@GravCatt I certainly cannot deny that, lol!!! I play bass and I always thought Paul was the coolest lookin' motherf*cker to ever pick up a bass. Paul nowdays is the coolest motherscooter to pick up a paintbrush!!!!
what the fuck is wrong with that crowd? those idiots need to realise exactly how lucky they are to see the best songwriter there ever was.... and will be. i would have given my right arm to go and see Joe. tickets are wasted on these retards
Sucks that i only was 8 when he died,when my biggest wish was to see him live. Fucking sucks that all great bands like The Clash and all the cool lads like Joe are dead.... fucking new music sucks donkeyass
i saw the clash back in 1979 in a crap venue (sound sucked). they were brilliant. fell in love with joe then and there. love him still today. miss him and his calls at ungodly hours ( i swear that man didn' t have a watch. or know about time differences) telling me to listen to this group or that group "cause their flat briiiiiiiiliant".
@xXPunkRockGrungeXx yep and everyone is like Oh my GOD Lady Gaga and justin bieber and (insert crappy singer)! It's really annoying. I think after about 2000 music started getting crappier and crappier except for just a few bands.
I saw Joe play a gig in my hometown (Portsmouth UK) about three weeks before he died. I'll remember it for the rest of my life. The Clash and Joe Strummer have made such a profound impact on my life. Sadly missed.
Joe was one of the true Gods os my adolescence, along with Iggy and Siouxsie Sioux, all of which I was damn lucky to see perform live! He's the first of them to be gone, but his legacy will live on in the centuries to come!!
This is by far my favorite band. I miss Joe so much. I still wonder what it would be like if he were alive. probably people would not care for them. its like Michael Jackson, your only good if your dead. I think its stupid. no one needs to die in order to be appreciated. Katoness, you are absolutly right.
Its strange if strummer was still alive, There would not be all this hype as to whether the crowd reacts or not. People only care when your dead. People are fucking weird!
Id wish he would have played with someone like sid or johnny rotten more of a punk rocker. but i guess that would have been kinda hard cause he was getting old. lol
this song is unreal, unfortunately the Mescaleros band doesn't have the spirit of clash music, except for the drummer maybe, so the over band members look really poor
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well i personally dont really like the clash (they play the same riff over and over and over) but i love other punk bands (sex pistols, Ramones, Old A.F.I., Misfits) i feel the same about youth :( they dont know what real music is
I'm sorry i don't know what i said my comments been removed o.o? Did i say i hated The Clash or something? Why would i be listening to one of there songs if i hated them?
it was something bashing on joe strummer, and that was my thoughts exactly, i never understood y ppl go on here and bash on videos that they dont like, its like...if u dont like it, dont listen to it lol, sorry if i offended, that was not my intention, i just have strong emotional ties to joe strummer's music
and in addition to that.. musicians nowadays are better then musicians then.. i mean, joe strummer could write good songs but he aint nog guitar slayer (like say a jack white, john mayer, matt bellamy or even that guy fronting reel big fish)
i feel ya there man......i never got to see either band and im 27.....the clash was gone and this band just never showed in our around ohio to fit my hectic lifestyle then joe passed.
@xxlondoncalling dude the scene sucks in general. So go out and stir it the fuck up! Do what you can make a change. Hell RATM stir up the pop world in 2009!
@xxlondoncalling I feel your pain. I saw them in Toronto in 1980 with Black Uhuru as the opening act. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Music lasts forever, though. Chin up.
@xxlondoncalling you said it but you can go out and get your friends starting bands with real passion and messages to spread - three chords and the truth will never be out of style!
@clementles Cant agree with you possibly more......all the sick and evil fucks live while anyone on a mission with love in their heart gets knocked out
@clementles Cant agree with you possibly more......all the sick and evil fucks live while anyone on a mission with love in their heart gets knocked out...
in all fariness to the band this is one of the first shows that they did...remember joe really didnt perform on stage for 10 years up to this...by the way this was on his birthday 8/21/99 i got the whole show on dvd. i saw him in nyc in june of 99 irving plaza a smaller venue and he was really good.
haha it jsut so funny i've never seen him this calm before , and not out of tempo he's usually rockin and not following the beat and sometimes the song..it's funny to watch him..
yes, i think so. im from germany and i feel sad when i see that so many people forget this great man and specially the clash... im not so old and i know who strummer was. i love his musik. he`s a god for me!!
