I'm catalan and I feel me spanish too. This videos are made only by the people who wants Catalonia out from Spain. Most of the people don't feel bad about Spain here
@japanmania This video does not tell lies. One thing is what you feel (which I fully respect) and another is how the things really are. And your statement "most of the people" is simply subjective. I can also say that today there are more Catalans wanting independence than Catalans that do not.
Oh and mostly everything that says the suposed teacher of history is not true.
Another thing Why has not the video subtitles in engnlish even even if the half of the world speaks spanish? Havent an spanish person anything to say about this????
Im Spanish, from the south, and in my opinion, these aren't the arguments, that at least, people support. I know that Cataluña makes money and the other parts of Spain, i mean goverment, do not recognise it. But from my point of view, that independentism feeling is not growing, i think it is shrinking.
Catalonia owes over 50,000,000 Euros in debt. They would never be able to pay for that on their and maintain a stable economy. This IS fiction. And Science Fiction is a genre used in literature for things like STAR WARS and other impossible things in the FUTURE, you're discussing things in the PRESENT.
@MontChevalier Catalonia's GDP in 2009 was 204.000 million euros, 4 times greater than its debt. On the other hand Catalonia's deficit with respect to Spain is about 20.000 million euros per year, so let's say things clear: Catalonia could return its debt without problems if Spain didn't cause this deficit.
@wmmvb Wrong. It's GDP is 50.000 Euros, 4 times lower than its debt. It's only gotten where it has due to EU aid. Catalonia would end up leaving the EU if it becomes independent from Spain.
@MontChevalier Dude, 50.000€ is what a medium engineer earns in a year... Check the Spanish National Institute of Statistics before saying nonsense (ine . es)
@MontChevalier I did. Did you? Visit the web ine.es .You'll find public data on there. By the way, I don't know how catastrophic would be for Catalonia to leave Spain, but what I know for sure is how catastrophic is for Catalonia today to belong to Spain.
The chairman of the Spanish Supreme Judicial Council, Carlos Dívar, compared Catalan language to Mandinga. Catalan congressman Joan Tardà denounced on Twitter that Dívar, referring to linguistic rights in the Justice Committee Congress, said that he is “sensitive to languages. I once asked for an interpreter because of a person who spoke Mandinga.”
And I wonder? If the Catalan language has never had its own language, history or traditions, why since 1714 with the “Decreto de Nueva Planta” created by a Bourbon, until today, with another Bourbon and through appalling dictatorships, has always Spain need pumps or laws to fight against it?
Atlanteans(Basques) settled greece,egypt, rome etc n schooled the backward natives of those places...look at bankrupt greece today lol such a "civilized" people hm? n the noisy n mongrelized romans(latinos enough said lol) are hated by humanity for killing Jesus(also an atlantean btw) and these disgustin creatures mentioned above concealed the atlanteans schooled their clueless asses...very grateful people hm? lol damn impostors.The catalans are blood brothers of the basques.
So, I have to ask. What about Catalogne? It is French Catalunya. Why are the Spanish catalans abandoning them? It will be like Canada where the Quebec ois have abandoned the other French Canadians. A catalan nation should include ALL parts of catalonia.
@wmmvb Yes. I think the French may have been more destructive of catalan culture that the Castillians. If the Catalans do not leave France when their fellow Catalans leave Spain, they never will. You will notice that I say "when' not 'if' the Spanish Catalans leave.
More people speak Catalan than Danish, Swedish, and Finnish! In addition....Catalan products are GROWING! Catalonia has its own website domains, and it's only recognized business language! Businesses in UK who started Catalan branches saw up to a 20% increase in business! Catalan is the future for businesses! Spanish boycotts would not cause long term issues. The last 50 years has seen an INCREASE in the trend of more countries than the 50 years before. NOT a decrease. The way of the future!
¡¡absolutly fantastic!!,that's a great video to use to explain what is Catalonia and how powerful we would be if we were an independent Country to the rest of the world.¡¡congratulations!!.
Vaya cantidad de mentiras y tonterias que dicen...ademas lo ponen en ingles para que se entere el mundo entero de las barbaridades que meten los politicos al pueblo para seguir comiendo de ellos...Cataluña sin España no es nada y viceversa, por que no se entiende una sin otra...
@wmmbv And tell me, why is Catalonia as it is? Although you can't recognize it, Franco invested a lot in industrializing Catalonia and the Basque country, while in other communities such as Andalusia just built swamps. And you didn't complained when Catalonia was the region of Spain that recieved more money from the Spanish estate. Catalonia is well thanks to Spain, not forget it.
@Pablogj444 Yeah, and Hitler invested in many countries for his own aim. Franco was a motherfucker that "invested" in Catalonia for bringing to there people from Spain with the goal of anhilating the Catalan's language and identity. The immigration from Spain was so big that there appeared microtowns and guettos in Catalonia where people had no idea of saying a word in Catalan.
what else do u whant u hve freedoome what the spanish tell u o you cant do that because ur a part of spain get over it i dont see valencia and the islands bitching avout ot
If Montenegro can be an independent nation, then so can Catalonia. And if the majority of Catalans want a Catalan republic, then they should have it. Simple as that.
La oligofrénica actitud nacionalista catalana ha sumido a Cataluña en un gueto pobre, marginal, vacío, insustancial, una aljama carente de futuro, de esperanza y atrapada dentro de límites alienantes y frustrantes que le han impuesto a su pueblo.Catalunya está arrodillada,sumida en el desaliento, suplicando un préstamo al gobierno central para pagar sueldos a empleados públicos.¿Cual ha sido el resultado de tanta prepotencia lingüistica y sectarismo? Pobreza, desesperanza, angustia y realidad
There is only one reason for Catalunya to stay in Spain: there would be no more el Classico derbies and regular rogering of Real Madrid if Catalunya is independent :D
Of course the Spanish Government do not want Catalonia to become independant, the main reason being about the route of all evil, money! Barcelona has a massive manufacturing output, exporting many products abroad, without this Spain would suffer a big loss in their income, they will never let go, but should let the Catalan people be independant once and for all.
Not only Catalonia has its own personlity and language and are an unique case into Spain. Many other nations without state exist: Asturies, Euskadi,Occitania(part of it is Era Val d'Aran, oficiality into Catalonia),.....
I'm catalan and independist and i am disagree with this video, the reason for i and so much catalans want to be free is that I feel catalan, no the economy.
@tps6slash Well, this video also emphasizes the fact that Catalans are a People with its own identity and culture. Economy is just the straw that breaks the camel's back ;-)
@wmmvb every community in Spain has different people with theyr own identity and culture also, but some catalans like to think that they are special than the rest
@EfluvioAragon Sure there are, but being independentist does not mean thinking that one is better than others. The problem is that Spanish unity is not a free decision but an obligation. Whereas UK approves (although doesn't agree with) an eventual Scottish independence, Spain is far for accepting such thing for any of its communities.
There's a big mistake in this video. Catalonia is much more than four provinces. What about the Valencian Country? What about the Rossillon? What about the Balearic islands? What about la Franja de Ponent? Enough "blaverism"! I'm from Ibiza and I'm as Catalan as you. At least!
