That was great i like the way you do a complete routine, the only part i thought didnt fit was the invisable palm part, it seems you throw that in just to get rid of the x card, instead just palm it off and cap the deck, i subed:)
@TheBradTobin Hey thanks for the sub! I do a 10 min gambling routine which includes the triumph, kings to aces change, invisible palm, twisting the aces, and ends with dr. daleys last trick or Vernon's Variant. If you noticed in all my videos I have very little room to work with in terms of the space and I trying constantly to stay inframe. I shorten the routine to about 4 mins for the contest. I agree with you that it is the weakest part of the peformance because it doesnt flow as well.
@joshgillespiewolf Hey thanks for the comment. I am curious to hear your ideas as to why “Triumph” does not belong in a gambling routine? Triumphs are used quite often in gambling routines. The triumph I used in the routine above is actually Martin A. Nash’s “Kings Incognito.” The routine starts with a triumph which produce the four kings face up at the end of the triumph and then changes the four kings into aces and then goes into his version of invisible palm.
@joshgillespiewolf Ed Marlo has written (Darwin Ortiz has lectured on this point as well) many times that triumphs are useful for stacked deck routines (such as gambling routines) because it will not disturb the order. Also Juan Tamariz and recently Denis Behr have all written on the subject. So I would really like to hear your thoughts on why a “triumph” should not be used in gambling routines?
@TariacuriMAGIC My opinion is the same as that of darwin ortiz. If you don't know, darwin ortiz is the leading sleight of hand expert with cards, and his character persona is that of a crooked gambler (ish). And he says that triumphs are bad in a gambling routine as the audience knows from common sense that when you play a card game all of the cards are face down. Furthermore, there are only two needs for a triumph. Firstly is for a pick a card any card trick, which is not gambling. And to...
@joshgillespiewolf huh? Have you read any of Ortiz's book? Viewed any of his DVD's? I know who Darwin Ortiz is and his character persona is "not" of a "crooked" gambler. In fact, his persona during shows and in real life is of a gaming consultant to stop cheating and therefore he demonstrates gambling routines in which he is supposedly revealing how cheating is done and/or could be prevented. He makes it clear that he has always been a law abidding person with high moral fiber.
@joshgillespiewolf Where does Ortiz state that "Triumphs" are bad in a gambling routine? Buy his 2nd Internaional Magic lecture DVD, and he states that triumphs work well in gambling routines/ stacked and/or memorized deck routines because they dont distrub the order of the deck. He lectures/teaches on 2 triumph gambling routines...so I am curious for the reference where he states "triumphs are bad in a gambling routine"?
@joshgillespiewolf Lastly, I am very confused as to what your point is in your last couple of sentences. Locating 4 kings or aces are not gambling routines? When a magician peforms gambling routines or demonstrates cheating skills it is quite different than an actual gambler explaing how to cheat. Ortiz makes a living mainly through performing Magic full time. Therefore, he gambling routines are based on Magic theory and performanes to entertainmain lay audiences. So I am confused by your point?
@TheBradTobin I think that doing invisible palm, the entire routine from begining to end, after changing the kings into aces allows the magician to end very clean. They can burn the hand and there is nothing to see. If the entire routine is perfomed I think it is the best way to get rid of the X card. But if not I agree palming the card would make it eaiser but as i mentioned I didnt really have enough room and I had to keep moving the deck around and I wanted my hands in full view.
That was great i like the way you do a complete routine, the only part i thought didnt fit was the invisable palm part, it seems you throw that in just to get rid of the x card, instead just palm it off and cap the deck, i subed:)
TheBradTobin 1 year ago
@TheBradTobin Hey thanks for the sub! I do a 10 min gambling routine which includes the triumph, kings to aces change, invisible palm, twisting the aces, and ends with dr. daleys last trick or Vernon's Variant. If you noticed in all my videos I have very little room to work with in terms of the space and I trying constantly to stay inframe. I shorten the routine to about 4 mins for the contest. I agree with you that it is the weakest part of the peformance because it doesnt flow as well.
TariacuriMAGIC 1 year ago
@TariacuriMAGIC Triumph should not be in a gambling routine. Nor should a kings to aces change.
joshgillespiewolf 10 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf Hey thanks for the comment. I am curious to hear your ideas as to why “Triumph” does not belong in a gambling routine? Triumphs are used quite often in gambling routines. The triumph I used in the routine above is actually Martin A. Nash’s “Kings Incognito.” The routine starts with a triumph which produce the four kings face up at the end of the triumph and then changes the four kings into aces and then goes into his version of invisible palm.
TariacuriMAGIC 10 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf Ed Marlo has written (Darwin Ortiz has lectured on this point as well) many times that triumphs are useful for stacked deck routines (such as gambling routines) because it will not disturb the order. Also Juan Tamariz and recently Denis Behr have all written on the subject. So I would really like to hear your thoughts on why a “triumph” should not be used in gambling routines?
TariacuriMAGIC 10 months ago
@TariacuriMAGIC My opinion is the same as that of darwin ortiz. If you don't know, darwin ortiz is the leading sleight of hand expert with cards, and his character persona is that of a crooked gambler (ish). And he says that triumphs are bad in a gambling routine as the audience knows from common sense that when you play a card game all of the cards are face down. Furthermore, there are only two needs for a triumph. Firstly is for a pick a card any card trick, which is not gambling. And to...
joshgillespiewolf 10 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf huh? Have you read any of Ortiz's book? Viewed any of his DVD's? I know who Darwin Ortiz is and his character persona is "not" of a "crooked" gambler. In fact, his persona during shows and in real life is of a gaming consultant to stop cheating and therefore he demonstrates gambling routines in which he is supposedly revealing how cheating is done and/or could be prevented. He makes it clear that he has always been a law abidding person with high moral fiber.
TariacuriMAGIC 9 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf Where does Ortiz state that "Triumphs" are bad in a gambling routine? Buy his 2nd Internaional Magic lecture DVD, and he states that triumphs work well in gambling routines/ stacked and/or memorized deck routines because they dont distrub the order of the deck. He lectures/teaches on 2 triumph gambling routines...so I am curious for the reference where he states "triumphs are bad in a gambling routine"?
TariacuriMAGIC 9 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf Lastly, I am very confused as to what your point is in your last couple of sentences. Locating 4 kings or aces are not gambling routines? When a magician peforms gambling routines or demonstrates cheating skills it is quite different than an actual gambler explaing how to cheat. Ortiz makes a living mainly through performing Magic full time. Therefore, he gambling routines are based on Magic theory and performanes to entertainmain lay audiences. So I am confused by your point?
TariacuriMAGIC 9 months ago
@TariacuriMAGIC Locate the four aces or kings etc... Which also is not gamling... And again, the audience knows this.
joshgillespiewolf 10 months ago
@TheBradTobin I think that doing invisible palm, the entire routine from begining to end, after changing the kings into aces allows the magician to end very clean. They can burn the hand and there is nothing to see. If the entire routine is perfomed I think it is the best way to get rid of the X card. But if not I agree palming the card would make it eaiser but as i mentioned I didnt really have enough room and I had to keep moving the deck around and I wanted my hands in full view.
TariacuriMAGIC 1 year ago
teddy bears haha! good job man!
janmanpeterpan 1 year ago
@janmanpeterpan thanks! Its the only close up mat I have...I guess it will do for now :)
TariacuriMAGIC 1 year ago