice in a book by Oriana Fallaci "Might of the mind" (I don't know the correct translation in English).

Jan III Sobieski, a polish ruler led armies of Europe to destroy turks and stop their expansion for several centuries. Why western countries are destroying this achievement? Why won't they change immigration politics and civil laws? No human rights for muslims!

[PROUDMUSL1M]

He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it)[al-Saff :8-9]

[PROUDMUSL1M]

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

They intend to put out the Light of Allah (i.e. the religion of Islam, this Quraan, and Prophet Muhammad) with their mouths. But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate (it).

[PROUDMUSL1M]

you strive to wage war against this religion and to refute the truth with falsehood. But you can never achieve that, for this religion will abide, and Allah will perfect His light, even though you Kaafirs hate that.

[PROUDMUSL1M]

Hmmmm !! that's why people are still converting To Islam despite all your propaganda? i have personally witnessed 18 women converts this year... "KEEP IN MIND" that no matter what you do! you wont STOP Islam from Spreading..Perish in your rage!