"It has biological overtones that go with it, but it is a choice whether to love them or not. "
Let's say you, a str8 guy, meet & fall in love with "Sue" people "chose" to be/not be couples for reasons.
You & "Sue" decide to not get married (she gets a job in Fiji). it doesn't negate the fact you fell in love with her or preferred the company of her over say a man.
Expecting gays to "chose" to love a woman is cruel to both. Expecting gays to "chose" to be celibate is insane.
You sidestepped fixed idenitity as the AMA states. Then you mention "former" gay people. Yet the AMA and most medical associations clearly state that oppose reformative therapy. Funny how you "forgot" to mention that.
First, I never used the term "genetic" to describe homosexual OR hetrosexual love. Scientists, poets, philosophers, etc have tried for year to "define" love.
My point is...it's natural. It is NOT a choice anymore than my love for my wife. I suppose I could "chose" to leave, but that doesn't negate that I love her or fell in love with her.
There is no "genetics" or "choice" in the fact I like strawberries or I hate pea soup. I tried them...i liked/disliked them!
Your "archeology" has been spotty at best. And as I said it before...the Temple of Athena doesn't "prove" the Olypiians were "real." So let's hear your archeology.
Which historians do you think say there is proof for the Bible? Those that teach at a bible college and have little to no real degree?
"historical evidence to show much of Christianity is true"
really? Why did no one in the world proclaim all the "darkness" that engulfed it?
Why was there no historic mention of Herod ordering infants killed, despite him having a detailed biographer...and being DEAD in 4 BC?
The crucifixion story differing than what we know of roman law? No mention of a dead guy walking? Someone like Pilate wouldn't have bothered with a local law dispute.
"Despite the fact that I said there is archaeological, philosophical, and historical evidence to show much of Christianity is true"
LOL! So "philisophical" evidence proves your bullshit religion is true, but two men who say they are in love is not proof? PHILISOPHICAL?
And no, no legitimate historian has ever said the Bible was true. there can't be "much of Christianity" it has to be all or nothing. Temple of Athena doesnt "prove" Athena was real.
You didn't answer the question again- do YOU call the love for your wife/ girl friend "genetic"?
Someone tells you "I have never been in love what's it like" do you given them a lesson on...genetics?
So that answers one of your questions...I never called homo (or hetro) love "genetic". Love is something that happens and "science" doesn't really describe it.
You said a lot about Christians and divorce...and failed to address the actual points:
1. Divorce for the most part is forbidden in the Bible
2. You guys want to pass laws against gay marriage...because of the Bible.
3. Why aren't you guys trying to pass laws against these sinner divorcees from remarrying? You should look at the multiple married likes of John McCain, Reagan, and Limbaugh the same as you look at Ellen DeGeneras or Barney Frank getting married.
Since we don't see, hear, have proof of your bullshit god...THAT's a negative. You haven't proven that exists. I can ask 100 gay guys and they will say "no it's not a choice" Go pray in 100 churches...and you will not hear from God.
Fact of the matter...you are NOT gay and have no medical expertise in this matter. You subscribe to a religion that teaches demons and spirts are true...why should people believe you?
"If you are going to claim something to be a fact (ex. gay is geentic), then it is up to you to prove it, not"
That's not what I did, liar.
But I want you to play by your own rules-
PROVE your invisible sky genie god is real. And not just a god...the Christian one, because I know all about your "creator" Kirk Cameron style canned reply.
You also have a lot of nerve talking "opinion". ALL of your belief is based on...Christianity. There is NO PROOF that is even real. It's superstition with stories of magical powers. All you do is regurgitate stuff preachers tell you what to think. Hardly "proof".
"Again, you CANNOT prove a double negative. Oh so by logic you mean "I think this...I think that..""
THERE'S NO DOUBLE NEGATIVE
Let's try this again- I go up and ask 20 gay guys "is being gay a choice" and they say "no, you just ARE" . Christians like you will NOT accept that. Wouldn't
a gay person knows more about what was a choice for him than you, a presumably straight guy.
You can't prove gay is a choice. You quote a superstition books that has "demons" & agenda preachers
"The question of whether or not someone is "born gay" or makes some conscious or unconscious choice to be gay different than race since you can't choose that"
points you didn't adress:
1. logic- why would someone "choose" to be gay with all the hatred? Especially in the past.
2. you still haven't proven it's NOT natural...yet you have argued "gay is a choice".
3. Religion IS a choice...& you would scream bloody murder if there were laws forbidding Christians from marriage
Reguardless of what YOU say Christians have used the Bible to forbid interracial marriage.
You try to find a loophole with "certain circumstances" but people get divorced for minor stuff these days. Your Christian hypocrisy - forbid by law gay people from getting married based on the Bible ... but a couple divorced (with no affair) can get remarried. Then you had to "pretend to not get it" with listing "certain circumstances".
"race is something on can not choose, while there has no diffinitive proof the being gay is completely gentic and has no element of choice"
Three things wrong with your canned CHristian reply:
1. it's not a choice.
2. even if it was...this is still the land with freedom to choose, like you choose religion
3. NOT being a theocracy, what Christians think doesnt equal law or civil rights. It is not the only belief systems, but selfish Christians want it to be the only one that counts.
"Also, what makes the whole gay issue different is that race is something on can not choose, while there has no diffinitive proof the being gay is completely gentic and has no element of choice."
There is no "proof" being gay is NOT a choice, but you Christians insist that, despite a lack of science or research in your view.
There is no "proof" Christianity is real.
What "proof" do you have to the divinity of Christ? quoting scripture doesn't count as "proof".
"With that being said, to even call it Christianity is a joke, simply because it violates most of the techings of Christ himself"
The same can also be said for most "denominations".
Funny to hear them squabble about each other. Hagge on Catholics? Catholics on Protestants? Petecostals on everyone else? All are "lost," don't have "full truth".
In this thread one of you dipshit Christians called the Catholics "denomic" So we have a grown Christian man who believes in...DEMONS!
"Gay marriage framkly is a much different issue than any of those"
Not really.We have people saying The bullshit Bible forbids it...same as we did interracial marriage. Then again, until the 60s Christians used to care about divorce. Funny how they hypocritically excuse that.
And 20- 50 years from now you will have people who look at "the faithful" as ignorant bigots...same as we do now to people who used the Bible to justify opposition to interracial marriage.
A disturbing trend among the religious...bigotry. Do you need me to go over where the various churches oppsed interracial marriage? ERA? Civil Rights movement?
Very similar to what they are doing with gay marriage now.
Yes, I know who Bonhoeffer is. you Christians always use him as the toilken Germany christian who opposed the Nazis.
Bonhoeffer was a LUTHERN. Martin Luther was an inspiration to Hitler, particularly Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies" Sorry you can't "excuse" the German Christians due to Bonhoeffer.
The Vatican did/said little.
Today's Christian opposition to homosexuality is bigotry.
"Yeah, I am arguing it, since I said it was a hybrid of some Christian principles and a lot of anti-semitism,"
I can point to a lot of other Christian beliefs that have bigotry. Mot your churches today (Baptist, Catholic, Pentecostal, Methodist) are fairly bigoted towards gay people, and were towards interracial marriage. So you citing anti-semitism as "proof" it wasn't a form of Christianity doesn't hold up.
I agree Mein Kampf is a joke and from an opinated asshole. The fact remains, Hitler mentions Christianity as the basis for some of his beliefs.
"hybrid of relgion called Positive Christianity"
You are argue the German people weren't Christian then use the name "Christian" in describing them? Common trick.. someone points out some wicked Christian action (lets say from the Vatican) and the protestants will chime in how Catholic is not "Christian" . Christ is in it, so Christian.
Dear Christian fundamentalists, Please try to find a life outside your religion to become human beings and not just walking and talking books proclaiming 2000-year-old allegories. Thank you and have a good day. P.S.: Did you know that the Old Testament contains several uncritical references to incest, debauchery and rape without the slightest mention of any of it being sinful? Maybe it's time to be critical for once. Good luck tackling that challenging new concept. :)
@crimsonsmirk When God commands we obey. We may not understand all God is Trying to TEACH US at the time. But it is important to do as he says.
