I can help you with my company...in China. This is "Call center" so as we answer all over the world we also can take control of certain airports. Everything is question of money&negotiation.
I can help you with my company...in China. This is "Call center" so as we answer all over the world we also can take control of certain airports. Everything is question of money&negotiation.
One minor example of where this will cost lives: when you have a disoriented pilot, familiarity with local topography and landmarks are essential. I have made pilot saves in the past where my knowledge of local geography was probably the difference between life & death for the pilot & passengers.
On the plus side, the visual tracking aids could be very helpful when trying to find a white cessna on a hazy day.
@dlsamson So what made you thing from the video, that the Twr controller wasn't familiar with the local topography???? How did you learn the topography where you work??? This is stupid argument.
Well that depends doesn't it? If you have controllers who certify at a particular airport and continue to work there for a period of time, they become familiar with the local users and the local characteristics. This technology would make it very easy to create a disconnect between the controllers and the users. Will a controller in Indonesia be as conscientious towards working traffic for an airport in Canada as would a controller who lives in the community?
Like so many aspects of new technology, it is a double edged sword that is dependent on those who implement its use for whether or not it is beneficial.
@dlsamson Who or where did you ever see that the Airports will be controlled by different ATSA then the one in the country? Why you think this will be certified like that???
@Xumepoc It has been the trend in so many other aspects of society where the desire to reduce labor costs has trumped many other priorities. I don't think anybody with any understanding of the system will support it but that hasn't stopped the bean counters yet.
More importantly, humans don't build infallible systems. When you lose power in a remote tower (or even to just an important camera) you can lose everything. In a real tower, as long as I have a working radio and my eyeballs, I can make a significant contribution to keeping pilots alive. I think there are some great technologies here that can be of significant aid but as someone with a physics degree I am very wary of relying too much on our technology. It is always important to have a backup.
As an air traffic controller I believe that this could have some utility at unserved airports or for the midnight shift where regular towers have shut down.
I am concerned that the "bean-counters" will utilize this to outsource controller jobs to places where labor is cheaper or worse yet to try and fully automate ATC. It has been my experience that most engineers and "bean-counters" really only have the dimmest notion of what it is that controllers actually do.
This is the utter stupidity... the inventors of this dream clearly don't have a CLUE about ATC. Everything is in the first titles :combining reduced costs with safety. I'm an ATC and i can't see how a tower controller could work properly for several airports.... away from them. This is a delirious attempt to gain some easy money by removing ATCs. Safety is not a bargain, people. Some activities are NOT meant to produce benefits.You'll never replace the human presence by some "fancy " tech.
Thanks for engaging in the debate! The system has been tested for more than three years with good results. Safety issues are addressed from a technological point of view and with the ATCO’s operational performance in mind. HD resolution and PTZ cameras performs significantly better than the traditional window view at many times. Heads-up presentation of tracks and labels and other vital information enables greater situational awareness in complex traffic situations. Safety is our no. 1 priority.
Good for using at remote sites like Haiti, Africa, rural airports and such. Looks cheaper yet more flexible than FAA's proposed $40 billion Next Generation Air Transportation System too.
@Ezugyenincs; We are working together with variuos stakeholders to ceritfy and get operational approval for the system. We expect a common framework to be distilled during the years to come.
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I can help you with my company...in China. This is "Call center" so as we answer all over the world we also can take control of certain airports. Everything is question of money&negotiation.
shturqka 3 months ago
I can help you with my company...in China. This is "Call center" so as we answer all over the world we also can take control of certain airports. Everything is question of money&negotiation.
shturqka 3 months ago
..bad idea!!
cianuli 4 months ago
pretty cool
TheSeven8Seven 4 months ago
One minor example of where this will cost lives: when you have a disoriented pilot, familiarity with local topography and landmarks are essential. I have made pilot saves in the past where my knowledge of local geography was probably the difference between life & death for the pilot & passengers.
On the plus side, the visual tracking aids could be very helpful when trying to find a white cessna on a hazy day.
dlsamson 5 months ago
@dlsamson So what made you thing from the video, that the Twr controller wasn't familiar with the local topography???? How did you learn the topography where you work??? This is stupid argument.
Xumepoc 3 months ago
@Xumepoc
Well that depends doesn't it? If you have controllers who certify at a particular airport and continue to work there for a period of time, they become familiar with the local users and the local characteristics. This technology would make it very easy to create a disconnect between the controllers and the users. Will a controller in Indonesia be as conscientious towards working traffic for an airport in Canada as would a controller who lives in the community?
dlsamson 3 months ago
@Xumepoc
Like so many aspects of new technology, it is a double edged sword that is dependent on those who implement its use for whether or not it is beneficial.
dlsamson 3 months ago
@dlsamson Who or where did you ever see that the Airports will be controlled by different ATSA then the one in the country? Why you think this will be certified like that???
Xumepoc 3 months ago
@Xumepoc It has been the trend in so many other aspects of society where the desire to reduce labor costs has trumped many other priorities. I don't think anybody with any understanding of the system will support it but that hasn't stopped the bean counters yet.
dlsamson 3 months ago
More importantly, humans don't build infallible systems. When you lose power in a remote tower (or even to just an important camera) you can lose everything. In a real tower, as long as I have a working radio and my eyeballs, I can make a significant contribution to keeping pilots alive. I think there are some great technologies here that can be of significant aid but as someone with a physics degree I am very wary of relying too much on our technology. It is always important to have a backup.
dlsamson 3 months ago
As an air traffic controller I believe that this could have some utility at unserved airports or for the midnight shift where regular towers have shut down.
I am concerned that the "bean-counters" will utilize this to outsource controller jobs to places where labor is cheaper or worse yet to try and fully automate ATC. It has been my experience that most engineers and "bean-counters" really only have the dimmest notion of what it is that controllers actually do.
dlsamson 5 months ago
we will became a terminator........i really enjoy it but as you said the last decision is for the human.
springbock100 5 months ago
This is the utter stupidity... the inventors of this dream clearly don't have a CLUE about ATC. Everything is in the first titles :combining reduced costs with safety. I'm an ATC and i can't see how a tower controller could work properly for several airports.... away from them. This is a delirious attempt to gain some easy money by removing ATCs. Safety is not a bargain, people. Some activities are NOT meant to produce benefits.You'll never replace the human presence by some "fancy " tech.
ralouchka 7 months ago
Thanks for engaging in the debate! The system has been tested for more than three years with good results. Safety issues are addressed from a technological point of view and with the ATCO’s operational performance in mind. HD resolution and PTZ cameras performs significantly better than the traditional window view at many times. Heads-up presentation of tracks and labels and other vital information enables greater situational awareness in complex traffic situations. Safety is our no. 1 priority.
SaabGroup 5 months ago
@ralouchka so you are the one that disliked this video!
4fifty8 4 months ago
Good for using at remote sites like Haiti, Africa, rural airports and such. Looks cheaper yet more flexible than FAA's proposed $40 billion Next Generation Air Transportation System too.
BOGOWA22 8 months ago
Brilliant concept, but is it compatible with today's regulatory environment?
Ezugyenincs 11 months ago
@Ezugyenincs; We are working together with variuos stakeholders to ceritfy and get operational approval for the system. We expect a common framework to be distilled during the years to come.
SaabGroup 5 months ago
good for the small airports around in sweden that are not used much anymore
Torikkaa 11 months ago