Germany is a helot state since 66 years now, occupied by almost 100000 US troops, uncountable nuclear warheads are deployed across the country, Angela Merkel and her German hating muppet government, like no chancellor traitor ever, were not elected but were chosen by the occupiers, Germans are not allowed to have a costitution and NO PEACE TREATY up to this day.
Rather a balless discussion about Nuremberg, without mentioning the torture of the defendants and the over-the-top confessions, shrunken head and Jew soap evidence. So they made Germans into inhuman monsters and provided Zionists with the guilt tool for decades. Germany and the world paid in this trial.
I think its interesting to point out that in the movie "Schindler's List" not one single Jew was introduced to a gas chamber. There were only RUMORS of gas chambers, which is probably historically correct.
The professor from the U. of Florida is sadly mistaken about genocide, which can occur in four different ways, or any combination of them. There are four conditions that each, alone, are sufficient to be able to know when genocide is occurring or has occurred. The US is the greatest genocidal criminal today, by far the greatest. Genocide continues to be committed against all or nearly all native indigenous peoples worldwide, f.e. It was against Serbs, and now Iraqis and Afghans.
Excellent, but I disagree with some things. The massive US and UK bombings in civilian areas, cities of Germany, killing 600,000 noncombatants was a war crime. Howard Zinn said he had served on these planes and said these were war crimes. The dropping of atomic bombs were unquestionably war crimes. And the guy from the UN either is wrong about the alleged crimes of former President Milosevic; see John Pilger, and Scott Taylor at EspritDeCorps (dot ca), and GlobalResearch (dot ca), f.e.
Oh yeah,for sure,'Operation Paperclip', saving Nazi doctors,and bringing them to America, to learn and copy from their horrendous skills was such a punishment!!! NOT!!!!
In his latest column for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes how Edwardian notions of war are again being promoted in western democracies, along with the militarising of history, journalism and parliamentary politics. In Britain, the three main candidiates for prime minister are declared warmakers; and yet popular feeling is very different. Source: JohnPilger on his page.
.. the off springs of Anti-Semitism, the role of the catholic church, etc, etc. "Wealth of Evidence"! We have access to docus here; a channel dealing with these questions is suddenly gone here in Germany? The Cross Talks of yesterday about the raising Naziism spirit, which I do not see any longer here, could be supported by the question: Why is that? The spirit of the Nazis was that of supremacy, which we see around in all kinds of greedy groups who plunder the planet only on their own behalf.
"A Prophet is not recognized in his own land". This statement is to honor Noam Chomsky, who wrote a paper in 1990 just found under the rubrum "If the Nuremberg Laws were Applied ..., then every post-war American president would have been hanged". Justice would have been done in Nuremberg if the truth would have been addressed how mentally sick Hitler and his team of followers came to power and who supported him,
the judgement against rudolf hess was way too harsh i think. i mean he risked his own life by trying to negociate peace with britain by jumping out of a plane with parachute and got locked up for 50 years for this.
@OrphanPaper the point , mass murder, to bring a country to heal is OK, NO ,the fact is not all German supported the nazi's but all bear the burden to the point of death (including Germanic jews who were abandoned by the most of the world when there deportation was offered ) the fact they could carry out he raids meant Germany defeat was only a matter of time , wasting munitions on civil ions was/is murder
Peter is much better today. He lets everyone talk finally and don't get all pissed off and interrupts everyone like he is the daddy. He is very good host, has lots of confidence and always on top of things, but motherfucker has no respect for others sometimes. If he can keep himself under control without acting like a woman on the period, then he would be excellent ;) Good Job today Pete!
I am developing great respect for Russian media, courtesy RT videos like these. My own nation and Europe and US media would do well to take a leaf out of your book, in this case!
American bombs killed hundreds of thousands of women and children in their homes, schools, playgrounds, hospitals, day care centers, in Japan. And this fat man in a suit says that "is just". That it doesn't need to be taken to trial. What if the Japanese had wiped 2 cities in the US with the 'noble intention' of ending the war? I guarantee you this fatso would consider that a crime.
From today's perspective, there's little doubt Nuremberg was about placating the Soviet Union (Russia), and (grudgingly) admitting that maybe Germany did indeed do some things wrong (like lose for starters).
