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  • Bill Kristol is Mossad

  • Kristol is pure evil!

  • Bill Kristol is a major Zionist. His purpose is to support Israel and its war-mongering, and make sure that the U.S. government PAYS for it. Krauthammer is another one. I'm fed up with the Zionists and their AIPAC telling Congress what to do in the name of Israel, and I'm tired of paying for their wars and sending our troops to fight for them. Their Mossad was involved in 911. GOOGLE: "Mossad/CIA Murdered U.S. Troops in Iraq"

  • ...ma alla fox la cultura la incartano?

    ciao rupert.

  • xinecallaw: making others pay for the healthcare of other people's children is socialism, you dumb fuck. If its not then what do you call it? These degenerates live in their little housing projects and expect me to take care of their kids while they lite that crack pipe. Fuck 'em. And screw people like you you, freakin panzy, sticking up for that scum. Why don't you go work on obamas campaign for 2012 - he'll need all the help he can get.

  • Kristol is referring to the way that liberals use children to push their socialist/communist agenda...

  • @boobooboogoo Wow, another fuking dumbass who can not take a few minutes to read the definition of socialism and communism, before proving to the world that you are a stupid, lazy, ignorant tool, that is either to stupid to use a freaking dictionary.

  • @deegan45 Certain Republicans do. But most republicans number 1 priority is keeping america safe from al ciada terrorists attacks and fighting them over there instead of over here.

  • What a great American and true terror warrior the wonderful bill Kristol is. Guiliani/Graham 2012!

  • @TheHomelandDefender

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    Are you fkning serious?

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    Neocontards like Kristol need to die so that humanity can prosper.

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  • @SunnySide247 Humanity will prosper once America and our greatest ally Israel win the war on terrorism.

  • @TheHomelandDefender

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    shut the fuck up.

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  • That fascist little twerp LIED ABOUT HIS CONDITION His fake as mother had a high paying job, was a poltical hack and was sending his shitty little ass to a 20,000 a year school!!!!!!!

    What lies the left tells. Fact is SCHIP is middle class dependecy causing ghettoizze the suburbs strategy and is itending to destroy and impoverish this country. People should pay for their own damn MEDICAL CARE! That is what would cause the price to lower alon with deregulation and tort reform.

  • You communsit whores have to lie and twist what Kristol's sarcastic rearks meant into some fascist propaganda. Typical terrorist garbage by the left another one of their bribery and fascist programs that DOES NOT WORK CAN'T WORK AND IS NOT INTENDED TO WORK gets hit for its patheticness(children age 30!!!!! etc. lol) and they have to result to smear atactics and lying about what people in said in that context hahaha. Pathetic ZERO STARS!

  • I don't like Kristol but it's a good joke and he is right about this. Emotional appeals are silly, especially when you introduce a sacred cow (children).

  • What's wrong with supporting Israel? The Palestinians kill people also. I choose to side with a people who were long connected with the Levant before the Palistinians arrived. Even Athiest historians agree that Palestinians are a mixture of peoples. David was King long before Palestine was a nation or its people were conceived. An example would be Sumeritans. Some Palestinians descend from them..so do some Jews and Christians. Support your own countries and get some balls you liberal scum.

  • You say to support your own country but then you say to support Israel as well. We`re supposed to have dual loyaltiesÉ

    And I think you mean the Sumerians

  • The ``É`` is a question mark, my keyboards fucked

  • The fact that this clown still has a job is very scary.

  • Bill Kristol : "How stupid do you think American people are?" He should be the one telling the answer not questioning it.

  • He is the answer.

  • The ol' propaganda box flashing in the corner eh? Tellin us all what we need and how to think...

  • Why does Kristol get a platform? Who does he represent?

  • Kristol represents Zionism in the U.S. His main focus is support for Israel, and everything else is a yawn for him. His Zionist support for Israel would easily include a 3rd world war. Billions of people could die and he would believe it a good trade off for Israel security. He and his kind, which include AIPAC and many other Zionist organizations within the U.S. put Israel's interest WAY ahead of the U.S. He is a foreign agent.

  • Hey... how come you American folk let the Isrealis (& whoever) steer US policy to the detriment of your nation (potentially the greatest nation so far - in my opinion) whose fighting these traitors?

