This is illegal period. Especially trying to force answers out of people who have not committed no crimes against this nation! This meeting is a waste of time, and is a staged show to Ok it's use. First off, the war was staged with 911 being more than likely, an inside job. Secondly, they (prisoners) , are probably being silenced in secrete, because they know the truth! It would be shameful to know that our government is silencing people who know the truth, thru torture!
Way too many people are quick to call the Iraqis who shoot at American soldiers "cowards" and "enemies" and "evil".
If Canada decided to invade US for an insufficient reason, and you or I decided to shoot back at them to protect your house from them, would you consider yourself a "coward" or "evil"? No, you're just trying to protect yourself and your family.
Cheney and Bush should be tried and hung for their war crimes and their use of torture on innocent Iraqi civilians.
@log140 blah blah blah. It's torture? So what?! Then let's torture the Hell out of those TERRORISTS! They NEED to be tortured! For one thing, they DO give out information when tortured believe it or not! Secondly, they have no problem torturing their victims. So why do you feel sorry for them you little pansy?
@log140 Did I say anything about killing innocent people? The difference is that we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. We don't use women and children for shields and we don't use suicide bombers and cowardly tactics like roadside bombs. The difference is that we use precision guided ordinance and do everything we can to prevent collateral damage, while they do everything in their power to kill innocent civilians. That;'s the difference.
You and your sick minded so called soldiers are not better than these fanatics.
In fact your soldiers are worse, because not only they are torturing people but also killing innocent people with no reason, rapping young girls and hide it by killing the victim and her family and burn their bodies.
All U.S. soldier's bodies that were recovered after being captured by Al Qaeda all had one thing in common -- lots of drill holes in them. Now I think every one of the morons here complaining about the waterboarding of 3 Al Qaeda terrorists would choose having water poured up their noses to being drilled into multiple times before having their heads sawed off.
When the US military is compared to this enemy, we look like saints.
I agree with you, but is that the mark of our society? That we compare ourselves to terrorists, and are better than them, so therefore we are good? I would certainly hope not. The reason why we can call the terrorists abhorrent is because we maintain an undeniable moral high ground. IMHO it should be our goal to maintain that stance specifically so that we never have to debate whether or not our behavior is close to that of our enemies.
We "maintain an undeniable moral high ground" and that fact should be painfully obvious. Just the fact that the U.S. would never intentionally target women and children for death (a tactic terrorists are known for) would give us the moral high ground, but there is so much more to our efforts toward decency and honor in these situations.
Only the unbelievably ignorant (or the fools in our media who would report without verification any slander for the sake of ratings) could confuse the two.
I happen to agree with you, but my point is larger than that. Rather than saying "well what they do is much worse than waterboarding" I would argue that what they do is torture, and we don't do that...period. Maintaining this clear moral distinction requires absolutes on the issue. When one begins debating the merits and depth of one type of torture vs. another you are blurring the line and establishing ambiguities. I believe thats where America needs to make its stand.
"the U.S. would never intentionally target women and children for death "
its been documented that the US has in fact targeted women and children for death. wwll, vietnam and iraq are clear examples. you think "shock and awe" didn't kill women and children and you thing the US didn't know that it was going to? come man, get real.
What is it with you libs. You think that war is all, 1 shot 1 kill shoot the bad guys and go home? Do you think the marines say "There's a woman shoot her!" No, they don't. When you are fighting cowards who hide in uban areas and shoot from beind civilians. You either die, or shoot at them. It's not like we dropped a stategic nuke on baghdad.
Hell, holding your head under water id torture then shit my sister must be a terrorist she tries to drown me all the time. This is gonna end up bad with this whole torture thing now that they are gonna release photos now. And prosecute Bush, seriously. They do that and its gonna be bad for this entire country every president who did what he did will be demonized.
You know what I'm talking about you miserable fuck. Obviously you do know how do explain the email directly below where you clearly know what i'm telling you. But I can't expect an idiot like you listen to common sense. You people are sick, you live in this country how about showing some allegiance to your country. Even communists believe in their country but you don't support your country.
Oh what research you base it on bullshit numbers and body counts. Let me educate something I watch all news and I look at all the facts and both sides before I come to a conclusion. What I've been talking about is based on facts. You base it on every single bullshit fact from NBC. I'm winning this argument. Your the one who's attacking me that shows I one. When insults are your last resort then you lose. I got plenty of facts ask me anything, just don't tell me I wrong cause I know I am.
Regardless of WHICH American station you watch, you are ONLY given the views of the Zionist/Pharisee.. as is allowed by the Hasbara Project. Please, at least look it up, because the numbers you quote as well as most everything else you have stated, has been DEBUNKED all over the world, except for IN the U.S.
Honestly, this is so tiring.. like "talking" to a brick wall, it is!
No not really cause Im saying that war is hell. No one likes war but as history has shown there are people who wanna kill us in the USA. We have to defend ourselves most Americans don't know that we are still at war. And in war there are no rules. Terrorists aren't fighting for any constitution no mercy, no surrender. So why should we bend over and take. Bush broke no laws in defending our country. Same as Clinton, Bush, JFK, FDR, Hoover, etc. Many presidents have done the same.
What happened to people these days. Waterboarding is torture? I probably would have electrocuted them. The US is becoming really soft. It's the hippies fault. They are going to destroy this country.
Nancy Pelosi denies knowing U.S. officials used waterboarding — but GOP operatives are pointing to a 2007 Washington Post story which describes an hour-long 2002 briefing in which Pelosi was told about enhanced interrogation techniques in graphic detail.
It is not up for debate. Waterboarding is classified as torture by virtually every legal, ethical, military and sociology institution in the world outside of the American Republican party.
en.wikipedia (dot) org /wiki/ Waterboarding
It was torture when the Spanish Inquisition did it, it was torture when the Nazis and Soviets did it and it's torture when we do it as well. Even slaveowners used it to torture runaway slaves for information. This is simply GOP hyper-partisan hackery.
Good old Sheldon Shithouse from Rhode Island. Land of the liberal freaks who steal from the GT and treat the citizens like dogshit. I digress. Now let me see... they can cut our heads off on camera and we can't give them a fizzy? GET REAL PEOPLE.. I read some of these lame and idiot comments posted here. I don't think waterboarding is enough touture. If you consipire to kill innocent women and children and you get caught? You better fess up or get some water up your nose.
wwaaaaaaaahhhhh pouring water on my face is torture wwaaaaaaaaaahhhh.
Terrorists who intentionally target children with bombs, their comfort is more important than using advanced techniques to extract info that could save innocent lives.
"You don't know if the person you're torturing is a terrorist."
Actually, when they proudly admit to being a terrorist, it's a safe bet; especially when you combine that with other evidence. See, they didn't just use tough interrogation on every single prisoner, they used it on people like Sheik Khalid Mohd. (admitted Al Quaida).
I just don't believe tough interrogation can be completely ruled out, in some circumstances it could be the only way to save lives.
"Making someone deprived of sleep for up to 11 days suck water through a damp cloth until they pass out is torture; deal with it."
wah wah wah wwaaaahhh. I don't give two shits about the comfort of terrorists, these are people who light children on fire, throw acid on women's faces, cut innocent people's heads off, etc., etc. I believe in an eye for an eye. I would like to burn all of these dirtbags alive, like the American Indians did to their enemies.
It's been PROVEN, by the numbers who have been sent home (after being tortured) that we get NOTHING, worthwhile, as far as information, from those being tortured.
No, if you would like this done to you, I will be happy to oblige. we will then SEE who does the crying!
Your a lyer of course we got info life saving info from these sons of bitches. But you won't hear about that because the media doesn't want you to know that torture works.
