I saw the cover of this game in the pre-played section of some game shop. Didn't buy it, it was in Spanish for some reason, but it looked awesome, so now I'm here.
AND IT LOOKS EVEN MORE AWESOME! OMG! THIS GAME LOOKS COOL!
@whaowman fuck Chuck Norris and every retard who thinks he's a comedian because of that bearded fuck. You're a humorless cunt and I hope your first child dies in your arms.
the elder god is a parasite that thrives on death and hase the power to grant life so in a sense he is self sustained except for by the immortal vampires their lives and souls cant feed him anymore
i dont think raziel was ever reborn. he survived the abyss because he was the chosen one. the elder god was afraid of why this happened. so he led raziel to believe that he gave him life again.
How was the Elder God a parasite? what did he do in more concrete terms? I've become interested in this game's plotline but I just can't piece together why the Elder God is the main antagonist of the series. Why is he a cancer? what's his purpose?
@menaname123 The ancient vampires worshipped him as a god, before they were cursed with immortality. When they (and everyone else) dies, it's him and his 'Wheel of Fate' that essentially causes their reincarnation - the 'inexorable cycle of birth, death, and rebirth' that keeps coming up. The Hylden cursed the vampires with immortality, removing them from this cycle and, in effect, from the Elder God's favor, causing them to become what they are now.
@menaname123 Raziel later learns (in SR1) that he's not, in fact, a benevolent god-figure, he's a parasite - he has his minions collect the souls of the dead, which he essentially feeds on - it's never established concretely whether he's responsible for their rebirth or not, but his power is obviously far less than what you'd consider a god to have, as is evidenced by his inability to just, you know, smite Raziel down, or escape Kain at the end of Defiance.
@Joudas Thanks for the answer, some more plot digging notably with the Hylden murals has made me consider the Hylden to be the true ''protagonists'' of the story. At least they were originally, and who can blame them for becoming a bit sour after eons of imprisonment in the Demon realm? makes me regard both the gullible, foolish and arrogant Vampires and the Elder God they served in the same negative light. Janos really didn't deserve better than to be banished to the Demon realm himself.
@Joudas I think that's what's part of the beauty of the plot too. We're taught that the Sarafan are no better than genocidal assholes, but that's exactly what the ancient Vampires were as well. They essentially wanted to enslave the world to their appointed god, which they had no clue what it even was - but they did know the kind of spiritual slavery it meant to serve it. Despicable race really, self-righteous about their cause to the end (Janos).
@Joudas that's what makes the story so fascinating the fact that is geniously constructed even tough not all is explained it let's you figure out some things ( wich in the end we may not guess for sure ) .... mystery is what i loved in this series .
@menaname123 Basically he's a being that feeds on souls , thust the whole "life and death and rebirth" bit. When the Hylden cursed the Vampires with eternal life, they removed him from the Elder Gods grasp. Since they could not die, they could not be fed upon and thus they were forsaken. tl:dr: he's a parasite that feeds on the souls of the dead but can't feed on the souls of those that never die
Similar voices but different guys, the actor from Terminaor is an american called James Earl Boen while the voice actor of the Elder god was an american actor/voice actor called Tony Jay.
"I am the engine of life, devourer of death"?!! More like "engine of blah blah blah, devourer of shit". Really, theElder knows only to confuse anyone with his nonsense. At least Raziel mocks him very nice and funny.
i haven't realize that raziel arrived in Blood omen 2, Raziel said that Ariel was bound to the pillars by a century ago, so it's probable that raziel get to the time when the kain fight the seraphan lord for the first time, that's why moebius send him to this corrupted era.
Actually, Blood Omen 2 was made by a paradox started at the end of Soul Reaver 2. And the period he goes to after the first time period is actually 70 years after Blood Omen 1, whereas Blood Omen 2 was 400 years and a parallel timeline after Blood Omen 1.
Raziel was never intended to fight the Sarafan Lord, nor to arrive in the Hylden-ruled Blood Omen 2 era. It was Young Kain who was to battle the Sarafan Lord.
I dearly hope one day we see what quest Old Kain embarks on after Defiance.
And there they are... the symbols of the Reavers... and even the Spirit Symbol is there, in the very centre of the room... And to think that the true meaning of all those symbols would only be revealed in Defiance, and there we had them! Plain for us to see! hahahaha.
I love Soul Reaver 2. It is my favorite game of the series. D.R.
I dont get it guys, if Elder God's goals are similar to the ones of the Hylden, I mean he too is an enemy to vampires, why does he wants for Kain to die ? If I read stuff correctly Kain's death would make the pillars a "seal" to protect Nosgoth from realm of Hylden.