  • They make up stories and then build on them.

    None of the stories have a whole lot to do with the truth. Like the story of the 'War on Terror'.

    Rather than the 'War on Israel's enemies'.

    American's are not even told that 9/11 was payback for support of Israel. They are constantly told stories to misdirect.

    Hard to fight them because news and knowledge is suppressed by the press.

  • Historically persuasion was dictated. A 'King' or whoever was in power simply told everyone the way it was going to be, and killed the people that refused. Now persuasion is done through culture and media. The masses, certainly in the U.S. are dictated to by the media. And by the media, I mean television although other media is controlled too. Americans generally do not read..newspapers or books. 95% of political election money goes to pay for TV ads.

  • please, this is sarcasm, because its an insult to republicans. you have got to be an idiot to think he agreed with his sarcastic remark, based on the original comments absurdity

  • Krystol needs hung for being a traitor. When I see that faags smirk on his face I want to smack the sht out of that pusboy.

  • Kristol for President!

  • He was kidding!!! Relax

  • I don't think we need to wonder how stupid Americans are, just how stupid Kristol is, what an a*&hole.

  • wasnt he sayin it sarcasticly ????????? or is he a peice of shit

  • oh hes a genuine turd

  • Don't be stupid. It was OBVIOUSLY sarcasm.

  • He is an enemy of the Constitution.

  • we should kick the shit outta his faggot ass

  • Kristol is such a piece of shit, i want to personally kick his fucking ass. its assholes like him that ruin your country america

  • How come only the good guys get assassinated and the evil bastards live to a rotten old age?

  • Because evil son of a bitches always come up with a lot of ways to kill the good ones, the good ones are just too nice to fight back.

  • when good ppl die a.k.a. jfk the government is in on it and cover it up..jfk assassination was blamed on him being involved with the mob and oweing money but thats all bullshit thats wut was said in the tabloids because the government is in on every assassination even if u hear a different story on the news

  • I knew that, the neocon and the secret government they shape the world and they were/are the ones who created world events, they create crisis and then provide a solution, it's called problem, reaction, solution. Every time a conflict occurs between 2 countries or more they are the onces who add more fuel into the fire.

  • I believe they are the ones shipping the drugs into the US, otherwise there wouldn't be any drugs in the streets of US. With all the technologies and satellite they still couldn't stop the drug smuggling, unless they are the ones bringing the drugs in.

  • Oops, I forgot to sign out my brother's account, sorry, I'm sjvietboy408.

  • How come only the good guys get assassinated and the evil bastards live to a rotten old age?

  • This is one of the few things you'll find me agreeing with Kristol on.

    I am against anything that forces the government to tax me and allocate the money as they see fit.

    From my experience, they always get their hands on the money before it goes to it's intended benefactor.

    Do NOT trust politicians with your money, the only person you can trust with it is yourself.

  • Ok let me get this straight

    Lets not help Americas children. Lets build hospitals in Bagdad and a state of the art health care system for Iraq.Then we can bomb Iran and spend another trillion to rebuild that nation with american tax payers dollars.

    I would like to see us start putting Americans first. Woulden't all of you????

  • When is someone gonna refuse to acknowledge this jerkoff. Kristol just needs to not be acknowledged. We've heard his AIPAC crap long enough.

  • I'm not condoning or saying it should happen BUT IMHO if it were to happen if they'd line all the Neo-Caons up against the wall and shoot them I'd say with 100% confidence that I'd not shed a tear. They've ripped the US to shreds and are complicit in spilling the blood of innocents worldwide through lies and exaggerations. NEWS FLASH: Al Queda is not real folks.

  • Al-Qaeda isn't real? Wake up, buddy. Are Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri not real either?

    Wake up and read THE LOOMING TOWER: AL-QAEDA AND THE ROAD TO 9/11.

  • The Neo-Cons have strengthened Al-Qaeda by motivating thousands to join its ranks through their actions. Wake up and look at reality.

  • The Neo-Cons have strengthened Al-Qaeda by motivating thousands to join its ranks through their actions. Wake up and look at reality.