Okay, crazy, YOU stick with that idiotic thought. MY Media goes along with torture, as LONG AS it's the ZIonists doing the torture.
No, we don't like for others to do this (and I am talking about American media-- which I guess YOU know nothing of).. but torture does NOT work.
It's akin to false-confessions.. when people are tortured, they WILL say anything to get the oppressors to STOP doing what they are, including confessing to crimes they have NOT committed.
There is no other side your wrong thats it torture works. You know how I know cause of the reports of the attacks that were prevented because of this info that they got using waterboarding. And wy do you defend scum like terrorists. These people are expert torturers and interrigators they know when someone is lying DUMMY! Look it up! I'm sick of you people defend terrorists more then the CIA agents who defended your fucking freedom. Where you get the balls to day something like that and no proof
I don't defend scum.. I do defend people who have been taken from their OWN countries by our military (with NO PROOF) and tortured to garner infomrmation *which is simply NOT true. Why don't YOU look it up? Honestly, for someone who cannot seem to even write in ENGLISH, I do find it humerous that YOU call me a "dummy"..
Hilarious, shady.. Your name (pseudonym) does totally suit YOU..
I DO have proof. I have read the studies-- have YOU? Of course not as YOU hate to be proven wrong! ehhh?
These people were taken off the battlefield captured. You do defend scum you say they are innocent but they are not. Then you say Bush should be prosecuted or others should be held accountable for their actions. For what? What laws did they break. Nothing. They didn't used torture. So stop trying to back up your pathetic argument. You live in this country but you don't defend it. Why don't you get your facts right and stop insulting me, I'm still right.
If people will say anything to get the torture to stop, it seems to me they can say anything to NOT get tortured. Tell the interrogators false info and you won't suffer any "torture".
And no they never wire tapped people in the US they did across the seas and other places. A judge signed agreement that allowed us to spy on the enemy in other places not the US. Not one American was spyed on, not one person imprisoned by the Patriot act. Except the guilty but no Americans were. Dumbass. Again more smears by the liberal media that trashed Bush every chance they got. What else you wanna know cause I got all day. theres nothing you can say that I haven't heard before.
So, the NSA would be allowed to wire tap you? We're not talking about guilt here, we're talking about collecting evidence and information to prevent a terrorist attack.
Stop rattling off about 'no Americans were tapped'.
How can you make such a blanket statement like that?
We hear that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was waterboarded and revealed vital information that saved thousands of lives due to planned attacks. But Democrats want to prosecute people in the Bush administration over this.
Is it too late to prosecute members of the Clinton Administration for killing American citizen children at Waco?
You don't know if torturing Khalid saved any lives, let alone thousands. You're taking quite a liberty with that statement. You do not know if the plans were imminent and nor do I because those details weren't released. For every guy that gives actual useful intel while being tortured there are many more who just say anything to stop being tortured. Then, as if your previous BS wasn't enough you go Waco? It wasn't too late for the Republican administration to prosecute anybody, yet they didn't.
It was reported that this occurred the info gained from Khalid.. If you don't believe it its your choice. Numerous authorities have declared there was no torture at Gitmo. & as for "administration prosecutions" well let's see if Mr. Obama calls for any over Gitmo. As for the Republican administration you mention, it was a Democrat administration in power when Waco occurred and for sometime afterward. That was a major disaster and a criminal act. Reno a walking thug. Killed children.
It was an accident. There was no criminal act. The order was given to use lethal force only if necessary, and to use flash bangs and non-lethal weapons to help ensure no loss of life. Nobody gave the order to kill children. The ATF used force applicable to the situation. Oh and authorities have admitted to using a technique called waterboarding. That is torture. If you don't believe that then go ask the men of Spanish Inquisition who invented it or the Khmer who borrowed it.
"As for the Republican administration you mention, it was a Democrat administration in power when Waco occurred and for sometime afterward." Bush had a chance and he didn't prosecute. It just makes you look stupid to bring that up in this situation.
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I don't think anyone likes the idea of drowning. Nor does anyone like the idea of going to prison. By your criteria, the US government is inflicting cruel and usual punishment on a daily basis simply by detaining for committing a crime.
All licensed Bar Attorneys in the U.S. owe their allegiance and give their solemn oath in pledge to the Crown Temple, realizing this or not. All Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London. Although they vehemently deny it, all Bar Associations in the U.S. are franchises to the Crown.
This isn't exactly dodging the question. He isn't supposed to have an opinion because it shouldn't matter. As the Attorney General, he is the legal representative of the United States Government. He does not decided if something is constitutional or not, he only prosecutes those who break federal law or infringe on constitutional rights. He doesn't even enforce laws, he just argues for the government's case. So his stance on waterboarding is irrelevent.
well how can prosecute someone for anything if he cant tell if something is legal or not, i mean isnt comprehending the constitution in Law 101? And yes he is dodging the question, how can you not see through his answer? Is he not entitled to his opinion? Why can't he just state it then? Odd no? well I guess your not too bright if you can't follow what I'm saying.
Okay, I'll do this different way. It's not writing down any where. There is no federal law and no constitutional clause that specifically prohibits waterboarding. A court has to declare it torture first. As a person he has a opinion but at the Atty Gen. he has none. He simply applies the law to cases and cites other cases as precedents. Judges interpret the law. If they declare it torture, he must prosecute whether he thinks it is or not. Tell me, am I being obtuse or did you get it that time?
It was torture in WWII USA procecuted Japan on it, also in Veitnam USA army service men were also charged for using the same TORTURE.
Has anything changed .... NO .... Torture is still illegal and i think anyone who dissagrees should seriously wonder about their morals and whether they would like to have simulated drowning proformed on them while they are being detained without charges indefinatly.
Wouldnt being in a place like that be bad enough, I think so.
Yukio Asano was also guilty of various other forms of torture including beatings and burnings. The trials following WWII were to make sure no one got away clean.
During Vietnam, the one soldier in question was brought up on dereliction charges because he disobeyed direct orders NOT to engage in waterboarding.
The question is not if torture is illegal but if waterboarding is torture. It's not this man's job to decide that. The courts must decide and that decision will be enforced.
The question is not if torture is illegal but if waterboarding is torture.
Clearly it is so you need to get your morals together. If it is not torture, may i come and do it to you because it sounds like you would quite enjoy me making you feel like your dying.
Remember known symptoms during and following waterboarding are Heart Attack, Inflamation of the lungs, Even death. And the after effects include nightmares and post traumatic stress. Clearly this sounds highly like Torture. If not WHAT?
I'm not saying what waterboarding is. Mukasey isn't allowed to. I simply explianing why he can't. By the way, prisoners can have exactly the same pyschological symptoms and suffer from similar health issues, so is prison torture?
And don't threaten people, you're on the internet. So if, you are not a thirteen year old boy, stop talking like one...
***Thats why we have to vote for OBAMA because the people in washington are all the same Hillary to, Liars ** OBAMA 08 we need a change in this country for the American people not just the big companies buying our elected officials.
Don't forget, he gave these crap answers and still got confirmed! It isn't just the lying scumbags fault, congress must share the blame of what has been happening in Washington the last 8 yrs. They approved everything Bush asked for. And the House will approve the retoactive immunity Bush has been asking for in the FISA bill. Don't be shocked when it happens.
He makes no sense and dodges every single question. Get this scumbag out of here.
He sounds like Rudy Guiliani does anybody else hear the similarities. Deception is all politics. Mukasey do everyone a favor and retire you make aboustly no logical sense that attorney should have. Got hunting with Cheney.
wELL waterboarding is torture if it is torture and well it is torture so its obviously torture if it was not torture than it would not be torture but since it is torture well its torture! Godbless our big government!
