Phil Valentine loses a debate on Global Warming

[Joelohim777]

This is the fake phil valentine. Check out the real Dr. Phil Valentine.

[zibianstein]

@Joelohim777 - I don't allow irrelevant comments. Thanks for visiting though.

[Faelsun]

You conservative fucks are goddamned morons you know that right? I laugh at this retard trying to get his god is great, global warming is fake movie released. He will be lucky if the POS goes straight to video.

[Faelsun]

Right a scam like other scams created by liberals using science based on the Greenhouse effect. Its not like man can create an artificial situation to effect the earth and biological matter in ANY way, thus you can say that liberals are fooling you poor conservatives into thinking that a greenhouse can work. What it really is, is a liberal plot to get conservatives to buy more glass. Chernobyl another liberal plot to fool us into thinking manmade radiation can effect us. But YOU know better.

[Faelsun]

Well lets get to the meat of the issue which is can man effect his environment, under Phil logic Chernobyl is just mother nature warming the dirt for a few hundred thousand years. And by the way the Green house effect and the beginning science behind global warming was started in the 19th century by a few notable scientists, global warming is the effect not the term. Bottom line if you dont think man made global warming is possible you dont think a greenhouse can work, conservative logic.

[zibianstein]

@virgogreg Sorry buddy. I've already stated in this thread that you must have something to say with "one iota of intelligence" or it gets deleted. I don't mind you thinking it's a scam. But that statement doesn't prove that it's a scam just because you say that it is. As far as you thinking it's a 'tax grab' how much has it cost me in taxes? Nothing. And, you're saying that scientists in 1958* were just trying to tax you? Rofl. *youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7G­Fg&feature=related

[virgogreg]

@zibianstein i now live in new zealand yes we have carbon tax it does cost me petrol has been taxed more along with everything else so dont assume everyone in the world lives in the USA and do assume just because you believe in something you cant be totally wrong..actually 31,000 scientists disagree with your religion..

[zibianstein]

@virgogreg Now look at you: I didn't say you pay more taxes due to Global Warming, I stated what it costs me. Sorry your government is handling the problem of Global Warming the wrong way. Look at you when it comes to assumptions ROFL.  Link your reference to your make believe 31,000 scientists. Ha, I just called you out. Let's see how you handle that. Also a religion isn't: 'acknowledging Global Warming by linking direct information to the scientific information that proves it'...ROFL AGAIN!

[Shadowlooker12]

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I beleive "Climate change" exist or Global warming what have you, but it is by far not on the level we or should I say we are led to beleive. The earth gets hotter and cooler from time to time, always been that way, always will, from what some call research, i don't see it doing anything at all. lot of twisting and beating around the bush to get a point across is what I see. Calm down man.

[zibianstein]

@Shadowlooker12 Hi man. I like your comment. I talk abrasively to people who say things that deserve it and you may have not seen what I deleted. I agree with you that the earth gets hotter and cooler from time to time. However we have no evidence of the earth being almost entirely inhabited by humans to this point of population extent in the past. Just like any species that consumes its resources and impacts its environment; so are we beginning to - is all I'm saying we're doing.

[zibianstein]

@a7chemist You actually have to say something that has one iota of intelligence for someone to debate you. If you state something dumb it gets removed.

[Shadowlooker12]

@zibianstein Calling people dumb and disagreeing does not prove your point, at all. Especially calling people noobs among other nonsenses. You are one, who will not change your mind, or even look toward other possible evidence, which is ok, we all are entitled to opinions. But at the end of the day, not all opinions are fact, and in fact most are personal preference. I'm not here to debate, just point out that your following and not actually doing anything. Look at everything as a whole.

[zibianstein]

@Shadowlooker12 Like I say, you may have not seen what I deleted that someone else said(Ex: if someone says "it is a fact that there is no fact" i'll call them dumb and move on). However, I can point out flaws with your argument here. 1. "You are one, who will not change your mind" You don't know that and just made an assumption. 2. "or even look toward other possible evidence," Don't just talk about 'other possible evidence' state it. (continued...)

[zibianstein]

@Shadowlooker12 (...continued) 3. "we all are entitled to opinions. But at the end of the day, not all opinions are fact, and in fact most are personal preference." I've never said my opinion was fact or my fact was opinion. Copy and paste the text of what you are talking about and we can discuss it. (continued...)

[zibianstein]

@Shadowlooker12 4. "I'm not here to debate, just point out that your following and not actually doing anything." Quite the contrary, I've made a video that quotes the exact government link to the satelite data that phil valentine says he has a friend that oversees it and my government link contradicts what phil says his 'un-named' friend says. Also, prove "I'm not actually doing anything".

[zibianstein]

Next.