  • It was William Kristol who rallied Republicans to kill the Clinton health care plan in 1993. Smarmy rich kid Kristol thinks it's funny that 47 million Americans have no health insurance and those who do still go broke paying for health care.

  • Exactly where in the Constitution is the federal government given authority for SCHIP?

  • dude it isnt in there. people need to realize its time to use the 2nd amendment

  • oh,i see...let's just deny kids health care because its not in the constitution. hey, does it say to build hospitals either? libertarianism sucks

  • how are you so narrow minded and how are you forgetting the fundamental flaw in your argument? Soldiers are meant to fight wars which encroach on personal liberties and threaten our national soverignty...don't confuse a real war with a made-up war that is completely senseless....and btw...the 3000 americans dead in 9/11 was from terrorists not Iraqis (big difference) and thousands dead in Iraq is from U.S stupidity (mostly from Bush's policies and dickheads like you)

  • And by the way, I am a member of the GOP, but upset with these Neocons running my party.

  • Kristol is exactly what a Neoconservative (Neocon)is and the problem of the Republican Party.

  • I love wacked out theories like this ... they give me a BIG pink BONER! ... Mmmm GOOD!

  • "you really wonder stupid they think the american people are."

    OH FOXNEWS. THE IRONY!!

  • Kristol is the kind of kike that should have been thrown in the gas chamber a long time ago.

  • Shut up, liberal twerp. Don't you have innocent babies to kill and military recruitment centers to desecrate?

  • lol...you would have a much different tone if we were attacking Israel instead of Iraq...enough said asshole

  • As long as it advances the interest of the United States, we should push around any country we can to make the world a better place.

    We are the best country on Earth. Anyone who F's with the U.S.A should get exactly what is coming to them. Like I said, as long as it advances our short and long-term interests, fair game, lib bitches.

  • "push around any country to make the world a better place"

    spoken like a true asshole.

    btw...as far as best interest is concerned, its in U.S's best interest to pull out and save a lot of lives and lot of money being wasted on the war. It's in the U.S's best interest to combat domestic issues rather than create ones overseas and continue with them.

  • Why the name-calling? I just have the best interests of the future of the U.S in mind. You just have your liberal anti-war agenda prop cards to go off of. The liberal media has gotten to you, buddy. Watch more fair and balanced programming.

    It's in yours and the liberals in Congress' best interest to act as if they care about the troops by "protecting" them. Just admit you hate the military and we can be on our merry way.

  • i dont hate the military...i want them to live...and the best way of doing that is by not fighting...maybe you should lay off of your fair and balanced bill o'reilly cock riding for a few minutes and use your head for thinking rather than resting it on cocks of strange men

  • Not fighting? Ever? Even when 3,000 Americans are slaughtered? Should we try to "talk" and "reason" with these people? No! We fight them with all our heart and do everything we can to defeat them.

    It may surprise you, but these soldiers put thei life on the line to do just that and keep us safe. If you never wanna fight, then you obviously don't think there is a reason for a military, which means you don't want soldiers, which means you hate the military, and hate soldiers

  • "These people" Which people are those?

  • Ok so we have that you hate the military. We can drop that now.

    And "these people" are the terrorists, douchebag. Al-Qaeda,Militant Islamists, and Radical Jihadists. Who the hell did you think I was talking about? Feminists?

  • The problem with your thinking is that you are bundling all these different militant groups into one "threat." Its an 'us vs. them' mentality. Of course violent militant groups need to be dealt with, but the last thing you want to do is to lump them all together and treat them like super powerful cartoon villains.

    These are poor third world militants, not some superhuman threat. We can deal with them in better ways than a bullshit "War on Terror."

  • I love our military, but they should only fight and die to defend America, i.e., fighting against Al-Quaida and the Taliban, not policing a civil war. Also, unlike neocon(aka,neo-Troskyite socialist) like Kristol, I think our military should be patrolling our border with Mexico instead of the borders of Iraq and some other counrty.

    BTW, I am a life long Republican, member of the Republican Liberty Cacaucus, member of the NRA, and I hate Bush 100%.

    Ron Paul in '08 OR, Hagel in 2012

  • Fuck Ron Paul! He can suck a big fat on with his Democratic foreign policy. He's a fucking liberal when it comes to protecting our country and our allies.