Actually if if i recall from the information in Defiance, the hylden cursed the vampires to be separated from the god's wheel of life, thus depriving him of food. They both hate the vampires but their means of attacking them are different.
Indeed. The Elder God loves no race. He hates them all. He does not care if the Hylden come or go, for he can make prey of them, eventually. But his true intention is to erradicate vampires, for their souls are trapped within their bodies an cannot feed the Wheel... and even worse, they can turn other humans into vampires, thus spreading the "desease". D.R.
"Or maybe you're just hungry. Could it be as simple as that? Wouldn't that be poetic irony? The great advisary of the vampires turns out to be the biggest parasite of them all".
@Neowolf882 there were plenty of cash ins even at the earliest days of gaming, however...now they are more advertised because the industry is outgrowing the movie industry
@dessan18 True but I never noticed cause I was young,back then there were games like armored core,this game,metal gear etc etc before alot of games were complete shit and complete cash ins,nowadays it's like "oh hey movies coming out were gonna make a shitty game and release it a day before the movie"
@Neowolf882 well you were young then so this generation of kids may think the same way you did as a kid. keep in mind what they will say in their future
@eftultima I was about 11-13 when I played these games I learned words I didn't even know and this was before online multiplayer (if I'm remembering correctly) now its just 12 year olds yelling "FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" over a xbox mic =\
actually what it really is is that he is a parasite who's tentacles are embedded in the entire land of nosgoth and his main body is at the center of the world so based on that he can be everywhere all at once.
It's only complex when you don't pay attention during the cut-scenes. I reckon a lot of people didn't actually listen to the dialogue. Also, it helps to play all the games in order in a relatively short period of time. If you wait too long between games you'll simply forgot a lot of vital information.
The story isn't confusing, it's just complex. It requires retention and comprehension. I remember being surprised when I heard there were many who found the story "confusing". That's what happens when most entertainment is dumbed down.
The Elder God is a God :P He somehow invaded Nosgoth aeons ago, and like Raziel says, he's the cancer and the catalyst of everything bad that is happening, just to feed himself
Thing is, they never do explain it. For now, I take that he is the controller of most fate-- the director and consumer of souls-- in the land of nosgoth in that certain dimension but not in others.
It seems to me that he has not full control of the Wheel of Fate, since he says the vampires souls stay in their corpses and stopping the circle of life.
Seems like he needs souls for "fuel" for the Wheel, or to enhance himself to use it.
I haven't played Defiance in a few years, but I don't remember the Hylden/Elder God connection, if there is one (besides the one I just presumed above).
Could you remind me if the Hylden's relationship to the Elder God was mentioned in Defiance?
the elder was worshipped by the ancients but the hlyden wanted to be immortal and outside of the wheel and the elder told the ancients to make war with them
I saw the cover of this game in the pre-played section of some game shop. Didn't buy it, it was in Spanish for some reason, but it looked awesome, so now I'm here.
AND IT LOOKS EVEN MORE AWESOME! OMG! THIS GAME LOOKS COOL!
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zonilo1 2 months ago
What a great story!
SPOONS487 3 months ago
This game should be on PSN. :)
Inuboy1000 4 months ago
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Elder God seems to be doesn't afraid anything. But there's actually someone scares him shitless: Chuck Norris.
whaowman 4 months ago
@whaowman Are we seriously still making Chuck Norris jokes? I just lost some faith in the internet.
Joudas 4 months ago 9
@whaowman fuck Chuck Norris and every retard who thinks he's a comedian because of that bearded fuck. You're a humorless cunt and I hope your first child dies in your arms.
batmanpronz 2 months ago
@batmanpronz I hope that too.
whaowman 2 months ago
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whaowman 4 months ago
Haha, at 2:39 when he looks at screen, he's like "Plz, tell me he's kidding. I don't fucking believe it!"
0r3k 10 months ago
Tony Jay. Perhaps one of the greatest voice actors of all time :)
maligna13 11 months ago 5
the elder god is a parasite that thrives on death and hase the power to grant life so in a sense he is self sustained except for by the immortal vampires their lives and souls cant feed him anymore
angelmorpheus 11 months ago
i dont think raziel was ever reborn. he survived the abyss because he was the chosen one. the elder god was afraid of why this happened. so he led raziel to believe that he gave him life again.
cripbuddz 1 year ago
How was the Elder God a parasite? what did he do in more concrete terms? I've become interested in this game's plotline but I just can't piece together why the Elder God is the main antagonist of the series. Why is he a cancer? what's his purpose?
menaname123 1 year ago
@menaname123 The ancient vampires worshipped him as a god, before they were cursed with immortality. When they (and everyone else) dies, it's him and his 'Wheel of Fate' that essentially causes their reincarnation - the 'inexorable cycle of birth, death, and rebirth' that keeps coming up. The Hylden cursed the vampires with immortality, removing them from this cycle and, in effect, from the Elder God's favor, causing them to become what they are now.