@vturiserra It's true that all the regions you mentioned are known as the Catalan Countries but the term "Catalonia" refers to the current region. Rossillon was Catalonia indeed, but unfortunately the motherfucker Bourbon king Philip V of Spain gave it to France to achieve peace. Don't be wrong: I would also like a unified independent Catalan countries, but unfortunately it does not only depend on Catalan's decision but also on Valencians and Balearic people's decision!
@vturiserra i agree with you, and i am a catalan from catalonia. the difference is we don't vote for PP retards like Bauza. I know that probably wasn't you, but still.
Hasta los huevos de que nos digan que coño tenemos que sentir y pensar... Esta España no es nuestra, es de la monarquía, los ricos, aristócratas y los que dejaron con todo bien atado... La españa invertebrada debe vertebrarse a través de ejercer la libre ciudadanía responsable... Y menos cuentos chinos de espíritus nacionales. Españolistas o secesionistas
Very intressting, I'm going to be honest (possibly get a lot of hate for it). First, yes Catalonia would function fine as a independent country, but I ask why instead of how? I it for the sake of freedom? There is nothing that says it would be impossible to be a free man or woman in Spain (is there?) Or is it possible it is the fear of loosing you cultural identity? A cultural identity will exist for as long the people of that culture wants to have it, after all, all cultures change in time.
Dear ChrisNikopol, I strongly disagree with your opinion. You must take into account that the media and laws influence mostly people's will, and can very well modify identity and culture within one region. In the case of Catalonian environment, as long as Catalonia is a part of Spain law and the media will be absolutely controlled by Spain, thus controlling people
Generalitat de Catalunya's government Catalonia is not an example of good performance within the autonomical governments in Spain. It's one of the regions with the highest debt and has huge problems financing education and the health system. I think that proofs that the independence would not make any good to Catalonia, and neither would it to the rest of the country.
@tarlang8 Provided that Catalonia does not manage its own taxes, your statement is simply empty. Catalonia's debt could be payed with only 1 year of the taxes Spain takes from Catalonia.
@wmmvb Madrid is the autonomous community that contributes the most to the spanish budget (with less population than Catalonia) and we are not whining all the time for it. It's normal because there are regions with more economic activity than others, usually the regions with the biggest cities. That's the reason why we have to quit stepping on each other's development and start pushing forward together instead of pulling towards our own interests...
@tarlang85 You've nailed it. Guess why you are not whining for the budget contribution. Maybe because despite having less population than Catalonia, Madrid has far more infrastructures (motorways, subways, ...), centralizes international logistics and, don't forget, is the capital city of Spain.
@tarlang85 That's correct. The problema is while Madrid give 100 to the state, it receives 100 as payback in infrastructures and investments, while Catalonia is still receiving only 65 of that 100. Check numbers available in wikipedia.
@wmmvb Aaand anyways I think you're wrong because ever since a new law came out, catalonia manages with their own taxes... Politicians don't do well neither in the catalan government nor in the rest of spain. My point is that it's always worse to be separated in any case.
This just doesn't make any sense at all... Catalonia would not be what it is without being part of Spain. The greatest part of its GDP is a result of the commerce and exchange with the rest of the country. As an example of the nonsense of this video, just take the Autonomous Community of Madrid. It's a lot smaller than Catalonia and has almost the same population. Its GDP is greater than Catalonia's and so is its growth. This wouldn't be possible if Madrid wasn't part of Spain...
@tarlang85 Germany represents the 20% of the European GDP whereas Spain represents the 8%.Spain wouldn't be what it is if it did not belong to the EU.Does it mean Spain should belong to Germany and be submitted to Germany's internal economical policies?No.Spain and Germany are interdependent countries,but both are independent in many other aspects.Catalonia and Spain could help one each other without having to keep Catalonia as a part of Spain and under Spanish policies.
@wmmvb You're right, Spain would not probably be what it is without being part of the EU, I completely agree. That's why we should preserve the EU from dividing. Germany is part of the EU just as Catalonia is part of Spain, and we should preserve Spain from dividing as well. Thanks for following my reasoning, I see you understand it now. Just keep in mind that Catalonia is and has always been part of Spain, just as the other Autonomous Communities are.
@wmmvb And by always I mean ever since Spain was formed (15th century). There is no reason for catalonia to be independent... It has never been independent. The nationalism comes from the catalanism, a political movement from the mid 19th century, there are no historical, sociological or cultural reasons for it, it's mainly a movement created by politicians and for politicians. All the regions in Spain have their differences and yet their common customs, history and culture as well.
@tarlang85 You say nationalism comes from a political movement called catalanism born in the mid of 19th century. Well...Could you tell me what nation of Europe has not born from the will of politicians and/or kings? Spain did so in the 15th century.Is number 15 better than 19?I agree union is a good thing, but unification is not. EU is a union of nations; Spain is a unification of nations. Otherwise compare the ways the EU and Spain unions were achieved.
@wmmvb There is no reason for catalonia to be independent just like there's no reason for the other regions or autonomous communities either. We are all part of it. Spain without catalonia is not Spain...
ERC + SI + Rcat + Cup i d'altres lluitadors per la independència.
El èxit superaria totes les previsions, tots a una que a Madrid ningú te res a pelar en solitari, que vegin la nostre força d'una vegada i s’empassin el "son cuatro gatos"A mes com el Duran es un clar ANTIINDEPENDENCIA el electorat de Ciu pot fer confiança en massa a una opció integradora del ideari independentista.
@Dannyux94 Well, I would like people to not insult neither other people nor countries. I am a Catalan independentist and Spain sucks in some ways but it does not in others, like any other country in the world. All nations have good and bad things. Catalan independentists only want for Catalonia the same as Spain, France or Germany: freedom to be a nation. This does not mean setting boundaries around Catalonia, but to collaborate with other countries while keeping our cultural identity.
@wmmvb I am from Portugal and I hate Spain, they think that they are good or better then Portugal, but that's not true, and i would like to see Catalonia as an independentist country.
@Dannyux94 Indeed, in general Spaniards believe they are better than,not only Portugal, but also than many other countries.I have seen many Spaniards travelling around the world trying to be understood in Spanish as it were a universal language,but it is not.As I told you before, countries have "pros" and "cons", and this feeling of having the biggest balls in the world is one of the Spanish cons. Anyway, thank you for your support. We aim to achieve independence one day!
@Dannyux94 Really? Most of the Portuguese I met brag about that there language is more "Complex" then Spanish, That there empire was better and longer there ours and etc...
@wmmvb los catalanes jamas fuisteis nacion, como lo fue escocia y demas asi k no os compareis con ellos... hace 3 siglos erais los mas patriotas y ahora miraos, por k decis k tenis otra cultura si es igual k la de los demas españoles? solo decis incongruencias y ademas, mas de la mitad de vuestra poblacion es andaluza sin contar a los castellanos y demas españoles asi k menos boberias y vivid en paz con vuestros hermanos, k son todos los españoles anda
@wmmvb "Since it seems Nature has given to each Nation its own language, the art [of imposing Spanish] will take some time to be achieved,above all when the temper of the Nation of Catalans is persistent,proud and lover of all things of their Country.So it is worthy to take precaution and to give disguised instructions in order to achieve the goal without drawing the attention to it."-José Rodrigo de Villalpando-Attorney General of the Council of Castilla - 1715.
a badly put together video, many fact are wrong and there a spelling mistake allover it..... anyway i have lived in barcelona and love Catalonia but your never going to get your independence 1 spain wont allow it. 2 to leave spain would cost spain so much money so european union wont allow it and would not recognise the area as a country 3 many small area in spain that use the surplus of money that Barcelona brings in wouldn't be able to survive and beautiful areas around catalonia would be lost
@lordajm You can criticize the video's making of as much as you want. Actually I wonder in how many foreign languages are you able to express yourself without making some spelling mistakes...I can do it in 4, so far. Referring to the facts,I'm sorry to say they are right. Catalans know your arguments very well because they are the same the Spanish government gives, so it is not strange they had been propagated through international media becoming some sort of "standard" arguments. Cheers.