The disappointing part is the unwillingess to recognise the political role Nuremberg played in declaring Germany "Denazified" (ok job done) allowing her to serve as vassal in Washington's New World Order. In a few months, Nazis taking up jobs in the CIA had become "DeNazified". Naturlich...
Nuremberg was the best deal Germany could get at the time.
an exchange of 22 Nazis for the 60 million killed by the war they started.
In less than 22 days after the hangings, West Germany (the East had to wait until 1989) was magically "DeNazified" and ready to serve Washington's Reich.
And in 2008, less than 53 years after these trials, German-dominated Eurodisney blames the S.U. for "starting" the war. Not too bad for a "looser".
This "precedent" talk is bullshit, in terms of incitement to genocide from the Jewish propa-sphere and Israel's bloody-red hands.
These intellectuals are infatuated with the sound of their own voices and they think within the box which is why they are invited to participate in the discussion.
Seems to me somebody really didn't get the meaning of "precedent" in Washington. But you know, "precedent" is just a word for little people, for those without teeth.
This political court was organized mainly by the United States and Britain, countries that now freely attack others, but seek the fiction that will give their aggressions a de jure as well as quasi-moral cover. For this reason the rules of the ICTY stood Nuremberg on its head.
from Edward S. Herman's review John Laughland's Book - Travesty: The Trial of Slobodan Milosevic and the Corruption of International Justice
They should've brought out the shrunken heads and lampshades made of Jews' skin and soap made from good ol' Jew fat; the stuff that the so-called Nuremberg trials were made of.
RT. Any possibility of giving a show on this topic 60 minutes? Two generations since 1970 only know this topic by horrific movies. Justice Jackson's summary was mandatory reading for study when I was in grade 10. (ancient eh?)
For those commenting you can find a copy of Jackson's summary for free on the Internet. Look up "Nuremberg Justice Jackson". His summary points to much more than these gentleman are saying.
guardian, "The assault on (balthazar) Garzón (there are two other cases against him in the pipeline) comes on the heels of the Spanish government's decision to curtail its law permitting the prosecution of foreign atrocities which had been used to indict Pinochet, convict an Argentine official for "dirty war" killings, investigate crimes in El Salvador and Guatemala and issue warrants for top Rwandan leaders.
But after cases involving powerful countries such as China, the US and Israel for alleged crimes in Tibet, Guantánamo and Gaza created headaches for the Spanish government, both major parties agreed that the law would be limited.
pro-chinese bloggers on tibetan-themed videos gloat over the fact that garzon will be sacked. in fact, in spring, 2008, hu jintao visited madrid, threatening economic retaliation if the case against him proceeded. (hu was in charge of tibet during the '89 uprising).
NaZi = tetragram, Na reps National Socialist Party Zi, Zionist party. NaZi's or not-Z's were Z's, rounded up/murdered real jews. many ghetto jews invested in a Rothschild/Zionist bank charter Herzl & other Z's secured prior to WW I, Z's used funds to buy land in Argentina & Palestine, da-Z's put ghetto jews in work/death camps, took shares from those who wouldn't denounce Judaism, join atheistic Zionists in fraud, da-Z's blackmailed/bribed to get a fiat nation to fill w/ peons/puppets & slaves
Make up a preposterous, impossible scenario, sell it to the public, kill the eyewitnesses and claim that justice was served. How can any literate person with access to the Internet believe this shit?
Anyone that believes justice was served at Nuremberg has not reviewed the trial's key witnesses nor the Palestinian Christians&Muslims.)
What was said to be 'amazing' was 2 see communism and capitalism come together.
Naturally, the Rothschild origins of communism and their control over most of the western oligarchies via "central banking",[and Freemasonry], made this a quite natural alliance.
Creating communism/Israel was a very, VERY profitable move by Rothschild funded by "central banking".
When you hear about the Danish cartoons remember that the allies executed one at Nuremberg for making cartoons offensive to jews. I guess for that matter you will get jail time in europe for printing the cartoon Tales From the Holohoax. There are two guys serving quite long jail sentences in the UK for doing just that.
