I am an atheist, but I hope I am also a compassionate person.
It hurts me that someone so obviously sincere is prepared to go public and completely destroy his intellectual credibility by making a video that blatently demonstrates his total lack of knowledge of the subject he is condemning.
I'm sorry, but my 11yr old granddaughter has a greater understanding of facts of Evolution and Natural Selection than you do.
I recommend you read "The greatest show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins.
I'm afraid i was unable to get through to the part where you explained why darwin was wrong and why man is not related to apes. On account you ramble aimlessly without focus or a real hold on your topic. Even if your ideas are right(they're not by the way) you're not doing yourself any favours by presenting them so poorly.
Damage any part of the brain and that brain will lose part of it's function.
In theory you could damage each part of a brain one by one and each time a part of the brain would switch off or die but there is no such thing a sould that partially dies.
Now extend that to death where each part of the brain dies i.e. All electrical circuits and neurons are switched off making you brain deed. It's that simple.
If you want to claim a soul you seriously need some evidence. Over to you.
Knowledge is not acquired through convenience, and making claims absent of investigation does not lead to credibility or accuracy. The views on religion of our founding fathers was not unified and was not very consistent with your theology. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own bible with a jesus that was not the son of god. Thomas Paine was an atheist. Franklin's views varied throughout his life, Adams said the US is not a christian country in the Treaty of Tripoli.
You just simply illustrated how people apply views and beliefs differently. I am glad Adams made that statement. Do you know WHY he asserted that? The reason is because people in this wonderful country should have the freedom to choose what they want to believe. Christians agree with that. This is similar to separation of church and state.
@dbelton2010 If you were intellectually honest and objective you'd realize how naive you are and how desperately you need to challenge your preconceptions.
@dbelton2010 No christians don't believe that. If they did there would be no attempt to influence non christian people to believe what they believe...there would be no attempt to convert. There would be no street preachers like you threatening others with hell. You imbecile...you are not honest at all. The Treaty of Tripoli was not a document for the American people, it was an international statement. Dumbshit!!! Separation of church and state is to show an absense of religious sponsorship
@MrSamuelSpade We wouldn't want the Catholic Church slaughtering people again, now would we? That is no different from the radical Islamists. This video is put together with claims that came out of investigation. What do you expect the investigation to be in the form of..... some kind of news report? Jesus loves you.
@dbelton2010 Why would you tell me that jesus loves me when you know I have no belief in jesus at all? Do you think that demonstrating a complete lack of respect for my views in some way makes your perspective more valid? No we wouldn't want any religious perspective leading to slaughter, nor any non religious influence. You have completely demolished any rationale for your assertions. You just aren't astute enough to argue this. You're way too biased and narrow minded.
@dbelton2010 "We wouldn't want the Catholic Church slaughtering people again, now would we?"
They still do in some third world countries. Evangelicals in America have gotten in on the act too, pushing for the death penalty for gays in Uganda and other African countries, and turning a blind eye to witch burnings and child sacrifice by a few of the African Evangelical churches they sponsor.
"Scientific explanations can't help me sleep at night." Wrong in many ways. Your home is built by science. Your heating and cooling come from science. Your sleeping pills or melatonin comes from scientific explanations. Perhaps you need breathing apparatus to help you sleep. The list is very long and you ignore it. You are very ignorant (or a good poe, wasting people's time).
You must have lots of time to waste. You revert to trying to insult or tackle a point I made out of context. The relevance to the "sleep at night" was explaining how an experience and relationship with Jesus Christ gives you things like faith, comfort, forgiveness, peace of mind, love in your heart, etc. which a strict and unhealthy drive towards science as the solution to your day to day life issues can not suffice. Understand now??? Jesus loves you.
@dbelton2010 I don't have time to waste. I recognize belief in imaginary beings is hurting us and so I work on educating people about the actual universe. Saying you are ignorant is not an insult. You have to have faith (belief without evidence) to think JC exists and then that gives you faith. Circular! The rest is based on false premise. Here you are using science but you think it unhealthy. You will live twice as long 80 instead of 40 because
both dimensions exist. To understand what you don't believe in is because of the different scientific dynamic. The theories of parallel dimensions and quantum physics help give an understanding of this. The "spiritual" aspect is not as far fetched as you think. Since you claim to be a scientist, you should be knowledgable of such things. Do you have a degree in any particular field of science? Which field of science do you specialize in???
@dbelton2010 What dimensions? Spiritual? Sure - I'm reading The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality by Andre Comte-Sponville. Being spiritual is consistent with being a scientist. But to push the spirtual emotions to the point of belief in flying spaghetti monsters is unreasonable. There are no confirmed theories of parallel dimensions - as far as I know those have not been confirmed. I have a PhD in molecular biology.