Billy Bragg,The Damned,The Alarm and about 40 other top bands are playing a festival in Manchester,England to remember This Great Man Joe Strummer..check it out..strummercamp.
This was the Clashes biggest sellng single, and ironically it was not written by Joe or Mick. It was written by Topper, (the Clashes stellar drummer), who had been booted out by the time the Clash released the song, because of his heroin addiction.
Joe is starting to get his due respect in r & r circles. Springsteen said in this months Rolling Stone interview that the artists that interested him were Hank Williams, Dylan, Bob Marley, and Joe Strummer. (Great company for Joe.)
I love the Mescaleros; but I do secretly wish that Simonen was playing bass on this song with Joe.
prettynoose8497 2 weeks ago
@prettynoose8497 It would be great with Paul on bass, Topper on drums, and Mick on guitar.
GravCatt 1 week ago
@GravCatt I certainly cannot deny that, lol!!! I play bass and I always thought Paul was the coolest lookin' motherf*cker to ever pick up a bass. Paul nowdays is the coolest motherscooter to pick up a paintbrush!!!!
prettynoose8497 1 week ago
what the fuck is wrong with that crowd? those idiots need to realise exactly how lucky they are to see the best songwriter there ever was.... and will be. i would have given my right arm to go and see Joe. tickets are wasted on these retards
Generation1Terrorist 1 month ago
Happy birthday Joe...
TheClashToday 5 months ago
Give me an F.... oops wrong Joe!
freddiefettucini 5 months ago
Fuck me the crowd are in a coma
noel0blake 6 months ago
Saw these guys twice... Gooooood Groooooves
scuzzieregogreen 7 months ago
15 Idiots hate the music.
TheClashToday 7 months ago 2
Anyone know where I can get a T-shirt like that?
Ryan199401 8 months ago
15 nemisis for taliban explosed
fun2010K 8 months ago
Sometimes, I wish I was born earlier. Joe Strummer is my favourite musician ever and i'll never be able to see him :(
Fanrock02 8 months ago
Great loved Joe and the Clash and partied with this song so many nights....days on and on.
silverlight00 9 months ago
RIP Joe
0Manu6 9 months ago
Saw them in 1999 at Rock City in Nottingham - stupendous
1967SJH 9 months ago
Great live version. Piano and drums are cool!
dunskie 10 months ago
15 justin bieber's fans votes this video...
hurricanescarface89 10 months ago
Sucks that i only was 8 when he died,when my biggest wish was to see him live. Fucking sucks that all great bands like The Clash and all the cool lads like Joe are dead.... fucking new music sucks donkeyass
ROSPREDATOR 11 months ago
wow, the crowd looks pretty dead, come on guys, this is one of the best party songs ever written.
popesweetjesus253 1 year ago
@popesweetjesus253
it is not just for party . it is the best punk rock song ever , better than blitzkrieg bop and anarchy in uk.
calvinasqw 11 months ago
f*ck all those "rest in peace" in your messages. joe lives!!!
nimatek667 1 year ago
The future is unwrited...
Know your rights!
Joe Strummer 1952-2002
R.I.P.
TheClashToday 1 year ago
R.I.P. ROCK IN PEACE JOHN GRAHAM MELLOR! aka JOE STRUMMER
1951GUS 1 year ago
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whitally 1 year ago
I didn't give the Mescaleros their due. I apologize. I am working to correct the oversight.
DevoDevoT 1 year ago
Rest in peace, Joe Strummer.. idol!
sebaslizarazu 1 year ago
The Clash... Joe... The Mescaleros... and this song.... PURE CLASS!
SkaPunk026 1 year ago
i saw the clash back in 1979 in a crap venue (sound sucked). they were brilliant. fell in love with joe then and there. love him still today. miss him and his calls at ungodly hours ( i swear that man didn' t have a watch. or know about time differences) telling me to listen to this group or that group "cause their flat briiiiiiiiliant".
TheSandsie13 1 year ago
what's that lineup? where s tymon dogg?