Nuremberg was a complete joke. The most dangerous Nazi's were also the most valuable, and so the US gave them immunity in exchange for important information, and killed off all the rest. Where do you think our rocket, and nuclear technology came from? Thank the Nazi's who are still alive and well :). The official story is nothing more then Jewish propaganda
@suutari13 The Nazi's were NOTORIOUS record keepers. And yet not one single record was ever found involving gas chambers. You can google it if Ud like.
Since u r find it amusing that 80 Million died, 100 Million were wounded with cities leveled here is an idea for you. Attach a hose to the water and shove it up your ass. While keeping it firmly in place Google it.
@MiClLC Yes in fact the Jews are responsible for the creation of the first Nuclear Bomb to be used on human beings ! - The Jew Einstein pushed the Jew President , Roosevelt , who engaged the Jew Robert Oppenheimer , and his team of fellow Jew scientists to start the Manhattan Project. The Jewish Banking Mafia funded the entire operation. Then a group of non-Jew Pilots were ordered to drop the Nuclear Bomb on TWO civilian cities... yet WHO gets the blame for this ? Not the Jew , that's for sure.
@MiClLC Tell me about it. No proof of these incredible war crimes this video implies exists. I also like how they talk about the Nazis like they rose to power out of nowhere. Yeah, it's not like Communists were ravaging Russia and the Baltic states or anything and creeping into Germany.
The accused were probably guilty of war crimes but they were not guilty of any holocaust for which there is no forensic evidence. Also why so many lies at Nuremberg trials like gassings inside nowadays Germany, steam chambers, soap from jews etc. if therewas so much evidence for the holy holocaust.
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Germany is a helot state since 66 years now, occupied by almost 100000 US troops, uncountable nuclear warheads are deployed across the country, Angela Merkel and her German hating muppet government, like no chancellor traitor ever, were not elected but were chosen by the occupiers, Germans are not allowed to have a costitution and NO PEACE TREATY up to this day.
THINK!
NeaFrea 7 months ago
Rather a balless discussion about Nuremberg, without mentioning the torture of the defendants and the over-the-top confessions, shrunken head and Jew soap evidence. So they made Germans into inhuman monsters and provided Zionists with the guilt tool for decades. Germany and the world paid in this trial.
JohnnyRock2000 8 months ago
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madmiguelh2o 5 months ago
hyper justice!
flowewritharoma 8 months ago
I think its interesting to point out that in the movie "Schindler's List" not one single Jew was introduced to a gas chamber. There were only RUMORS of gas chambers, which is probably historically correct.
MiClLC 1 year ago
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The professor from the U. of Florida is sadly mistaken about genocide, which can occur in four different ways, or any combination of them. There are four conditions that each, alone, are sufficient to be able to know when genocide is occurring or has occurred. The US is the greatest genocidal criminal today, by far the greatest. Genocide continues to be committed against all or nearly all native indigenous peoples worldwide, f.e. It was against Serbs, and now Iraqis and Afghans.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
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mikecorbeil 1 year ago
Excellent, but I disagree with some things. The massive US and UK bombings in civilian areas, cities of Germany, killing 600,000 noncombatants was a war crime. Howard Zinn said he had served on these planes and said these were war crimes. The dropping of atomic bombs were unquestionably war crimes. And the guy from the UN either is wrong about the alleged crimes of former President Milosevic; see John Pilger, and Scott Taylor at EspritDeCorps (dot ca), and GlobalResearch (dot ca), f.e.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
Oh yeah,for sure,'Operation Paperclip', saving Nazi doctors,and bringing them to America, to learn and copy from their horrendous skills was such a punishment!!! NOT!!!!
javalily 1 year ago 4
They should invite someone from Moscow once in a while...
l0letrtainment 1 year ago
In his latest column for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes how Edwardian notions of war are again being promoted in western democracies, along with the militarising of history, journalism and parliamentary politics. In Britain, the three main candidiates for prime minister are declared warmakers; and yet popular feeling is very different. Source: JohnPilger on his page.
Sundrumify 1 year ago
.. the off springs of Anti-Semitism, the role of the catholic church, etc, etc. "Wealth of Evidence"! We have access to docus here; a channel dealing with these questions is suddenly gone here in Germany? The Cross Talks of yesterday about the raising Naziism spirit, which I do not see any longer here, could be supported by the question: Why is that? The spirit of the Nazis was that of supremacy, which we see around in all kinds of greedy groups who plunder the planet only on their own behalf.