@lordajm Hello, as i am a Catalan independentism I accept that you have reason in one thing: Spain, france, and italy, wouldn't allow us to be independent. But tell me, how many countries have been independent without any war and without asking their dominating countries for independece, but just taking it?
Each year, Spain took the Catalans 22 000 million in taxes that go to Spain and NEVER return to Catalonia. That means a tax plundering of 3,000€ per person per year (12,000€ per family of four). With independence and recover this tax plundering of Catalonia can invest for better living and to overcome the crisis
Perque mentiu? Eixos son els arguments? Ah pos si que estem be xDDD
Catalonia is Spain from(more or less) the XV century,but in the year 1200 all the world says Spain to talk about the Iberian Peninsula..they said that Castilla,Aragon.. were the same country. If Spain exists for so many years,why are you saying that no? Catalonia has always been Spain and always will be!
@alexbenifaio When somebody says "Catalonia is not Spain" is for claiming the right of Catalonia to be an independent country,a right that is recognized in the Universal Declaration of Rights of Peoples (Section 2, Article 5). Asserting Catalonia will always be Spain is yet another typical Spanish empty statement against the viability of Catalonia's independence: it's just a matter of proud, the same proud that leads Spain to stay in conflict with UK for the sovereignty of Gibraltar.
@wmmvb By the way, Catalans were not opposed to build up Spain together with Castilla and other kingdoms before the XVIIIth century. Conflicts started when the king of Spain decided to anhilate languages different than Castillian, among them, Catalan. The same behavior toward Catalonia's culture was kept until the XXth century, which has progressively led Catalans to consider independence as a solution, not only to cultural issues, but also economical ones.
Qui faci catalanisme ha d´ésser catalanista i, encara més, català conseqüent. No diem català de naixement. Coneixem més d´un català no natiu que per la seva catalanitat sincerament adoptada fa caure la cara de vergonya a més d´un català de naixença. Viure a Catalunya, ésser pare de catalans i sentir-se català no és cap injúria a la pàtria d´origen. La injúria és, per part d´un foraster de venir ací com a invasor, i per part d´un natiu, de viure-hi com a català renegat (Josep Armengou)
Compartiu el vídeo que he penjat de la cançó original de K'naan. La lletra és preciosa. Tothom hauria de veure evident la majoria d'edat de Catalunya i la seva inevitable independència d'Espanya i França. Visca Catalunya Lliure!
@elpiratabucanero Lee un poquito más antes de decir nada, pq quedas un poquito mal. Lo único que no publico son comentarios insultantes, de un lado y del otro.
Uriel Bertran ha dit avui en roda de premsa que cal canviar la llei electoral per tal de que no es formin bipartidismes amb els partits grans tal com passa ara tant al estat espanyol (PSOE-PP) com a Catalunya (CiU-PSC). També ha parlat de la congelació en els pressupostos en infraestrucutres i remarca que amb l'estat propi ara podriem tripiclar les inversions en infraestructures. Ara comença una campanya divulgatoria per tal de fer arribar a la gent les avantatges de tenir estat propi.
La primera rèplica independentista del 10-J, el 9 de juliol a Barcelona
Vint entitats de l'òrbita independentista s'adhereixen a la convocatòria d'una manifestació el 9 de juliol a Barcelona sota el lema 'Pel nostre futur: independència'
why divide the nation apart? Why not have independent economic zones but still retain national status for defense purposes?? Lol I dunno im not Spanish but I generally dislike seeing nations collapse into smaller nations. Allocating resources just become a pain in the butt after that.
@arzgania Regarding to the economical issues, your idea is known as "Federal Spain". Many Catalans still believe this is possible,but the majority of Spaniards dislike this idea. On the other hand there are also cultural issues: Catalonia owns a different language than the rest of Spain which is being gradually eradicated by imposing Spanish.A federal Spain would also fix this problem by letting the inner states have their own language (as Switzerland does) but, again, this idea is rejected.
“El dia que Espanya boicotegi massivament Catalunya, la independència serà irreversible"
Els doctors en economia, Modest Guinjoan i Francesc Xavier Cuadras, han elaborat un exhaustiu treball d’economia aplicada. Sense Espanya (Ed. Pòrtic) estudia l’efecte d’un boicot a gran escala contra Catalunya en cas d’assolir la independència, o fins i tot proposar reformes a l’actual marc polític. Malgrat el risc evident, pronostiquen que l’economia catalana superaria la situació i en sortiria enfortida.
Tots els governs espanyols han sigut enemics nostres: durant segles i sense treva han intentat destruir la nostra llengua de diverses maneres, amb lleis, amb refinada repressió escolar, amb bombardejos..."
Si un vol ser respectar a de començar respectant als altres. Són molts anys de prohibicions lingüístiques i culturals. Espanya a volgut eliminar a la força les cultures diferents a la seva per fer-se gran de cara al món. Avui en dia ser espanyol és no ser res.
Catalunya va ser una possessió de l'imperi Romà que va passar a mans dels gots i els alans el segle V. Els musulmans la van conquerir el 712, però en van ser expulsats de la riba nord del Llobregat a finals del mateix segle i el començament del següent amb el suport de Carlemany.] Amb el temps, els comtes francs van convertir Catalunya en un domini independent
@llbbttppcc Translation: the region of Catalonia belonged to Roman Empire. Later it was conquered by Goths and Alans in the Vth century.Muslims conquered it in 712, but they were expelled from Llobregat river's north bank at the end of VIIIth century and at the beginning of the IXth with the aid of Charlemagne. After some time, frankish Counts turned Catalonia into an independent domain.
@breggotte Well, if so, it's great. At least it's better than what Spain is doing with Kosovo: the entire world recognizes it as an independent country but Spain doesn't. Why? Simply 'cause Spain is as it is.
I'm sure in the next decade, we'll see Catalonia become a country alongside with Québec and many other. Our nations should make some kind of international coalition in order to get our own country.
@try0003 French: "Il y a un petit chat" --> Catalan: "Hi ha un petit gat" hehe. Written French and Catalan are quite similar. However I think we could use English. This way other countries pursuing independence could join us (e.g: Scotland). Keep in contact with me if you want to create the group!
@wmmvb Yeah English may be a better choice. the rest of Canada here speak mostly English so I can't find many article that have a positive approach about Québec independence in English, so it may help our cause on a more international scale.
By comparing our situation its funny yo see how our "federal state" use the same non-sense argument to convince people to not make our own independent country.
Down with Independents! This is coming from a Spanish Loyalist from Catalan! Yo Soporto la Republica Española, Tenemos que Quitar el Rey! Viva la Republica de España!