Check these out mr. big brain on bread. h! t _tp : / _ / science DOT howstuffworks doht com / science-vs-myth / everyday-myths / parallel-universe d_o!t h t m and ww w DOT _dummies doh t com / how-to / content / the-theory-of-parallel-universes D oh t h_tm!l. Anything is possible. Is your theory more valid? Why? Gasp! This goes outside of the Bible box, right? Or could it be that the Bible is intertwined with everything we know and don't know? Jesus loves you.
How much experience do you really have in common sense and being able to relate to a spectrum of people? You can't convince someone that what they have or believe in is not real. You are the one with the problem because you don't understand. This is your struggle. Molecular biology, physics, and everything else is simply studies of what is here. You will never know everything. God is evident through the heart and you must seek Him for Him to reveal Himself to you.
@dbelton2010 parallel universes: interesting hypotheses, not one proven. The bible is clearly very far away from describing the actual universe, it fails at every turn (water before light, no global flood, etc) "mr. big brain", "blindvision": ad hominems. This shows me you have to fall back to attacking me instead of giving arguments. You demonstrated that you have no arguments and it shows that you know you have no arguments. Have fun with your imaginary being who doesn't answer your prayers.
It is so hard for you to conceive the idea of your brain and heart in the same picture. You just admitted you have no clue about what I just posted to you. Do you know what that means??? You are really a PHDip. I have a brain just like you have a brain. Yay. God is in my HEART. "God is evident through the heart and you must seek Him for Him to reveal Himself to you." That is what I admitted. They have medication for that. Meanwhile, I will continue to pray for you. Jesus loves you.
@dbelton2010 Jesus doesn't love him because he doesn't care for Jesus. Besides, pretty much anything from the Catholic faith is ridiculous, except for the base morals... most of which were stolen from other religions, such as pagans and quite specifically The Book of the Dead from Egyptian mythology is the exact same as the Ten Commandments except the BotD says it in past tense (I have not killed instead of thou shall not kill).
I agree with you on the Catholic faith. It is a perversion of Christianity which was birthed from Rome. The Roman emperor tried to kill all of the Christians by slaughtering them and feeding them to lions. New converts came at a faster rate than the ones being killed. He made an announcement that forced those Christians to incorporate the pagan and other beliefs to stop Christianity.
@dbelton2010 yes. because there was only one roman emperor right? what about Constantine? please please please read some real books because the things you say here are so furiously wrong and disturbing that i would consider it a sin to spread this all over the world. you are lucky there is now hell....
@dbelton2010 oh and btw, just because the fucking bible says that we're not from apes or whatever, doesn't mean it's automatically true. Have some common sense. I don't care what you believe, but taking everything as immediate truth is gonna get you killed by the time you're thirty five, in a literal sense or otherwise.
Did you come up with that theory yourself? I'm 39 years old now, so that theory is false as well. The truth is expressed in all honesty, clarity, and reality. The truth will set you free. This truth I believe in has gotten me through the war in Bosnia and many obstacles in life. This truth in Jesus Christ has created success for me and helped me live a successful life so far. I know you are angry. Jesus loves you.
@dbelton2010 yeah because i should know how old you are. its a figure of speech. To just assume something is true because of the book it's in is a good way to get false truths. If i gave you Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut and told you it was the bible and you didn't know any different, then by the end you'd believe that everyone is a robot and that mirrors are actually called leaks.
That's not true. I used to be a satanist and tried other things before coming to Jesus Christ. People are not as stupid as you think. Look at you for example. You are proof of contradicting your statement.
@dbelton201 That doesn't make any sense. "You are proof of contradicting your statement." I've gotta' say that's one hell of a useless sentence. How is it contradictory in any way?
"If i gave you Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut and told you it was the bible and you didn't know any different, then by the end you'd believe that everyone is a robot and that mirrors are actually called leaks." I've gotta say you are one major head trip. This, theoretically, applies to you as well. Obviously you would be just as vulnerable to your statement as I would be. What a ridiculous analogy.
You didn't read what I responded. Read slowly this time Mr. PHDip. I studied other philosophies, including atheism, and became a Satanist before...... wait for it...... wait for it...... coming to the truth of Jesus Christ. BEFORE believing the Bible being true. I used to mock and laugh at God and the Bible just like you do right now. I wasn't born with a Bible in my hand. God has a way of getting through to people. Your day is coming.