[researchsiempre]

lol--you're using wikipedia as a reference? what a joke.

AGW is a hoax. this scam is a further step towards the elites forming a global govt and forcing us all to pay carbon taxes which will only serve to line the coffers of the elites and do nothing to stop climate change which is NATURAL. wake up people. do your research.

[zibianstein]

@researchsiempre Look how stupid you are. I quote NASA and NOAA in this video and all you point out is something you didn't get. That stupidity is hard to believe. I quoted wikipedia only to illustrate that EVERYONE knew about colder winters due to the deterioration of the atmosphere. And wow are you dumb - deforestation is NATURAL?? You must truly be completely brain dead. Thanks for the entertainment.

[PhilValentineShow]

I would suggest you read this article: Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away

This post won't allow me to link so do a search of the above article.

I believe I misspoke in our conversation about where ice is melting. It's melting a bit in the West but expanding in the East but the point is sea ice globally is about average. The bigger point is you have absolutely no evidence that what man is doing has anything to do with any kind of climate change.

[zibianstein]

@PhilValentineShow

#1. I would suggest going to the NASA website and search "Is Antarctica Melting?" The first article you can click on explains how it is losing ice overall.

#2. Don't mention what you saw is happening in Cancun with ocean levels rising and that this video proves your ignorance on this topic.

#3.Don't mention that this video shows 82% of stratospheric chlorine is anthropogenic.

#4. Don't mention that NASA contradicts 'your NASA friend' at the link provided under the vid.

[zibianstein]

(cont) I'd like to clarify that the word ignorance is stated as being on only this topic (and what he ignores) and not calling phil ignorant in general. I strongly admire Phil, his high level of intellect and appreciate what he provides for our community.

[zibianstein]

(cont) By you challenging: "The bigger point is you have absolutely no evidence that what man is doing has anything to do with any kind of climate change." You're admitting the first steps to asking that question. 1. We see evidence of a problem. 2. Climate Change is happening. 3. How is it happening? I'm pointing that out to the reader. You can't ask, "What is causing Climate Change?" Without insinuating that now you've admitted Climate Change exists or we....

[zibianstein]

(cont)could still debate the previous issues. So the debate being, 1. Cancun is being lost by ocean levels rising, 2. The atmosphere has seen deterioration, 3. ice caps in the polar regions are suffering, and 4. NASA's position on the preceding, has been lost by Phil Valentine. Which brings us to the new topic Phil is asking about which is, prove human beings have anything to do with it. Simple:

[zibianstein]

(cont)1. Title of NASA article at NASA (dot) GOV "NASA DATA SHOWS DEFORESTATION AFFECTS CLIMATE IN THE AMAZON" 2. Title of article at ScienceDaily: "Confirmed: Deforestation Plays Critical Climate Change Role" 3. Look up deforestation in the encyclopedia and search for

deforestation rates. 90% of West Africas rain forest gone, 88% of

South Asias, less than 1% of Haiti's forests remain. And the list

goes on.

[zibianstein]

(cont) 4. Look up 'coral reefs' in the encyclopedia and read about how

they are threatened. "Coral reefs are dying around the world. In particular, coral mining, agricultural and urban runoff, pollution (organic and non-organic), overfishing, blast fishing, the digging of canals, access into islands/bays are serious threats to these ecosystems." 5.. WAIT! I haven't even mentioned factories, cars, city growth and other human impacts that effect the environment and in turn the climate.

[zibianstein]

Maybe phil thinks that aliens from mars are to blame for all of this. But the rest of us using simple common sense know that deforestation, factories, cars, city growth etc., is caused entirely by human beings.

[researchsiempre]

@zibianstein oh really? well how do you account for the warming on mars? are martians driving cars these days?

wake the hell up and abandon the AGW groupthink, you fool. smh.

[zibianstein]

@researchsiempre Earth is warming due to increased retention of thermal radiation, Io is warming because of Jupiter’s gravitational pull, Pluto is warming because the pressure of it’s atmosphere has quadrupled, Triton is warming because of a change in it’s albedo, Enceladus is warming due to increased geothermal heating, Jupiter is warming due to internal turbulence and Mars is warming due to changes in reflectance. Ahem , lol, who's the fool? Sorry noob, but I did my research.

[drkstrong]

The antarctic the sea ice has increased by about 2% - each of the ice caps are losing ice at a rate of about 150 cubic kilometers per year - See results from the NASA GRACE mission

[zibianstein]

@drkstrong - At first I think I misunderstood you but I believe now I see part of what you say is exactly what I quoted in the video, "NASA's Grace satellite show that Antarctica has been losing more than a hundred cubic kilometers of ice each year since 2002." Hopefully you saw the link I provided from NASA goes on to explain how Antarctica is losing ice overall and at an increasing rate.