There isin't one single indivudual in from this criminal administration that does not deserves to be handcuffed and placed behind barrs! From Chenney to Perino! HAGUE 2009!
Find someone that has had it done. Some of our Special Forces guys have. Their opinion is far more valuable than mine or yours. Let me know how it goes.
It is torture, we are better than this. We're supposed to be setting an example for the rest of the world. I have no problem with arresting terrorists, but, they need to be given the rights that are guaranteed to them in the geneva convention. You can't just go around torturing people that you THINK are terrorists. I would rather be not be safe than to sacrafice freedom.
"he who gives up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety deserve niether and will lose both." me and Mr. Franklin agree with your last sentence.
This Debate is SO stupid , who cares if USA tortures terrorist , those assholes would kill every Christian if they had the chance and now we're debating about wheter we SHOULD or NOT should torture some Christian haters ? This is so stupid... do what ever you can to get the info that we need and stop making stupid hippy comments about torture
Who cares? Jesus: "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you." (Luke 6:25-28) I care, too.
Yes it seems the bible for the conservatives only works when someone else's blood is on the line.I know its not what is intended with this quote of scripture but it shows to go you that most that stand behind this book pick and chose wisely just what parts suits teir agenda.
This waterboarding is so transparently a tactic by the "Bushco" to silence dissent. As we all know water is not good for wooden boards. It causes warpage and degradation. Who needs wooden boards the most? Of Course, Bob Vila
Who does Bob Vila work for? You guessed it, PBS. Connect the dots people.
Torture, wiretapping, excessive force, minimizing free speech, invading a sovereign nation, stealing oil, lying to Congress & the American people, ignoring Congressional subpoenas, creating a private army, federalization of the state militia, deregulation of lending laws, and the monopolization of US media... it's all okay so long as you feel safe from terrorists and can buy a pair of shoes at Walmart for $10.
waterboarding is torture. it involves intentionally drowning a person, filling their lungs with water. it is immoral. we should not do it to terrorists. in fact, waterboarding is a form of terrorism. judge mukasey should be ashamed of himself for evading the question, and providing tacit cover for the administration's use of waterboarding.
Wanderingwill1_ No water enters the lungs! I think it is you mis-led. Its disgusting those who cry torture for a terrorist...I dont hear crys of outrage for the 5 REAL toture chambers found recently in Iraqi. So many blind and brainwashed people!!
It saddens me that we cannot agree on the facts of the matter. In fact, waterboarding involves forcing water down someone's nose and throat, which eventually fills the lungs. Waterboarding disgusts me because it is real torture and real terrorism. Instead of getting mad at me for describing waterboarding, please carefully consider the act of waterboarding.
Okay, in my opinion, water boarding is torture, but I have nothing wrong with torture on the terrorists. I agree with Freesian, why don't we look at the Democrats who want the terrorists to be treated like anyone else. They don't deserve it! Period.
God Bless America (yes, I said God) and her troops.
1. Torture is not effective in matters of interogation. Ask ANY expert on the subject.
2. Torture is not only against US law, it is also against International law. In other words, if WE don't prosecute those in our military who torture, as well as those who order it, they will likely be tried as war criminals at some point.
Waterboarding is not torture..such a gross misuse of the word. And who gives a damb about terrorists? Daniel Perls killer was one who was waterboarded..Think I give a damb..Hell no!!!
I strongly disagree. You should NOT fight terror with terror. If you do, the question becomes: who started it, who was the first to use terror? To that question there are no answers and you lose all the justification for your actions.
If you start compromising your morals, the terrorists have already won, because the morals are, after all, the thing that separates you from them.
Someone being tortured will provide inaccurate information. They are going to say whatever it takes whether true or untrue for it to stop. So in the end it doesn't say lives. It only makes America look bad lowering ourselves to the level of those we are fighting.
well im pretty sure beheading, gassing, and suicide bombing is against someones human rights as well,correct? Its all about proportionality...anyways...Your so quick to call me names. When did i ever say waterboarding wasnt against human rights? try some critical thinking for once. The only reason i say that is because that is how they get away with using it. The constitution does not apply to everyone around the world, only us citizens.
So the constitution bans us citizens from using torture. How do they get away with it ? TAKEN is right, you are a moron sir for not thinking of that very simple fact. Please don't talk about the constitution anymore, it's out of your league
Alright, neither of you live in the united states. Obviously neither of you know anything about the US Constitution. Find me one sentence in the constitution that bans "torture". Thats right, you cant. I bet neither of you have even read the constitution. Is this why you call me names and mock me? because you have no idea what you are talking about?
do some research for fucks sake, there's more to this world than your precious constitution. the US has signed the Geneva Convention. It says POW's should be treaten humanely, and no physical or mental torture should be inflicted on them.
seriously...did you people even watch the video? The question isnt about the geneva convention, its about the US constitution. I have a better idea, why dont you do some research... The geneva convention only applies to a formal military (also the soldiers must wear uniforms), not terrorists. Now im not saying that waterboarding is right or wrong, but you guys responding to me are seriously in the dark when it comes to this dicussion...
Terrorists who have no one country and wear no uniform dont get rights under the Geniva convetion. The Libs sure have brainwashed a lot of people here!
No one evern stops to ask..Why the dems care more about the terrorist then the US citizen??
Condemn Double Standards of Human Rights right here at home - "We don't torture" versus it just depends on how you define torture - organ failure and death. Our Constitution applies to only Citizens, Residents and US Persons versus Geneva III and IV (which are treaties we are signatories to).
Screw you milo, you want so hard to spank this country while ignoring what our enemies do.
How are our prisoners treated? THEY HAVE NO PRISONERS, OUR BRAVE TROOPS ARE SHOT, SKINNED, BEHEADED BURNED ETC WHENEVR CAPTURED. SCHOOL KIDS ARE SHOT IN THE BACK!
Because the people, like you believe in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. If we all believed in an eye for an eye we'd all be blind and toothless like you. It's their Red October. They believe (probably rightly so) that the US invaded and is now occupying them to take their oil. Why would they shoot their own school kids???? Nonsense.
I don't find that this is torture. Was it torture when the terrorists hijacked planes and them into the world trade centers and leveling them??? If the only way to obtain information from these bastards is to do something like this, then we should. Have we forgotten already?
brianmef, you are exactly right. The people who disagree aren't morally superior, hell most of them don't even believe in GOd, they just hate America.
Joe Lieberman: "There is something profoundly wrong...when we have elected Democratic officials who seem more worried about how the Bush administration might respond to Iran's murder of our troops, than about the fact that Iran is murdering our troops."
"no one"?? Thinking people like conservatives do. I guess when you say "no one" you speak of the morons for empty suit Obama and the criminal Hillary. Those are your democrat icons now. Can you imagine this great country with one of those idiots(or worse yet Edwards) and pelosi and reid running congress? ROFL!! Which would happen first, a city here being nuked or total collapse of the economy?
Thank God a democrat isn't in the White House yet. Wonder what Hillary's response will be to a 9/11 like attack if she gets into the White House? No doubt she will talk big, pull more troops out of Iraq, and wait for another attack.
Save America by keeping waterboarding harsh and legal!
For nothing? You are the idiot, this is a war against islamic fascism. Sadam had wmd's and it was MUSLI*MS dumbass who atttacked on 9-11 not a fraud for "oil" or whatever the hell you morons believe.
Democrats cannot be trusted with this countries security.