@LegionArgentea Reality, rather than demagogy. Either Spain turns to be a federation of countries or it will be broken up. There's no place for military actions towards self-determination processes because Spain, as a European country, cannot attack europeans whatever the reason is. The day Catalans become ready, the day Catalans will got independence. It's just a matter of time.
es cuestión de tiempo por supuesto, el adoctrinamiento de unos políticos corruptos contra su propia región hará que las generaciones venideras sean mas y mas separatistas, mucho odio y fanatismo os corroe separatistas, pero mientras haya españoles dispuestos a defender la unidad nacional Cataluña seguirá siendo una región española
por cierto ahórrate el inglés, no vayas de políglota cuando no eres mas que un siervo de la tribu
Starting with the idea that, country starts with sovereignty (i think)
some catalonians claims something that it never had :/
Anyway if i were catalonian probably i would want to be indepedent too. i understand them.
but your life isn't gonna change too much with, or w/o independence, so take it easy, there are more important things to worry about.
peace.
lyskiddie 2 days ago
I'm catalan and I feel me spanish too. This videos are made only by the people who wants Catalonia out from Spain. Most of the people don't feel bad about Spain here
japanmania 2 days ago
@japanmania This video does not tell lies. One thing is what you feel (which I fully respect) and another is how the things really are. And your statement "most of the people" is simply subjective. I can also say that today there are more Catalans wanting independence than Catalans that do not.
wmmvb 1 day ago
Vaig veure un Perpinyà i la independència de Catalunya no ens interessa. ens sentim francès. no català. Viu la France!
hac76400 4 days ago
Perfecte. Jo conec francesos de Perpinyà que se senten catalans.
wmmvb 1 day ago
yay we want Catalonia and Quebec free
anyalify 5 days ago
CATALONIA FREEDOM
XOGJF 5 days ago
Please, Catalan Countries! Not only catalonia!
xisco95 1 week ago
@xisco95 Es PPCC no existexen.
glolobo 6 days ago
Oh and mostly everything that says the suposed teacher of history is not true.
Another thing Why has not the video subtitles in engnlish even even if the half of the world speaks spanish? Havent an spanish person anything to say about this????
Rodrigusificacionn 1 week ago
Im Spanish, from the south, and in my opinion, these aren't the arguments, that at least, people support. I know that Cataluña makes money and the other parts of Spain, i mean goverment, do not recognise it. But from my point of view, that independentism feeling is not growing, i think it is shrinking.
wilsonman17 1 week ago
@wilsonman17 I'm sorry but your last statement is simply wrong.
wmmvb 1 week ago
Catalonia owes over 50,000,000 Euros in debt. They would never be able to pay for that on their and maintain a stable economy. This IS fiction. And Science Fiction is a genre used in literature for things like STAR WARS and other impossible things in the FUTURE, you're discussing things in the PRESENT.
MontChevalier 1 week ago
@MontChevalier Catalonia's GDP in 2009 was 204.000 million euros, 4 times greater than its debt. On the other hand Catalonia's deficit with respect to Spain is about 20.000 million euros per year, so let's say things clear: Catalonia could return its debt without problems if Spain didn't cause this deficit.
wmmvb 1 week ago
@wmmvb Wrong. It's GDP is 50.000 Euros, 4 times lower than its debt. It's only gotten where it has due to EU aid. Catalonia would end up leaving the EU if it becomes independent from Spain.
MontChevalier 1 week ago
@MontChevalier Dude, 50.000€ is what a medium engineer earns in a year... Check the Spanish National Institute of Statistics before saying nonsense (ine . es)
wmmvb 1 week ago
@wmmvb Maybe you should check them again. Catalonia leaving would be catastrophic for both Spain and Catalonia.
MontChevalier 1 week ago
@MontChevalier I did. Did you? Visit the web ine.es .You'll find public data on there. By the way, I don't know how catastrophic would be for Catalonia to leave Spain, but what I know for sure is how catastrophic is for Catalonia today to belong to Spain.
wmmvb 1 week ago
@wmmvb That's funny! So, you use the INE to get your figures from? For Catalonia? Funny man :-)
dylanrico 1 week ago
Comparing Catalan to Mandinga
The chairman of the Spanish Supreme Judicial Council, Carlos Dívar, compared Catalan language to Mandinga. Catalan congressman Joan Tardà denounced on Twitter that Dívar, referring to linguistic rights in the Justice Committee Congress, said that he is “sensitive to languages. I once asked for an interpreter because of a person who spoke Mandinga.”
helpcatalonia blogspot
lneutres 2 weeks ago
And I wonder? If the Catalan language has never had its own language, history or traditions, why since 1714 with the “Decreto de Nueva Planta” created by a Bourbon, until today, with another Bourbon and through appalling dictatorships, has always Spain need pumps or laws to fight against it?
cursp40 2 weeks ago
Atlanteans(Basques) settled greece,egypt, rome etc n schooled the backward natives of those places...look at bankrupt greece today lol such a "civilized" people hm? n the noisy n mongrelized romans(latinos enough said lol) are hated by humanity for killing Jesus(also an atlantean btw) and these disgustin creatures mentioned above concealed the atlanteans schooled their clueless asses...very grateful people hm? lol damn impostors.The catalans are blood brothers of the basques.
MiamiDolphinsClyde10 2 weeks ago
So, I have to ask. What about Catalogne? It is French Catalunya. Why are the Spanish catalans abandoning them? It will be like Canada where the Quebec ois have abandoned the other French Canadians. A catalan nation should include ALL parts of catalonia.
MrJimmeeJazz 2 weeks ago
@MrJimmeeJazz I agree. Unfortunately French catalans should claim for their independence too for eventually building up a complete catalan country.
wmmvb 2 weeks ago
@wmmvb Yes. I think the French may have been more destructive of catalan culture that the Castillians. If the Catalans do not leave France when their fellow Catalans leave Spain, they never will. You will notice that I say "when' not 'if' the Spanish Catalans leave.
MrJimmeeJazz 2 weeks ago
More people speak Catalan than Danish, Swedish, and Finnish! In addition....Catalan products are GROWING! Catalonia has its own website domains, and it's only recognized business language! Businesses in UK who started Catalan branches saw up to a 20% increase in business! Catalan is the future for businesses! Spanish boycotts would not cause long term issues. The last 50 years has seen an INCREASE in the trend of more countries than the 50 years before. NOT a decrease. The way of the future!
Dreadlord67 1 month ago
free catalonia,free ireland
shskazulufromcork 1 month ago
¡¡absolutly fantastic!!,that's a great video to use to explain what is Catalonia and how powerful we would be if we were an independent Country to the rest of the world.¡¡congratulations!!.
jcote31 1 month ago
Vaya cantidad de mentiras y tonterias que dicen...ademas lo ponen en ingles para que se entere el mundo entero de las barbaridades que meten los politicos al pueblo para seguir comiendo de ellos...Cataluña sin España no es nada y viceversa, por que no se entiende una sin otra...
Galibo86 1 month ago
FREE CATALONIA!
forcadelta5 1 month ago
Catalunya Lliure!! Catalunha Livre!! Portugal também teve de lutar bastante para ser um país. Irmãos Catalães um dia conseguirão!! Força!!
rkhxaral 1 month ago
freedom for catalan countries!!!
mallorcaisnotspain 1 month ago
@mallorcaisnotspain yo soy mallorquin y soy español, viva españa maketo
25cmjorge 4 weeks ago
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carmeconca 1 month ago
@wmmbv And tell me, why is Catalonia as it is? Although you can't recognize it, Franco invested a lot in industrializing Catalonia and the Basque country, while in other communities such as Andalusia just built swamps. And you didn't complained when Catalonia was the region of Spain that recieved more money from the Spanish estate. Catalonia is well thanks to Spain, not forget it.