PoireauMan68 1 year ago
joe strummer es un genio musical mi ran idolo!!!
perriko007 1 year ago
god, this gig looks good, crowds a bit lame .. but Joe on form,
BlondeRocknRoll 1 year ago
We all miss you Joe!
Julle7Julius 1 year ago
MEXICO !!!!!!
microvolt658 1 year ago
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xXPunkRockGrungeXx 1 year ago
@xXPunkRockGrungeXx doesn't it.
petey815 1 year ago
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xXPunkRockGrungeXx 1 year ago
@xXPunkRockGrungeXx yep and everyone is like Oh my GOD Lady Gaga and justin bieber and (insert crappy singer)! It's really annoying. I think after about 2000 music started getting crappier and crappier except for just a few bands.
petey815 1 year ago
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xXPunkRockGrungeXx 1 year ago
I love how "rappers" is in quotations. Like you don't believe in them or something...
ApexPredatorCanada 1 year ago
Joe Strummer was and will be THE CLASH forever
EroIoQuellaDonna 1 year ago 9
A great talent taken long before his time. R.I.P
gbh903 1 year ago
That crowd looks like they dont have a clue.
NAVMAN987 1 year ago
the best thing about good music is it stops you worrying about all your debts for a few mins
thehomefront 1 year ago 2
I saw Joe play a gig in my hometown (Portsmouth UK) about three weeks before he died. I'll remember it for the rest of my life. The Clash and Joe Strummer have made such a profound impact on my life. Sadly missed.
dpw81 1 year ago 2
hey no fair! their cheap plastic cups
have handles
gribbstone234 1 year ago
Joe was one of the true Gods os my adolescence, along with Iggy and Siouxsie Sioux, all of which I was damn lucky to see perform live! He's the first of them to be gone, but his legacy will live on in the centuries to come!!
blakniko 1 year ago
This is by far my favorite band. I miss Joe so much. I still wonder what it would be like if he were alive. probably people would not care for them. its like Michael Jackson, your only good if your dead. I think its stupid. no one needs to die in order to be appreciated. Katoness, you are absolutly right.
hogwarts6 1 year ago
Its strange if strummer was still alive, There would not be all this hype as to whether the crowd reacts or not. People only care when your dead. People are fucking weird!
katoness 1 year ago
What Joe said..most people wouldn't understand in ANY language.... just listen, it's the TRUTH.......
LA80sMike 1 year ago 7
The middleman germans are probably a bit mellow just because they don't understand what the song is about.
dogofman 1 year ago
joe strummer lebt für immer, in meinem herz und in seiner musik, the clash for ever
zagatoF1 1 year ago
1982 - a good year ;D
GeorGiAniel 1 year ago
what a fucking SHIT audience
Pathetic man !
ydrohoos7 1 year ago
It's German audience, what did you expect?
necroorcen 1 year ago
that crowd pissed me off. I also dont like the young inde people he chose to play with
songs1994 1 year ago
would you rather he play with old, bigoted, capitalist fools?
Fx3Productions 1 year ago
Id wish he would have played with someone like sid or johnny rotten more of a punk rocker. but i guess that would have been kinda hard cause he was getting old. lol
songs1994 1 year ago
微妙
mayunasex 1 year ago
Saw Joe and the Meskies 3 times, and the place was rockin' all 3 times. The crowd at this gig didn't deserve to see Joe.
HeathInClearLake 2 years ago 10
Once saw Joe front the Pogues- it was rock and roll bliss!!
shodopoet 2 years ago
R.I.P. Joe Strummer- the best front-man/rhythm guitarist ever!!
shodopoet 2 years ago 2
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shodopoet 2 years ago
I thought the Mescaleros did a good job with covering clash songs actually..