  • IF he is so liberal, then why did he vote in favor of sending the army in to cetch and kill Bin Laden? Bush is the liberal, as he has increased the size of the government and is in bed with Saudi terrorist and sends the army to kill his friend's the Saudi's enemy Saddam while Bin Laden laughs at us.

  • Ya! How could we even think of withdrawing 75,000 troops from Germany!?

  • ummm...because we have WAY more pressing issues at home that we need to deal with before sorting out EVERY OTHER nations troubles for them. We need to concentrate on intranational policy more than international policy right now. OUR country is going down the tubes if some major change doesn't occur.

  • Wow, you are very misinformed and your view is very askew. "Democratic foreign policy"?! Look at the true definitions of Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, and Republican before posting any more comments to this effect. Ron Paul is an old school conservative(not a neocon asshole like Bush & co.) with Libertarian leanings. Educate yourself.

  • The neocon propaganda that you have ingested and so righteously spew originated from a liberal think tank and PNAC. The ideals of spreading democracy are traced to Leon Trotsky the radical Russian revolutionary. The crackpot neo-con pundits have changed the definition of conservatism into a wackjob idealology that more resembles fascism than anything else.

  • IRAQ had NOTHING to do with 9/11. This country spends more on military spending than all other nations in the world combined. It maintains 1000 military bases around the world. That is not defense of our homeland, it is unsustainable madness. It's because of warmongers like you and Kristol that this nation could spend itself into economic oblivion. Some of us are fighting to prevent that. That is the REAL fighting to be done.

  • Like what, global warming? More money for failing government schools? Give me a break.

    Liberals don't want to protect the homeland. Obama and most of the other Dumbocrats oppose the border fence and our national sovereignty along with wanting to give illegal aliens driver's licenses.

    Economic oblivion? My goodness. I guess you think we are in a recession, don't you? No more Paul Krugman for you, my friend.

  • The fact that you'd question global warming says volumes about how misinformed and deluded you are. You obviously don't have the foresight to see the writing on the wall. We have been running up record deficits for military spending we cannot sustain, and it has come at the expense of areas that really matter (and every other industrialized nation makes a priority). Turn off the schlock radio, read some real books, and get a clue.

  • Learn some fucking science from actual scientists instead of the ideologues before you go around disputing global warming. Four decades of evidence support it, and I am sick of the ignorant hubris of those who go around thinking they are qualified to render judgement on it. Opinions are like assholes, and so are most people who claim it's not real.

  • We've been spending about 4% of GDP on DoD which is near 40 year lows. It's affordable and sustainable. Our spending on public schools K-12 on a per capita basis is in the top 5 of the western democracies, but our performance is abysmal. IMO this is because of failed famililes and the Teacher's Union, not inadquate spending. The debate on GW continues, as it should. There are credible scientists on both sides of the issue. Lets de-politicize GW and let the scientists continue their research.

  • There. Is. No. Liberal. Media. Thats an outright fallacy. It's called the 'Big Lie.' Its a classic propaganda technique.

    Look who OWNS the media in this country. Our media is a corporate media which is being consolidated further and further. This consolidation, by far, is supported by the right wing in this country.

    Do your homework.

  • This sort of close mindedness and stupidity is what is going to destroy America. I love America and am an old school conservative, not a neocon douchebag before you go around throwing a "liberal" tag on me. The fact is that W. is WAY more liberal than any true conservative like Ron Paul. smarten up, THEN come step to somebody. all you're doing here is conveying your ignorance.

  • Talk about a whacked out argument. You believe the fabricated bullshit about RP? Look at how deep they had to dig to find ANYTHNG about RP? and what they found is irrelevant. What...he's supposed to screen every donor and give the money back when anti-paulers "expose" one donor's background?! Never said Bush "runs the world" either, he does run the white house with an iron fist though, and has extended the power of the executive branch far more than the founding fathers ever intended.

  • The President owns the white House, dumb-ass. That is HIS place. No schmuck should be able to just walk into anyone's home and take over.

