I believe that the ring is necessary despite some literature that claims that the best way is shooting without any ring and forming the own calluses. As a contra argumemnt, one of the Tirendaz archers shoot a 50 pound bow without a thumbring and he is quite accurate. I am also against simple leather rings, but again, there is info about their use in the past. My firends an I plan a study to find out the ballistic differences of shooting with and without ring.
Hi! In our group (Tirendaz) we use two models: Grozer Turkish base and Tirendaz. The latter is being made by a member of the group, Mehmet Golhan. He named his bows after our group. There are two types of Tirendaz bows: Standard and Sipahi (a shorter version). The performances of all these three models are satisfactory. They shoot in 160-165 fps range with 9-10 grain/pound arrows which can be considered O.K. for such hobby bows. Please visit our web site for more videos. Best, Murat
dog22boy. Good synthetic material Turkish bow replkicas are made by Mehmet Golhan, an archer in our group and by Hungarian bowyer Csaba Grozer. We shoot bows within 40 to 60 pounds of draw weight (girls shoot 40-45 and boys 50-60). The bow I shoot in this demo is weaker because of a previous tendon injury.
Gabrielkailash. The tecnique you're talking about is called "Mediterennean Release". The tecnique shown here is called "thumb release" (or Mongolian release). You can have a look at my article "Turkish archery, Tackle and Technique" for details at tirendaz.com
@abdulkabza thanks for your tips, i live in Brazil and to order a thumb device is risky as i´m not sure about my thumb size, i always wanted to have a bow like that,which one would you recommend?
It is 3-4 layers of cardboard. You can glue them with white carpenter glue and reinforce by wrapping with tape. An inexpensive solution for great aerial targets that can stop arrows shot from bows exceeding 60 pounds.
About pulling the strings and finger position i learned one finger above the nock and 2 below, this technique you´re using might be trick to learn. Nice shots, thanks for the video.
Grozer Turkish bows are well-made bows and have great effieciency compared to some other models. The optimal draw length of Turkish bow is 27-29'', so choose a convenient draw- and arrow length. Even for tall archers corner-to-the mouth anchor gives ca. 27-28'' of draw. The arrow length would be 29''. If you'll shoot with thumb release please remember picking up heavier spined shafts.
I've just ordered a turkish bow from grozer and I was wondering what arrow length you use...or which arrow length is recommended for a turkish bow? ...great video by the way
Any chance you would be willing to give more detail on your knocking technique for speed shooting? I can tell, somewhat, that you transfer the arrow to your bow hand, but beyond that it's difficult to see exactly what you're doing.
No, a "thumb ring" is used to protect the thumb and to aid the draw. Please seacrh "thumb ring" on YouTube. There are also our videos demonstrating its use.
The technique I demonstrate here is the authentic Turkish technique. It's safe for fingers and the bowstring with broadhead tipped arrows too unlike the modern speed shooting technique with arrows in the bowhand. However, American natives used to hold the arrows in the bowhand in Bison hunt from on horseback and Bushmen have been shooting that way too.
Most of the Central Asian archery traditions use thumb release. Holding the arrows in the drawing hand is shown in depictions from Seljuk era. Japanese Kyudoka hold an extra arrow in the same hand too. Holding them in the bow hand seems to be faster but with broadhead tipped arrows it's not easy if not impossible. Modern mounted archery schools like that of Kassai use it but of course the arrows are tipped with modern target points.
My only question is: is this technique (holding arrows in the drawing hand) compatible with the technique of holding arrows in the bow hand? One of the images shows a person utilizing that method, but the video doesn't elaborate on it.
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
Selamlar. Biz Tirendaz Okçuları olarak, küçük modifikasyonlarla Osmanlı eğitim metodoljisini takip ediyoruz. Eskiden yapıldıpı gibi kepaze yaylarıyla başlangıç, sonra yakın esafede zihgîrle bırakışın öğrenildiği torba/sandık safhası ve sonra hedef atışlarına başlatıyoruz. Bu süreç yaklaşık 16 hafta alıyor. Sonra değişik pozisyonlarda atış, hızlı yay besleme ve hareketli hedeflere atış öğretiyoruz.
As a Turk I really impressed of Turkish style speed shooting. Can you please tell me beginner like me how long need to practise to do that. Thank you very much
Çok teşekkür ederim. Türk geleneksel okçuluğu en az Kyudo kadar kültürel derinliği olan bir savaş sanatı. Bizim tanıtma konusunda gösterdiğimiz zaaf yüzünden onun kadar tanınmıyor. İnşallah bu zamanla değişecek...