The old days were very hard. Seems mankinds head is a very hard one, It takes alot to get through the very basics of God and what he is and what he wants to do for us if we just have Faith.
Obey God
Love God
Love yourself
Love your Neighbor
Seems pretty easy doesnt it? Well it isnt for humankind, we just dont want to listen alot.
@ighforever Interesting. So how do you make sure your neighbours are all heterosexual? Do you conduct a survey?
Also, does your god speak to you? Or to anybody you know? Or are you basing your beliefs on a text of which you have never read the original, trusting in the translation of a translation of a translation which was a collection of allegorical texts which you now take literally? And which has been mistranslated, turning "Mariä, the young woman" into "Mary, the virgin".
@ighforever If you chose to believe, that is your decision. But forcing your belief (for the truth of which, by definition, there is no proof) onto others and applying the rules of your religion (your VERSION of your religion, mind you. There are few faiths as divided as the Christian one) to everyone, leading to hatespeech (which by your own definition is sinful as you are supposed to love, not to hate) is both pretentious and presumptuous.
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"You're the one who's brainwashed if you think homosexuality is a healthy and normal lifestyle, "
That's your opinion. I myself don't think religion is normal or healthy. That's certainly a choice...you don't see me advocating for the legal ban of your bullshit religion.
Why did Judism, Chrstianity, Islam, etc reject homosexuality? Because religion is stupid. I mean come on...you guys believe in a vampire like savior, levitation, demon pigs, & my fav...talking snakes.
Society that "survived" is a bit odd in terms of history. Ancient Greece lasted centuries before Christianity and did just fine. Rome ruled the world. They didn't end due to homosexuality.
Like many conservatives, you seem to be a bigot about this.
@TheMattattak where is that society now? Right is still Right no matter what anyone says to the contrary. Those of Christ Jesus, who serve him and are Discipled by him, submit unto him to work his Will not our own. So...... You can talk about this or that society, wont help you. Right is still Right, no matter what you say or do, TRUTH cannot be defeated. Yes, you can say God is Love, but what is Love? Jesus died on the Cross to show that Love, repent and turn from sin, serve King Jesus.
Bible Camps did a good job on you! Now go pray before the end of the world arrives!
P.S.: I'm a christian and I do not follow your opinion. I do not believe in the bible, I believe in God...and God loves everyone even gays...no matter what that old modified book says!
You do realise that the Bible was written by humans like me and you...not by God, not by Jesus, by people just like you and me...it's a 2000 year old book, even if I think it was written hundred of years after Jesus died, so how can you be so sure that it's true. As far as I'm concerned, I think God is laughing at you for believing all that crap.
@TheMattattak God's personality, his Ways and Wisdom are so much different than humans. God is Goodness and Wisdom and Love itself. Man is against all that God is. But a few do take the time to understand him and when they do, they see that he is all they have been longing for there whole lives. You see we were made to have a relationship with God as his Children from the very beginning but Adam did sin and rebelled. Jesus was sent to repair that damage and reconcile all who put faith in him.
"where is that society now? Right is still Right no matter what anyone says to the contrary."
So your thinking is because Greece wasn't Christian and accepted gays, it "fell"?
And yet since you think Christ came and went societies have risen and fallen. It happens. You can't "blame" gay people for that.
1940s GERMANY was very Christian (see Mein Kampf or the use of Christian symbols in Nazism). Like you they hated gays. That Christian gay hating nation fell as well.
@hipstermi roman catholic is not Christian. It is demonic, the babylonian religion in disguise, it pretends to Serve the Living God but is evil working the will of the devil.
Any society that accepts evil as Righteousness will fall. And Fall hard.
It is the Duty and Privilage of all Servants of Christ Jesus to Serve him. We are so humbled to be chosen to do his will, we will do all he asks. Even to giving our lifes, so you might live. Yes, so you can receive a witness and hear the Good News.
I know what fundimentalists teach about Catholics...but the fact remains they also worship Christ. Their beliefs are just as ridiculous and unproven and defying all logic as your church.
All religion is bullshit. So for you to sit there in judement and talk about "demons" ... well you might as well be talking about Bigfoot, Dracula, or fairies to me.
Fact remains Catholics and Protestants oppose gay marriage for the same bigoted reasons, so don't blame "demons" for your bigotry.
Someone mentions that society, you you cite it ending as "proof" homosexuality is "wrong"?
Gays were outlawed in Nazi Germany and they had a form of Christinaity. England used to rule the world, not so much anymore. Christian based France was a world power.
Why didn't being anti gay or believing in a bullshit religion save them?
The greeks only started western civilization. Most your later Christian periods spent a good period of time copying them.
It is Biblically WRONG and I have a right to write my opinion. If U do not like it well so be it. U R BLOCKED so do NOT email me buddy. AND as a Pilot in the US Military, if they reverse the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, there are gonna be some pissed off soldiers believe me!!!!!. We are infested with then today and there is basically nothing we can do about BUT if they allow flamboyant Gays in swishing around and lisping their S's etc etc OMGosh we are in a world of friggn HURT
@hipstermi havent you seen gay parades? folsom street fair? sex clubs? HELLO!!!
NO STERO TYPING THERE SIR. Its all true, go to gay(dot)com, look at all the rooms there, something for everyone! Seen the Advocate lately? Lots of gay porn available too. So....... Who is stereotyping? What ignorance? folsomstreetfair(dot)org check it out.
Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Only in Christ do we have the Promise of Eternal Life, no other path is of God. Amen. All others are damnation.
As opposed to what, the straight sex clubs, strip clubs, brothels. ANd oh yeah...straight porn web pages.
You like most have a double standard for gay people due to your hateful religion.
I don't care about your bullshit religion so you can quit repeating stupid stuff and your bullshit scripture. Learn to think for yourself and grow up- you don't have magical holy ghost powers. And yes, I used to attend church.
@hipstermi no double standard hipstermi, it is all sin. Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs, there gross pride parades marching down a military base, men with men baracks, Truely disgusting. And new laws to persecute and destroy any service member who would not say "gay is ok" it is happening even now. So...
But God says Gay is an Abomination, it is truely a grotesque thing, something so hideous and nasty that God calls it sin but also an ABOMINATION. And I Agree.
Not in my belief system. And since we don't live in a theocracy...that belief is just as valid. Tell me...are you familiar with the concept of "civil rights"?
"Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs"
You know this...how? Crystal ball?
You prove again that Christian often equals bigot, same as when your religion opposed interracial marriage on the basis of "sin" and "the Bible".
@hipstermi no double standard hipstermi, it is all sin. Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs, there gross pride parades marching down a military base, men with men baracks, Truely disgusting. And new laws to persecute and destroy any service member who would not say "gay is ok" it is happening even now. So...
But God says Gay is an Abomination, it is truely a grotesque thing, something so hideous and nasty that God calls it sin but also an ABOMINATION. And I Agree.
Oh golly gosh...you quoted ... scripture! Gasp! What shall I do.
Oh yeah,...I heard that when I was Orthodox...and Pentecostal.
Sorry, you quoting your bullshit religion means about as much to me as someone reading Harry Potter or Tom Sawyer out loud (except Harry or Tom isn't quite so boring).
Your bullshit religion is all about hate and bigotry. Notice how you always oppse any social change (ERA, interracial marriage, civil rights, etc)
@hipstermi Wrong again, Now satan uses people for his own ends, corrupting there Morals, Ethics and Values. Filling them up with his Teachings, there Truely is a book on how to Serve the Devil, the evil one. You become his servant and disciple, spouting his ways and mindset, manipulating to set in motion his plans to rule this world and persecute all God's children. Look what happened to the Lord Jesus. Betrayed, Mock trial, tortured, ridiculed by those he came to save, then murdered.
"Now satan uses people for his own ends, corrupting there Morals, Ethics and Values."
Oh yes...Satan.
Because you weak willed people have to have the invisible boogey man bad guy. I love it in church when preachers say "Satan tempts me..." no that's called being human. There's really no little horned guy sitting on your shoulder whispering bad things.