Joudas 1 year ago
@Joudas So does the Elder God favor the Hylden over the Ancient Vampires than??
BlamefulEye36 1 month ago
@menaname123 Raziel later learns (in SR1) that he's not, in fact, a benevolent god-figure, he's a parasite - he has his minions collect the souls of the dead, which he essentially feeds on - it's never established concretely whether he's responsible for their rebirth or not, but his power is obviously far less than what you'd consider a god to have, as is evidenced by his inability to just, you know, smite Raziel down, or escape Kain at the end of Defiance.
Joudas 1 year ago 8
@Joudas Thanks for the answer, some more plot digging notably with the Hylden murals has made me consider the Hylden to be the true ''protagonists'' of the story. At least they were originally, and who can blame them for becoming a bit sour after eons of imprisonment in the Demon realm? makes me regard both the gullible, foolish and arrogant Vampires and the Elder God they served in the same negative light. Janos really didn't deserve better than to be banished to the Demon realm himself.
menaname123 1 year ago
@Joudas I think that's what's part of the beauty of the plot too. We're taught that the Sarafan are no better than genocidal assholes, but that's exactly what the ancient Vampires were as well. They essentially wanted to enslave the world to their appointed god, which they had no clue what it even was - but they did know the kind of spiritual slavery it meant to serve it. Despicable race really, self-righteous about their cause to the end (Janos).
menaname123 1 year ago
@Joudas that's what makes the story so fascinating the fact that is geniously constructed even tough not all is explained it let's you figure out some things ( wich in the end we may not guess for sure ) .... mystery is what i loved in this series .
Cobac 1 year ago
@menaname123 Basically he's a being that feeds on souls , thust the whole "life and death and rebirth" bit. When the Hylden cursed the Vampires with eternal life, they removed him from the Elder Gods grasp. Since they could not die, they could not be fed upon and thus they were forsaken. tl:dr: he's a parasite that feeds on the souls of the dead but can't feed on the souls of those that never die
juggalosqueaks 9 months ago
I loved the outtakes of this scene.
"Wouldn't that be oetic irony? The great advisary of the vampires turns out to be the biggest arasite of them." XP
Darkman9000 1 year ago
if god exist looks and act like that
MrEnricoforelli 1 year ago
How did Cthulhu get down there?
Gannok130 2 years ago 2
Elder God: I am the Engine of Life, the source of Nosgoth's very existence. I am the hub of the Wheel, the origin of all Life, the devourer of Death.
ME: Nah. You are just an old oversized giant squid that gets greedy with every bite.
xiondrac9800 2 years ago
what happened to Raziel's voice?
Achernarzero 2 years ago
that guy voiced frollo in the hunchback of notre dame
TheAmazingOzzy 2 years ago 3
I thought that was Nosgoth's past right after the pillars were corrupted, not the future.
jodalita 2 years ago
i bet the elder god is the one who acted the dr in terminator series..
kespec 2 years ago
Similar voices but different guys, the actor from Terminaor is an american called James Earl Boen while the voice actor of the Elder god was an american actor/voice actor called Tony Jay.
MrRobertSama 2 years ago
I think Earl Boen did the voice of Hylden Lord in Blood Omen 2.
Jermyn78 2 years ago
True he did.
MrRobertSama 2 years ago
thanks for the info
kespec 2 years ago
Tony Jay was English
RobWyld 2 years ago
@RobWyld Yeah that was a typo, im english too. :)
MrRobertSama 2 years ago
@MrRobertSama Heh fair enough. Sorry about replying to a 4 month comment, I just don't always read them when I see a video :P
RobWyld 2 years ago
maybe the elder really is the hub of the wheel but has been corrupted with power and is slowly corruptin the world to fuel himself
thinkigotta 2 years ago
the elder god was definately inspired by lovecraft.
gaffneyyy 2 years ago 4
without a doubt
Miseracord 2 years ago
"I am the engine of life, devourer of death"?!! More like "engine of blah blah blah, devourer of shit". Really, theElder knows only to confuse anyone with his nonsense. At least Raziel mocks him very nice and funny.
supereldinho 2 years ago 11
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i prefferred raziel in soul reaver 1 cause he had bigger eyes
RatchetClankFan1996 2 years ago
hey where is his infinite eye ball, oh yeah they didnt make up that part of the story yet to tie him to mortanius.