You have to find out the meaning of life for yourself and pursue it. Grab it with all you've got and make the best of it you can. Nothing is easy in this life. The Bible never promised a Christian's life would be easy. Everyone goes through the same muck. People in the Bible who believed in God suffered and continue being martyred today. Not glamorous. Jesus is real to millions of people and gives them hope and so much more. Not just the new trend or flavor.
@dbelton2010 Ok well, I'm not an angry violent person without God, you just assume I am. Lee Harvey Oswald DID shoot Kennedy, but so did somebody else. Also, I'm not contradictory because I don't believe Breakfast of Champions to be the word of God, or any book for that matter because they were written by humans, a.k.a. not God. I don't care what the fuck you looked at before, it doesn't mean that the bible's any more right dipshit. My day is NOT coming because I've seen religion for what it is-
You can't escape the inevitable. People are people. People are corrupt and corruptible. People corrupt religion and change it into what it was not intended to be. The coveted Koran's Torah (same 5 books of Jewish book) was a book all by itself until some greedy, selfish pig who changed his name to Mohammed and called himself Allah's messenger then set out to slaughter as many Jews as possible. I agree with you on things like that.
@dbelton2010 a way to control people. I believe in God, A god, whatever form or being it may be. To believe an entire book as the truth of reality is just fucking stupid, regardless of WHAT book it is, hence my analogy dumbass. You're blinded by the fact that you believe that Jesus and the bible are inherently right, and they just aren't. You can say you don't need proof to believe, and I get that, but when there is proof of something else, it's probably more likely that the proof-less is wrong.
Oh the language. I'm glad you understand how it feels. I just gave you what you and other typical Atheists give Christians. Not pleasant or rational is it? You are the first Atheist to crack. That was my goal. Not about who is right or wrong, but that you actually understand what I'm trying to get through to you. Thank you. There is a God and He is smiling on you today.
@dbelton2010 I never said I was an atheist, you just assumed that. You don't have to believe in atheism to believe in evolution. You haven't won anything if you think you have. You haven't changed my thoughts on anything except for how stupid and naive you are. You haven't made one good point. Everything you say is God is good, I'm fuckin' awesome because I believe in God and everyone else is fucking wrong. I skimmed all of your posts and not once do you make a good point to anyone.
If you would have given me that book, btw English has always been my best subject, I would have hit you with it and told you how stupid you were. Before becoming a Christian I was very violent, angry, and empty just like you. By going so far to try disputing what someone believes shows how weak and feeble you really are. Do you believe Kennedy was really shot by Lee Harvey Oswald? It's written in a book. Wake up! The mafia killed him.
@dbelton2010 Oh and nightmare is right. People like you ARE the reason we can't have nice things. Without religion (note: not God), we would be eons and eons ahead and things would actually look more like The Jetsons, minus the lack of solid ground. "By going so far to try disputing what someone believe shows how weak and feeble you really are". <- Isn't that what you tried to do with the video? And right now? Idiot.
"unexplainable[ wrong] incoherent[wrong] events ... big bang theory created all this[wrong]. You are extremely ignorant. It's like walking around town without your pants on. Please learn the basic theories and learn how we know what we know.
Because of people like you. Check out your screen name: Nightmare43009. Do you ever scare yourself when you look in a mirror? I used to when I was a Satanist. I learned the biggest nightmare is being stuck with trying to live your life selfishly and blindly. That path is impossible to get off of without crashing and becoming a living nightmare. Only the power of Jesus Christ delivered me from the nightmare I used to be and the nightmare I used to live. He can do it for you.
What if someone was at your window or door right now, ready to kill you and you didn't realize it. I'm sure you can think of a few people who would feel that way about you. But then something happened. This guy sees you stressing out from a tragic experience like a death in the family or midlife crisis. Some Christian shmuck you can't stand just happened to think of you with the sense of urgency and prays for your safety. The guy watching you suddenly feels guilt and leaves.
You need to delete this video, you don't know what you're talking about.
I honestly don't care which theory is the 'right' theory, but it gets pretty annoying when people (you for example) try to prove their beliefs without enough information and facts.
People like you are a waste of people's time. All you want to do is act childish and taunt people with adolescent remarks. How is that superstinger gig working out for you? Still miserable and confused. Angry and disgusted. Other people who find truth for themselves really really gets under your skin and burns you up, right? Good. It is what you refuse to accept, but is still here. You don't understand it. That is your real problem. Just give it a try.
@dbelton2010 Alright Dennis, I'm going to take the time to break it down for you... because its people like you that make people like us hate Christianity.