But I guess for someone like you it takes away responsibility when you do something wrong.
Oh golly gosh...you quoted ... scripture! Gasp! What shall I do.
Oh yeah,...I heard that when I was Orthodox...and Pentecostal.
Sorry, you quoting your bullshit religion means about as much to me as someone reading Harry Potter or Tom Sawyer out loud (except Harry or Tom isn't quite so boring).
Your bullshit religion is all about hate and bigotry. Notice how you always oppse any social change (ERA, interracial marriage, civil rights, etc)
Since you mention Bible, and the military...I must ask you a few questions. Did you ever have pre marital sex? Do you know any service men who has?
Why are those "sinners" let in the military? Why don't you have your self righteous judgement for them as you do for gay people?
It's funny how hypocritical Christians are about "sin". You excuse just about every one- drunks like Bush, coozehounds like McCain, but a man who loves a man makes your head explode.
@hipstermi gay is an Abomination, it is wrong unnatural, immoral, and disgusting. Vile and wicked gross and evil! Yes very evil, satan is luring many into this darkness, saying good is evil and evil is good. Using you hipstermi as his agent, his apostle and disciple to seek out and destroy all opposition to what is Righteous in the eyes of God.
Do not Mock those of Christ for in so doing you mock God.
It is God in reality you really want to hurt, you oppose God and his Christ.
Since we have freedom of religion, I am under no obligation to follow your bullshit religion. No religion is given preference, so why should I give a crap for the Biblical reasons to oppose gay marriage?
You Christian bigots did this in opposing interracial marriage as well.
Challenge- PROVE your bullshit religion is real. This means something other than your mindless copy/paste of scriptures
@hipstermi 2Corinthians 11:12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works
"reverse the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, there are gonna be some pissed off soldiers"
There were pissed off bigot soldiers when the reversed the ban on inter mixed racial troops. Looking back, we did the right thing ignoring "pissed off" bigot conservatives on that one (including Ike).
You haven't given a good argument against gays in the military.
@q102josh Why is it that modern society,with all we know and have achieved,still believe in a load of fiction mostly written thousands of years ago? Most religions are in books written by foreigners a long time ago.A lot of the crap in these bibles is conradictary and bollox! Ha ha,how can all man have come from Adam and Eve and I thought incest is against God and nature?Why the hell are ''straight'' people sooooo bothered what others do with their lives anyway?Hmmmm.....yeah why?;]
I agree with a good percentage of you guys on here.. I believe that gay marriage should be legalized. Just because two of the same sex love each other DOESNT make them bad people...In- fact i do indeed think that gay people are very kind..some of the nicest people i have met. Them getting married is fine with me and alot of other folks out there and i think two people who love eachother should get married like anyone else and be treated fairly... just in my opinion..
@hipstermi You have to understand no matter what being gay today in this society is not a problem we are trying to embrace it more but the facts of life says it's wrong two women can't make a child, two men can't make a child.
Then I must ask you...let's pretend it's 1960 and teh topic is interracial marriage. And someone "disagrees" with you because of some "problem" with blacks marrying whites. or maybe they quote a holy book or political leader.
If if they think they don't hate...they are still by taking that stand, prepetuating bigotry. Do you really want your kids and grant kids to look at you like we look at those people from the past?
You don't get it i disagree with gay rights i don't hate those who are gay i just believe it's wrong in the 1960s whites hated blacks and that's why interracial marriage was looked at the the way it was.
" You don't get it i disagree with gay rights i don't hate those who are gay i just believe it's wrong in the 1960s whites hated blacks and that's why interracial marriage was looked at the the way it was. "
As opposed to today with conservatiges that hate gays? Because...there is that.
If someone in the 60s said "I dont hate blacks I just dont want them marrying whites because it's wrong" you would see them as a bigot.
The reason why I'm different is because racial discrimination and opposing gay rights are two different things but your right in one sense, if someone in the 60s said they don't hate blacks but disagree with them marrying whites it's a form of his or her opinion.
"The reason why I'm different is because racial discrimination and opposing gay rights are two different things"
OK...how?
And don't give me the "born black, not born gay" (which is not true anyway) because the main example was interracial marriage and you can "choose" who you marry.
Religion is a choice...and we let people of any faith marry anyone of any other faith.
you didn't explain why or offer any logical argument.
ANd yes BD, it's possible you may not think yourself a bigot, but by taking these actions...they are of bigotry. They are also founded in this country by some hateful bigots.
Religion has never been proven if that's your beed. That whole "freedom of religion" thing should shut down the christianising of this argument.
Wait, wtf, this bitch is crazy... If anything, all polls show that Americans do not want gay marriage... NEWS FLASH: 18 out of 18 states voted against gay marriage
So that's your reason to opposition- because "commies" wanted it?
If we want guilt by similar association...the Nazis opposed homosexuality based on stupid religion, same as conservatives today. Ever read the Nuremburg laws (of course you havent) that document "defined marriage" and stated which people could marry.
Also the "communist" nations didn't approve homosexuality. It was outlawed...like the conservatives today want to do.
@GSCommander Dude, I'm not gay or anything...but I hope you get saved from being a**-raped by a gay black man...because you're probably racist too. Nah, I take that back because most of them are probably smarter than you.
I totally agree with DaisyDookz by the way, so piss off homophobe.
its aggravating that gay marriage isnt legalized. who are we to tell someone what they can and cant do. if my next door neighbors were gay and they got married. what effect would that have on my life. NOTHING. Just because they're gay and married, doesnt mean i'm going to be gay, it doesn't mean my life is ending. it doesnt EFFECT me. so i dont see what the problem is. and people need to stop hiding behind religion because thats BULL! LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE!
nobody's forcing gays to deny their attractions or raiding gay marriages in churches. gays can freely express their feelings of love in a church and get all the benefits that come with marriage through civil unions down the future. however, as soon as you step outside the private realm of RELIGIOUS marriage and enter into the public sphere of CIVIL marriage, you are subject to the law and public opinion or vote because civil marriage is about public policy.
@kenballer00: Marriage does not equal religion because heterosexual atheists also register to wed but not in any religious organization. Should we call that "atheistic marriage" ? I don't think so.
Marriage equals legal protection provided by the government.
The state is not there to issue love licenses. The only purpose of civil marriage is to PROMOTE responsible procreation and rearing of children. The same reason we don't allow same sex marriage is the same reason we don't allow incest and polygamist marriages. This is why it is a privilege, hence the word "license", because the state does have a right to discriminate against those type of relationships( not individuals) for legitimate state interests.
@kenballer00: Same-sex marriage activists are against both incest and polygamy.
Polygamy means a greedy man who marries more than one wife for the sake of his lust. The reason why people are in favour of gay marriage is because they promote monogamy between same-sex couples. It's completely different from polygamy.
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@Dustoff85 You need Humble Pie. I am a Gay Man and I Do Not Tell you how to Live your life sexually or sexually offend Woman who you are with or who you are as a Person, so DO NOT FUCKING Open Your Mouth and Dare say Shit like that, YOU HAVE NO Right to Bash People Like Me, You don't get to tell me I am wrong, But Your attitude towards Gay People and the Gay Community Makes Me Have the Right to tell you, Your Wrong and WAY Out of Line. I don't tell you Living your Life is wrong, Don't tell Me.
It really tickles me how, "Do you remember who your first gay friend was?" isn't offensive. Ask one of my white friends, "Do you remember who was your first black friend was?" and I would tilt my head and wait for the answer. How ridiculous?
BTW, I'm looking for a gay best friend to go shopping with, gossip and do other effeminate things with....cuz those are clearing the only kind of gay men there are.
I am so disappointed that none of these women exhibit Biblical values. But I guess that comes with the territory that if you can do this kind of show and movie, you probably don't have such values to begin with.
Hahahaha oh my god some of these comments are so hilarious! It's 2010.. THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE AND MORE AND MORE ARE COMING OUT! Get over it seriously :D
in the future there will be a civil war between heterosexuals and homosexuals, not so sure what the purpose is but people have fought for less before.
in the future there will be a civil war between heterosexuals and homosexuals, not so sure what the purpose is but people have fought for less before.