Sundrumify 1 year ago
@Sundrumify
I agree with you, Russia has no future
triontp 1 year ago
Learning from History or rewrite history books?
"A Prophet is not recognized in his own land". This statement is to honor Noam Chomsky, who wrote a paper in 1990 just found under the rubrum "If the Nuremberg Laws were Applied ..., then every post-war American president would have been hanged". Justice would have been done in Nuremberg if the truth would have been addressed how mentally sick Hitler and his team of followers came to power and who supported him,
.... to be continued
Sundrumify 1 year ago
I regret to say your families are doomed and Russia has no future
triontp 1 year ago
@triontp Whose families? Why?
TrutherD1 1 year ago
Torture, ranging from forcing the accused persons to
eat feces to destroying their reproductive organs in
a most painful manner. All sorts of psychological
tricks and duress were also employed. Some years
before his death U.S. Senator Joseph R. McCarthy
(1908-1957) gave the following statement to the
press with regard to the war crimes trials:
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
@TheNonConformative "I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to
the effect that the accused persons were beaten up,
maltreated and physically tortured by methods which
could only be conceived by sick brains. They
subjected to mock trial and pretended executions,
they were told their families would be deprived
of their ration cards. All these things were
carried out with the approval of the Public
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
@TheNonConformative Prosecutor in order to secure the psychological
atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the
required confessions. "
"American investigators at the U.S. Court in Dachau,
Germany, used the following methods to obtain
confessions: Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking
out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary
confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited
rations. Spiritual deprivation. Promises of acquittal
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
@TheNonConformative (ed. expl: if the victim implicated fellow prisoners
to corroborate the Allied trial scenarios) . . . All
but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated,
had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair."
TheNonConformative 1 year ago
How come no one mention about how the Japanese Imperial Army killed tens and thousands Chinese and Koreans during WWII.
wikct2 1 year ago 3
Is this even a debate? Everyone seems to agree. Would be nice to hear some opposing viewpoints.
StormSpirit20 1 year ago
the judgement against rudolf hess was way too harsh i think. i mean he risked his own life by trying to negociate peace with britain by jumping out of a plane with parachute and got locked up for 50 years for this.
happosai27 1 year ago
the Otterman empier ,not Turkey dude ,, where dose that aggression arise ,
OrphanPaper 1 year ago
@OrphanPaper humanitarian justice is a fair and balanced judgments on actions proceed on by combatants ,is what i hope is arrived at ,
OrphanPaper 1 year ago
@OrphanPaper the point , mass murder, to bring a country to heal is OK, NO ,the fact is not all German supported the nazi's but all bear the burden to the point of death (including Germanic jews who were abandoned by the most of the world when there deportation was offered ) the fact they could carry out he raids meant Germany defeat was only a matter of time , wasting munitions on civil ions was/is murder
OrphanPaper 1 year ago
I regret that President Obama would not have the Bush Administration arrested and put on trial for war crimes.
klard 1 year ago
Peter is much better today. He lets everyone talk finally and don't get all pissed off and interrupts everyone like he is the daddy. He is very good host, has lots of confidence and always on top of things, but motherfucker has no respect for others sometimes. If he can keep himself under control without acting like a woman on the period, then he would be excellent ;) Good Job today Pete!
AlexanderSigal 1 year ago 2
This video is another proof of why Russia has no future
triontp 1 year ago
@triontp this comment is another proof of why you are retarded prick
AlexanderSigal 1 year ago
I am developing great respect for Russian media, courtesy RT videos like these. My own nation and Europe and US media would do well to take a leaf out of your book, in this case!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
WAR is the crime.
American bombs killed hundreds of thousands of women and children in their homes, schools, playgrounds, hospitals, day care centers, in Japan. And this fat man in a suit says that "is just". That it doesn't need to be taken to trial. What if the Japanese had wiped 2 cities in the US with the 'noble intention' of ending the war? I guarantee you this fatso would consider that a crime.