MrHenkowns 2 years ago
this song is unreal, unfortunately the Mescaleros band doesn't have the spirit of clash music, except for the drummer maybe, so the over band members look really poor
dvyratiz 2 years ago
i need joe!
omegarocks6 2 years ago
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please god in the memory of joe strummer i have no money but if i send u a blank dvd could you please record this concert for me?
cleebain 2 years ago
please god in the memory of joe strummer i have no money but if i send u a blank dvd could you please record this for me?
cleebain 2 years ago
this days youngs don;t listen good music :( (look at statistics to this video)
freyaPL 2 years ago
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well i personally dont really like the clash (they play the same riff over and over and over) but i love other punk bands (sex pistols, Ramones, Old A.F.I., Misfits) i feel the same about youth :( they dont know what real music is
Yex00 2 years ago
@Yex00 ...you clearly dont know what music is, joe strummer was a musical visionary, and you have no right to say that about the band
Piddletop 1 year ago
I'm sorry i don't know what i said my comments been removed o.o? Did i say i hated The Clash or something? Why would i be listening to one of there songs if i hated them?
Yex00 1 year ago
it was something bashing on joe strummer, and that was my thoughts exactly, i never understood y ppl go on here and bash on videos that they dont like, its like...if u dont like it, dont listen to it lol, sorry if i offended, that was not my intention, i just have strong emotional ties to joe strummer's music
Piddletop 1 year ago
o.o oh sorry xD im really confused as to why i would say that i LOVE the clash :D
Yex00 1 year ago
punk rock music is the voice of those with no voice.
DNRvideos 2 years ago 2
Long live Joe Strummer. This song was so relevant through the Bush presedencies... Check out his Wikipedia page - very enlightening! Viva Joe!
joziguy 2 years ago
live version gets my vote!
gribbstone234 2 years ago
me identifico mucho
coheteplateado 2 years ago
THE CLASH IS better!
blowrangers 2 years ago 2
this kicks serious assssss
rastarigate 2 years ago
joe is king
boomboomcanon 2 years ago 8
this is bullshit... i never got to see the clash.. or the mescaleros live...
eff the disney shit and the top 40 that's "popular" today, this is REAL music and joe was REAL
sucks to be 18 in 2009
xxlondoncalling 2 years ago 123
yes i was bad born in time to im 17
ThePostShit 2 years ago
i know what you mean i am only twelve and the things to do and hear and see are so shitty
ultranerd222 2 years ago
14 with the same thought!
PepperDr94 2 years ago
no complaining man.. youve got archives and archives of old music waiting for you.. just dont tune your tv to MTV :p
canonneer 2 years ago
and in addition to that.. musicians nowadays are better then musicians then.. i mean, joe strummer could write good songs but he aint nog guitar slayer (like say a jack white, john mayer, matt bellamy or even that guy fronting reel big fish)
canonneer 2 years ago
Most musicians today usually are nicking ideas/tunes from groups from past deacdes.
Clash,Pistols, Ramones etc THEY were what the likes of White Stripes and all recent bands owe their sounds to imo.
Urko2005 2 years ago
i feel ya there man......i never got to see either band and im 27.....the clash was gone and this band just never showed in our around ohio to fit my hectic lifestyle then joe passed.
at least he left his music man....
LONG LIVE THE KING
sleep well joe.....we miss ya!
sikkinixx82 2 years ago 4
I was lucky, i was in my mid teens in late 1970's, some great bands back then that relied on the MUSIC not the VIDEOs.
Urko2005 2 years ago
Yup, very true. I'm 19 and didn't get to see them live. Unless we make a time machine lol.
thevicious007 2 years ago
@xxlondoncalling there is hope out there, good man!
wtfhellas 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling You have to make your own revolution, uprise to confront powers that want you to go back to sleep.
MrLuvlyJubly 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling It sucks to be 15 in 2010.
Xantalien 1 year ago 2
@Xantalien Agree. I'm 15.
bobplaysthedrums 1 year ago
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well I'm not so fuck you both!
herracunt 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling yeah mate! crap to be 18 in 2009/2010
especially when you see the state of this shit crowd
they don't have a clue what they're witnessing
wide2west 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling dude the scene sucks in general. So go out and stir it the fuck up! Do what you can make a change. Hell RATM stir up the pop world in 2009!
aburhoe8888 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling - Shea Stadium, Queens NY, 1982 - You didn't miss much!