Oh, and I love the "waste" a trillion dollars. Money cannot be better spent than killing muslim terrorist.. What would you use it for, YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T RETURN IT TO IT'S OWNERS? Oh I know 'health care" and "for the children".. You liberals shouldn't be allowed to breath, thank god you'll probably abort yourselves into the ashheap of history.
Yeah, I heard she's actually been planted here by Al-Q and is going to order the attack herself. Look, I voted for Bob Dole over Bill Clinton. I don't want Hillary in the W.H. but wasn't it the Bush Administration who ignored the warning signs and literally did wait for the attack? I'll never forget that image of Dubya just sitting in that school with that "Did I leave the stove on?" look on his face.
After a while, the crying becomes comedic. When did anyone ever give us the idea that the U.S. is altruistic? Never. You act as if you're surprised at what the government has done. Remember the Tuskegee experiment? Grow up and stop being so damn naive.
sorry, when was tuskegee? Why are you libs so damn determined to tear down the greatest country on earth? Are we perfect? NO Were we perfect? NO. But name a better country.
You're not comedic, you're sick. Your liberal professors, PAID BY INSTITUTIONS OF THIS GREATEST COUNTRY OF ALL TIME, have ruined you. Thank them for your attitude.
Here it is ladies and gentlemen: Your Zionist Occupation Government. These Jews are serious too. They've declared America a battlefield and are ready to round people up and torture them at will.
Tuesday, November 6, 2007.... today congress voted Mukasey in as the new attorney general, here we go, let the torturing begin!!! so far by the looks of it, he is a carbon copy of alberto gonzalez, it wont take Mukasey long to lose his memories like alberto gonzalez did! the states will now dive deeper into the darkness of crimes against humanity!
who cares what happens to terrorists I say torture them let em know whats going to happen if they get caught and terrorize the terrorists
TheJasonrox 1 year ago
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David12King 10 months ago
water boarding has been used even in the philippine-american war against the natives --- war just needs to stop
LucentTwinkle 1 year ago
seriously. all you hating Torture! i am also against it, but in extreme situations i think it should be allowed.
-Would you prefer to have 1 terrorist tortured or have 200 innocent people killed?
Take in consideration both views, there's always a balance.
PaddyBcummins 1 year ago
They should have waterboarded Mukasey until he answered the question directly.
borjon23 1 year ago 6
This is illegal period. Especially trying to force answers out of people who have not committed no crimes against this nation! This meeting is a waste of time, and is a staged show to Ok it's use. First off, the war was staged with 911 being more than likely, an inside job. Secondly, they (prisoners) , are probably being silenced in secrete, because they know the truth! It would be shameful to know that our government is silencing people who know the truth, thru torture!
phatdic11 1 year ago
Way too many people are quick to call the Iraqis who shoot at American soldiers "cowards" and "enemies" and "evil".
If Canada decided to invade US for an insufficient reason, and you or I decided to shoot back at them to protect your house from them, would you consider yourself a "coward" or "evil"? No, you're just trying to protect yourself and your family.
Cheney and Bush should be tried and hung for their war crimes and their use of torture on innocent Iraqi civilians.
derektherock42 2 years ago 3
What's wrong with his answer? He doesn't know everything about water boarding, so he doesn't answer. It IS torture, but he didn't know.
DieChavScum 2 years ago 2
@DieChavScum he knows exactly what waterboarding is, hes a liar a coward and a criminal just like the whole bush administration
BumJuiceDrinker 1 year ago
waterboarding is torture, has always been torture... and it`s a war-crime!! bush needs to be prosecuted!!!
log140 2 years ago 25
@log140 blah blah blah. It's torture? So what?! Then let's torture the Hell out of those TERRORISTS! They NEED to be tortured! For one thing, they DO give out information when tortured believe it or not! Secondly, they have no problem torturing their victims. So why do you feel sorry for them you little pansy?
madaboutpolitics 1 year ago
@madaboutpolitics so according to your logic: because they torture, we torture, they kill innocent ppl, so we should kill innocent ppl..
so what is the difference between us and them now??
log140 1 year ago
@log140 Did I say anything about killing innocent people? The difference is that we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. We don't use women and children for shields and we don't use suicide bombers and cowardly tactics like roadside bombs. The difference is that we use precision guided ordinance and do everything we can to prevent collateral damage, while they do everything in their power to kill innocent civilians. That;'s the difference.
madaboutpolitics 1 year ago
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@madaboutpolitics you wrote:
"we are the good guys and they are the bad guys." also from you:
"Then let's torture the Hell out of those TERRORISTS!
They NEED to be tortured!".. very convincing:-)
when these wars started alqueda had around 200 members...
we killed maybe 1 million ppl ... we did a good job to prevent collateral damage...
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giggles1987 2 years ago
Well, that clears things up.
rel124c1 2 years ago
does youbtube ever go a full 24 hours of working properly? god damn.
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You and your sick minded so called soldiers are not better than these fanatics.
In fact your soldiers are worse, because not only they are torturing people but also killing innocent people with no reason, rapping young girls and hide it by killing the victim and her family and burn their bodies.
God Damn it, even animals don't do that
LQQJ 2 years ago
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LQQJ 2 years ago
Even if we are "better" by comparison to terrorists, does that actually make us "good"?
HairPunk 2 years ago
US soldiers doing it are terrorists in the uniforms
i mean, whats the difference between soldiers and terrorists? both fight for their countries, both kill civilians(yes US troops shoot civilians too)
so at the end of the day, theyre not better than those talibans or whatever
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giggles1987 2 years ago
All U.S. soldier's bodies that were recovered after being captured by Al Qaeda all had one thing in common -- lots of drill holes in them. Now I think every one of the morons here complaining about the waterboarding of 3 Al Qaeda terrorists would choose having water poured up their noses to being drilled into multiple times before having their heads sawed off.
When the US military is compared to this enemy, we look like saints.
elvisatemydonuts 2 years ago
I agree with you, but is that the mark of our society? That we compare ourselves to terrorists, and are better than them, so therefore we are good? I would certainly hope not. The reason why we can call the terrorists abhorrent is because we maintain an undeniable moral high ground. IMHO it should be our goal to maintain that stance specifically so that we never have to debate whether or not our behavior is close to that of our enemies.
kbonez2 2 years ago
We "maintain an undeniable moral high ground" and that fact should be painfully obvious. Just the fact that the U.S. would never intentionally target women and children for death (a tactic terrorists are known for) would give us the moral high ground, but there is so much more to our efforts toward decency and honor in these situations.
Only the unbelievably ignorant (or the fools in our media who would report without verification any slander for the sake of ratings) could confuse the two.
elvisatemydonuts 2 years ago
I happen to agree with you, but my point is larger than that. Rather than saying "well what they do is much worse than waterboarding" I would argue that what they do is torture, and we don't do that...period. Maintaining this clear moral distinction requires absolutes on the issue. When one begins debating the merits and depth of one type of torture vs. another you are blurring the line and establishing ambiguities. I believe thats where America needs to make its stand.
kbonez2 2 years ago
"the U.S. would never intentionally target women and children for death "
its been documented that the US has in fact targeted women and children for death. wwll, vietnam and iraq are clear examples. you think "shock and awe" didn't kill women and children and you thing the US didn't know that it was going to? come man, get real.
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giggles1987 2 years ago
What is it with you libs. You think that war is all, 1 shot 1 kill shoot the bad guys and go home? Do you think the marines say "There's a woman shoot her!" No, they don't. When you are fighting cowards who hide in uban areas and shoot from beind civilians. You either die, or shoot at them. It's not like we dropped a stategic nuke on baghdad.
Tacotruck1166 2 years ago
explain to me something
what if you are captured by a mistake?? meaning that you dont have anything to do with terrorists??
and they torture you constantly??