Dioxholster 1 week ago
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I recall in the 60s bigots them claimed there was going to a "racial war." This was usually a reason to oppose the Civil Rights movement.
You know how we view those people today? as crazy bigots. Same will happen to those who now oppose gay marriage.
WOOT IT'S LEGAL IN NEW YORK NOW !
xex0ticbeautyx 3 months ago 2
Smh. Gay, Straight, Transgender, Bisexual, Catholic, Jewish bla bla bla..
All are still human.
Just because something is different , doesn't mean it's disgusting . That sounds ignorant.
xex0ticbeautyx 3 months ago
New Jork is a country side. Come to Netherlands or Madrid :)
AtletismoEu 9 months ago
god man adam and eve. not adam and steve.. but still. its new york, should be legal atleast there..
nirvanaislife2 11 months ago
Seeing SJP talking about her friend who died made me sad
centralviva 1 year ago
cmon peeps stop the hating. the more you hate gays, the more they spread like wildfire. go samantha!
underlastride 1 year ago 5
i love them!
Worldofchange 1 year ago
"it's really disgusting" - GO KIM!!!!! :D
rossgardiner 1 year ago 16
@ighforever You're probably really, really ugly. Most bigots are i find. You probably have ugly clothes too.
Do you eat crustaceans (thats crus-tay-shuns) .. u know.. like crabs and such.
Because leviticus says that is a sin too.
dalhll 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"rying to prove a supernatural being with natural/physical science would ridicuolous now wouldn't it."
Not as ridicuolous as believing in a supernatural being....or worse basing laws and political actions on supernatural beings.
Maybe Congress should addess the TOOTH FAIRY next.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"It has biological overtones that go with it, but it is a choice whether to love them or not. "
Let's say you, a str8 guy, meet & fall in love with "Sue" people "chose" to be/not be couples for reasons.
You & "Sue" decide to not get married (she gets a job in Fiji). it doesn't negate the fact you fell in love with her or preferred the company of her over say a man.
Expecting gays to "chose" to love a woman is cruel to both. Expecting gays to "chose" to be celibate is insane.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
My points you didn't address:
1. gay people exists
2. ask a gay person & they tell you this is not a choice
3. you= straight man, don't know more about this than gays do
4. you have no scientific training in this (nor do I)
5. the views of these gay people count more than yours
6. you base your opinion on...The Bible?
That would be the same book with the vampire like savior, levitation, magic powers, demons & a talking snake, right?
do YOU actually believe in...demons?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
You sidestepped fixed idenitity as the AMA states. Then you mention "former" gay people. Yet the AMA and most medical associations clearly state that oppose reformative therapy. Funny how you "forgot" to mention that.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
First, I never used the term "genetic" to describe homosexual OR hetrosexual love. Scientists, poets, philosophers, etc have tried for year to "define" love.
My point is...it's natural. It is NOT a choice anymore than my love for my wife. I suppose I could "chose" to leave, but that doesn't negate that I love her or fell in love with her.
There is no "genetics" or "choice" in the fact I like strawberries or I hate pea soup. I tried them...i liked/disliked them!
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
Your "archeology" has been spotty at best. And as I said it before...the Temple of Athena doesn't "prove" the Olypiians were "real." So let's hear your archeology.
Which historians do you think say there is proof for the Bible? Those that teach at a bible college and have little to no real degree?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"historical evidence to show much of Christianity is true"
really? Why did no one in the world proclaim all the "darkness" that engulfed it?
Why was there no historic mention of Herod ordering infants killed, despite him having a detailed biographer...and being DEAD in 4 BC?
The crucifixion story differing than what we know of roman law? No mention of a dead guy walking? Someone like Pilate wouldn't have bothered with a local law dispute.
Why was Nero DEAD
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Despite the fact that I said there is archaeological, philosophical, and historical evidence to show much of Christianity is true"
LOL! So "philisophical" evidence proves your bullshit religion is true, but two men who say they are in love is not proof? PHILISOPHICAL?
And no, no legitimate historian has ever said the Bible was true. there can't be "much of Christianity" it has to be all or nothing. Temple of Athena doesnt "prove" Athena was real.
List your "proof".
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
OK, I'm calling you out on your lies.
The AMA states homosexuality is a fixed identity. If that is not natural, then what is a fixed identity? (this is the part you run to wikipedia)
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
You didn't answer the question again- do YOU call the love for your wife/ girl friend "genetic"?
Someone tells you "I have never been in love what's it like" do you given them a lesson on...genetics?
So that answers one of your questions...I never called homo (or hetro) love "genetic". Love is something that happens and "science" doesn't really describe it.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"As far passing laws for divorce, I don't really care to be honest"
But by taking a "Christian" view on homosexuality, you are a hypocrite.
I don't care if gays get married since it doesn't effect my freedom.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"fail on the AMA, since they said no such thing (if i am wrong please tell me where specifically they say that)."
You claim "fail" and they ask me to do your research?
Go look at the AMA's encyclopedia where they use the term "fixed identity"
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
You said a lot about Christians and divorce...and failed to address the actual points:
1. Divorce for the most part is forbidden in the Bible
2. You guys want to pass laws against gay marriage...because of the Bible.
3. Why aren't you guys trying to pass laws against these sinner divorcees from remarrying? You should look at the multiple married likes of John McCain, Reagan, and Limbaugh the same as you look at Ellen DeGeneras or Barney Frank getting married.
Double standard.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Please enlighten me, what study has conclusively proven that being gay is completely genetic and has no bearing on choice whatsoever?"
I've never defined my love for my wife as "genetic".
is that what YOU tell a woman? That sounds sad.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Again, in regards saying something is not natural....you CANNOT prove a negative in an argument."
Let's try breaking this down:
1. gay is NOT a negative.
2. gay people do exist. we have proof (I assume we all know some)
3. existing is a form of nature.
4. we can confirm this existence. (unlike say...God)
5. ASK gay people...they say "it's not a choice"
Logic wins.
Saying "negative" is your bigotry and hatred that comes from Christianity.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
GAY IS NOT A NEGATIVE.
Since we don't see, hear, have proof of your bullshit god...THAT's a negative. You haven't proven that exists. I can ask 100 gay guys and they will say "no it's not a choice" Go pray in 100 churches...and you will not hear from God.
Fact of the matter...you are NOT gay and have no medical expertise in this matter. You subscribe to a religion that teaches demons and spirts are true...why should people believe you?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"If you are going to claim something to be a fact (ex. gay is geentic), then it is up to you to prove it, not"
That's not what I did, liar.
But I want you to play by your own rules-
PROVE your invisible sky genie god is real. And not just a god...the Christian one, because I know all about your "creator" Kirk Cameron style canned reply.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
You also have a lot of nerve talking "opinion". ALL of your belief is based on...Christianity. There is NO PROOF that is even real. It's superstition with stories of magical powers. All you do is regurgitate stuff preachers tell you what to think. Hardly "proof".
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Again, you CANNOT prove a double negative. Oh so by logic you mean "I think this...I think that..""
THERE'S NO DOUBLE NEGATIVE
Let's try this again- I go up and ask 20 gay guys "is being gay a choice" and they say "no, you just ARE" . Christians like you will NOT accept that. Wouldn't
a gay person knows more about what was a choice for him than you, a presumably straight guy.
You can't prove gay is a choice. You quote a superstition books that has "demons" & agenda preachers
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"what study has conclusively proven that being gay is completely genetic and has no bearing on choice whatsoever"
Again...what study has proven it's NOT a choice like Christians claim?
Let's try simple logic...did you ever talk to a gay person about this? I mean asking someone "is it a choice" could clear it up for you.
Then look at what the American Medical Assoc., American Psychiatric assoc, American Psycological Assoc. say "sexual orientation is not a choice"
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"saying there is no proof being gay is NOT a choice is a double negative, and you can never prove a negative"
So let me get this straight...Christians claim "no proof gay is a choice" and that's somehow OK with you.