Acuraintegraman1 2 years ago
i haven't realize that raziel arrived in Blood omen 2, Raziel said that Ariel was bound to the pillars by a century ago, so it's probable that raziel get to the time when the kain fight the seraphan lord for the first time, that's why moebius send him to this corrupted era.
well that's what i think... what do you think?
Phovoz 3 years ago
Actually, Blood Omen 2 was made by a paradox started at the end of Soul Reaver 2. And the period he goes to after the first time period is actually 70 years after Blood Omen 1, whereas Blood Omen 2 was 400 years and a parallel timeline after Blood Omen 1.
Raziel was never intended to fight the Sarafan Lord, nor to arrive in the Hylden-ruled Blood Omen 2 era. It was Young Kain who was to battle the Sarafan Lord.
I dearly hope one day we see what quest Old Kain embarks on after Defiance.
GmodPlusWoW 3 years ago 4
have you read the Latter Days??
linikratyo 2 years ago
Nope. Don't even know what it is.
GmodPlusWoW 2 years ago
Haha, that bastard "god" is rotting at the bottom of the pillars.
reaver447 3 years ago 2
And there they are... the symbols of the Reavers... and even the Spirit Symbol is there, in the very centre of the room... And to think that the true meaning of all those symbols would only be revealed in Defiance, and there we had them! Plain for us to see! hahahaha.
I love Soul Reaver 2. It is my favorite game of the series. D.R.
Hasfast 3 years ago
As your agent i am beyond death.
Brilliant line!
Mercuriussnake 3 years ago 3
I dont get it guys, if Elder God's goals are similar to the ones of the Hylden, I mean he too is an enemy to vampires, why does he wants for Kain to die ? If I read stuff correctly Kain's death would make the pillars a "seal" to protect Nosgoth from realm of Hylden.
WhiteDeVil3 3 years ago
Actually if if i recall from the information in Defiance, the hylden cursed the vampires to be separated from the god's wheel of life, thus depriving him of food. They both hate the vampires but their means of attacking them are different.
Lefty001 3 years ago
Indeed. The Elder God loves no race. He hates them all. He does not care if the Hylden come or go, for he can make prey of them, eventually. But his true intention is to erradicate vampires, for their souls are trapped within their bodies an cannot feed the Wheel... and even worse, they can turn other humans into vampires, thus spreading the "desease". D.R.
Hasfast 3 years ago 3
"Or maybe you're just hungry. Could it be as simple as that? Wouldn't that be poetic irony? The great advisary of the vampires turns out to be the biggest parasite of them all".
Brilliant!
SpotlessBrand 3 years ago 49
Go now.
Play out your pitiful rebellion, and take your place among the destroyed, the used, and the damned.
But know this you are mine for eternity.
You have always been, and will always be, my soul reaver...
linikratyo 2 years ago 7
@SpotlessBrand
Mhmm this game series was badass..this was when games were brilliant and great instead of just cash ins
Neowolf882 1 year ago
@Neowolf882 there were plenty of cash ins even at the earliest days of gaming, however...now they are more advertised because the industry is outgrowing the movie industry
dessan18 1 year ago
@dessan18 True but I never noticed cause I was young,back then there were games like armored core,this game,metal gear etc etc before alot of games were complete shit and complete cash ins,nowadays it's like "oh hey movies coming out were gonna make a shitty game and release it a day before the movie"
Neowolf882 1 year ago
@Neowolf882 well you were young then so this generation of kids may think the same way you did as a kid. keep in mind what they will say in their future
eftultima 1 year ago
@eftultima I was about 11-13 when I played these games I learned words I didn't even know and this was before online multiplayer (if I'm remembering correctly) now its just 12 year olds yelling "FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" over a xbox mic =\
Neowolf882 1 year ago
@dessan18 with shitty writing and gameplay,series like legacy of kain were great because when you hear main characters talk like Raziel does?
Neowolf882 1 year ago
@SpotlessBrand Scarier, bigger and better voiced than Galactus
asurasyn 6 months ago
Hmmm, I thought the elder god was stationary. Is he able to move around slowly?
Shadyhunter04 3 years ago
well maybe hes bigger than we think
coolcat2994 3 years ago
Yeah, I think he's got his tentacles all over the place. Ticklin' ankles willy nilly.