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO???
youre gonna make a false confession that you are a terrorist
btw did you try waterboarding on yourself? so taht you can assure us that drilling is much worse than drowning??
also dont forget that there have been multiple cases of prisoners beaten to death, or in some cases having been cut with knife by US
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LQQJ 2 years ago
Hell, holding your head under water id torture then shit my sister must be a terrorist she tries to drown me all the time. This is gonna end up bad with this whole torture thing now that they are gonna release photos now. And prosecute Bush, seriously. They do that and its gonna be bad for this entire country every president who did what he did will be demonized.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
---what the hell did ANY of that even MEAN? Like i said LEARN ENGLISH if you want to contribute to the "conversation".
DUHHHH...
annebeck58 2 years ago
You know what I'm talking about you miserable fuck. Obviously you do know how do explain the email directly below where you clearly know what i'm telling you. But I can't expect an idiot like you listen to common sense. You people are sick, you live in this country how about showing some allegiance to your country. Even communists believe in their country but you don't support your country.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
ahaha. Miserable fuck? really?
No, I am not miserable, whatseover. It does seem, however, as YOU are losing this argument, YOU are becoming ever more miserable.
YOU have absolutely NO facts to back up what you say. I, on the other hand, DO. I pay attention I research; YOU go off of what FOX news tells you..
phfffttt..
annebeck58 2 years ago
Oh what research you base it on bullshit numbers and body counts. Let me educate something I watch all news and I look at all the facts and both sides before I come to a conclusion. What I've been talking about is based on facts. You base it on every single bullshit fact from NBC. I'm winning this argument. Your the one who's attacking me that shows I one. When insults are your last resort then you lose. I got plenty of facts ask me anything, just don't tell me I wrong cause I know I am.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
Regardless of WHICH American station you watch, you are ONLY given the views of the Zionist/Pharisee.. as is allowed by the Hasbara Project. Please, at least look it up, because the numbers you quote as well as most everything else you have stated, has been DEBUNKED all over the world, except for IN the U.S.
Honestly, this is so tiring.. like "talking" to a brick wall, it is!
annebeck58 2 years ago
No not really cause Im saying that war is hell. No one likes war but as history has shown there are people who wanna kill us in the USA. We have to defend ourselves most Americans don't know that we are still at war. And in war there are no rules. Terrorists aren't fighting for any constitution no mercy, no surrender. So why should we bend over and take. Bush broke no laws in defending our country. Same as Clinton, Bush, JFK, FDR, Hoover, etc. Many presidents have done the same.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
What happened to people these days. Waterboarding is torture? I probably would have electrocuted them. The US is becoming really soft. It's the hippies fault. They are going to destroy this country.
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chasmcrown 2 years ago
How did we get here!
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IlluminousUthra 2 years ago
America prosecuted Japanese soldiers at the end of ww2 for water boarding.
and now they try to protect their own?
no this will not do Mukasey.
You see your economy? The world will wipe your economy off the map if you do not comply with Geneva convention rules !
dave777blaster 2 years ago
It is not up for debate. Waterboarding is classified as torture by virtually every legal, ethical, military and sociology institution in the world outside of the American Republican party.
en.wikipedia (dot) org /wiki/ Waterboarding
It was torture when the Spanish Inquisition did it, it was torture when the Nazis and Soviets did it and it's torture when we do it as well. Even slaveowners used it to torture runaway slaves for information. This is simply GOP hyper-partisan hackery.
A86 2 years ago 2
Good old Sheldon Shithouse from Rhode Island. Land of the liberal freaks who steal from the GT and treat the citizens like dogshit. I digress. Now let me see... they can cut our heads off on camera and we can't give them a fizzy? GET REAL PEOPLE.. I read some of these lame and idiot comments posted here. I don't think waterboarding is enough touture. If you consipire to kill innocent women and children and you get caught? You better fess up or get some water up your nose.
BourneAccident 2 years ago
wwaaaaaaaahhhhh pouring water on my face is torture wwaaaaaaaaaahhhh.
Terrorists who intentionally target children with bombs, their comfort is more important than using advanced techniques to extract info that could save innocent lives.
LibtardsKillYourself 2 years ago
Your crudeness seems to only be exceeded by your ignorance.
shibman1103 2 years ago 2
"wwaaaaaaaahhhhh pouring water on my face is torture wwaaaaaaaaaahhhh."
Making someone deprived of sleep for up to 11 days suck water through a damp cloth until they pass out is torture; deal with it.
"Terrorists who intentionally target children with bombs..."
You don't know if the person you're torturing is a terrorist.
A sure fire way to generate more terrorists and alienate countries who might otherwise be sympathetic is to torture.
soylentgreenb 2 years ago
"You don't know if the person you're torturing is a terrorist."
Actually, when they proudly admit to being a terrorist, it's a safe bet; especially when you combine that with other evidence. See, they didn't just use tough interrogation on every single prisoner, they used it on people like Sheik Khalid Mohd. (admitted Al Quaida).
I just don't believe tough interrogation can be completely ruled out, in some circumstances it could be the only way to save lives.
fahQaszholez 2 years ago
"Making someone deprived of sleep for up to 11 days suck water through a damp cloth until they pass out is torture; deal with it."
wah wah wah wwaaaahhh. I don't give two shits about the comfort of terrorists, these are people who light children on fire, throw acid on women's faces, cut innocent people's heads off, etc., etc. I believe in an eye for an eye. I would like to burn all of these dirtbags alive, like the American Indians did to their enemies.
Being soft is dangerous.....
fahQaszholez 2 years ago
Being illegal is criminal, unconstitutional is unamerican, and tit-for-tat reasoning is childish. Grow up.
lowenklee 2 years ago 2
Its worse than childish.
determinism89 2 years ago
It's stupid, even if not "torture" to some.
It's been PROVEN, by the numbers who have been sent home (after being tortured) that we get NOTHING, worthwhile, as far as information, from those being tortured.
No, if you would like this done to you, I will be happy to oblige. we will then SEE who does the crying!
annebeck58 2 years ago
Your a lyer of course we got info life saving info from these sons of bitches. But you won't hear about that because the media doesn't want you to know that torture works.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
Okay, crazy, YOU stick with that idiotic thought. MY Media goes along with torture, as LONG AS it's the ZIonists doing the torture.
No, we don't like for others to do this (and I am talking about American media-- which I guess YOU know nothing of).. but torture does NOT work.
It's akin to false-confessions.. when people are tortured, they WILL say anything to get the oppressors to STOP doing what they are, including confessing to crimes they have NOT committed.
LOOK it UP, dummy..
annebeck58 2 years ago
There is no other side your wrong thats it torture works. You know how I know cause of the reports of the attacks that were prevented because of this info that they got using waterboarding. And wy do you defend scum like terrorists. These people are expert torturers and interrigators they know when someone is lying DUMMY! Look it up! I'm sick of you people defend terrorists more then the CIA agents who defended your fucking freedom. Where you get the balls to day something like that and no proof
Shadyac21 2 years ago
I don't defend scum.. I do defend people who have been taken from their OWN countries by our military (with NO PROOF) and tortured to garner infomrmation *which is simply NOT true. Why don't YOU look it up? Honestly, for someone who cannot seem to even write in ENGLISH, I do find it humerous that YOU call me a "dummy"..
Hilarious, shady.. Your name (pseudonym) does totally suit YOU..
I DO have proof. I have read the studies-- have YOU? Of course not as YOU hate to be proven wrong! ehhh?
annebeck58 2 years ago
Why do you people iss me off?!