  • and I'll tell you what it is with everyone, not just liberals,(which, as I stated earlier btw, I am NOT)going on at great length about W. HE HAS RUINED THIS NATION TO THE TUNE OF HIS OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT. I'm not going to waste much energy explaining that, the writing's on the wall. If you can't see it, you are, in fact, ignorant. His treachery is plainly evident, and he is quite possibly the worst president ever. He should be impeached, he has given the Republican party a VERY bad name.

  • Only liberals think he should be impeached. No where will you find a conservative who thinks like Dennis "E.T" Kucinich.

  • Dude, seriously...get informed before you continue embarassing yourself.

    "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."-Abraham Lincoln

  • This guys a joke... LOL

  • Old School Conservative? What the hell does even mean? Bet it will sound a lot like the American left nowadays.

  • I'm not going to waste my time explaining everything to you. You're going to have to do some research for yourself(looking at BOTH sides arguments...not just the neocons vs. liberal viewpoint) or remain ignorant. all I will tell you is that there are old school conservatives and there are neoconservatives. Their agendas couldn't be much more dissimilar, and two prime examples would be Ron Paul=old school George W.=neocon.

  • Kristol, it seems to me, is a sociopath.

  • After all 4 Bush's,G1,G2,Jeb,Marv,Dickhead Cheney my dream is to bitch slap Pnac Bill.

  • Will Kristol is a piece of trash propagandist who likes thinking up witty ways to justify killing and stealing.

  • Reagan, 1964: "millions of people go hungry. 'cause they're on a diet, LOL"

    Kristol, 2007: "I'm happy that the President's willing to do something bad to poor kids, LOL"

    Conservatives never change. They are monsters, incapable of empathizing with people outside their income bracket.

  • Jesus Christ another misleading headline. The headline's first half is a quote of a quote not a quote directly from Bill Kristol.

    He of course means that terms like "Heartless assault on children" are quotes used by emotion-appealing fear-mongers trying to use guilt to persuade people into doing things that practically may not be the right way to go.

    For instance, I stopped being a liberal democrat when I figured out that liberals and democrats will not fight for either liberty or democracy.

  • Find Jack Cafferty, The Situation Room, talking on CNN about SCHIP, then the picture becomes clear.

  • I feel sorry for Jack Cafferty's interns and assistants. Have you ever seen him yell at them on live tv? It's the funniest damn thing ever.

  • I haven't seen tht I just remember him from NY. He tells how much money Bush wasted, to make sure his pals, funnel money to elections.

  • That's funny, 'cause I could never call myself a Republican or a Conservative until they fight for conservative spending or the republic, which is protected by the same Constitution that they are shredding to pieces.

  • It's not that republicans don't love their children. They do It's the rest of the children in this nation they hate, like yours.

  • Kristol is the biggest HACK! He is a piece of shit ...who was suppose to be an expert who knew that there was weapons of Mass destruction! He is a traitor... he is a terrorist!

  • Yeah, Juan Williams! NPR rocks, I'm surprised Fox has the courage to put their guys up there.

  • You know the measure of a society is how well the weak and down trodden are treated. Children are going to die because of political posturing and it is SO SO bad at the moment that no one is even surprised.

  • I find it interesting how when someone uploads a video like this they allow comments from ALL users but when a rightwinger uploads a video more often than not they delete comments they don't like because they are COWARDS who FEAR free speech. A perfect example is the clip- Rush Challenges Harry Reid: "Say it to my Face". The person who uploaded keeps deleting all anti-Rush comments! Typical Repub- when you can't debate just censor! LOL!

  • "How stupid they think the American people are?" - Kristol

    Well, you tell me.

  • Well yea, they keep putting up with Bush, congress and a war that has already been admitted to be under false pretense so how stupid do you think the American people are? I'd say it's pretty obvious. More beer and TV please.

  • Fox News Reporters are the epitome of ASSHOLISM. Shit bags, male and Female, One and All.

  • To HELL with Bill Kritol and all NEOCONS!

  • Honestly - and non-ideologically: For most of us, whether we pay 12 cents of every dollar we make to a private health insurance or 12 cents of every dollar in taxes to pay for health insurance - same thing.What matters is the quality of care....unless you are an economic taliban.

    One more thing: My father used to be a highly-skilled surgeon. He operated. All the time. His US colleagues spend a lot of time filling out forms. That is a waste of skills. In any system.