I say "no proof gay is NOT a choice" and you dismiss it? Another example of Christian double standard.
And if you want to talk rational with me...please address Christians believing in...demons. Do you believe in demons?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"The question of whether or not someone is "born gay" or makes some conscious or unconscious choice to be gay different than race since you can't choose that"
points you didn't adress:
1. logic- why would someone "choose" to be gay with all the hatred? Especially in the past.
2. you still haven't proven it's NOT natural...yet you have argued "gay is a choice".
3. Religion IS a choice...& you would scream bloody murder if there were laws forbidding Christians from marriage
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
Reguardless of what YOU say Christians have used the Bible to forbid interracial marriage.
You try to find a loophole with "certain circumstances" but people get divorced for minor stuff these days. Your Christian hypocrisy - forbid by law gay people from getting married based on the Bible ... but a couple divorced (with no affair) can get remarried. Then you had to "pretend to not get it" with listing "certain circumstances".
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"race is something on can not choose, while there has no diffinitive proof the being gay is completely gentic and has no element of choice"
Three things wrong with your canned CHristian reply:
1. it's not a choice.
2. even if it was...this is still the land with freedom to choose, like you choose religion
3. NOT being a theocracy, what Christians think doesnt equal law or civil rights. It is not the only belief systems, but selfish Christians want it to be the only one that counts.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Also, what makes the whole gay issue different is that race is something on can not choose, while there has no diffinitive proof the being gay is completely gentic and has no element of choice."
There is no "proof" being gay is NOT a choice, but you Christians insist that, despite a lack of science or research in your view.
There is no "proof" Christianity is real.
What "proof" do you have to the divinity of Christ? quoting scripture doesn't count as "proof".
hipstermi 1 year ago
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@benjmann2
"what makes the whole gay issue different is that race is something on can not choose"
Canned Christian comeback. science tells us you don't "choose" being gay either.
But let's go with your bullshit-
you can "choose" who you marry, and Christians opposed interracial marriage.
You CAN "choose" a religion, and the church has a history of opposing different religions.
You "choose" to get divorced & its against the Bible. You guys let divorcees remarry.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"With that being said, to even call it Christianity is a joke, simply because it violates most of the techings of Christ himself"
The same can also be said for most "denominations".
Funny to hear them squabble about each other. Hagge on Catholics? Catholics on Protestants? Petecostals on everyone else? All are "lost," don't have "full truth".
In this thread one of you dipshit Christians called the Catholics "denomic" So we have a grown Christian man who believes in...DEMONS!
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Gay marriage framkly is a much different issue than any of those"
Not really.We have people saying The bullshit Bible forbids it...same as we did interracial marriage. Then again, until the 60s Christians used to care about divorce. Funny how they hypocritically excuse that.
And 20- 50 years from now you will have people who look at "the faithful" as ignorant bigots...same as we do now to people who used the Bible to justify opposition to interracial marriage.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
All version of Christianity and Luthernism.
A disturbing trend among the religious...bigotry. Do you need me to go over where the various churches oppsed interracial marriage? ERA? Civil Rights movement?
Very similar to what they are doing with gay marriage now.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
Yes, I know who Bonhoeffer is. you Christians always use him as the toilken Germany christian who opposed the Nazis.
Bonhoeffer was a LUTHERN. Martin Luther was an inspiration to Hitler, particularly Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies" Sorry you can't "excuse" the German Christians due to Bonhoeffer.
The Vatican did/said little.
Today's Christian opposition to homosexuality is bigotry.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
"Yeah, I am arguing it, since I said it was a hybrid of some Christian principles and a lot of anti-semitism,"
I can point to a lot of other Christian beliefs that have bigotry. Mot your churches today (Baptist, Catholic, Pentecostal, Methodist) are fairly bigoted towards gay people, and were towards interracial marriage. So you citing anti-semitism as "proof" it wasn't a form of Christianity doesn't hold up.
"does not make it Christian."
Fine, a FORM of "Christianity"
hipstermi 1 year ago
@benjmann2
I agree Mein Kampf is a joke and from an opinated asshole. The fact remains, Hitler mentions Christianity as the basis for some of his beliefs.
"hybrid of relgion called Positive Christianity"
You are argue the German people weren't Christian then use the name "Christian" in describing them? Common trick.. someone points out some wicked Christian action (lets say from the Vatican) and the protestants will chime in how Catholic is not "Christian" . Christ is in it, so Christian.
hipstermi 1 year ago
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nevans007 1 year ago
Dear Christian fundamentalists, Please try to find a life outside your religion to become human beings and not just walking and talking books proclaiming 2000-year-old allegories. Thank you and have a good day. P.S.: Did you know that the Old Testament contains several uncritical references to incest, debauchery and rape without the slightest mention of any of it being sinful? Maybe it's time to be critical for once. Good luck tackling that challenging new concept. :)
crimsonsmirk 1 year ago
@crimsonsmirk When God commands we obey. We may not understand all God is Trying to TEACH US at the time. But it is important to do as he says.
The old days were very hard. Seems mankinds head is a very hard one, It takes alot to get through the very basics of God and what he is and what he wants to do for us if we just have Faith.
Obey God
Love God
Love yourself
Love your Neighbor
Seems pretty easy doesnt it? Well it isnt for humankind, we just dont want to listen alot.
Jesus is Lord.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever Interesting. So how do you make sure your neighbours are all heterosexual? Do you conduct a survey?
Also, does your god speak to you? Or to anybody you know? Or are you basing your beliefs on a text of which you have never read the original, trusting in the translation of a translation of a translation which was a collection of allegorical texts which you now take literally? And which has been mistranslated, turning "Mariä, the young woman" into "Mary, the virgin".
crimsonsmirk 1 year ago
@ighforever If you chose to believe, that is your decision. But forcing your belief (for the truth of which, by definition, there is no proof) onto others and applying the rules of your religion (your VERSION of your religion, mind you. There are few faiths as divided as the Christian one) to everyone, leading to hatespeech (which by your own definition is sinful as you are supposed to love, not to hate) is both pretentious and presumptuous.
crimsonsmirk 1 year ago
@ighforever
"When God commands we obey"
Whic "God" would that be? Vishnu is a lot different than Jesus. Also, you are aware we have a freedom of religion? This includes non belief.
"Jesus is Lord"
Proof? (quoting scripture is not proof)
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@q102josh
"You're the one who's brainwashed if you think homosexuality is a healthy and normal lifestyle, "
That's your opinion. I myself don't think religion is normal or healthy. That's certainly a choice...you don't see me advocating for the legal ban of your bullshit religion.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@q102josh
"Why is it that traditional Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism reject homosexual marriage?"
You are wrong about Buddhism.
As to the others... they are the same religions that rejected interracial marriage, so screw them and their ignorant hatred.
How can you excuse the violent, hateful history of those religions?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@q102josh
Why did Judism, Chrstianity, Islam, etc reject homosexuality? Because religion is stupid. I mean come on...you guys believe in a vampire like savior, levitation, demon pigs, & my fav...talking snakes.
Society that "survived" is a bit odd in terms of history. Ancient Greece lasted centuries before Christianity and did just fine. Rome ruled the world. They didn't end due to homosexuality.
Like many conservatives, you seem to be a bigot about this.
Seriously...talking snakes?
hipstermi 1 year ago
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gottaloveCullen 1 year ago
@q102josh
During the Greek Empire homosexuality was accepted and "normal". Go look it up, you might be very suprised to see what kind of society it was...
TheMattattak 1 year ago
@TheMattattak where is that society now? Right is still Right no matter what anyone says to the contrary. Those of Christ Jesus, who serve him and are Discipled by him, submit unto him to work his Will not our own. So...... You can talk about this or that society, wont help you. Right is still Right, no matter what you say or do, TRUTH cannot be defeated. Yes, you can say God is Love, but what is Love? Jesus died on the Cross to show that Love, repent and turn from sin, serve King Jesus.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
Bible Camps did a good job on you! Now go pray before the end of the world arrives!