Believe it or not, I was a very active christian, son of a traveling minister (later pastor of a church), i was also a former employee of the church.
Hopefully that will help you do understand that i'm not just an anti-everything person.. there's actually some background.
1. "Still miserable and confused. Angry and disgusted."
Honestly, no, none of this applies to me. I've got a good job, good car, house, money, great friends and good relationship with my family. I can't attribute any of this to a religion because I'm not following one.
2. "Other people who find truth for themselves really really gets under your skin and burns you up, right?"
I'm happy that some people find their way into a church, its a supportive community with like minded people....
@dbelton2010 ...however, calling it "the truth" is taking it over the line. While you are calling Christianity the truth, every other religion I calling their's the truth.
3. "Good. It is what you refuse to accept, but is still here. You don't understand it. That is your real problem. Just give it a try."
The problem with this is.... I DID, and was personally a part of it for 18 years.
I'm no religion expert, all i know is what i know. but I don't claim things that haven't been proven as fact.
You just watched the story of your life. When you stand before God, the story of your life will play before you like watching a movie. I'm sure that will be your response on that day. Jesus loves you. It's not your day, yet. It will come sooner than you think.
The crazy people are the ones posing as normal. What is normal, anyway? Are you normal? How do you know? What if the other people were the normal ones? Everyone is crazy in one way or another. It all depends on your weaknesses. Would you become crazy if you found out you had AIDS? Would you become crazy if you suddenly found yourself in what you thought was a dream, but was really in Hell surrounded by vicious demons? Does medication really make people normal? Is that crazy?
@dbelton2010 with "crazy people" i mean people who are extremely vulnerable to ideologies that are NOT progressive. btw socrates would have drunken the poisen voluntarily and much earlier if he would have seen your "flawless" argumentative technique. i never used the word "normal" because i know that it is not definable maybe you should stick to what i am really saying and not on what you prepared to argue against. if there is a god, why should he be dogmatic?
Socrates would have called you an idiot and laughed in your face for believing in Darwin's theory of evolution. God has the right to be dogmatic because He is the creator; thereby has the right to be. He really does look out for our best interest which He can only do by ppl practicing having a relationship with Him. That is how we are protected from a lot of evil in this world and likewise becoming a positive influence and solution to others.
Such a sad, sad little man. How is that ape theory working out for you? I say we evolved from pigs. That's my theory. Our DNA is the same match PLUS we have more in common with pigs. We both thoroughly enjoy sex and developed from an embryo and had gills. I have just as much evidence as you. That is a sad way to go through life believing that. Jesus loves you.
Mr. Klaus. Do you believe in Santa? You are similar to a chimp. You believe that to be true. Science proves that the human DNA and chimp DNA are 98% identical. Guess what? Our DNA and similarities match just as well with pigs. My theory about us evolving from pigs is just as valid. That is backed up with just as much evidence. We have great pleasure in sex like pigs - unlike chimps. People are more similar to pigs. Porn, sexual sins, masturbation - not drinking our own piss.
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I think you have misinterpreted the studies. They say that pig organs may be a good candidate for transplants, it does not say that we are more similar to pigs. The reason pigs were studied and suggested likely has more to do with the cheapness of pigs compared to black market poached chimps and the ready availability.
Humans and pigs are similar, but we are more similar to chimps.
The millenia old story book has stood the test of time and continues to deliver truth to people who are willing to test it, check it, and try it out. You are right, the milk thing was pretty lame for people like you because you need to be pushed back. The problem is you don't know what to believe or what is truth. How long will you live your life confused and miserable trying to make others believe your beliefs are any truer than theirs?
it has nothing to do with spontaneity in laws of physics
the big bang theory explains how the universe came into being, nothing more, nothing less
thinking that big bang theory implies that the laws of physics should be spontaneous shows how scientifically illiterate you are
science theory is not supposed to help you sleep (except sleeping pills), it explains what is, and psychology/neurology does explain some of it, actually, it will eventually explain all of it, with sufficient research
"now you mean to tell me, that through unexplainable, incoherent chain of events that took place which people refer to as the big bang theory, created all this"
no
big bang made subatomic particles, like quarks
the universe expanded and cooled, particles condensed to protons and neutrons and electrons which formed hydrogen atoms
hydrogen clouds accumulated and condensed and eventually ignited in nuclear fire creating the stars
a significant portion of it was already on earth in vapor/gas form
there are several theories as to how water got here, comets (mostly ice) are one source and there was likely significant amounts of water in the dust and gas that the earth was formed from
YES YES YES YES!!! ABSOLUTELY! You are describing the way things work in this world we live in. Good for you! That is what science really is, the study of this world. That doesn't debunk faith in God. That simply explains our understanding of how molecules, matter, and physics work and operate. Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't real. You can't convince a millionaire that he doesn't have any money or wealth. Your dilemna.