  • victor: I have friends working in the US health care system who say the same thing. For instance, a visiting nurse I know spends almost half his time doing paperwork for the insurance companies, instead of seeing patients.

  • Another liberal smear campaign designed to manipulate the weak-minded.

  • you cant honestly believe that liberal smear campaigns are worse than conservative ones? you cant really believe in the neo-cons anymore? they dont want whats best for america they want whats best for their america. 15 out of the 19 were saudis not iraqis i want saudis DEAD! i dont want to buy their oil i want to take it for america! fuck saudi arabia fuck the neo-cons fuck kristol little bitch

  • Wow!!! Can you Imagine the contempt for the innocent? That is not a Republican belief. That is a Neo-Con belief. I'm a Republican, Not a Reptilian & I realize that the sorry minded Neo-conservatives are evil and their attempt to desensitize the Public into thinking that Children aren't important, is an exellent ploy to further their assault on the ignorant & the Innocent. After the Innocent come the Intelligent.

  • Now if these were underprivileged Jewish children we were talking about here I suspect these Jewish pundits would be all for giving them the same U.S. taxpayer funded care that Israeli children receive.

    What a dysfunctional country.

  • How does Kristol manage to get laid?

  • Screw Kristol and his stupid smirk...

  • He should have said NEO cons use people in uniform to bolster their arguments, Because Ron Paul is republican and the greatest politician of our time!

  • To lt5lee: it is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.

  • Thank god for Juan Williams

  • It5lee: "liberals hate too moch truth." You suddenly developing a rasta accent?

    And please direct me to an MSNBC program promoting "masochistic satanism." This I've got to see.

    Are you pulling our legs, pretending to be a right wing zealot the way "GOPFreedomFighter" does? I mean, it's kinda hard to take comments like this very seriously.

  • It5lee: is this the same Reinhold Aman who was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison for mailing threatening letters and postcards to his ex-wife, and to judges and lawyers in Wisconsin? I know characters like this are favorites of the right wing echo chamber, but he hardly seems the most reliable of sources.

  • I looked up both these stories.The one from Canada seems to be from May 2000, though it's been reposted, the one from Wales is 2004. This past year I personally know a friend who had to wait weeks for radiation treatments for breast cancer. There is a growing "health tourism" industry of Americans going overseas for treatment, not to mention US elders going to Canada for drugs. National health isn't perfect, but as the May 2007 study showed, it's better than what we've got in the US.

  • The neo-cons on Fox News are huge supporters of scumbag Giuliani.  Huckabee isn't scary enough, Romney is Mormon, Thompson is too lazy, and McCain supports campaign finance reform.

    Keep that in mind.

  • No, they pretend to back Giuliani, but Rupert Murdoch donated to Hilary Clinton's campaign. The election is in the bag, so they think.

    Just think about why FOX is privately backing Hilary. When I say privately, I don't mean secretly, I mean the media is very quiet about it.

  • Thats precious.

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    CURRENT MEDIA BLACKOUT! WATCH QUICKLY BEFORE ITS DELETED A 3RD TIME!

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  • Bill Kristol was being sarcastic. I'm not sure why this was so hard for everyone to catch.

  • i must of missed the part of the constitution that says free health care is a right.

  • exweez: you're right, there's nothing in the Constitution about publicly funded health care. Also nothing about highways, bridges, sewage treatment, education, air traffic control, food and drug testing.... Best to abolish them all, and get back to privately owned outhouses, etc.

  • yes it is best to get the feds out of all those areas. they are state responsabilities not federal.the federal gov. shouldn't be a goodie bag for what ever socialist utopia you people dream up.

  • exweez:it's best to get the fed. gov. out of air traffic control? You think Del. and Miss. ought to have their own systems? That might be kinda awkward.

    Among the socialist utopias we liberals dreamed up were the Grand Coulee and Hoover dams, which opened up the northwest and southwest to private development. And it was federally subsidized water projects that turned Tucson and Las Vegas from sleepy hamlets into real cities, providing jobs jobs jobs in the private sector.

  • Remember folks: taxpayer funded sewage treatment is the first step on the road to socialism!