ResidentOgden730 3 years ago
actually what it really is is that he is a parasite who's tentacles are embedded in the entire land of nosgoth and his main body is at the center of the world so based on that he can be everywhere all at once.
Kglover485 2 years ago 4
I agree...but what if Elder god is replaced by Elder Tony Jay?....and what would happand if Raziel has an clone?
CandyCao7 3 years ago
I think James Earl Jones would be perfect to replace Tony Jay.
AvalonWolf 3 years ago
no one can ever replace him
monkeyman767 3 years ago
This Cthulhu thing is a big liar XD
transon 4 years ago 3
Rest in peace Tony Jay :(
Greensmurf 4 years ago 3
Tony Jay cant die. He is the hub of all creation. He is the engine of the wheel of fate.
powerfulnun 4 years ago 104
Oh yeah. Phew
Greensmurf 4 years ago
LOL! +1 to you, Nun.
BaronDavisPwns 4 years ago
he was an awesome voice actor D: hes like a legendary actor in my eyes D:
RIP TJ
"there are fates worse than death Raziel..."
kobrakaiX 4 years ago 4
You're awesome, nun. No one could have said it better.
crazy88boss 3 years ago
@powerfulnun AND HE IS JUST NOT THE ELDER GOD. HE IS THE ELDEST GOD MONARCH OF ALL THE ELDEST GODS.
xiondrac9800 1 year ago
@powerfulnun
He exist in places you cannot find! ^^
SolidMike84 1 year ago
It's only complex when you don't pay attention during the cut-scenes. I reckon a lot of people didn't actually listen to the dialogue. Also, it helps to play all the games in order in a relatively short period of time. If you wait too long between games you'll simply forgot a lot of vital information.
ChiefPoopypants 5 years ago
the story IS complex thats the beauty of it. but I'll agree its CONFUSING if you dont listen to the dialogue but that should go without saying.
krowned592 5 years ago 2
I know what you mean. Ive seen so many people who didnt pay attention and somehow think theres multiple Reavers
Greensmurf 4 years ago
Not to correct you, but just to elaborate on your point:
Blood Reaver: The Soul Reaver before it devoured Raziel.
Soul Reaver: The Blood Reaver after it devoured Raziel. This also the EG's "nickname" for Raziel.
Wraith Blade: When the Soul Reaver was destroyed in Soul Reaver 1, the wraith blade was released and attached to Raziel in the Spectral Realm.
Fire Reaver: The Soul Reaver imbued with fire.
Spirit Reaver: The Soul Reaver imbued with the souls of Ariel and her predecessors.
RednessAlpha 3 years ago
That's right. Its basically different versions of the same blade.
Greensmurf 3 years ago
Yeah. The Blood Reaver is the most basic form.
RednessAlpha 3 years ago 2
The story isn't confusing, it's just complex. It requires retention and comprehension. I remember being surprised when I heard there were many who found the story "confusing". That's what happens when most entertainment is dumbed down.
djvillain 5 years ago 3
U tell them. (But personally I still don't understand the 'Elder's' origins).
Orumon27 4 years ago
The Elder God is a God :P He somehow invaded Nosgoth aeons ago, and like Raziel says, he's the cancer and the catalyst of everything bad that is happening, just to feed himself
Anihime 3 years ago
Thing is, they never do explain it. For now, I take that he is the controller of most fate-- the director and consumer of souls-- in the land of nosgoth in that certain dimension but not in others.
Shadyhunter04 3 years ago
It seems to me that he has not full control of the Wheel of Fate, since he says the vampires souls stay in their corpses and stopping the circle of life.
Seems like he needs souls for "fuel" for the Wheel, or to enhance himself to use it.
Yarghvid 3 years ago
Right, the existence of vampires threatens his control of fate.
Thus, the Elder God may be pro-Hylden. Hmm.
ResidentOgden730 3 years ago
its kinda explained in defiance, that it was actually the elder god that was a parasite not only the vampires
monkeyman767 3 years ago
I haven't played Defiance in a few years, but I don't remember the Hylden/Elder God connection, if there is one (besides the one I just presumed above).
Could you remind me if the Hylden's relationship to the Elder God was mentioned in Defiance?
ResidentOgden730 3 years ago
no it was kinda that the elder god was anti everything but himself and used raziel just to further bolster his collection of souls
monkeyman767 3 years ago
the elder was worshipped by the ancients but the hlyden wanted to be immortal and outside of the wheel and the elder told the ancients to make war with them
thinkigotta 2 years ago
The story can get quite confusing at times.
kevo388 5 years ago