Pablogj444 1 month ago
@Pablogj444 Yeah, and Hitler invested in many countries for his own aim. Franco was a motherfucker that "invested" in Catalonia for bringing to there people from Spain with the goal of anhilating the Catalan's language and identity. The immigration from Spain was so big that there appeared microtowns and guettos in Catalonia where people had no idea of saying a word in Catalan.
wmmvb 1 month ago
Sorry, but Catalonia will never be independent... GUTTED
joeshmo000 1 month ago
ESPANYA ENS ROBA
CatalanProcess 1 month ago
@rmj15mu y dont u get ur country to declare a war on them that will do ot
felix88ful 1 month ago
what else do u whant u hve freedoome what the spanish tell u o you cant do that because ur a part of spain get over it i dont see valencia and the islands bitching avout ot
felix88ful 1 month ago
If Montenegro can be an independent nation, then so can Catalonia. And if the majority of Catalans want a Catalan republic, then they should have it. Simple as that.
Veovis523 1 month ago
CATALONIA IS NOT SPAIN ! ! * ! !
Marc Sabatés
sammiguier 2 months ago
JO SOC CATALA , NO ESPANYOL ! ! * ! !
Marc Sabatés
sammiguier 2 months ago
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unandorra 2 months ago
1:42, you are saying that Spain doesn’t have peotroleum? Then how do they have gasoline?
ArmadaRanger 2 months ago
@ArmadaRanger Well, they have gasoline in the same way other countries without petroleum reserves do: buying it to other countries!
wmmvb 1 month ago
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elenaviscosa 2 months ago
La oligofrénica actitud nacionalista catalana ha sumido a Cataluña en un gueto pobre, marginal, vacío, insustancial, una aljama carente de futuro, de esperanza y atrapada dentro de límites alienantes y frustrantes que le han impuesto a su pueblo.Catalunya está arrodillada,sumida en el desaliento, suplicando un préstamo al gobierno central para pagar sueldos a empleados públicos.¿Cual ha sido el resultado de tanta prepotencia lingüistica y sectarismo? Pobreza, desesperanza, angustia y realidad
donclaro1 2 months ago
There is only one reason for Catalunya to stay in Spain: there would be no more el Classico derbies and regular rogering of Real Madrid if Catalunya is independent :D
soopie1 2 months ago
Of course the Spanish Government do not want Catalonia to become independant, the main reason being about the route of all evil, money! Barcelona has a massive manufacturing output, exporting many products abroad, without this Spain would suffer a big loss in their income, they will never let go, but should let the Catalan people be independant once and for all.
bobbyjoe12s 2 months ago
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
iucamsa 3 months ago
Not only Catalonia has its own personlity and language and are an unique case into Spain. Many other nations without state exist: Asturies, Euskadi,Occitania(part of it is Era Val d'Aran, oficiality into Catalonia),.....
hipsterskelter 3 months ago
I'm catalan and independist and i am disagree with this video, the reason for i and so much catalans want to be free is that I feel catalan, no the economy.
tps6slash 3 months ago
@tps6slash Well, this video also emphasizes the fact that Catalans are a People with its own identity and culture. Economy is just the straw that breaks the camel's back ;-)
wmmvb 3 months ago
@wmmvb every community in Spain has different people with theyr own identity and culture also, but some catalans like to think that they are special than the rest
EfluvioAragon 1 month ago
@EfluvioAragon Sure there are, but being independentist does not mean thinking that one is better than others. The problem is that Spanish unity is not a free decision but an obligation. Whereas UK approves (although doesn't agree with) an eventual Scottish independence, Spain is far for accepting such thing for any of its communities.
wmmvb 1 month ago
There's a big mistake in this video. Catalonia is much more than four provinces. What about the Valencian Country? What about the Rossillon? What about the Balearic islands? What about la Franja de Ponent? Enough "blaverism"! I'm from Ibiza and I'm as Catalan as you. At least!
vturiserra 3 months ago
@vturiserra It's true that all the regions you mentioned are known as the Catalan Countries but the term "Catalonia" refers to the current region. Rossillon was Catalonia indeed, but unfortunately the motherfucker Bourbon king Philip V of Spain gave it to France to achieve peace. Don't be wrong: I would also like a unified independent Catalan countries, but unfortunately it does not only depend on Catalan's decision but also on Valencians and Balearic people's decision!
wmmvb 3 months ago 3
@vturiserra yo soy valenciano y aquí la mayoría estamos en contra dels PPCC y demás chorradas
mirallnadal 2 months ago
@vturiserra must be cool to live in ibiza..
stickeyontheendtype 1 month ago
@vturiserra i agree with you, and i am a catalan from catalonia. the difference is we don't vote for PP retards like Bauza. I know that probably wasn't you, but still.
tlockf 1 month ago
Pel nostre futur: INDEPENDÈNCIA!
riusnat 3 months ago
Spain won't be Spain without Catalonia.
jediguardian1 3 months ago
Hasta los huevos de que nos digan que coño tenemos que sentir y pensar... Esta España no es nuestra, es de la monarquía, los ricos, aristócratas y los que dejaron con todo bien atado... La españa invertebrada debe vertebrarse a través de ejercer la libre ciudadanía responsable... Y menos cuentos chinos de espíritus nacionales. Españolistas o secesionistas
alfreidx 3 months ago
Poor Catalonia the last colony of Europe
Spain!!!!
Let us be free !!!
dududulin 3 months ago in playlist Más vídeos de wmmvb
Very intressting, I'm going to be honest (possibly get a lot of hate for it). First, yes Catalonia would function fine as a independent country, but I ask why instead of how? I it for the sake of freedom? There is nothing that says it would be impossible to be a free man or woman in Spain (is there?) Or is it possible it is the fear of loosing you cultural identity? A cultural identity will exist for as long the people of that culture wants to have it, after all, all cultures change in time.
ChrisNikopol 3 months ago
Dear ChrisNikopol, I strongly disagree with your opinion. You must take into account that the media and laws influence mostly people's will, and can very well modify identity and culture within one region. In the case of Catalonian environment, as long as Catalonia is a part of Spain law and the media will be absolutely controlled by Spain, thus controlling people
filldeputa691987 2 months ago
im catalan and i live in switzerland LOL
littlediamond123 4 months ago
Catalonia has never been, by heart, spanish.
montserrat1714 4 months ago
Catalans have never been by heart spaniards.