StompingRabbits 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling I feel your pain. I saw them in Toronto in 1980 with Black Uhuru as the opening act. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Music lasts forever, though. Chin up.
canadianroot 1 year ago
@xxlondoncalling you said it but you can go out and get your friends starting bands with real passion and messages to spread - three chords and the truth will never be out of style!
salvadory 9 months ago
@xxlondoncalling get your friends and start a band - 3 chords and the truth will never go out of style if done right!
salvadory 9 months ago
What an idiot audience, they had a LEGEND in front of them and nobody seemed to care.
stigmata77 2 years ago 17
True!i m still watching it n i can t believe it
principereyes 2 years ago
@stigmata77 Born into an era where unoriginality exists most of them
Urko2005 8 months ago
the drummer is very good but is acting a little... FRUITT PUNCHH!
xodenx 2 years ago
Life is so stupid...W.Bush alive, and Joe Strummer dead...I Can't understand.
clementles 2 years ago 89
@clementles different diet...
PoireauMan68 1 year ago
@clementles Cant agree with you possibly more......all the sick and evil fucks live while anyone on a mission with love in their heart gets knocked out
janoska667 10 months ago
@clementles Cant agree with you possibly more......all the sick and evil fucks live while anyone on a mission with love in their heart gets knocked out...
janoska667 10 months ago
Audience fucking sucks. I'd be freaking out if I saw him play this.
badtown88 2 years ago 8
No problem, I know what you mean. The audience in the video didn't seem excited.
zweiofus 2 years ago 4
stupid germans dont know to apreciate the good music
posthauski 2 years ago 3
It's not germany, it's cologne. For many people in germany thats not the same.
I Know that this is fantastic music and I'm from northern germany. ;-)
zweiofus 2 years ago
oh sorry mate :s but well i mean the people out there (in that concert)
posthauski 2 years ago 3
best live version
1980Triumph 2 years ago
i hear that,crowd didnt appreciate it,feckin germans
daragh89 2 years ago 2
the crowd was lame, this was one smoking performance
1980Triumph 2 years ago
The good always die too young. RIP Joe.
StrandedH 2 years ago 2
i would guive everything to be there ..and rock along w joe ...fuck this audience ..its a shame !
bolaspace 2 years ago 4
i feel you mate!
there is an old said that mentions throwing pearls in front of...:)
independentsaint 2 years ago
audience are a bunch of tossers ....joe was rocking here well done joe miss you joe a proper gentleman you went far too young
rsrichiesambora 2 years ago 3
The grief never totally leaves...
doctorfunkshock 2 years ago
rest in peace joe
sukhdev40 2 years ago
DIOSSS!!!!! ke voz tiene este hombre!! i miss you...joe.... THE CLASH(L
danypiojosa87ricoter 2 years ago
WHAT A SHIT AUDIENCE!
shupzbruv 2 years ago
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there were some many more ppl tht cldve gone before joe, fuck this man
holytroz 2 years ago
RIP joe
too bad u left us so young...
bigbaddwolff 2 years ago 6
El mejor de la mejor banda del mundo de todos los tiempos!
THE CLASH (L)
Joe Strummer! WE MISS YOU!
cordero14ska 2 years ago 9
That guy was a Rock Star...I miss Joe.
hawkeye1769 2 years ago 18
2002 at the age of 50 cuz of a heart attack
joe was the man and the clash rock!
xxlondoncalling 2 years ago 9
Why did Joe Strummer pass away?
oortseam 2 years ago 3
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What a boring crowd ¬¬... that s*cks
Etrangier 2 years ago
man i wish joe was still with us :(
flixo92 2 years ago 18
R.I.P
marcuswallbridge 2 years ago 23
R.I.P. Joe Strummer!
Jonascagao 2 years ago 10
That was one bitching performance. I loved the rockout at the end.
jnazari 2 years ago 8
what a deep voice!
excellent! R.I.P Joe Strummer.