These people were taken off the battlefield captured. You do defend scum you say they are innocent but they are not. Then you say Bush should be prosecuted or others should be held accountable for their actions. For what? What laws did they break. Nothing. They didn't used torture. So stop trying to back up your pathetic argument. You live in this country but you don't defend it. Why don't you get your facts right and stop insulting me, I'm still right.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
If people will say anything to get the torture to stop, it seems to me they can say anything to NOT get tortured. Tell the interrogators false info and you won't suffer any "torture".
Back2BackJack 2 years ago
Waterboardings ok to prevent an attack?
How about wiretapping your phone?
tfustudios 2 years ago
Yes.
And no they never wire tapped people in the US they did across the seas and other places. A judge signed agreement that allowed us to spy on the enemy in other places not the US. Not one American was spyed on, not one person imprisoned by the Patriot act. Except the guilty but no Americans were. Dumbass. Again more smears by the liberal media that trashed Bush every chance they got. What else you wanna know cause I got all day. theres nothing you can say that I haven't heard before.
Shadyac21 2 years ago
So, the NSA would be allowed to wire tap you? We're not talking about guilt here, we're talking about collecting evidence and information to prevent a terrorist attack.
Stop rattling off about 'no Americans were tapped'.
How can you make such a blanket statement like that?
tfustudios 2 years ago
Its torture.
volcomboy71 2 years ago
We hear that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was waterboarded and revealed vital information that saved thousands of lives due to planned attacks. But Democrats want to prosecute people in the Bush administration over this.
Is it too late to prosecute members of the Clinton Administration for killing American citizen children at Waco?
What does this tell you about Democrats?
hhn1000 3 years ago
You don't know if torturing Khalid saved any lives, let alone thousands. You're taking quite a liberty with that statement. You do not know if the plans were imminent and nor do I because those details weren't released. For every guy that gives actual useful intel while being tortured there are many more who just say anything to stop being tortured. Then, as if your previous BS wasn't enough you go Waco? It wasn't too late for the Republican administration to prosecute anybody, yet they didn't.
shibman1103 2 years ago
It was reported that this occurred the info gained from Khalid.. If you don't believe it its your choice. Numerous authorities have declared there was no torture at Gitmo. & as for "administration prosecutions" well let's see if Mr. Obama calls for any over Gitmo. As for the Republican administration you mention, it was a Democrat administration in power when Waco occurred and for sometime afterward. That was a major disaster and a criminal act. Reno a walking thug. Killed children.
hhn1000 2 years ago
It was an accident. There was no criminal act. The order was given to use lethal force only if necessary, and to use flash bangs and non-lethal weapons to help ensure no loss of life. Nobody gave the order to kill children. The ATF used force applicable to the situation. Oh and authorities have admitted to using a technique called waterboarding. That is torture. If you don't believe that then go ask the men of Spanish Inquisition who invented it or the Khmer who borrowed it.
shibman1103 2 years ago
"As for the Republican administration you mention, it was a Democrat administration in power when Waco occurred and for sometime afterward." Bush had a chance and he didn't prosecute. It just makes you look stupid to bring that up in this situation.
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devilstar189 3 years ago
Yes prison is torture, and i did not threaten you i thought u liked the idea of drowning.
YaItsMeSoWhat 3 years ago
I don't think anyone likes the idea of drowning. Nor does anyone like the idea of going to prison. By your criteria, the US government is inflicting cruel and usual punishment on a daily basis simply by detaining for committing a crime.
camalusthegodofwar 3 years ago
All licensed Bar Attorneys in the U.S. owe their allegiance and give their solemn oath in pledge to the Crown Temple, realizing this or not. All Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London. Although they vehemently deny it, all Bar Associations in the U.S. are franchises to the Crown.
neothomist1275 3 years ago
The department of justice have lost credibility, they are the ones breaking the law. according to mukasey the goal justifies the means.
ficote72 3 years ago
This isn't exactly dodging the question. He isn't supposed to have an opinion because it shouldn't matter. As the Attorney General, he is the legal representative of the United States Government. He does not decided if something is constitutional or not, he only prosecutes those who break federal law or infringe on constitutional rights. He doesn't even enforce laws, he just argues for the government's case. So his stance on waterboarding is irrelevent.
camalusthegodofwar 3 years ago
well how can prosecute someone for anything if he cant tell if something is legal or not, i mean isnt comprehending the constitution in Law 101? And yes he is dodging the question, how can you not see through his answer? Is he not entitled to his opinion? Why can't he just state it then? Odd no? well I guess your not too bright if you can't follow what I'm saying.
Heny4563 3 years ago
Okay, I'll do this different way. It's not writing down any where. There is no federal law and no constitutional clause that specifically prohibits waterboarding. A court has to declare it torture first. As a person he has a opinion but at the Atty Gen. he has none. He simply applies the law to cases and cites other cases as precedents. Judges interpret the law. If they declare it torture, he must prosecute whether he thinks it is or not. Tell me, am I being obtuse or did you get it that time?
camalusthegodofwar 3 years ago
It was torture in WWII USA procecuted Japan on it, also in Veitnam USA army service men were also charged for using the same TORTURE.
Has anything changed .... NO .... Torture is still illegal and i think anyone who dissagrees should seriously wonder about their morals and whether they would like to have simulated drowning proformed on them while they are being detained without charges indefinatly.
Wouldnt being in a place like that be bad enough, I think so.
YaItsMeSoWhat 3 years ago 2
Yukio Asano was also guilty of various other forms of torture including beatings and burnings. The trials following WWII were to make sure no one got away clean.
During Vietnam, the one soldier in question was brought up on dereliction charges because he disobeyed direct orders NOT to engage in waterboarding.
The question is not if torture is illegal but if waterboarding is torture. It's not this man's job to decide that. The courts must decide and that decision will be enforced.
camalusthegodofwar 3 years ago
The question is not if torture is illegal but if waterboarding is torture.
Clearly it is so you need to get your morals together. If it is not torture, may i come and do it to you because it sounds like you would quite enjoy me making you feel like your dying.
Remember known symptoms during and following waterboarding are Heart Attack, Inflamation of the lungs, Even death. And the after effects include nightmares and post traumatic stress. Clearly this sounds highly like Torture. If not WHAT?
YaItsMeSoWhat 3 years ago
I'm not saying what waterboarding is. Mukasey isn't allowed to. I simply explianing why he can't. By the way, prisoners can have exactly the same pyschological symptoms and suffer from similar health issues, so is prison torture?
And don't threaten people, you're on the internet. So if, you are not a thirteen year old boy, stop talking like one...
camalusthegodofwar 3 years ago
Mukasey is sorry for saying that. The video ends: "I'm sorry."
raphi72 3 years ago
***Thats why we have to vote for OBAMA because the people in washington are all the same Hillary to, Liars ** OBAMA 08 we need a change in this country for the American people not just the big companies buying our elected officials.
NEMAU1 3 years ago
nah, it's a two party system....it's all the system.
wurlybird9 3 years ago
Don't forget, he gave these crap answers and still got confirmed! It isn't just the lying scumbags fault, congress must share the blame of what has been happening in Washington the last 8 yrs. They approved everything Bush asked for. And the House will approve the retoactive immunity Bush has been asking for in the FISA bill. Don't be shocked when it happens.
stefka3265 4 years ago 2
The Cheney-Bush regime and all their lapdogs in the press have blood on their hands.
freestuffffff 4 years ago 13
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David12King 10 months ago
@David12King Word. Republican:Democrat :: Bad Cop:Good Cop.
freestuffffff 10 months ago
He makes no sense and dodges every single question. Get this scumbag out of here.