These people make me sick.
untropezon 1 year ago
@untropezon
That it doesn't need to be taken to trial. What if the Japanese had wiped 2 cities in the US with the 'noble intention' of ending the war?
midway, pearl harbor, phillipines, manchuria, china in general, Bataan
u know japan attacked us for not selling them oil so they can fuel there war efforts
so suck it up bitch lol
goddifist 1 year ago
From today's perspective, there's little doubt Nuremberg was about placating the Soviet Union (Russia), and (grudgingly) admitting that maybe Germany did indeed do some things wrong (like lose for starters).
The disappointing part is the unwillingess to recognise the political role Nuremberg played in declaring Germany "Denazified" (ok job done) allowing her to serve as vassal in Washington's New World Order. In a few months, Nazis taking up jobs in the CIA had become "DeNazified". Naturlich...
seseljsrs 1 year ago
Bla-bla-bla....Sierra Leone...evidence....bla-blaa..
Nuremberg was the best deal Germany could get at the time.
an exchange of 22 Nazis for the 60 million killed by the war they started.
In less than 22 days after the hangings, West Germany (the East had to wait until 1989) was magically "DeNazified" and ready to serve Washington's Reich.
And in 2008, less than 53 years after these trials, German-dominated Eurodisney blames the S.U. for "starting" the war. Not too bad for a "looser".
seseljsrs 1 year ago 2
Julius Streicher was condemned to death for printing material which offended Jews.
That's the meaning of "victor's justice."
gerny12345 1 year ago 2
@gerny12345
One has to ask how do Streicher's crimes stack up against those of Hollywood and the US corporate media?
seseljsrs 1 year ago 2
@seseljsrs Indeed.
This "precedent" talk is bullshit, in terms of incitement to genocide from the Jewish propa-sphere and Israel's bloody-red hands.
These intellectuals are infatuated with the sound of their own voices and they think within the box which is why they are invited to participate in the discussion.
gerny12345 1 year ago
@gerny12345
Seems to me somebody really didn't get the meaning of "precedent" in Washington. But you know, "precedent" is just a word for little people, for those without teeth.
And Washington has all the teeth.
seseljsrs 1 year ago
This political court was organized mainly by the United States and Britain, countries that now freely attack others, but seek the fiction that will give their aggressions a de jure as well as quasi-moral cover. For this reason the rules of the ICTY stood Nuremberg on its head.
from Edward S. Herman's review John Laughland's Book - Travesty: The Trial of Slobodan Milosevic and the Corruption of International Justice
seseljsrs 1 year ago
What a waste of time!
They should've brought out the shrunken heads and lampshades made of Jews' skin and soap made from good ol' Jew fat; the stuff that the so-called Nuremberg trials were made of.
gerny12345 1 year ago
Walter J. Rockler (Former prosecutor Nuremberg war crimes trials)
"NATO is unquestionably guilty of far greater crimes than anything Milosevic is accused of doing."
seseljsrs 1 year ago 2
RT. Any possibility of giving a show on this topic 60 minutes? Two generations since 1970 only know this topic by horrific movies. Justice Jackson's summary was mandatory reading for study when I was in grade 10. (ancient eh?)
For those commenting you can find a copy of Jackson's summary for free on the Internet. Look up "Nuremberg Justice Jackson". His summary points to much more than these gentleman are saying.
ThisBoyTV 1 year ago
Russia actually insisted on beheading nazi prisoners of war in Nuremberg
triontp 1 year ago
guardian, "The assault on (balthazar) Garzón (there are two other cases against him in the pipeline) comes on the heels of the Spanish government's decision to curtail its law permitting the prosecution of foreign atrocities which had been used to indict Pinochet, convict an Argentine official for "dirty war" killings, investigate crimes in El Salvador and Guatemala and issue warrants for top Rwandan leaders.
mispistoleros 1 year ago
But after cases involving powerful countries such as China, the US and Israel for alleged crimes in Tibet, Guantánamo and Gaza created headaches for the Spanish government, both major parties agreed that the law would be limited.
mispistoleros 1 year ago
pro-chinese bloggers on tibetan-themed videos gloat over the fact that garzon will be sacked. in fact, in spring, 2008, hu jintao visited madrid, threatening economic retaliation if the case against him proceeded. (hu was in charge of tibet during the '89 uprising).