...After all I doubt if Turks held more than 3 arrows since their fighting strategy was based on fast attacks and retreats at full gallop: One forward shot while riding towards the enemy, one shot when the horse is turned and a final one backwards when retreating (Parthain shot). Everthing should have happened in seconds until the warrior got out of the range of enemy.
garvonfamily! Just realised that the secod part of my message did not appeared somehow. Here it goes: Thanks to the smaller diameter of original Turkish arrows it would be possible ( I think) to hold upto 8 arrows with no problem. Even with thicker 2117 shafts I can hold 4 (max) between my middle and ring fingers. Some arrows can be placed between the ring and small finger too but such a mass would probably cause flaws rather than speed especially on horseback.
ColetteNoir, You're right! Asian schools with thumb release have similar techniques as a result of the natural path of nocking and shooting. BTW the technique is typical for horseback shooting, as you mentioned.
Gladgurkan, I do not practice speed shooting consistently. It would be possible to be faster with proper practice.
Very interesting, and good/cool video. I think that I might start with this technique (shooting with thumbring)...May I ask, how long have you been shooting with this technique?
Thanks gentlemen!..The number of arrows you can hold in the hand is upto the thickness of arrows and length of your fingers. Turkish arrows are thinner compared to the arrows of many other cultures. The authentic Turkish shafts are barrelled and the maximum diameter was 9 mm and reducing to 7 mm at the very rear and front...
8 people who dislike are Byzantines...
SerenityAtLast 1 week ago
I believe that the ring is necessary despite some literature that claims that the best way is shooting without any ring and forming the own calluses. As a contra argumemnt, one of the Tirendaz archers shoot a 50 pound bow without a thumbring and he is quite accurate. I am also against simple leather rings, but again, there is info about their use in the past. My firends an I plan a study to find out the ballistic differences of shooting with and without ring.
abdulkabza 2 weeks ago
You can visit ww.tirendaz.com and send an e-mail to the web site's contact address.
abdulkabza 2 weeks ago
Hi! In our group (Tirendaz) we use two models: Grozer Turkish base and Tirendaz. The latter is being made by a member of the group, Mehmet Golhan. He named his bows after our group. There are two types of Tirendaz bows: Standard and Sipahi (a shorter version). The performances of all these three models are satisfactory. They shoot in 160-165 fps range with 9-10 grain/pound arrows which can be considered O.K. for such hobby bows. Please visit our web site for more videos. Best, Murat
abdulkabza 3 weeks ago
@abdulkabza you´re dangerous man hehehe, where to buy the Tirendaz? Are you from Istambul, can i find bows there?
gabrielkailash 2 weeks ago
awesome...
35canefe 3 weeks ago
...and so does Snowwhite!..:)
abdulkabza 3 weeks ago
legolas shoots faster
iEQUALinsane 3 weeks ago
the Technic is to imagine those targets as a lot of knees
Eysc 4 weeks ago 5
it is not fast
soulxtr 4 weeks ago
Burglar breaks into his house.. "Oh woopidie do you have a bow".... "OH FUCK FUCK FUKC UFK FUCK FUCK FUCK"
BrutallyHonestGamers 1 month ago
dog22boy. Good synthetic material Turkish bow replkicas are made by Mehmet Golhan, an archer in our group and by Hungarian bowyer Csaba Grozer. We shoot bows within 40 to 60 pounds of draw weight (girls shoot 40-45 and boys 50-60). The bow I shoot in this demo is weaker because of a previous tendon injury.
abdulkabza 1 month ago
used to do that in my garage with pizza boxes
dirosaga 1 month ago
thanks for the demonstration and information. where would it be easiest to get one? what is the typical draw weight?
dog22boy 1 month ago
Gabrielkailash. The tecnique you're talking about is called "Mediterennean Release". The tecnique shown here is called "thumb release" (or Mongolian release). You can have a look at my article "Turkish archery, Tackle and Technique" for details at tirendaz.com
abdulkabza 1 month ago
@abdulkabza thanks for your tips, i live in Brazil and to order a thumb device is risky as i´m not sure about my thumb size, i always wanted to have a bow like that,which one would you recommend?
gabrielkailash 3 weeks ago
@abdulkabza i tried the thumb release without the ring it hurts, is the ring necessary?
gabrielkailash 2 weeks ago
It is 3-4 layers of cardboard. You can glue them with white carpenter glue and reinforce by wrapping with tape. An inexpensive solution for great aerial targets that can stop arrows shot from bows exceeding 60 pounds.
abdulkabza 1 month ago
What material are the targets made of?
gabrielkailash 1 month ago
About pulling the strings and finger position i learned one finger above the nock and 2 below, this technique you´re using might be trick to learn. Nice shots, thanks for the video.
gabrielkailash 1 month ago
Grozer Turkish bows are well-made bows and have great effieciency compared to some other models. The optimal draw length of Turkish bow is 27-29'', so choose a convenient draw- and arrow length. Even for tall archers corner-to-the mouth anchor gives ca. 27-28'' of draw. The arrow length would be 29''. If you'll shoot with thumb release please remember picking up heavier spined shafts.
abdulkabza 2 months ago
I've just ordered a turkish bow from grozer and I was wondering what arrow length you use...or which arrow length is recommended for a turkish bow? ...great video by the way
andrei131313 2 months ago
ok that's it im going to ditch traditional english archery and go for traditional turkish archery.
wakojako49 2 months ago
@wakojako49 btw that so weird he doesn't put the arrow in the knuckle side of the bow.
wakojako49 2 months ago
Ancient Turks? lol what is this?