@KomradKlaus what makes you think he's a poe? Edwardcurrent makes it clear, this guy doesn't as far as I could see. He seems just to be a deluded and extremely ignorant slave of the church.
@superstinger99 Lol, I was being a smart ass! I am atheist of the empirical rationalist species, and a student of biology. I'm mocking this horribly uneducated video. People with no knowledge on a subject make videos like this based purely on speculation with absolutely no evidence to support their claim.
It appears as speculation to you because instead of really trying to learn and understand, you have a closed mind and simply refuse to even try accepting anything other than what you believe. It's like after you turned 18 years old, you no longer had to learn anything else in your life. Everyone else is an idiot and you are the wisest and smartest premadonna on the planet. Typical Adeist. Jesus loves you. Was that horribly uneducated? You wouldn't know it anyway.
Yeah, we don't need facts or science! Biochemists, molecular biologists, geneticists, geologists, paleontologists, and evolutionary biologists are all so ignorant. I think it's time to tear down universities and build some churches in their place. Show your faith in God, don't go to the hospital, physicians depend on evolution 'theory' for medicine. They are sinners.
I'm glad everyone doesn't think like you. We need all of those people. They don't contradict religion. Science and belief in God coincide and compliment one another. Love, world peace, etc human qualities that nations claim to value but can not obtain without a relationship with God. I'm a sinner just like you. A pathetic, filthy, worthless sinner. You are going off of the deep end. Already been there done that. Jesus Christ came to me and revealed Himself. He is real.
I am an atheist, but I hope I am also a compassionate person.
It hurts me that someone so obviously sincere is prepared to go public and completely destroy his intellectual credibility by making a video that blatently demonstrates his total lack of knowledge of the subject he is condemning.
I'm sorry, but my 11yr old granddaughter has a greater understanding of facts of Evolution and Natural Selection than you do.
I recommend you read "The greatest show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins.
Darwinsman 5 months ago
Quote: "The 'Founding Fathers' of America had faith in god."
I don't think so. This is just a couple of random quotes:
“This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!” - John Adams.
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” - Thomas Jefferson.
”Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.” - James Madison
There are many more.
Darwinsman 5 months ago
What about knowing what you are talking about?
Try it!
ChristianIce 5 months ago
I'm afraid i was unable to get through to the part where you explained why darwin was wrong and why man is not related to apes. On account you ramble aimlessly without focus or a real hold on your topic. Even if your ideas are right(they're not by the way) you're not doing yourself any favours by presenting them so poorly.
mrdarkevilme 6 months ago
Oh and your Ape arguement proves how ignorant you are to demonstrable facts
dilt4 6 months ago
Oh and tell me. Why is the bible the book you trust? Nothing makes the bible any less insane than the other religous texts
dilt4 6 months ago
Your "facts" are based on an out dated book nothing more.
dilt4 6 months ago
oh Look that mentaly disabled guy on the street corner belives in god! Well we can trust him without knowing a single thing about him.
dilt4 6 months ago
Well, I didn't see or hear any evidence at all that "Darwin was wrong" and "man is not ape"
All I heard was a bunch of religious and emotional assertions with no "clear and concrete" evidence whatsoever.
In making false statements all you do is make yourself and your religion look more stupid than they already are.
Top tip... put down your bible and read a proper book. Think for yourself !
unixhead101 7 months ago
Damage any part of the brain and that brain will lose part of it's function.
In theory you could damage each part of a brain one by one and each time a part of the brain would switch off or die but there is no such thing a sould that partially dies.
Now extend that to death where each part of the brain dies i.e. All electrical circuits and neurons are switched off making you brain deed. It's that simple.
If you want to claim a soul you seriously need some evidence. Over to you.
pilgrimpater 7 months ago
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Albert Einstein
foxlake02 8 months ago 2
Dennis
Knowledge is not acquired through convenience, and making claims absent of investigation does not lead to credibility or accuracy. The views on religion of our founding fathers was not unified and was not very consistent with your theology. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own bible with a jesus that was not the son of god. Thomas Paine was an atheist. Franklin's views varied throughout his life, Adams said the US is not a christian country in the Treaty of Tripoli.