P.S.: I'm a christian and I do not follow your opinion. I do not believe in the bible, I believe in God...and God loves everyone even gays...no matter what that old modified book says!
TheMattattak 1 year ago
@TheMattattak If you do not believe the Holy Word of God, then you are not Saved.
59 I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.
60 I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.
61 The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law.
62 At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments.
63 I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts.
continued........
ighforever 1 year ago
@TheMattattak Psalm 119:64 The earth, O LORD, is full of thy mercy: teach me thy statutes.
65Thou hast dealt well with thy servant, O LORD, according unto thy word.
66Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.
67Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.
68Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
Read all of Psalm 119
Jesus is Lord
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
You do realise that the Bible was written by humans like me and you...not by God, not by Jesus, by people just like you and me...it's a 2000 year old book, even if I think it was written hundred of years after Jesus died, so how can you be so sure that it's true. As far as I'm concerned, I think God is laughing at you for believing all that crap.
TheMattattak 1 year ago
@TheMattattak God's personality, his Ways and Wisdom are so much different than humans. God is Goodness and Wisdom and Love itself. Man is against all that God is. But a few do take the time to understand him and when they do, they see that he is all they have been longing for there whole lives. You see we were made to have a relationship with God as his Children from the very beginning but Adam did sin and rebelled. Jesus was sent to repair that damage and reconcile all who put faith in him.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
"where is that society now? Right is still Right no matter what anyone says to the contrary."
So your thinking is because Greece wasn't Christian and accepted gays, it "fell"?
And yet since you think Christ came and went societies have risen and fallen. It happens. You can't "blame" gay people for that.
1940s GERMANY was very Christian (see Mein Kampf or the use of Christian symbols in Nazism). Like you they hated gays. That Christian gay hating nation fell as well.
hipstermi 1 year ago 4
@hipstermi roman catholic is not Christian. It is demonic, the babylonian religion in disguise, it pretends to Serve the Living God but is evil working the will of the devil.
Any society that accepts evil as Righteousness will fall. And Fall hard.
It is the Duty and Privilage of all Servants of Christ Jesus to Serve him. We are so humbled to be chosen to do his will, we will do all he asks. Even to giving our lifes, so you might live. Yes, so you can receive a witness and hear the Good News.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
I know what fundimentalists teach about Catholics...but the fact remains they also worship Christ. Their beliefs are just as ridiculous and unproven and defying all logic as your church.
All religion is bullshit. So for you to sit there in judement and talk about "demons" ... well you might as well be talking about Bigfoot, Dracula, or fairies to me.
Fact remains Catholics and Protestants oppose gay marriage for the same bigoted reasons, so don't blame "demons" for your bigotry.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@ighforever
"where is that society now?"
Someone mentions that society, you you cite it ending as "proof" homosexuality is "wrong"?
Gays were outlawed in Nazi Germany and they had a form of Christinaity. England used to rule the world, not so much anymore. Christian based France was a world power.
Why didn't being anti gay or believing in a bullshit religion save them?
The greeks only started western civilization. Most your later Christian periods spent a good period of time copying them.
hipstermi 1 year ago
It is Biblically WRONG and I have a right to write my opinion. If U do not like it well so be it. U R BLOCKED so do NOT email me buddy. AND as a Pilot in the US Military, if they reverse the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, there are gonna be some pissed off soldiers believe me!!!!!. We are infested with then today and there is basically nothing we can do about BUT if they allow flamboyant Gays in swishing around and lisping their S's etc etc OMGosh we are in a world of friggn HURT
Dustoff85 1 year ago
@Dustoff85
The Bible is not the only belief system, nor has it ever been proven. Try science it disagrees with you.
As to the military, at one time many in the military opposed mixed racial troops yet we got over that.
ANd people being openly gay is not "flamboyant swishing". That's bigotry/ sterotyping on your part from ignorance.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi havent you seen gay parades? folsom street fair? sex clubs? HELLO!!!
NO STERO TYPING THERE SIR. Its all true, go to gay(dot)com, look at all the rooms there, something for everyone! Seen the Advocate lately? Lots of gay porn available too. So....... Who is stereotyping? What ignorance? folsomstreetfair(dot)org check it out.
Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Only in Christ do we have the Promise of Eternal Life, no other path is of God. Amen. All others are damnation.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
As opposed to what, the straight sex clubs, strip clubs, brothels. ANd oh yeah...straight porn web pages.
You like most have a double standard for gay people due to your hateful religion.
I don't care about your bullshit religion so you can quit repeating stupid stuff and your bullshit scripture. Learn to think for yourself and grow up- you don't have magical holy ghost powers. And yes, I used to attend church.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi no double standard hipstermi, it is all sin. Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs, there gross pride parades marching down a military base, men with men baracks, Truely disgusting. And new laws to persecute and destroy any service member who would not say "gay is ok" it is happening even now. So...
But God says Gay is an Abomination, it is truely a grotesque thing, something so hideous and nasty that God calls it sin but also an ABOMINATION. And I Agree.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever The biblical use of "Abomination" simply means untraditional. So what is so bad about being untraditional?
ponyboy316 1 year ago
@ighforever
"no double standard hipstermi, it is all sin."
Not in my belief system. And since we don't live in a theocracy...that belief is just as valid. Tell me...are you familiar with the concept of "civil rights"?
"Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs"
You know this...how? Crystal ball?
You prove again that Christian often equals bigot, same as when your religion opposed interracial marriage on the basis of "sin" and "the Bible".
hipstermi 1 year ago
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@hipstermi no double standard hipstermi, it is all sin. Now in the military gays would set up there own gay clubs, there gross pride parades marching down a military base, men with men baracks, Truely disgusting. And new laws to persecute and destroy any service member who would not say "gay is ok" it is happening even now. So...
But God says Gay is an Abomination, it is truely a grotesque thing, something so hideous and nasty that God calls it sin but also an ABOMINATION. And I Agree.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
Oh golly gosh...you quoted ... scripture! Gasp! What shall I do.
Oh yeah,...I heard that when I was Orthodox...and Pentecostal.
Sorry, you quoting your bullshit religion means about as much to me as someone reading Harry Potter or Tom Sawyer out loud (except Harry or Tom isn't quite so boring).
Your bullshit religion is all about hate and bigotry. Notice how you always oppse any social change (ERA, interracial marriage, civil rights, etc)
hipstermi 1 year ago
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@hipstermi Wrong again, Now satan uses people for his own ends, corrupting there Morals, Ethics and Values. Filling them up with his Teachings, there Truely is a book on how to Serve the Devil, the evil one. You become his servant and disciple, spouting his ways and mindset, manipulating to set in motion his plans to rule this world and persecute all God's children. Look what happened to the Lord Jesus. Betrayed, Mock trial, tortured, ridiculed by those he came to save, then murdered.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
"Now satan uses people for his own ends, corrupting there Morals, Ethics and Values."
Oh yes...Satan.
Because you weak willed people have to have the invisible boogey man bad guy. I love it in church when preachers say "Satan tempts me..." no that's called being human. There's really no little horned guy sitting on your shoulder whispering bad things.
But I guess for someone like you it takes away responsibility when you do something wrong.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@ighforever
Oh golly gosh...you quoted ... scripture! Gasp! What shall I do.
Oh yeah,...I heard that when I was Orthodox...and Pentecostal.
Sorry, you quoting your bullshit religion means about as much to me as someone reading Harry Potter or Tom Sawyer out loud (except Harry or Tom isn't quite so boring).
Your bullshit religion is all about hate and bigotry. Notice how you always oppse any social change (ERA, interracial marriage, civil rights, etc)
hipstermi 1 year ago
@ighforever Good for you. Walk off a cliff and claim your prize.
ponyboy316 1 year ago
@Dustoff85
Since you mention Bible, and the military...I must ask you a few questions. Did you ever have pre marital sex? Do you know any service men who has?
Why are those "sinners" let in the military? Why don't you have your self righteous judgement for them as you do for gay people?