Plevrotous26 2 months ago
abi maşallah ne ok atıyomuşun osmanlı askerleri demekki böle savaşıyolarmış heralde
bedriasatekin 3 months ago
nice shooting skills
TheAIH16 3 months ago
helal olsun cok güzel,Ankarada olsanız katılmak isterdim.
ivandivandakor 3 months ago
Fine shooting!
CheyTac2 4 months ago
Impressive!
BCG99 5 months ago
gosterme bu gavurlara bizim tekniklerimiz
miighankurt 5 months ago 8
good performance, I believe you can hunt pigeon flying.
brasilbows 5 months ago
:l Ive always wanted to shoot a bow D:!
BMXzombie123 6 months ago
omg
tenok11 6 months ago
sent U a private message...
abdulkabza 7 months ago
Any chance you would be willing to give more detail on your knocking technique for speed shooting? I can tell, somewhat, that you transfer the arrow to your bow hand, but beyond that it's difficult to see exactly what you're doing.
PXCharon 7 months ago
No, a "thumb ring" is used to protect the thumb and to aid the draw. Please seacrh "thumb ring" on YouTube. There are also our videos demonstrating its use.
abdulkabza 7 months ago
with this thumb ring, do you still need the 3 finger gard or not ?
brzinger6 7 months ago
@brzinger6 not unless your going to try drawing with three fingers and your thumb at the same time
3616833 6 months ago
Never seen this before ???
I dont get the thum ring ???
whistlerpolitics 7 months ago
Perfect!
nikolazhukov 7 months ago
thanks for the information, the machineguns of those times
love2understand 8 months ago
Thnks! I'm glad to hear that you found it informative.
abdulkabza 8 months ago
Very good Murat! Compliment and very informative research!
Fritztoons 8 months ago
excellent shooting sir.
zdkezios 8 months ago
amazing!
JKT6 9 months ago
Very nice video! Thank you very much for posting it! :-))
Mytzeplix 9 months ago
The technique I demonstrate here is the authentic Turkish technique. It's safe for fingers and the bowstring with broadhead tipped arrows too unlike the modern speed shooting technique with arrows in the bowhand. However, American natives used to hold the arrows in the bowhand in Bison hunt from on horseback and Bushmen have been shooting that way too.
abdulkabza 10 months ago
Most of the Central Asian archery traditions use thumb release. Holding the arrows in the drawing hand is shown in depictions from Seljuk era. Japanese Kyudoka hold an extra arrow in the same hand too. Holding them in the bow hand seems to be faster but with broadhead tipped arrows it's not easy if not impossible. Modern mounted archery schools like that of Kassai use it but of course the arrows are tipped with modern target points.
abdulkabza 10 months ago
My only question is: is this technique (holding arrows in the drawing hand) compatible with the technique of holding arrows in the bow hand? One of the images shows a person utilizing that method, but the video doesn't elaborate on it.
reaperwithnoname 10 months ago
Marshallah :-), very nice!!!
DonRubinjo 10 months ago
What specific bow is are you using? I myself practice archery (NOT compound) and am looking to make/purchase a horse bow.
jshlnd14 11 months ago
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
abdulkabza 11 months ago
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
abdulkabza 11 months ago
Thnks for all the compliments. AnGobh, Yes I live in Istanbul. We're a group of enhusiast who come together under the a "banner", i.e. "Tirendaz", meaning "skillful archer" in Oldturkish (adopted from Persian language).
abdulkabza 11 months ago
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GrimmjowProduction 11 months ago
I love archery and I would love to learn from you! Are you in Turkey?
AnGobh 1 year ago
OmG This was ZAZWeSOME
AnGobh 1 year ago
Amazing shooting.
HermesDo 1 year ago
really nice shooting!! :O!!
iambeast1591 1 year ago
Selamlar. Biz Tirendaz Okçuları olarak, küçük modifikasyonlarla Osmanlı eğitim metodoljisini takip ediyoruz. Eskiden yapıldıpı gibi kepaze yaylarıyla başlangıç, sonra yakın esafede zihgîrle bırakışın öğrenildiği torba/sandık safhası ve sonra hedef atışlarına başlatıyoruz. Bu süreç yaklaşık 16 hafta alıyor. Sonra değişik pozisyonlarda atış, hızlı yay besleme ve hareketli hedeflere atış öğretiyoruz.
abdulkabza 1 year ago
As a Turk I really impressed of Turkish style speed shooting. Can you please tell me beginner like me how long need to practise to do that. Thank you very much
ercintr 1 year ago
Helal olsun be, adam canavar valla.