MrSamuelSpade 8 months ago 2
@MrSamuelSpade Samuel
You just simply illustrated how people apply views and beliefs differently. I am glad Adams made that statement. Do you know WHY he asserted that? The reason is because people in this wonderful country should have the freedom to choose what they want to believe. Christians agree with that. This is similar to separation of church and state.
dbelton2010 7 months ago
@dbelton2010 If you were intellectually honest and objective you'd realize how naive you are and how desperately you need to challenge your preconceptions.
MrSamuelSpade 7 months ago
@dbelton2010 No christians don't believe that. If they did there would be no attempt to influence non christian people to believe what they believe...there would be no attempt to convert. There would be no street preachers like you threatening others with hell. You imbecile...you are not honest at all. The Treaty of Tripoli was not a document for the American people, it was an international statement. Dumbshit!!! Separation of church and state is to show an absense of religious sponsorship
MrSamuelSpade 7 months ago
@MrSamuelSpade We wouldn't want the Catholic Church slaughtering people again, now would we? That is no different from the radical Islamists. This video is put together with claims that came out of investigation. What do you expect the investigation to be in the form of..... some kind of news report? Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 7 months ago
@dbelton2010 Why would you tell me that jesus loves me when you know I have no belief in jesus at all? Do you think that demonstrating a complete lack of respect for my views in some way makes your perspective more valid? No we wouldn't want any religious perspective leading to slaughter, nor any non religious influence. You have completely demolished any rationale for your assertions. You just aren't astute enough to argue this. You're way too biased and narrow minded.
MrSamuelSpade 7 months ago
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@dbelton2010 "We wouldn't want the Catholic Church slaughtering people again, now would we?"
They still do in some third world countries. Evangelicals in America have gotten in on the act too, pushing for the death penalty for gays in Uganda and other African countries, and turning a blind eye to witch burnings and child sacrifice by a few of the African Evangelical churches they sponsor.
The path of delusion only goes one way.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
Oh, how does he know there were founding fathers? Was he there?
HConstantine 8 months ago
Can't he at least put some Handel in there at the beginning?
HConstantine 8 months ago
"Scientific explanations can't help me sleep at night." Wrong in many ways. Your home is built by science. Your heating and cooling come from science. Your sleeping pills or melatonin comes from scientific explanations. Perhaps you need breathing apparatus to help you sleep. The list is very long and you ignore it. You are very ignorant (or a good poe, wasting people's time).
farvision 10 months ago 2
@farvision
You must have lots of time to waste. You revert to trying to insult or tackle a point I made out of context. The relevance to the "sleep at night" was explaining how an experience and relationship with Jesus Christ gives you things like faith, comfort, forgiveness, peace of mind, love in your heart, etc. which a strict and unhealthy drive towards science as the solution to your day to day life issues can not suffice. Understand now??? Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 I don't have time to waste. I recognize belief in imaginary beings is hurting us and so I work on educating people about the actual universe. Saying you are ignorant is not an insult. You have to have faith (belief without evidence) to think JC exists and then that gives you faith. Circular! The rest is based on false premise. Here you are using science but you think it unhealthy. You will live twice as long 80 instead of 40 because
of science! I'm a scientist; it's healthy.
farvision 9 months ago
@farvision
both dimensions exist. To understand what you don't believe in is because of the different scientific dynamic. The theories of parallel dimensions and quantum physics help give an understanding of this. The "spiritual" aspect is not as far fetched as you think. Since you claim to be a scientist, you should be knowledgable of such things. Do you have a degree in any particular field of science? Which field of science do you specialize in???
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 What dimensions? Spiritual? Sure - I'm reading The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality by Andre Comte-Sponville. Being spiritual is consistent with being a scientist. But to push the spirtual emotions to the point of belief in flying spaghetti monsters is unreasonable. There are no confirmed theories of parallel dimensions - as far as I know those have not been confirmed. I have a PhD in molecular biology.
farvision 9 months ago
@farvision
Check these out mr. big brain on bread. h! t _tp : / _ / science DOT howstuffworks doht com / science-vs-myth / everyday-myths / parallel-universe d_o!t h t m and ww w DOT _dummies doh t com / how-to / content / the-theory-of-parallel-universes D oh t h_tm!l. Anything is possible. Is your theory more valid? Why? Gasp! This goes outside of the Bible box, right? Or could it be that the Bible is intertwined with everything we know and don't know? Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@farvision
How much experience do you really have in common sense and being able to relate to a spectrum of people? You can't convince someone that what they have or believe in is not real. You are the one with the problem because you don't understand. This is your struggle. Molecular biology, physics, and everything else is simply studies of what is here. You will never know everything. God is evident through the heart and you must seek Him for Him to reveal Himself to you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 you just admitted that your god is entirely in your brain.