It's funny how hypocritical Christians are about "sin". You excuse just about every one- drunks like Bush, coozehounds like McCain, but a man who loves a man makes your head explode.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi gay is an Abomination, it is wrong unnatural, immoral, and disgusting. Vile and wicked gross and evil! Yes very evil, satan is luring many into this darkness, saying good is evil and evil is good. Using you hipstermi as his agent, his apostle and disciple to seek out and destroy all opposition to what is Righteous in the eyes of God.
Do not Mock those of Christ for in so doing you mock God.
It is God in reality you really want to hurt, you oppose God and his Christ.
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ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever
Since we have freedom of religion, I am under no obligation to follow your bullshit religion. No religion is given preference, so why should I give a crap for the Biblical reasons to oppose gay marriage?
You Christian bigots did this in opposing interracial marriage as well.
Challenge- PROVE your bullshit religion is real. This means something other than your mindless copy/paste of scriptures
hipstermi 1 year ago 5
@ighforever When was the last time you had shellfish? Touched a woman who was on her period? Wore two different materials at the same time?
ponyboy316 1 year ago
@hipstermi 2Corinthians 11:12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works
ighforever 1 year ago
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hipstermi 1 year ago
@Dustoff85
"It is Biblically WRONG"
Prove the Bible is "right"
"I have a right to write my opinion"
Your "opinion" is that of a bigot.
"reverse the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, there are gonna be some pissed off soldiers"
There were pissed off bigot soldiers when the reversed the ban on inter mixed racial troops. Looking back, we did the right thing ignoring "pissed off" bigot conservatives on that one (including Ike).
You haven't given a good argument against gays in the military.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@Dustoff85
I'm going to repeat a question you were afraid to answer:
Since you mention Bible, and the military...I must ask you a few questions. Did you ever have pre marital sex? Do you know any service men who has?
Why are those "sinners" let in the military?
What about the divorced sinners in the military?
What about the sinners who lied, get drunk, have stolen, etc. in the military?
Or are you going to tell me the military has sober guys who are celibate and/or married only?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@q102josh You are not correct about all of those religions. Do not speak of that whihc you do not know.
dalhll 1 year ago
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dalhll 1 year ago
@q102josh Why is it that modern society,with all we know and have achieved,still believe in a load of fiction mostly written thousands of years ago? Most religions are in books written by foreigners a long time ago.A lot of the crap in these bibles is conradictary and bollox! Ha ha,how can all man have come from Adam and Eve and I thought incest is against God and nature?Why the hell are ''straight'' people sooooo bothered what others do with their lives anyway?Hmmmm.....yeah why?;]
XxpauldadudexX 1 year ago
The opposition to gay marriage is simply a religious one - which has no place in the political arena. Or at least it SHOULDN'T
AJKLOPOTOSKI 1 year ago
I agree with a good percentage of you guys on here.. I believe that gay marriage should be legalized. Just because two of the same sex love each other DOESNT make them bad people...In- fact i do indeed think that gay people are very kind..some of the nicest people i have met. Them getting married is fine with me and alot of other folks out there and i think two people who love eachother should get married like anyone else and be treated fairly... just in my opinion..
MakeMeSmile1994 1 year ago
If 70% of America disagrees with gay marriage there's something wrong with it how do you approve two men kissing each other at all???
bdboyferrari 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
At one time more than 70% didn't approve of ERA, interracial marriage, or civil rights. Meaning the majority is not always right.
As usual- the church backed up those oppositions just like they are doing to gay marriage. Yet anther reason not to believe your profane bible.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi You have to understand no matter what being gay today in this society is not a problem we are trying to embrace it more but the facts of life says it's wrong two women can't make a child, two men can't make a child.
bdboyferrari 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
That's a stupid fucking canned answer everyone has heard a million times. Why repeat it? You aren't bringing anything "new" to the discussion.
My brother and his wife choose not to have kids.
I know a couple where the man had chemo in his 30s and is sterile. My aunt didn't get married till her 40s.
"can't make a child" is no excuse for opposing gay marriage. Opposing it is bigotry.
Be honest...are you Christian?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
"70% of America disagrees with gay marriage there's something wrong with it"
So when 70% of American disagreed with interracial marriage or women voting that was "wrong"?
"how do you approve two men kissing"
Same way society got over a black guy kissing a white girl I suppose.
I notice, as usual, you mention "two men kissing". Do you not have your "problem" with lesbians? Why?
hipstermi 1 year ago
I do not hate anyone but i do have my disagreements and i'm shure you do to
bdboyferrari 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
Then I must ask you...let's pretend it's 1960 and teh topic is interracial marriage. And someone "disagrees" with you because of some "problem" with blacks marrying whites. or maybe they quote a holy book or political leader.
If if they think they don't hate...they are still by taking that stand, prepetuating bigotry. Do you really want your kids and grant kids to look at you like we look at those people from the past?
hipstermi 1 year ago
You don't get it i disagree with gay rights i don't hate those who are gay i just believe it's wrong in the 1960s whites hated blacks and that's why interracial marriage was looked at the the way it was.
bdboyferrari 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
" You don't get it i disagree with gay rights i don't hate those who are gay i just believe it's wrong in the 1960s whites hated blacks and that's why interracial marriage was looked at the the way it was. "
As opposed to today with conservatiges that hate gays? Because...there is that.
If someone in the 60s said "I dont hate blacks I just dont want them marrying whites because it's wrong" you would see them as a bigot.
You didn't explain how you are any different.
hipstermi 1 year ago
The reason why I'm different is because racial discrimination and opposing gay rights are two different things but your right in one sense, if someone in the 60s said they don't hate blacks but disagree with them marrying whites it's a form of his or her opinion.
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@bdboyferrari
"The reason why I'm different is because racial discrimination and opposing gay rights are two different things"
OK...how?
And don't give me the "born black, not born gay" (which is not true anyway) because the main example was interracial marriage and you can "choose" who you marry.
Religion is a choice...and we let people of any faith marry anyone of any other faith.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@bdboyferrari
" i just believe it's wrong"
you didn't explain why or offer any logical argument.
ANd yes BD, it's possible you may not think yourself a bigot, but by taking these actions...they are of bigotry. They are also founded in this country by some hateful bigots.
Religion has never been proven if that's your beed. That whole "freedom of religion" thing should shut down the christianising of this argument.
hipstermi 1 year ago
when kristin came on i was like WHOA ROBOT ON COKE
twispious 1 year ago
Wait, wtf, this bitch is crazy... If anything, all polls show that Americans do not want gay marriage... NEWS FLASH: 18 out of 18 states voted against gay marriage
retownsend 1 year ago
What's wrong with loving someone of the same sex??? ... since when feelings have gender???
lalax1508 1 year ago 2
@lalax1508 There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, Lala. ;)
Michellelombardo 1 year ago
Kristin Davis is fucking nuts
ottopotomas 1 year ago
Google: Communist Goals 1963 Congressional Record
COMMUNIST GOAL # 26
Present Degeneracy, Homosexuality and Promiscuity as "normal natural and healthy."
biometricsislavery 1 year ago
@biometricsislavery
So that's your reason to opposition- because "commies" wanted it?
If we want guilt by similar association...the Nazis opposed homosexuality based on stupid religion, same as conservatives today. Ever read the Nuremburg laws (of course you havent) that document "defined marriage" and stated which people could marry.
Also the "communist" nations didn't approve homosexuality. It was outlawed...like the conservatives today want to do.
hipstermi 1 year ago
Of course they agree with Gay marriage since most of their fans are gay.
Fuck all faggots and dikes by the way and I hope that you never get marriage rights!
GSCommander 1 year ago
@GSCommander Dude, I'm not gay or anything...but I hope you get saved from being a**-raped by a gay black man...because you're probably racist too. Nah, I take that back because most of them are probably smarter than you.
I totally agree with DaisyDookz by the way, so piss off homophobe.
AnnaDahmer666 1 year ago
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@GSCommander
"Fuck all faggots and dikes by the way and I hope that you never get marriage rights! "
Typical angry not so bright conservative. These american citizens deserve the same rights you and I enjoy (and yes I am straight and married).