He sounds like Rudy Guiliani does anybody else hear the similarities. Deception is all politics. Mukasey do everyone a favor and retire you make aboustly no logical sense that attorney should have. Got hunting with Cheney.
notz72 4 years ago
wELL waterboarding is torture if it is torture and well it is torture so its obviously torture if it was not torture than it would not be torture but since it is torture well its torture! Godbless our big government!
swordslanga 4 years ago 2
Surely the next question should be, "is water boarding torture?"
asumazilla 4 years ago 2
@asumazilla: I agree with you; unfortunately we all know he would have also avoided that question.
Norbert2 4 years ago
You might get him to say whose responsibility it is to decide what is torture eventually.
asumazilla 4 years ago
There isin't one single indivudual in from this criminal administration that does not deserves to be handcuffed and placed behind barrs! From Chenney to Perino! HAGUE 2009!
sacopenapa 4 years ago 3
Disgusting, that he can go up in front of the public and be so dishonest and about something as morally reprehensible as torture to boot.
What happened to America?
pedro898 4 years ago
Waterboarding - If you support its use, chances are you've never had it done to you before. If only it felt as jolly as people made it sound...
rethguals 4 years ago
Find someone that has had it done. Some of our Special Forces guys have. Their opinion is far more valuable than mine or yours. Let me know how it goes.
theunknownknows 3 years ago
It is torture, we are better than this. We're supposed to be setting an example for the rest of the world. I have no problem with arresting terrorists, but, they need to be given the rights that are guaranteed to them in the geneva convention. You can't just go around torturing people that you THINK are terrorists. I would rather be not be safe than to sacrafice freedom.
Polar515 4 years ago 3
Just my thoughts!
rgz500 4 years ago
"he who gives up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety deserve niether and will lose both." me and Mr. Franklin agree with your last sentence.
lawlpally 4 years ago 2
This Debate is SO stupid , who cares if USA tortures terrorist , those assholes would kill every Christian if they had the chance and now we're debating about wheter we SHOULD or NOT should torture some Christian haters ? This is so stupid... do what ever you can to get the info that we need and stop making stupid hippy comments about torture
Areg9 4 years ago
Who cares? Jesus: "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you." (Luke 6:25-28) I care, too.
FreakOfNurture 4 years ago 2
Yes it seems the bible for the conservatives only works when someone else's blood is on the line.I know its not what is intended with this quote of scripture but it shows to go you that most that stand behind this book pick and chose wisely just what parts suits teir agenda.
Alcervic 4 years ago
Of that, there is very sadly no doubt.
FreakOfNurture 4 years ago
This waterboarding is so transparently a tactic by the "Bushco" to silence dissent. As we all know water is not good for wooden boards. It causes warpage and degradation. Who needs wooden boards the most? Of Course, Bob Vila
Who does Bob Vila work for? You guessed it, PBS. Connect the dots people.
MitSretniw2 4 years ago 5
Torture, wiretapping, excessive force, minimizing free speech, invading a sovereign nation, stealing oil, lying to Congress & the American people, ignoring Congressional subpoenas, creating a private army, federalization of the state militia, deregulation of lending laws, and the monopolization of US media... it's all okay so long as you feel safe from terrorists and can buy a pair of shoes at Walmart for $10.
What a pitiful bunch you are.
djjimi 4 years ago 5
yeah, i KNOW it took me a long time to see this and to comment, but YES, I agree, in toto, with YOU.
Thanks for the great comment... hoping MANY will see it and understand!
annebeck58 2 years ago
waterboarding is torture. it involves intentionally drowning a person, filling their lungs with water. it is immoral. we should not do it to terrorists. in fact, waterboarding is a form of terrorism. judge mukasey should be ashamed of himself for evading the question, and providing tacit cover for the administration's use of waterboarding.
wanderingwill1 4 years ago
Wanderingwill1_ No water enters the lungs! I think it is you mis-led. Its disgusting those who cry torture for a terrorist...I dont hear crys of outrage for the 5 REAL toture chambers found recently in Iraqi. So many blind and brainwashed people!!
fresian2007 4 years ago
It saddens me that we cannot agree on the facts of the matter. In fact, waterboarding involves forcing water down someone's nose and throat, which eventually fills the lungs. Waterboarding disgusts me because it is real torture and real terrorism. Instead of getting mad at me for describing waterboarding, please carefully consider the act of waterboarding.
wanderingwill1 4 years ago 3
Typical Jew lawyer.
YOURMOMSSPUNK 4 years ago
Okay, in my opinion, water boarding is torture, but I have nothing wrong with torture on the terrorists. I agree with Freesian, why don't we look at the Democrats who want the terrorists to be treated like anyone else. They don't deserve it! Period.
God Bless America (yes, I said God) and her troops.
ppierce366 4 years ago
Only two things wrong with that:
1. Torture is not effective in matters of interogation. Ask ANY expert on the subject.
2. Torture is not only against US law, it is also against International law. In other words, if WE don't prosecute those in our military who torture, as well as those who order it, they will likely be tried as war criminals at some point.
djjimi 4 years ago 4
Not many people have died from bamboo shoots under the fingernails either. Does that make it not torture?
Ethoxyethane 4 years ago 3
Waterboarding is not torture..such a gross misuse of the word. And who gives a damb about terrorists? Daniel Perls killer was one who was waterboarded..Think I give a damb..Hell no!!!
fresian2007 4 years ago
Damn has a silent "n," not a silent "b." You're thinking of lamb. Dumbass.
doridoridrifto 4 years ago 2
stfu if u have nothing to say other than correcting their spellings biactcccch
chanmenh 4 years ago
I wish someone would waterboard you. What a little bitch.
doridoridrifto 4 years ago 2
This is the shit that governs me and mine ???????? What a MORON neocon this man is. Dont Know??? Are you sure this guy is alive?
rrgaul 4 years ago
This is even better than that smash hit "I don't recall"
YourSuperiorSays 4 years ago
Don't torture terrorists (Bush's word for tourists), just feed them bacon. THROUGH THEIR NOSE.
DancingSpiderman 4 years ago
If you gave me the Attorney general to hold as a prisoner, I bet I could waterboard him into saying thats a good idea!
coyel 4 years ago 3
and then after you've done that, THEN you will feed him bacon, thru his nose
DancingSpiderman 4 years ago
Since WHEN did surfing become a torture? Ask the surfer dude...DUUUUuuude... It's not torture, it's a way of life!
Surfs up, dudes!
DancingSpiderman 4 years ago
Since when does one play fair in war? You have to fight terror with terror. Do you think anyone is afraid of waterboarding now?
jarvis1211 4 years ago
I strongly disagree. You should NOT fight terror with terror. If you do, the question becomes: who started it, who was the first to use terror? To that question there are no answers and you lose all the justification for your actions.
If you start compromising your morals, the terrorists have already won, because the morals are, after all, the thing that separates you from them.
grooveholmes99 4 years ago 2
Does it save American lives? Thats what it all boils down to.
jarvis1211 4 years ago
Someone being tortured will provide inaccurate information. They are going to say whatever it takes whether true or untrue for it to stop. So in the end it doesn't say lives. It only makes America look bad lowering ourselves to the level of those we are fighting.
timg455 4 years ago 6
since when did the constitution apply to terrorists?
taymacjack 4 years ago
You are a fucking moron or a sadist if you truly believe that.
"Since when did human rights apply to enemies? Enemies after all, are not people, they are enemies." ...Sick.