farvision 9 months ago
@farvision
Your vision doesn't go far enough. Change your name to blindvision. That would make more sense.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 parallel universes: interesting hypotheses, not one proven. The bible is clearly very far away from describing the actual universe, it fails at every turn (water before light, no global flood, etc) "mr. big brain", "blindvision": ad hominems. This shows me you have to fall back to attacking me instead of giving arguments. You demonstrated that you have no arguments and it shows that you know you have no arguments. Have fun with your imaginary being who doesn't answer your prayers.
farvision 9 months ago
@dbelton2010
It is so hard for you to conceive the idea of your brain and heart in the same picture. You just admitted you have no clue about what I just posted to you. Do you know what that means??? You are really a PHDip. I have a brain just like you have a brain. Yay. God is in my HEART. "God is evident through the heart and you must seek Him for Him to reveal Himself to you." That is what I admitted. They have medication for that. Meanwhile, I will continue to pray for you. Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 Jesus doesn't love him because he doesn't care for Jesus. Besides, pretty much anything from the Catholic faith is ridiculous, except for the base morals... most of which were stolen from other religions, such as pagans and quite specifically The Book of the Dead from Egyptian mythology is the exact same as the Ten Commandments except the BotD says it in past tense (I have not killed instead of thou shall not kill).
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
I agree with you on the Catholic faith. It is a perversion of Christianity which was birthed from Rome. The Roman emperor tried to kill all of the Christians by slaughtering them and feeding them to lions. New converts came at a faster rate than the ones being killed. He made an announcement that forced those Christians to incorporate the pagan and other beliefs to stop Christianity.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 yes. because there was only one roman emperor right? what about Constantine? please please please read some real books because the things you say here are so furiously wrong and disturbing that i would consider it a sin to spread this all over the world. you are lucky there is now hell....
urin1337 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 oh and btw, just because the fucking bible says that we're not from apes or whatever, doesn't mean it's automatically true. Have some common sense. I don't care what you believe, but taking everything as immediate truth is gonna get you killed by the time you're thirty five, in a literal sense or otherwise.
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
Did you come up with that theory yourself? I'm 39 years old now, so that theory is false as well. The truth is expressed in all honesty, clarity, and reality. The truth will set you free. This truth I believe in has gotten me through the war in Bosnia and many obstacles in life. This truth in Jesus Christ has created success for me and helped me live a successful life so far. I know you are angry. Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 yeah because i should know how old you are. its a figure of speech. To just assume something is true because of the book it's in is a good way to get false truths. If i gave you Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut and told you it was the bible and you didn't know any different, then by the end you'd believe that everyone is a robot and that mirrors are actually called leaks.
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
That's not true. I used to be a satanist and tried other things before coming to Jesus Christ. People are not as stupid as you think. Look at you for example. You are proof of contradicting your statement.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton201 That doesn't make any sense. "You are proof of contradicting your statement." I've gotta' say that's one hell of a useless sentence. How is it contradictory in any way?
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
"If i gave you Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut and told you it was the bible and you didn't know any different, then by the end you'd believe that everyone is a robot and that mirrors are actually called leaks." I've gotta say you are one major head trip. This, theoretically, applies to you as well. Obviously you would be just as vulnerable to your statement as I would be. What a ridiculous analogy.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
You didn't read what I responded. Read slowly this time Mr. PHDip. I studied other philosophies, including atheism, and became a Satanist before...... wait for it...... wait for it...... coming to the truth of Jesus Christ. BEFORE believing the Bible being true. I used to mock and laugh at God and the Bible just like you do right now. I wasn't born with a Bible in my hand. God has a way of getting through to people. Your day is coming.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
You have to find out the meaning of life for yourself and pursue it. Grab it with all you've got and make the best of it you can. Nothing is easy in this life. The Bible never promised a Christian's life would be easy. Everyone goes through the same muck. People in the Bible who believed in God suffered and continue being martyred today. Not glamorous. Jesus is real to millions of people and gives them hope and so much more. Not just the new trend or flavor.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 Ok well, I'm not an angry violent person without God, you just assume I am. Lee Harvey Oswald DID shoot Kennedy, but so did somebody else. Also, I'm not contradictory because I don't believe Breakfast of Champions to be the word of God, or any book for that matter because they were written by humans, a.k.a. not God. I don't care what the fuck you looked at before, it doesn't mean that the bible's any more right dipshit. My day is NOT coming because I've seen religion for what it is-
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
You can't escape the inevitable. People are people. People are corrupt and corruptible. People corrupt religion and change it into what it was not intended to be. The coveted Koran's Torah (same 5 books of Jewish book) was a book all by itself until some greedy, selfish pig who changed his name to Mohammed and called himself Allah's messenger then set out to slaughter as many Jews as possible. I agree with you on things like that.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 a way to control people. I believe in God, A god, whatever form or being it may be. To believe an entire book as the truth of reality is just fucking stupid, regardless of WHAT book it is, hence my analogy dumbass. You're blinded by the fact that you believe that Jesus and the bible are inherently right, and they just aren't. You can say you don't need proof to believe, and I get that, but when there is proof of something else, it's probably more likely that the proof-less is wrong.