MAKE NO MISTAKE
CATALONIA IS NOT SPAIN
siemdius 4 months ago
Generalitat de Catalunya's government Catalonia is not an example of good performance within the autonomical governments in Spain. It's one of the regions with the highest debt and has huge problems financing education and the health system. I think that proofs that the independence would not make any good to Catalonia, and neither would it to the rest of the country.
tarlang85 4 months ago
@tarlang8 Provided that Catalonia does not manage its own taxes, your statement is simply empty. Catalonia's debt could be payed with only 1 year of the taxes Spain takes from Catalonia.
wmmvb 4 months ago
@wmmvb Madrid is the autonomous community that contributes the most to the spanish budget (with less population than Catalonia) and we are not whining all the time for it. It's normal because there are regions with more economic activity than others, usually the regions with the biggest cities. That's the reason why we have to quit stepping on each other's development and start pushing forward together instead of pulling towards our own interests...
tarlang85 4 months ago
@tarlang85 You've nailed it. Guess why you are not whining for the budget contribution. Maybe because despite having less population than Catalonia, Madrid has far more infrastructures (motorways, subways, ...), centralizes international logistics and, don't forget, is the capital city of Spain.
wmmvb 4 months ago
@tarlang85 That's correct. The problema is while Madrid give 100 to the state, it receives 100 as payback in infrastructures and investments, while Catalonia is still receiving only 65 of that 100. Check numbers available in wikipedia.
mikaku 3 months ago
@wmmvb Aaand anyways I think you're wrong because ever since a new law came out, catalonia manages with their own taxes... Politicians don't do well neither in the catalan government nor in the rest of spain. My point is that it's always worse to be separated in any case.
tarlang85 4 months ago
@tarlang85 Independent does not mean separated. Germany and Spain are independent, but are they separated? I don't think so.
wmmvb 4 months ago
This just doesn't make any sense at all... Catalonia would not be what it is without being part of Spain. The greatest part of its GDP is a result of the commerce and exchange with the rest of the country. As an example of the nonsense of this video, just take the Autonomous Community of Madrid. It's a lot smaller than Catalonia and has almost the same population. Its GDP is greater than Catalonia's and so is its growth. This wouldn't be possible if Madrid wasn't part of Spain...
tarlang85 4 months ago
@tarlang85 Germany represents the 20% of the European GDP whereas Spain represents the 8%.Spain wouldn't be what it is if it did not belong to the EU.Does it mean Spain should belong to Germany and be submitted to Germany's internal economical policies?No.Spain and Germany are interdependent countries,but both are independent in many other aspects.Catalonia and Spain could help one each other without having to keep Catalonia as a part of Spain and under Spanish policies.
wmmvb 4 months ago
@wmmvb You're right, Spain would not probably be what it is without being part of the EU, I completely agree. That's why we should preserve the EU from dividing. Germany is part of the EU just as Catalonia is part of Spain, and we should preserve Spain from dividing as well. Thanks for following my reasoning, I see you understand it now. Just keep in mind that Catalonia is and has always been part of Spain, just as the other Autonomous Communities are.
tarlang85 4 months ago
@wmmvb And by always I mean ever since Spain was formed (15th century). There is no reason for catalonia to be independent... It has never been independent. The nationalism comes from the catalanism, a political movement from the mid 19th century, there are no historical, sociological or cultural reasons for it, it's mainly a movement created by politicians and for politicians. All the regions in Spain have their differences and yet their common customs, history and culture as well.
tarlang85 4 months ago
@tarlang85 You say nationalism comes from a political movement called catalanism born in the mid of 19th century. Well...Could you tell me what nation of Europe has not born from the will of politicians and/or kings? Spain did so in the 15th century.Is number 15 better than 19?I agree union is a good thing, but unification is not. EU is a union of nations; Spain is a unification of nations. Otherwise compare the ways the EU and Spain unions were achieved.
wmmvb 4 months ago
@wmmvb There is no reason for catalonia to be independent just like there's no reason for the other regions or autonomous communities either. We are all part of it. Spain without catalonia is not Spain...
tarlang85 4 months ago
"Quan un home -o una dona- és capaç de morir pel seu poble, és que aquest existeix" #PresidentCompanys"
mansostre 4 months ago
freedom for the people of catalonia from ireland
irishmckiddo 4 months ago
MAI HEM ESTAT NI SIGUT ESPANYOLS.
A la força no es guanyen voluntats.
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s6ant 4 months ago
ERC + SI + Rcat + Cup i d'altres lluitadors per la independència.
El èxit superaria totes les previsions, tots a una que a Madrid ningú te res a pelar en solitari, que vegin la nostre força d'una vegada i s’empassin el "son cuatro gatos"A mes com el Duran es un clar ANTIINDEPENDENCIA el electorat de Ciu pot fer confiança en massa a una opció integradora del ideari independentista.
Ja falta menys l'estat Català al 2014
IamCatalan1972 5 months ago
Signeu per blinder per Llei que el català sigui l'única llengua vehicular a Catalunya. l'ensenyament
Escola en català
escolaencatala.cat
s6ant 5 months ago
TSJC = Tribunal Superior de la Jodienda al Català. -> Insubmissió a les aules!!!
creualtasabadell 5 months ago
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creualtasabadell 6 months ago
Thank you, if it wasn't for your revolt in 1640, Portugal would never have is independece.
HenrySims 6 months ago
I am an American, I support Catalunya's independence!
rmj15mu 6 months ago 17
@rmj15mu americans,i would like to see how you would feel if suddenly hawaii and california decided to become independent
hyuhyuuyh 3 months ago
@hyuhyuuyh I'd say that if that's what the people of Hawaii or California want, then they have every right to be independent.
Are you suggesting that Spain should force Catalonia to remain part of Spain, even if it clearly wants out?
DerekZing 2 months ago
@rmj15mu Thank you! ;)
catalunyacomtatgran 1 month ago
Spain suck's
Dannyux94 6 months ago
@Dannyux94 Well, I would like people to not insult neither other people nor countries. I am a Catalan independentist and Spain sucks in some ways but it does not in others, like any other country in the world. All nations have good and bad things. Catalan independentists only want for Catalonia the same as Spain, France or Germany: freedom to be a nation. This does not mean setting boundaries around Catalonia, but to collaborate with other countries while keeping our cultural identity.
wmmvb 6 months ago 9
@wmmvb I am from Portugal and I hate Spain, they think that they are good or better then Portugal, but that's not true, and i would like to see Catalonia as an independentist country.
Dannyux94 6 months ago
@Dannyux94 Indeed, in general Spaniards believe they are better than,not only Portugal, but also than many other countries.I have seen many Spaniards travelling around the world trying to be understood in Spanish as it were a universal language,but it is not.As I told you before, countries have "pros" and "cons", and this feeling of having the biggest balls in the world is one of the Spanish cons. Anyway, thank you for your support. We aim to achieve independence one day!
wmmvb 6 months ago
@Dannyux94 Really? Most of the Portuguese I met brag about that there language is more "Complex" then Spanish, That there empire was better and longer there ours and etc...
jediguardian1 5 months ago
@wmmvb los catalanes jamas fuisteis nacion, como lo fue escocia y demas asi k no os compareis con ellos... hace 3 siglos erais los mas patriotas y ahora miraos, por k decis k tenis otra cultura si es igual k la de los demas españoles? solo decis incongruencias y ademas, mas de la mitad de vuestra poblacion es andaluza sin contar a los castellanos y demas españoles asi k menos boberias y vivid en paz con vuestros hermanos, k son todos los españoles anda
25cmjorge 4 weeks ago
@25cmjorge Even Spanish historical sources also refer to Catalonia as a nation:
wmmvb 4 weeks ago
@wmmvb "Since it seems Nature has given to each Nation its own language, the art [of imposing Spanish] will take some time to be achieved,above all when the temper of the Nation of Catalans is persistent,proud and lover of all things of their Country.So it is worthy to take precaution and to give disguised instructions in order to achieve the goal without drawing the attention to it."-José Rodrigo de Villalpando-Attorney General of the Council of Castilla - 1715.
wmmvb 4 weeks ago
@25cmjorge Cataluña es una nación sin estado, como lo son los armenios o los vascos.