Afrothecat 1 year ago
got got get a turkish bow... D best!!!
jondominguez12 1 year ago
Teşekkür ederim. Thank you gentlemen!
abdulkabza 1 year ago
i love your videos
Slic3R1 1 year ago
Awesome. As a Canadian, this reminds me of the techniques of the Cree and Assiniboine and Swampy peoples. They too were masters of the bow/
Thanks for posting.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Süper ya. :D
KaRaKiTaY 1 year ago
Türkün Gücü İste... HeLaL OLsun.
Yelle34 1 year ago
helal olsun abime vallah :)
CcCSonnyBlackCcC 1 year ago
Wow, that is incredible and also informitave. Not that I am an archer or anything...
VZerda 1 year ago
mükemmel
kelici44 1 year ago
Thanks for all you compliments gents.
abdulkabza 1 year ago
güzel kardeş
JaBuAltair 1 year ago
DAMN YOUR GOOD! May God/Allah be with you.
SuburbanNinja8000 1 year ago 2
Thank you!..
abdulkabza 1 year ago
Excellent shooting!
firebelliedtoad 1 year ago
Muchos gracias, amigo!
abdulkabza 1 year ago
Afarin Murat!
ablancok 1 year ago
Çok teşekkür ederim. Türk geleneksel okçuluğu en az Kyudo kadar kültürel derinliği olan bir savaş sanatı. Bizim tanıtma konusunda gösterdiğimiz zaaf yüzünden onun kadar tanınmıyor. İnşallah bu zamanla değişecek...
abdulkabza 1 year ago
@abdulkabza Tesekur ederim çok guzel gosteri
TurkSayokan68 1 year ago
Hocam Allah kollarına kuvvet versin.Miilet kyudo falan diyo ama gececekler bunları..Biz hep en iyiydik ve yine öyle olacagız..
vetserkanvural 1 year ago
Kürşad was faster!!!
killuminatii1 1 year ago
Well done, Murat... good to see you still at it.
CM Sackett
the1Sackett 1 year ago
...After all I doubt if Turks held more than 3 arrows since their fighting strategy was based on fast attacks and retreats at full gallop: One forward shot while riding towards the enemy, one shot when the horse is turned and a final one backwards when retreating (Parthain shot). Everthing should have happened in seconds until the warrior got out of the range of enemy.
abdulkabza 1 year ago
garvonfamily! Just realised that the secod part of my message did not appeared somehow. Here it goes: Thanks to the smaller diameter of original Turkish arrows it would be possible ( I think) to hold upto 8 arrows with no problem. Even with thicker 2117 shafts I can hold 4 (max) between my middle and ring fingers. Some arrows can be placed between the ring and small finger too but such a mass would probably cause flaws rather than speed especially on horseback.
abdulkabza 1 year ago
ColetteNoir, You're right! Asian schools with thumb release have similar techniques as a result of the natural path of nocking and shooting. BTW the technique is typical for horseback shooting, as you mentioned.
Gladgurkan, I do not practice speed shooting consistently. It would be possible to be faster with proper practice.
abdulkabza 1 year ago
Interesting video Murat, enjoyed it a lot.
As I commented in Leatherwall thread, in Kyudo, one holds spare arrow in drawing hand.
But such is not done in Yabusame (horseback).
ColetteNoir 1 year ago
iyi abi nediyim.
sihingalkan 1 year ago
Very interesting, and good/cool video. I think that I might start with this technique (shooting with thumbring)...May I ask, how long have you been shooting with this technique?
gladgurkan91 1 year ago
Murat, well done! BTW in Kyudo one keeps the arrows in ones drawing hand tin the same manner...similar solutions to similar needs?
ColetteNoir 1 year ago
Thanks gentlemen!..The number of arrows you can hold in the hand is upto the thickness of arrows and length of your fingers. Turkish arrows are thinner compared to the arrows of many other cultures. The authentic Turkish shafts are barrelled and the maximum diameter was 9 mm and reducing to 7 mm at the very rear and front...
abdulkabza 1 year ago
Very impressive!!
southtexasatlatl 1 year ago
thats awesome!!
dogi4444 1 year ago
Yes very Impressive. Thank you for sharing ...
CombatArchery 1 year ago
Wow good bullseyes!
UFarcher 1 year ago
Impressive shooting!
argberg 1 year ago
Great video DR. Please keep them coming.
How many arrows do you suppose that a mounted archer would be able to hold in the string hand before reaching down to his quiver for more?
garvonfamily 1 year ago