TAKENnameARGH 4 years ago
well im pretty sure beheading, gassing, and suicide bombing is against someones human rights as well,correct? Its all about proportionality...anyways...Your so quick to call me names. When did i ever say waterboarding wasnt against human rights? try some critical thinking for once. The only reason i say that is because that is how they get away with using it. The constitution does not apply to everyone around the world, only us citizens.
taymacjack 4 years ago
So the constitution bans us citizens from using torture. How do they get away with it ? TAKEN is right, you are a moron sir for not thinking of that very simple fact. Please don't talk about the constitution anymore, it's out of your league
goomba000 4 years ago
Alright, neither of you live in the united states. Obviously neither of you know anything about the US Constitution. Find me one sentence in the constitution that bans "torture". Thats right, you cant. I bet neither of you have even read the constitution. Is this why you call me names and mock me? because you have no idea what you are talking about?
taymacjack 4 years ago
***The constitution does not apply to everyone around the world, only us citizens.***
but the geneva convention does
leone2tube 4 years ago
what the hell does that have to do with waterboarding being constitutional?
taymacjack 4 years ago
do some research for fucks sake, there's more to this world than your precious constitution. the US has signed the Geneva Convention. It says POW's should be treaten humanely, and no physical or mental torture should be inflicted on them.
leone2tube 4 years ago 2
seriously...did you people even watch the video? The question isnt about the geneva convention, its about the US constitution. I have a better idea, why dont you do some research... The geneva convention only applies to a formal military (also the soldiers must wear uniforms), not terrorists. Now im not saying that waterboarding is right or wrong, but you guys responding to me are seriously in the dark when it comes to this dicussion...
taymacjack 4 years ago
its about torture
leone2tube 4 years ago
no its about torture being constitutional.
taymacjack 4 years ago
Terrorists who have no one country and wear no uniform dont get rights under the Geniva convetion. The Libs sure have brainwashed a lot of people here!
No one evern stops to ask..Why the dems care more about the terrorist then the US citizen??
fresian2007 4 years ago
"Terrorists who have no one country and wear no uniform dont get rights under the Geniva convetion."
Absolutely INCORRECT. Stop watching FOX news and paroting their diatribe. It makes you sound like an idiot.
djjimi 4 years ago 2
Educate yourself!!!
fresian2007 4 years ago
Well those who are doing what is unconstitutional are not the terrorists. They are Americans.
timg455 4 years ago 3
someone strap mukasey to a board and waterboard him and then unstrap him and ask him his opinion on waterboarding,
F4O4U4R4S 4 years ago 3
Why? he's not a terrorist. I say we pull finger nails, then skin, then shoot. Kind of like what they do, hey what's good for the goose...
demliars 4 years ago
Ugh, go back to own country or whatever rock your anscenstors crawled out of before they came here to America.
majordbag2 4 years ago
Condemn Double Standards of Human Rights right here at home - "We don't torture" versus it just depends on how you define torture - organ failure and death. Our Constitution applies to only Citizens, Residents and US Persons versus Geneva III and IV (which are treaties we are signatories to).
milofonbil 4 years ago
Screw you milo, you want so hard to spank this country while ignoring what our enemies do.
How are our prisoners treated? THEY HAVE NO PRISONERS, OUR BRAVE TROOPS ARE SHOT, SKINNED, BEHEADED BURNED ETC WHENEVR CAPTURED. SCHOOL KIDS ARE SHOT IN THE BACK!
demliars 4 years ago
Because the people, like you believe in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. If we all believed in an eye for an eye we'd all be blind and toothless like you. It's their Red October. They believe (probably rightly so) that the US invaded and is now occupying them to take their oil. Why would they shoot their own school kids???? Nonsense.
milofonbil 4 years ago
I don't find that this is torture. Was it torture when the terrorists hijacked planes and them into the world trade centers and leveling them??? If the only way to obtain information from these bastards is to do something like this, then we should. Have we forgotten already?
brianmef 4 years ago
brianmef, you are exactly right. The people who disagree aren't morally superior, hell most of them don't even believe in GOd, they just hate America.
demliars 4 years ago
Joe Lieberman: "There is something profoundly wrong...when we have elected Democratic officials who seem more worried about how the Bush administration might respond to Iran's murder of our troops, than about the fact that Iran is murdering our troops."
demliars 4 years ago
no one take Lieberman Seriously. He's another Zell Miller.
milofonbil 4 years ago
"no one"?? Thinking people like conservatives do. I guess when you say "no one" you speak of the morons for empty suit Obama and the criminal Hillary. Those are your democrat icons now. Can you imagine this great country with one of those idiots(or worse yet Edwards) and pelosi and reid running congress? ROFL!! Which would happen first, a city here being nuked or total collapse of the economy?
demliars 4 years ago
Thank God a democrat isn't in the White House yet. Wonder what Hillary's response will be to a 9/11 like attack if she gets into the White House? No doubt she will talk big, pull more troops out of Iraq, and wait for another attack.
Save America by keeping waterboarding harsh and legal!
Gillz17 4 years ago
Maybe she will kill thousands of Iraqis for WMDs that don't exist, waste $1 trillion, and kill almost 4,000 U.S. service members for nothing.
You fucking idiot.
bushthebigidiot 4 years ago
For nothing? You are the idiot, this is a war against islamic fascism. Sadam had wmd's and it was MUSLI*MS dumbass who atttacked on 9-11 not a fraud for "oil" or whatever the hell you morons believe.
Democrats cannot be trusted with this countries security.
demliars 4 years ago
Oh, and I love the "waste" a trillion dollars. Money cannot be better spent than killing muslim terrorist.. What would you use it for, YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T RETURN IT TO IT'S OWNERS? Oh I know 'health care" and "for the children".. You liberals shouldn't be allowed to breath, thank god you'll probably abort yourselves into the ashheap of history.
demliars 4 years ago
Yeah, I heard she's actually been planted here by Al-Q and is going to order the attack herself. Look, I voted for Bob Dole over Bill Clinton. I don't want Hillary in the W.H. but wasn't it the Bush Administration who ignored the warning signs and literally did wait for the attack? I'll never forget that image of Dubya just sitting in that school with that "Did I leave the stove on?" look on his face.
eomk 4 years ago
Waterboarding never was legal.
You must not understand the Golden Rule. "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
milofonbil 4 years ago
After a while, the crying becomes comedic. When did anyone ever give us the idea that the U.S. is altruistic? Never. You act as if you're surprised at what the government has done. Remember the Tuskegee experiment? Grow up and stop being so damn naive.
sorryifithurts 4 years ago
sorry, when was tuskegee? Why are you libs so damn determined to tear down the greatest country on earth? Are we perfect? NO Were we perfect? NO. But name a better country.
You're not comedic, you're sick. Your liberal professors, PAID BY INSTITUTIONS OF THIS GREATEST COUNTRY OF ALL TIME, have ruined you. Thank them for your attitude.
demliars 4 years ago
let this be recorded for eternity, the shame that is the US in 2007.
"if it's torture it's unconstitutional"... wow, what a puppet
i can't believe these IDIOTS will approve this guy
britoca 4 years ago
rofl why can't you just answer a simple question? It's yes or no.
duba3988 4 years ago
He treated it like the question was "do you still beat your wife?"
milofonbil 4 years ago
Here it is ladies and gentlemen: Your Zionist Occupation Government. These Jews are serious too. They've declared America a battlefield and are ready to round people up and torture them at will.
Wizard364 4 years ago
Tuesday, November 6, 2007.... today congress voted Mukasey in as the new attorney general, here we go, let the torturing begin!!! so far by the looks of it, he is a carbon copy of alberto gonzalez, it wont take Mukasey long to lose his memories like alberto gonzalez did! the states will now dive deeper into the darkness of crimes against humanity!
F4O4U4R4S 4 years ago