FabriccioDacqua 2 weeks ago
Els pobles “exclosos” de la constitució s'uniran en una associació a la tardor
Més d'un 12% dels ajuntaments del Principat s'han declarat “moralment exclosos”
Vint municipis fundaran una entitat per a la independència
elpuntavui.cat
lneutres 6 months ago
Catalonia is Catalonia, but is not hate to Spain
I love Catalonia, I'm Catalan, but I love also the culture of Spain
VikingFront91 6 months ago
Read today; Help Catalonia:
Fog and Clouds at the San Francisco Spanish Consul... Thanks for sharing #helpcatalonia
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cosesdecasa 6 months ago
Freedom for Catalonia! Amunt! :-)
AmuntCatalans 6 months ago
a badly put together video, many fact are wrong and there a spelling mistake allover it..... anyway i have lived in barcelona and love Catalonia but your never going to get your independence 1 spain wont allow it. 2 to leave spain would cost spain so much money so european union wont allow it and would not recognise the area as a country 3 many small area in spain that use the surplus of money that Barcelona brings in wouldn't be able to survive and beautiful areas around catalonia would be lost
lordajm 6 months ago
@lordajm You can criticize the video's making of as much as you want. Actually I wonder in how many foreign languages are you able to express yourself without making some spelling mistakes...I can do it in 4, so far. Referring to the facts,I'm sorry to say they are right. Catalans know your arguments very well because they are the same the Spanish government gives, so it is not strange they had been propagated through international media becoming some sort of "standard" arguments. Cheers.
wmmvb 6 months ago
@lordajm Hello, as i am a Catalan independentism I accept that you have reason in one thing: Spain, france, and italy, wouldn't allow us to be independent. But tell me, how many countries have been independent without any war and without asking their dominating countries for independece, but just taking it?
breizhcatalonia1993 6 months ago
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nyoramed 7 months ago
Each year, Spain took the Catalans 22 000 million in taxes that go to Spain and NEVER return to Catalonia. That means a tax plundering of 3,000€ per person per year (12,000€ per family of four). With independence and recover this tax plundering of Catalonia can invest for better living and to overcome the crisis
lneutres 7 months ago
Perque mentiu? Eixos son els arguments? Ah pos si que estem be xDDD
Catalonia is Spain from(more or less) the XV century,but in the year 1200 all the world says Spain to talk about the Iberian Peninsula..they said that Castilla,Aragon.. were the same country. If Spain exists for so many years,why are you saying that no? Catalonia has always been Spain and always will be!
alexbenifaio 7 months ago
@alexbenifaio When somebody says "Catalonia is not Spain" is for claiming the right of Catalonia to be an independent country,a right that is recognized in the Universal Declaration of Rights of Peoples (Section 2, Article 5). Asserting Catalonia will always be Spain is yet another typical Spanish empty statement against the viability of Catalonia's independence: it's just a matter of proud, the same proud that leads Spain to stay in conflict with UK for the sovereignty of Gibraltar.
wmmvb 7 months ago
@wmmvb By the way, Catalans were not opposed to build up Spain together with Castilla and other kingdoms before the XVIIIth century. Conflicts started when the king of Spain decided to anhilate languages different than Castillian, among them, Catalan. The same behavior toward Catalonia's culture was kept until the XXth century, which has progressively led Catalans to consider independence as a solution, not only to cultural issues, but also economical ones.
wmmvb 7 months ago
I like the Catalonian people and hope you get your rights and freedom and have an independent state
best wishes from the state of Qatar.
TheAbdullaQTR 7 months ago 2
@TheAbdullaQTR Thank you very much for your support.
wmmvb 7 months ago
INDEPENDENCE FOR -
Catalonia
Scotland
Tibet
Palestine
Quebec
glasgow1234 7 months ago
@glasgow1234 and Occitània
jordi19957 7 months ago
@glasgow1234 There's a massive difference between Scotland and the rest of those "nations"..
MrNapoleanDynamite1 7 months ago
I despise all who oppose a nations rights to freedom, every nation should have the rights to govern themselves, you cannot argue that.
segano1 7 months ago
Qui faci catalanisme ha d´ésser catalanista i, encara més, català conseqüent. No diem català de naixement. Coneixem més d´un català no natiu que per la seva catalanitat sincerament adoptada fa caure la cara de vergonya a més d´un català de naixença. Viure a Catalunya, ésser pare de catalans i sentir-se català no és cap injúria a la pàtria d´origen. La injúria és, per part d´un foraster de venir ací com a invasor, i per part d´un natiu, de viure-hi com a català renegat (Josep Armengou)
icsseny 7 months ago
Compartiu el vídeo que he penjat de la cançó original de K'naan. La lletra és preciosa. Tothom hauria de veure evident la majoria d'edat de Catalunya i la seva inevitable independència d'Espanya i França. Visca Catalunya Lliure!
Freedom4Catalans 7 months ago
Pel nostre futur: INDEPENDÈNCIA!
Dissabte #9juliol manifestació independentista Barcelona
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
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santasantacat 8 months ago
jaja los comentarios negativos a catalonia no los publican
elpiratabucanero 8 months ago
@elpiratabucanero Lee un poquito más antes de decir nada, pq quedas un poquito mal. Lo único que no publico son comentarios insultantes, de un lado y del otro.
wmmvb 8 months ago
Uriel Bertran ha dit avui en roda de premsa que cal canviar la llei electoral per tal de que no es formin bipartidismes amb els partits grans tal com passa ara tant al estat espanyol (PSOE-PP) com a Catalunya (CiU-PSC). També ha parlat de la congelació en els pressupostos en infraestrucutres i remarca que amb l'estat propi ara podriem tripiclar les inversions en infraestructures. Ara comença una campanya divulgatoria per tal de fer arribar a la gent les avantatges de tenir estat propi.
IamCatalan1972 8 months ago
No soc Catalá, jo soc American, peró estic aprenent a parlar l'idioma. El Catalá és un idioma bonic. Molta sort en el futur, adeu!
MMAmachinhead92 8 months ago 2
@MMAmachinhead92 Gràcies pel teu suport!
wmmvb 8 months ago
La primera rèplica independentista del 10-J, el 9 de juliol a Barcelona
Vint entitats de l'òrbita independentista s'adhereixen a la convocatòria d'una manifestació el 9 de juliol a Barcelona sota el lema 'Pel nostre futur: independència'
ara.cat
unandorra 8 months ago
Ja podeu anar esborrant que això ja no ho atura ningú
'Brams', 'Lluís Oliva i les Arbequines' i 'Catarsi' actuaran el #9juliol i posaran punt i final a la manifestació
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE!
catalaue 8 months ago
WE CAN BE A COUNTRY!!! WE NEED THE SUPORT OF EUROPE AND THE CATALAN PEOPLE!!
INDEPENDENCE FOR CATALONIA, WE AREN'T SPAIN!!
VISCA CATALUNYA TERRA LLIURE !!!