I mean, if angry bigots like you can marry, why not gay people?
hipstermi 1 year ago
Its good they aren't talking about their movie, because it BOMBED SO HARD.
Now they are fishing for pitty views from the gay community. rofl! xD
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
its aggravating that gay marriage isnt legalized. who are we to tell someone what they can and cant do. if my next door neighbors were gay and they got married. what effect would that have on my life. NOTHING. Just because they're gay and married, doesnt mean i'm going to be gay, it doesn't mean my life is ending. it doesnt EFFECT me. so i dont see what the problem is. and people need to stop hiding behind religion because thats BULL! LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE!
DaisyDookz 1 year ago
@DaisyDookz
nobody's forcing gays to deny their attractions or raiding gay marriages in churches. gays can freely express their feelings of love in a church and get all the benefits that come with marriage through civil unions down the future. however, as soon as you step outside the private realm of RELIGIOUS marriage and enter into the public sphere of CIVIL marriage, you are subject to the law and public opinion or vote because civil marriage is about public policy.
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00: Marriage does not equal religion because heterosexual atheists also register to wed but not in any religious organization. Should we call that "atheistic marriage" ? I don't think so.
Marriage equals legal protection provided by the government.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard
The state is not there to issue love licenses. The only purpose of civil marriage is to PROMOTE responsible procreation and rearing of children. The same reason we don't allow same sex marriage is the same reason we don't allow incest and polygamist marriages. This is why it is a privilege, hence the word "license", because the state does have a right to discriminate against those type of relationships( not individuals) for legitimate state interests.
kenballer00 11 months ago
@kenballer00: Same-sex marriage activists are against both incest and polygamy.
Polygamy means a greedy man who marries more than one wife for the sake of his lust. The reason why people are in favour of gay marriage is because they promote monogamy between same-sex couples. It's completely different from polygamy.
Have you read about the article regarding the rise of human population ? There will be more than 9 billion people in the next 30 years whilst our planet never grows larger.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
YOU ARE GAY IF YOU WATCH SEX AND THE CITY!
vekka220 1 year ago
@vekka220 agree !
PilotOfTheCaribean 1 year ago
@vekka220
Hehe...I'm a straight guy and loved the show.
And...having it on dvd made a great excuse to get women to come over. Then again, being smarter than the average homophobic conservative christian bigot usually gave me an advantage over guys like you as well.
hipstermi 1 year ago
What Was The Song At The End?
TheJimmyAndCo 1 year ago
@q102josh 1) How is a gay relationship any more unhealthy than a straight one? And 2) What consequences to society?
xxxFabby 1 year ago
IF UR GAY, UR GOING TO DIE!
vekka220 1 year ago
@vekka220 your a dick
awsomeness11able 1 year ago
@vekka220 and so are you. now that we have that cleared up. lets all go party
DaisyDookz 1 year ago
@vekka220 Shit you better make your funeral arrangements then huh,Mary!
XxpauldadudexX 1 year ago
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@vekka220
"IF UR GAY, UR GOING TO DIE!"
Really? Then why did my heterosexual grandfather pass away?
Was the late Ronald Reagan gay?
You muse adit how utterly stupid your comment was given the fact everyone dies.
hipstermi 1 year ago
lol the red head is drunk look at her reactions
TheAntiSisters 1 year ago
I am Gay, IF YOU GUYS BITCH about Gays, those who are Straight, If You are Going to Bitch about Gay People, and How "Wrong" we are, Then this is what will happen to this Video,.... This Video, is NOT for People to Bitch about Gays and Bash People, If U Don't agree, shut Up and Leave.
DBomb3500 1 year ago 2
@DBomb3500 Too true! Sadly there are a lotta sexually hung up selfhating closetcases who like to get their self hate out on vids like this!When they flame and squeel their bitch crap out at gays,its themselves theyre really babbling to,LOL! I find them hilarious,trying to convince the world they aint gay! But we all know cuz its sooooooo obvious!;))
XxpauldadudexX 1 year ago
The speak very movingly to the topic. Wish the movie was as good as this video.
StephenHoltShow 1 year ago
the red head is smart
ArturoStojanoff 1 year ago
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WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL DISGUSTING WOMEN
Dustoff85 1 year ago
@Dustoff85 :
Don't you love it when hollywood tries to push their ideals and morals or lack thereof down our throats.
ScarlettKnights 1 year ago
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@ScarlettKnights
"Don't you love it when hollywood tries to push their ideals and morals or lack thereof down our throats. "
As opposed to when the GOP and the churches push the ideals and bigotry down our throats.
This is just a movie...you dickheads will claim "god" told you to do something.
hipstermi 1 year ago
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BS Gay marriage and Gays in the Military SUX. It is just wrong not to mention DISTRUSTING.
Dustoff85 1 year ago
@Dustoff85 You need Humble Pie. I am a Gay Man and I Do Not Tell you how to Live your life sexually or sexually offend Woman who you are with or who you are as a Person, so DO NOT FUCKING Open Your Mouth and Dare say Shit like that, YOU HAVE NO Right to Bash People Like Me, You don't get to tell me I am wrong, But Your attitude towards Gay People and the Gay Community Makes Me Have the Right to tell you, Your Wrong and WAY Out of Line. I don't tell you Living your Life is wrong, Don't tell Me.
DBomb3500 1 year ago 2
@q102josh you ass.
what do you have against all people having equal rights! it's in the constitution that all men are created equal, so why should gays be teh exception.
counterfeit implies fraud, and there is nothing fraudulant about two gay men or women who are in love getting married.
paulz726 1 year ago 2
It really tickles me how, "Do you remember who your first gay friend was?" isn't offensive. Ask one of my white friends, "Do you remember who was your first black friend was?" and I would tilt my head and wait for the answer. How ridiculous?
BTW, I'm looking for a gay best friend to go shopping with, gossip and do other effeminate things with....cuz those are clearing the only kind of gay men there are.
VeryLittleGrace 1 year ago 4
I am so disappointed that none of these women exhibit Biblical values. But I guess that comes with the territory that if you can do this kind of show and movie, you probably don't have such values to begin with.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
Cynthia Nixon looks beautiful!
rysky9 1 year ago
Is it just me or does Kristin Davis seem a bit mental here?
Clangerdave 1 year ago 8
@ 0:12 is the ugliest creature i ever seen.
Dioxholster 1 year ago
it's fucking totalitarian fascism. that's what it is.
waksibra 1 year ago
Hahahaha oh my god some of these comments are so hilarious! It's 2010.. THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE AND MORE AND MORE ARE COMING OUT! Get over it seriously :D
xPiecesOfMe 1 year ago
This movie sucks.
bluemystic7501 1 year ago
sex and the city is more about gays than about women.
Dioxholster 1 year ago
wasnt AIDS created by US government to get rid of gays?
Dioxholster 1 year ago
@Dioxholster
What proof do you have for this?
Not sure if you heard...but straight people get aids.
You know which group gets it the LEAST? Gay WOMEN.
hipstermi 1 year ago
in the future there will be a civil war between heterosexuals and homosexuals, not so sure what the purpose is but people have fought for less before.
Dioxholster 1 year ago
@Dioxholster lol, great trollin man.
btw, homophobia sucks. gays have as much a right to be allowed to marry as anyone else.
paulz726 1 year ago 2
@Dioxholster
You sound very ignorant. You remind me of the bigots of yesteryear who in the 50s and 60s were worried about a "racial civil war".
Guess what...it didn't happen that way.
Gays are Americans same as you. Get over it.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@Dioxholster
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in the future there will be a civil war between heterosexuals and homosexuals, not so sure what the purpose is but people have fought for less before.
Dioxholster 1 week ago
Respond to this video... "
I recall in the 60s bigots them claimed there was going to a "racial war." This was usually a reason to oppose the Civil Rights movement.
You know how we view those people today? as crazy bigots. Same will happen to those who now oppose gay marriage.
hipstermi 1 year ago
even if you got rid of all the gay people living right now,
gays would still come back in your children
Siireon 1 year ago