  • Bill Kristol needs a conscience transplant.

    Smart sociopaths don't get themselves jailed or executed by killing or raping. Instead, they join the neocon Republican party, where they can cause mass havoc in all sorts of devious ways and be applauded for doing so. Fox: The Official Network of Evil.

  • Why, yes. I do believe that Bill Kristol sees heartless assaults on children as a good idea.

  • It5lee: most of whom "die waiting on surgery?" Most of the people in Scandinavia? Most of the people in Germany "die waiting for surgery?" Source please.

  • Kristol is the grinning face of pure evil.

  • Yeah, and what's funny is he looks so innocent if you don't know anything about him. What a snake he (Kristol) is.

  • There are two issues here:

    1. Aside from its legitimate functions (roads, defense, etc) government doesn't do ANYTHING as well as the private sector. So the more important something is, the more important it is to have in the private sector.

    2. The parents of children are those who have the responsibility to provide for their families. Any other help (financial or medical) from outside must be voluntary.

  • jashby: 1. I wonder how it is conservs feel gov. can't do anything right EXCEPT for defense, roads etc. Isn't it strange that those who argue that the private sector always knows best, run to the gov. as soon as their lives are threatened? If the private sector is so superior, why not trust it to provide for our defense as well?

  • Under that logic, why shouldn't we entrust the government to do everything for us? As for defense, look at private contracting firms in Iraq (Blackwater etc). They have as many private forces as there are armymen. Infrastructure and defense are very different. What you are advocating is an expanse in our spending that encompasses 1/7 of our budget. How will we pay for it? Aren't we already in massive debt?

  • Justjoey:you're using Blackwater as an example of how the private sector does a better job than gov.? Blackwater is a prime example why privatizing some aspects of gov. is a bad idea. And yes, we are in massive debt, thanks to Bush's "fuzzy math." Until the GOP borrow and spenders took control, our gov. was raking up multi-hundred billion $ surplusses, year after year.

  • I was using them as an example that you CAN find the private sector in our defense. There are numerous other examples. Surplus? Clinton didn't accomplish that until his last year, which really was a surplus PROJECTION. Surpluses, by the way, are not good. It means the gov's taxes are too high, hence the tax cuts. Spending accounted for this debt, what makes you think spending will bring us out of it?

  • And you can find the private sector in the German health care system as well.

    "Clinton didn't accomplish this until his last year..." Clinton surplusses:

    1998: $54.39 billion

    1999: $156.66 billion

    2000: $254.62 billion.

    "Surplusses...are not good." So says the GOP, after running up record deficits each time they've held power the past 30 yrs. The interest alone on the added GOP debt amounts to billions each year.

  • Again, you're not looking into the numbers. Those were projected budgets. Surpluses are a result of too much taxation. A small debt insures future investment abroad, one that is too large makes us impotent.

  • JJ: I did look into the numbers. These aren't "projected" surplusses, they're the numbers derived of actual surplus after the fact. The "projected figures" you're talking about relate to the additional $trillion+ we would have had, had we continued under the Clinton/Gore budgets these past 7 yrs.

  • Yes, and for those three years, spending bills were weaseled in on earmarks, and other frivolous spending to erase the surplus. The taxes were too high. Where is the money better placed? In the pockets of taxpayers, or government?

  • "and for those 3 yrs...earmarks." Oh please, like earmarks disappeared under Bush and the GOP controlled Congress? And the earmarks under Clinton didn't "erase" the surplus--that's why we had surplusses those 3 yrs running.

  • There have been books written on the 'surpluses' by Allen Smith among others that show how surpluses were spent at the end of every fiscal year. The next started at zero, and a surplus created at the end of the year. I actually didn't think Clinton was that bad. Though I take offense on this matter. The facts are that the taxes should have been lowered.

  • JJ: "under that logic, why shouldn't we entrust the gov. to do everything?"

    The logic I use tells me that the private sector does best for some things, gov. for others, and a mix of the two for others. You obviously believe the same, or you'd be arguing for completely privatizing the US Air Force and all sewage treatment plants. I think health care is an instance where a gov. run insurance system-as in Germany, for instance-makes a lot of sense.