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arnausky 8 months ago
El parlament de Catalunya és el més antic del món
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La nació catalana té més de mil anys
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La bandera espanyola no té ni 300 anys de vigència molt menys que la catalana
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L'estat espanyol només ens vol pels nostres impostos la resta ho menysprea
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Per això volem la INDEPENDÈNCIA!
creualtasabadell 8 months ago
@creualtasabadell .¿pero que flautas te han contao en la escuela?
elpiratabucanero 8 months ago
Manifestació 9j Barcelona
manifestacio9juliol.blogspot.com
Twitter #9juliol
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
catalaue 8 months ago
Catalonia fight for FREEDOM!
The only way to recover our rights is INDEPENDENCE!
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE!
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catalaue 8 months ago
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
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lneutres 8 months ago
why divide the nation apart? Why not have independent economic zones but still retain national status for defense purposes?? Lol I dunno im not Spanish but I generally dislike seeing nations collapse into smaller nations. Allocating resources just become a pain in the butt after that.
arzgania 8 months ago
@arzgania Regarding to the economical issues, your idea is known as "Federal Spain". Many Catalans still believe this is possible,but the majority of Spaniards dislike this idea. On the other hand there are also cultural issues: Catalonia owns a different language than the rest of Spain which is being gradually eradicated by imposing Spanish.A federal Spain would also fix this problem by letting the inner states have their own language (as Switzerland does) but, again, this idea is rejected.
wmmvb 8 months ago
SPAIN'S SECRET CONFLICT
watch?v=fZijN8EijuI&feature=mh_lolz&list=FLEhj405JXStA
Catalonia & The Basque Country
FREEDOM
Unsomnilallibertat 8 months ago
Hong Kong is in such a painful condition too =(
magician226 8 months ago
“El dia que Espanya boicotegi massivament Catalunya, la independència serà irreversible"
Els doctors en economia, Modest Guinjoan i Francesc Xavier Cuadras, han elaborat un exhaustiu treball d’economia aplicada. Sense Espanya (Ed. Pòrtic) estudia l’efecte d’un boicot a gran escala contra Catalunya en cas d’assolir la independència, o fins i tot proposar reformes a l’actual marc polític. Malgrat el risc evident, pronostiquen que l’economia catalana superaria la situació i en sortiria enfortida.
siemdius 8 months ago
Tots els governs espanyols han sigut enemics nostres: durant segles i sense treva han intentat destruir la nostra llengua de diverses maneres, amb lleis, amb refinada repressió escolar, amb bombardejos..."
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
lneutres 8 months ago
Si un vol ser respectar a de començar respectant als altres. Són molts anys de prohibicions lingüístiques i culturals. Espanya a volgut eliminar a la força les cultures diferents a la seva per fer-se gran de cara al món. Avui en dia ser espanyol és no ser res.
elenaviscosa 8 months ago
Manifestació per la independència 9 de juliol a Barcelona
Som-hi catalans!
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socvatualolla 8 months ago
Catalunya va ser una possessió de l'imperi Romà que va passar a mans dels gots i els alans el segle V. Els musulmans la van conquerir el 712, però en van ser expulsats de la riba nord del Llobregat a finals del mateix segle i el començament del següent amb el suport de Carlemany.] Amb el temps, els comtes francs van convertir Catalunya en un domini independent
viquipèdia
llbbttppcc 8 months ago
@llbbttppcc Translation: the region of Catalonia belonged to Roman Empire. Later it was conquered by Goths and Alans in the Vth century.Muslims conquered it in 712, but they were expelled from Llobregat river's north bank at the end of VIIIth century and at the beginning of the IXth with the aid of Charlemagne. After some time, frankish Counts turned Catalonia into an independent domain.
wmmvb 8 months ago
SPAIN'S SECRET CONFLICT
Documentary about the struggle of the state of Catalonia within Spain.
vimeo com/24052492
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
catalaue 9 months ago 9
Per mi i per molts catalans #catalanrevolution #acampadabcn és l'única línea a seguir.
Manifestació independentista 9 de juliol a Barcelona. Que el món sencer ens torni a sentir
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE!
mansostre 9 months ago
SPAIN'S SECRET CONFLICT
vimeo com/24052492
Documentary about the struggle of the state of Catalonia within Spain.
catarreu 9 months ago
The people of Somalia and Sudan support the independence of Catalonia.
breggotte 9 months ago
@breggotte Well, if so, it's great. At least it's better than what Spain is doing with Kosovo: the entire world recognizes it as an independent country but Spain doesn't. Why? Simply 'cause Spain is as it is.
wmmvb 9 months ago
Freedom for Catalonia!
Catalonia is not Spain!
Visca Catalunya Lliure!
socvatualolla 9 months ago
I'm sure in the next decade, we'll see Catalonia become a country alongside with Québec and many other. Our nations should make some kind of international coalition in order to get our own country.
Long live to a free Catalonia !
Vive le Québec libre !
try0003 9 months ago
@try0003 Hey! That's a fantastic idea! Create a Facebook profile and I will not only join it, but also promote it!
wmmvb 9 months ago
@wmmvb The only problem I see is what language should we use for a group like this.If we use both Catalan and French, it may become a bit confusing.
try0003 9 months ago
@try0003 French: "Il y a un petit chat" --> Catalan: "Hi ha un petit gat" hehe. Written French and Catalan are quite similar. However I think we could use English. This way other countries pursuing independence could join us (e.g: Scotland). Keep in contact with me if you want to create the group!
wmmvb 9 months ago
@wmmvb Yeah English may be a better choice. the rest of Canada here speak mostly English so I can't find many article that have a positive approach about Québec independence in English, so it may help our cause on a more international scale.
I'll work on that.
try0003 9 months ago
@try0003 Good! I can also find video documentaries, articles and other stuff about Catalonia's independence. Hope from hearing from you soon!
wmmvb 9 months ago
@wmmvb
I would be great.
By comparing our situation its funny yo see how our "federal state" use the same non-sense argument to convince people to not make our own independent country.
try0003 9 months ago
Down with Independents! This is coming from a Spanish Loyalist from Catalan! Yo Soporto la Republica Española, Tenemos que Quitar el Rey! Viva la Republica de España!
jediguardian1 9 months ago
MANIFESTACIÓ INDEPENDENTISTA 9 JULIOL 2011 BARCELONA
II*II VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE!
esmassacat 9 months ago
Aquests espanyols porten 300 anys intentant fer-nos creure que som espanyols. I encara ens ho han de recordar cada dia!
Adéu espanya.
II*II
llbbttppcc 9 months ago
MANIFESTACIÓ INDEPENDENTISTA 9 JULIOL 2011 BARCELONA
II*II VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE!
esmassacat 9 months ago
DEMAGOGIA AL CUBO, QUE DIGO AL CUBO ELEVADO A LA MÁXIMA POTENCIA
LegionArgentea 9 months ago
@LegionArgentea Reality, rather than demagogy. Either Spain turns to be a federation of countries or it will be broken up. There's no place for military actions towards self-determination processes because Spain, as a European country, cannot attack europeans whatever the reason is. The day Catalans become ready, the day Catalans will got independence. It's just a matter of time.
wmmvb 9 months ago
@wmmvb
es cuestión de tiempo por supuesto, el adoctrinamiento de unos políticos corruptos contra su propia región hará que las generaciones venideras sean mas y mas separatistas, mucho odio y fanatismo os corroe separatistas, pero mientras haya españoles dispuestos a defender la unidad nacional Cataluña seguirá siendo una región española
por cierto ahórrate el inglés, no vayas de políglota cuando no eres mas que un siervo de la tribu
LegionArgentea 9 months ago