Vintagetbh 2 years ago 8
in all fariness to the band this is one of the first shows that they did...remember joe really didnt perform on stage for 10 years up to this...by the way this was on his birthday 8/21/99 i got the whole show on dvd. i saw him in nyc in june of 99 irving plaza a smaller venue and he was really good.
raoab 2 years ago 5
is the DVD available to buy anywhere?
hiccup2398 2 years ago 2
haha it jsut so funny i've never seen him this calm before , and not out of tempo he's usually rockin and not following the beat and sometimes the song..it's funny to watch him..
guitargenius3557 2 years ago
anybody want my organs?
wasagoodkid 2 years ago
rest in peace joe,the clash por siempre
ganyi 2 years ago
Ach jo, tak nám ten Joe chybí...
boomboomcanon 2 years ago
Boring , boring and sad Crowd, no wonder all bands film their live performances in Latinamerica.
chamann 2 years ago
Yeah, but look at Hendrix at Woodstock. He was so good people just stood there so maybe the same goes here?
goodnameishere 2 years ago
i'll always rock the casbah for joe, theres a casbah here in sheff!!!
R.I.P JOE STRUMMER
leiisagod 2 years ago 2
wish is could be there.... rip joe strummer -.-
Vereinsheinz 2 years ago
That is one boring crowd
Do they even know who he is?
RIP Joe, we miss you so.
fuzzmaniac 2 years ago
yes, i think so. im from germany and i feel sad when i see that so many people forget this great man and specially the clash... im not so old and i know who strummer was. i love his musik. he`s a god for me!!
Vereinsheinz 2 years ago
Billy Bragg,The Damned,The Alarm and about 40 other top bands are playing a festival in Manchester,England to remember This Great Man Joe Strummer..check it out..strummercamp.
fabulouspiggybrother 2 years ago
R.I.P. Strummer
(clash was better)
jehessin 2 years ago
RIP Joe...
TeessideHonkie 2 years ago
Thanks for posted.
darkrebel09 2 years ago
JOE STRUMMER A LEGEND, RIP.
darkrebel09 2 years ago
RIP Joe ,we love you.
Luanaclash 2 years ago 2
wtf is with the crowd?
track8fodderstompf 2 years ago 6
Great man, one of musics finest!
dannynolan11 2 years ago
how I wish I was there... Joe Strummer is amazing.
EdaC91 2 years ago
This is so good, Joe will never stop rocking + love how he starts tuning his tele at about 2:01 :)
dudewheresmylespaul 2 years ago 2
i never forget you....never
inkanti 3 years ago
we miss you Joe!
bhangraknight86 3 years ago
WTF is wrong with the crowd!!!!? are all they deaf or too stoned??? Common! it's JOE F-ING STRUMMER there!!! jesuschrist!
CyNN82 3 years ago 13
this music for THIS crowd? pearls for swines
kolot75 3 years ago
This was the Clashes biggest sellng single, and ironically it was not written by Joe or Mick. It was written by Topper, (the Clashes stellar drummer), who had been booted out by the time the Clash released the song, because of his heroin addiction.
Joe is starting to get his due respect in r & r circles. Springsteen said in this months Rolling Stone interview that the artists that interested him were Hank Williams, Dylan, Bob Marley, and Joe Strummer. (Great company for Joe.)
RIP, Joe.
streetblogger 3 years ago 4
It was written by Joe Strummer. Composed by Topper Headon
PartyBoy64 2 years ago
Geez! That crowd SUCKS!!!
mastmedia 3 years ago 3
They're listening to a Clash legend song and songwriter and their just standing there.
I would have killed to see Joe Strummer live :(
Gorillaz22d 3 years ago 4
so would i
Dork1234angusyoung 3 years ago
Awesome! but sucky crowd
stratocastermex 3 years ago 4
WOW. what a crowd. haha
Elytm 3 years ago 2
Shitty Crowd!
Klavdioz 3 years ago 7
no one seems all that excited at this show, wtf?
smushbox 3 years ago 3
I'm desapointed too :)
Keumii56 3 years ago 3
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2an3 3 years ago
Oh no, I see him, he's about to throw me into the nearest well!
Oh wait, that's the cat.
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Melpomeneah 2 years ago
awesome!
Nominativek 3 years ago 2
Awesome version !!
SSSSBBBB81 3 years ago 2
Where´s the piano´s solo?
Bad keyboard player. :(
Estalonge2007 3 years ago
In french we say "confiture pour les cochons", It means "marmelade for pigs"...
;-)
Brunkool 3 years ago
miss you joe.....!
bennothman 3 years ago 2