  • No, I don't agree with your 'mixed' economy. Not to mention Germany recently had to restructure their system bc of a 10bil shortfall. They also had to raise taxes on an "extra premium" on policyholders. They have also had to try to insulate them from frivolous visits, by having consultation fees and prescription charges. It is about restructuring HOW insurance works (see Whole Foods healthcare plan), gov run systems create waste, shortages, rationing, and frivolous visits.

  • Why is our knee-jerk reaction to run to the government for protection? Why should the government take on MY smoking addiction? You shouldn't have to pay for my medical expenses that result. The same with obesity related illnesses. I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's life decisions, and vise versa. When gov takes on 50% of the costs, private insurance firms are helped, and the people are hurt, not the other way around.

  • "Why should the government take on MY smoking habit?" Well, why should my private insurer take on your smoking habit? Or your bad eating habits, etc.? If you pay into a private plan, you're subsidizing others' bad health habits just as you would in a gov. plan. Maybe the proper libertarian solution is to refuse health care to anyone who smokes, drinks, or is overwreight. Or drives too fast. Or lives near a toxic waste dump, or....

  • Incorrect. I would simply pay MORE to receive the same benefits. If I am not a smoker, diet, exercise, etc I will pay lower costs for those benefits. I never implied the curtailment of individual liberties, only that the costs lie in my decisions and life choices, not how much I earn/taxed.

  • JJ: under our current system, the taxpayers pay for health care for those too ill, disabled, or poor for the private sector to want. Thus we get the worst of all worlds: subsidized profits for the HC corporations, rising tax investment. Under the German system, anyone who wants to can use the gov. system, or they can go private. Ppl pay premiums either way, and chose their own doctors.If anyone is being "knee jerk" it's libertarians who have a 1 size fits all solution to everything.

  • You're looking for the socialist answer. The gov repeatedly extends coverage to people who make more and more, thus taking them out of the pool for competition. Businesses take advantage of this by not having to reduce costs. They also pay a hefty price tag regardless of how much care they receive. When you shelter 80% of the people, there is no one to compete over. One size fits all? From someone who wants FEDERAL healthcare?

  • I'm not looking for "a socialist answer." I'm looking for an answer that works, and I'm not willing to abandon a possible solution just because you like to stick a label on it.

    I like the German system because a) it does offer choices b) it covers everyone c) it's cheaper than what we've got here.

  • What else do you call government-run healthcare?! It is what it is, and it will bankrupt us. You are correct, it is ONE, out of thousands of solutions. The German system is one of two healthcares. One for those who can afford it, and long lines for the other. We need a solution for all. The choices for non-gov plans under universal HC are too expensive, bc you remove the competition and will to compete.

  • Whatever problems the Germans are having, they don't come close to our having tens of millions of uninsured. And their per capita spending on health care is still less than ours, but with similar or better outcomes in terms of life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. Generally speaking, when someone gets the same or better results for less $, it means their system is more efficient.

  • That is because we are trying to have it both ways. We need to invest in preventative care, and stop trying to cover EVERYONE at ALL TIMES. If it's free people will use more of it, since they have paid a fixed percentage already in taxes.

  • "...and stop trying to cover EVERYONE AT ALL TIMES." So, who wouldn't you cover? We know who the private insurers won't cover: people with disabilities and pre-existing conditions, and people who can't afford the premiums. Is that who we should give up on? And what do we do when someone who isn't covered gets in a car wreck? Or develops MS?

  • ...Look don't make me into some devil who thinks no one should have care. Car insurance? If you develop MS and have coverage, then your coverage provides care, you can sue them if they don't. I wouldn't cover someone who has the flu going to the emergency room, I wouldn't have the gov cover conditions that were brought on by your own life decisions. You generalize over all these people NOT covered, but fail to realize that over 250,000,000 ARE covered.

  • If you develop a disability you may be able to keep coverage, (though capitated plans impose lifetime spending limits on all conditions, including MS, spinal cord injury, etc.) But if you're born with a disability or develop it as a child, you're out of luck, which is why gov. programs were developed to begin with. I wouldn't cover someone with the flu going to an ER either, most (all?) Medicaid programs have "prior approval" or "med. necessary" clauses, as do private insurers.