THE BLACK MUSEUM - JOHN CHRISTIE (Central TV, 1988)

[bowler8]

The guy mentioned people went to his house for abortions, they went because they had breathing problems

[GuildfordGhost]

@bowler8 Muriel Eady had cattarh issues and Christie coaxed her into Rillington Place on that ruse. However, Christie is known to have certainly ATTEMPTED to lure women with his 'abortionist' lie - and, let's face it, that's how he got to murder Beryl Evans.

[earth123ism]

this film is so chilling.

[ILiveOnMyBoat]

Reggie 'no dick' 'can't get it up' Christie was responsible for a lot more murdes and necrophiia than he was convicted for or attached to.

Timothy Evans never kiled anybody but was killed himself by 'smell a rat ' peelers who got it all wrong and still to this day have it covered up.

Getting 'hooked' on murderers as you say could be looked upon  as being rather worryng.

[GuildfordGhost]

@ILiveOnMyBoat I agree with you entirely except for the last part. I've been a crime historian for over twenty years and the thought of killing a human being fascinates but absolutely appals me (which is WHY it fascinates me - because it is so alien to my understanding, capabilities and values). There is no correolation between an interest in crime and criminal activity.

[pildskadden]

@GuildfordGhost That's a very good point. I agree the fascination comes from excactly the fact that these deeds are so completely alien to our morals - well, at least that applies to some of us.

[wilkrazor2]

@GuildfordGhost I agree. An interest in what motivates these kinds of human beings has nothing to do with a person's moral or psychological make-up. My mother was fascinated in this kind of material, and she was the farthest thing from abberant one could be.

[ILiveOnMyBoat]

@GuildfordGhost I meant literally 'looked upon' (by those that have little interest) not that we would actually correlate the information to commit such sickening crimes.

This one out of all them interests me because the bastard (excuse the industrial language) managed to send an innocent to the gallows contriving that he was an upstanding member of the community.

The establishment still can't bring itself to quashing Tim Evans conviction.

Thanks for posting this up.

Free Tim!

[scatmansmooth]

@DontVoteCameron

Don't worry they're doing what the English legal system does - IGNORE you & chat shit for months on end in hope that your 'divvy' outlook is forgotten (in their opinion).

They want to talk about ropey deckchairs, coal houses and thigh bones.

Typical Tory voters and sun/guardian/phone tapper piggy readers.

No thought to Tim Evans being stiched up on here. In 2004 the court of appeal said on record he didn't do anything but still failed to quash his conviction. Brass necks.

[beowulf3075]

@scatmansmooth - I never realised that the conviction against Tim Evans wasn't quashed.  Pricks.

[43lochness]

wow , i remember this series so well at the time.thanks for posting guildford ghost !

[Marillionboy]

Also I can remember writing to Bill Waddell after the programme. I wonder where he is now! He turned up on tv again the following night in a documentary from the Beeb about Jack the Ripper as it was the centenary. Little known fact: he was originally a PC at Putney and sat in the cells with Christie when Christie was waiting to be charged! Gordon Honeybombe mentions this in his book on The Black Museum.

[Marillionboy]

So interested to learn that this stunning documentary was someone else's introduction to true crime too! I always thought it took a while to get going, and in particular the Jack the Ripper bits are rather flatly done, but by this point it's really found its feet. It's got a stunning soundtrack too, each case has music with just the right feel to it. I especially liked the music during the Train Robbery section.

[GuildfordGhost]

@Marillionboy Absolutely. It's strange to think that if I hadn't seen this programme my life now might have been very different.

[tribetng]

It’s so strange to see in these old documentary's when they talk about someone being the worst this century because of course we know that not long after this was aired along came Dr Shipman and the West’s.

[GuildfordGhost]

@tribetng Sutcliffe was caught in 1981, but you're right about the others.

[tribetng]

@GuildfordGhost I know, I realized that as soon as I posted the comment and saw what year this was aired but you know what I mean.

[whotaughtyou]

CIA POLL TAX CRIME

[CalamityCameron]

Christie was a horrible piece of work. Clacked eyes should have warned them off but unfortunately didnt

This is where the death penalty debate most conflicts. Christie should also have been drawn and quartered to make him suffer as his victims must have done by strangulation.

Tim Evans was innocent and should have the conviction formally QUASHED.

Christie was a piece of shit. Evans was an everyday man. RIP Tim J Evans.

Never rest Lizard Halliday Reginald Christie.

[TZEITEL10]

@HitomiYutsuko I have lived in haunted buildings over the years and never cared that much,but live in a house where murders took place,no that would be awful.