mispistoleros 1 year ago
NaZi = tetragram, Na reps National Socialist Party Zi, Zionist party. NaZi's or not-Z's were Z's, rounded up/murdered real jews. many ghetto jews invested in a Rothschild/Zionist bank charter Herzl & other Z's secured prior to WW I, Z's used funds to buy land in Argentina & Palestine, da-Z's put ghetto jews in work/death camps, took shares from those who wouldn't denounce Judaism, join atheistic Zionists in fraud, da-Z's blackmailed/bribed to get a fiat nation to fill w/ peons/puppets & slaves
BankofSpirit 1 year ago
Make up a preposterous, impossible scenario, sell it to the public, kill the eyewitnesses and claim that justice was served. How can any literate person with access to the Internet believe this shit?
Kaczmarek84 1 year ago
to many nazi's in america and im talking about the fascist and assholes that dont mean what they say like the sad racists.
majikninja07 1 year ago
Anyone that believes justice was served at Nuremberg has not reviewed the trial's key witnesses nor the Palestinian Christians&Muslims.)
What was said to be 'amazing' was 2 see communism and capitalism come together.
Naturally, the Rothschild origins of communism and their control over most of the western oligarchies via "central banking",[and Freemasonry], made this a quite natural alliance.
Creating communism/Israel was a very, VERY profitable move by Rothschild funded by "central banking".
UnoRaza 1 year ago 7
YOU GUYS SHOULD TALK ABOUT ''TOKYO JUSTICE'', which tends to be more serious and concerning problem compares to Nuremberg
fashionxue 1 year ago
When you hear about the Danish cartoons remember that the allies executed one at Nuremberg for making cartoons offensive to jews. I guess for that matter you will get jail time in europe for printing the cartoon Tales From the Holohoax. There are two guys serving quite long jail sentences in the UK for doing just that.
FrankinHolland 1 year ago
Nuremberg was a complete joke. The most dangerous Nazi's were also the most valuable, and so the US gave them immunity in exchange for important information, and killed off all the rest. Where do you think our rocket, and nuclear technology came from? Thank the Nazi's who are still alive and well :). The official story is nothing more then Jewish propaganda
MiClLC 1 year ago 3
yeah wealth of evidence that required TORTURE and LIES. RESEARCH!!
Not even a single gassed victim has ever been found.
suutari13 1 year ago
@suutari13 The Nazi's were NOTORIOUS record keepers. And yet not one single record was ever found involving gas chambers. You can google it if Ud like.
MiClLC 1 year ago 8
@MiClLC
Since u r find it amusing that 80 Million died, 100 Million were wounded with cities leveled here is an idea for you. Attach a hose to the water and shove it up your ass. While keeping it firmly in place Google it.
ThisBoyTV 1 year ago
@ThisBoyTV More Chinese were killed by the Japanese, then Hitler killed Jews. Yet you dont hear them crying about it lmao!
MiClLC 1 year ago 2
@MiClLC u migth be rigth
makeyyyy7890 1 year ago
@MiClLC Yes in fact the Jews are responsible for the creation of the first Nuclear Bomb to be used on human beings ! - The Jew Einstein pushed the Jew President , Roosevelt , who engaged the Jew Robert Oppenheimer , and his team of fellow Jew scientists to start the Manhattan Project. The Jewish Banking Mafia funded the entire operation. Then a group of non-Jew Pilots were ordered to drop the Nuclear Bomb on TWO civilian cities... yet WHO gets the blame for this ? Not the Jew , that's for sure.
WhereEaglesDareWWII 1 year ago
@MiClLC Tell me about it. No proof of these incredible war crimes this video implies exists. I also like how they talk about the Nazis like they rose to power out of nowhere. Yeah, it's not like Communists were ravaging Russia and the Baltic states or anything and creeping into Germany.
leeason1 1 year ago
The accused were probably guilty of war crimes but they were not guilty of any holocaust for which there is no forensic evidence. Also why so many lies at Nuremberg trials like gassings inside nowadays Germany, steam chambers, soap from jews etc. if therewas so much evidence for the holy holocaust.
suutari13 1 year ago
The accused were probably guilty of war crimes but they were not guilty of any holocaust for which there is no forensic evidence.
suutari13 1 year ago