[TZEITEL10]

I read in some sources Evans is thought to have killed his daughter,i am not sure where the evidence for this came from.

I think that there were just too many errors in the history of Capital Punishment to ever see it re-introduced,besides which it was never a deterrent.

[GuildfordGhost]

@TZEITEL10 I agree with you. The only country in the Western World to still use the Death Penalty is the one with the highest pro rata murder rate. Just because some people don't deserve to live, I don't agree we have the right to kill them. That's not to say I'd be sad if they took their own lives!

I too have heard several times that Evans is supposed to have killed Geraldine but I really, really don't think that's likely. I've no doubt Christie took one of Evans' ties to frame him.

[bubblepopeletric411]

i'm related to the second victim, Muriel Eady, she was speaking to my nan a few days before she was murdered to

[GuildfordGhost]

@bubblepopeletric411 Thank you for being good enough to post a comment. It's amazing how often relatives of people connected to criminal cases contact me on YouTube. I've always found Muriel the most tragic of all of Christie's victims (excluding baby Geraldine, of course) as she could have been anyone (I mean that in a postive way).

[bubblepopeletric411]

@GuildfordGhost yeah i know what you mean. But aswell as i relise it's horrible it's quite exciting being related to someone connested with a killer, being as i'm so interested in murder and so on but i don't mean to sound horrible it's quite hard to explain :/

[GuildfordGhost]

@bubblepopeletric411 Not at all. When I was a student and into all this, people thought I was either a) a Satanist or b) a potential serial killer myself - which shows a remarkable lack of understanding of psychology! It repulses and terrifies me and, being mixed with my interest in history and an inate desire to disturb people for fun with ghoulish details in a Bart Simpson way, this all seemed a natural interest to persue.

[bubblepopeletric411]

@GuildfordGhost people can be extreamly ignorent, glad atleast one person understands XD

[contrafib]

Good doc. A couple of things struck me. First of all, the sergeant 'running' into the charge room to see Christie. However much everyone deplores murderers and their crimes, we seem to all find them rather fascinating as well. Also, Christie seems to have even fooled the police that he was landlord at 10 R Place (Inspector Trevallian thought so.

[kevinturvy]

My grandfather went to school with Christie and reckons that when they did P.E, Christie would feign sickness and stay behind in the changing rooms and wank into his classmates socks.

[jane3eyre]

Could they have made the music for this documentary any more 'only listen to this music in broad daylight when you are not alone' creepier? Methinks not.

[GuildfordGhost]

@jane3eyre I agree. It's very striking.

[itkapatanka]

this is great Guildford Ghost, can we have the whole thing?

[GuildfordGhost]

@itkapatanka I've done a couple more bits from it already, but I intend - as time goes on - to do the lot. It is indeed great; it's the show that started my interest in true crime.

[100peppard]

My Grandfather told me he stayed at Christies house in 1959 and he caught Christie wanking into a sock in the outside loo.

[GuildfordGhost]

@100peppard Wouldn't be at all surprised, although Christie was executed in 1953!

[grabar20]

@100peppard no that was your grandfather,it might have been christies sock,he was wanking into,ha ha ha ha,pure gold more please...........

[kenfig]

@100peppard Bald Psychopathic fucker !!

[MarcJboy]

Good stuff this, I've visited the site recently or what's left of it, a few people looking out of curtains at you as you walk around. Can't blame them for being upset at that, but then again, if you live there, you've got to expect it at times.

[GuildfordGhost]

@MarcJboy Yeah. Some guy who posted on one of my other JRHC videos set up an amazing site having done loads of work to plot exactly where the house was and it's not where you'd think - different angle, part of it in a garden, part on a path, much of it in someone's current house (bet they have no idea...)

[MrJpholmes]

You'd think it leads into the kitchen but it doesn't really fit with the plans of the house. Still, gives an idea of how cramped and dark the place was.

[MrJpholmes]

I wonder if the footage inside the house is actually 10 rillington place or the house next door or somewhere else in the street. Struggling to work out what part of the house 1:06 is.

[GuildfordGhost]

@MrJpholmes Hi - I think it's leading into the kitchen, isn't it? It suddenly cuts to the outhouse. I think the B&W footage came from a BBC item from the 1960s which I think you can still stream from the BBC website. If so, I believe the footage to be genuine.

[LoomVideos]

real shame they tore the house down............(and the Brady house, and the West house, and the Gacy house...........a theme there!!).

[rippleway123]

Nice, photos and images I've not seen before!