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
Oh the language. I'm glad you understand how it feels. I just gave you what you and other typical Atheists give Christians. Not pleasant or rational is it? You are the first Atheist to crack. That was my goal. Not about who is right or wrong, but that you actually understand what I'm trying to get through to you. Thank you. There is a God and He is smiling on you today.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 I never said I was an atheist, you just assumed that. You don't have to believe in atheism to believe in evolution. You haven't won anything if you think you have. You haven't changed my thoughts on anything except for how stupid and naive you are. You haven't made one good point. Everything you say is God is good, I'm fuckin' awesome because I believe in God and everyone else is fucking wrong. I skimmed all of your posts and not once do you make a good point to anyone.
acdcfan900 9 months ago
@acdcfan900
If you would have given me that book, btw English has always been my best subject, I would have hit you with it and told you how stupid you were. Before becoming a Christian I was very violent, angry, and empty just like you. By going so far to try disputing what someone believes shows how weak and feeble you really are. Do you believe Kennedy was really shot by Lee Harvey Oswald? It's written in a book. Wake up! The mafia killed him.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 Oh and nightmare is right. People like you ARE the reason we can't have nice things. Without religion (note: not God), we would be eons and eons ahead and things would actually look more like The Jetsons, minus the lack of solid ground. "By going so far to try disputing what someone believe shows how weak and feeble you really are". <- Isn't that what you tried to do with the video? And right now? Idiot.
acdcfan900 9 months ago
"unexplainable[ wrong] incoherent[wrong] events ... big bang theory created all this[wrong]. You are extremely ignorant. It's like walking around town without your pants on. Please learn the basic theories and learn how we know what we know.
farvision 10 months ago
THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
Nightmare43009 10 months ago
@Nightmare43009
Because of people like you. Check out your screen name: Nightmare43009. Do you ever scare yourself when you look in a mirror? I used to when I was a Satanist. I learned the biggest nightmare is being stuck with trying to live your life selfishly and blindly. That path is impossible to get off of without crashing and becoming a living nightmare. Only the power of Jesus Christ delivered me from the nightmare I used to be and the nightmare I used to live. He can do it for you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
Stupid fucking christians
Nightmare43009 10 months ago 2
@Nightmare43009
You need a hug.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@Nightmare43009
What if someone was at your window or door right now, ready to kill you and you didn't realize it. I'm sure you can think of a few people who would feel that way about you. But then something happened. This guy sees you stressing out from a tragic experience like a death in the family or midlife crisis. Some Christian shmuck you can't stand just happened to think of you with the sense of urgency and prays for your safety. The guy watching you suddenly feels guilt and leaves.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
You need to delete this video, you don't know what you're talking about.
I honestly don't care which theory is the 'right' theory, but it gets pretty annoying when people (you for example) try to prove their beliefs without enough information and facts.
superstinger99 10 months ago
@superstinger99
People like you are a waste of people's time. All you want to do is act childish and taunt people with adolescent remarks. How is that superstinger gig working out for you? Still miserable and confused. Angry and disgusted. Other people who find truth for themselves really really gets under your skin and burns you up, right? Good. It is what you refuse to accept, but is still here. You don't understand it. That is your real problem. Just give it a try.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 Alright Dennis, I'm going to take the time to break it down for you... because its people like you that make people like us hate Christianity.
Believe it or not, I was a very active christian, son of a traveling minister (later pastor of a church), i was also a former employee of the church.
Hopefully that will help you do understand that i'm not just an anti-everything person.. there's actually some background.
See next comment for more
superstinger99 7 months ago
1. "Still miserable and confused. Angry and disgusted."
Honestly, no, none of this applies to me. I've got a good job, good car, house, money, great friends and good relationship with my family. I can't attribute any of this to a religion because I'm not following one.
2. "Other people who find truth for themselves really really gets under your skin and burns you up, right?"
I'm happy that some people find their way into a church, its a supportive community with like minded people....
superstinger99 7 months ago
@dbelton2010 ...however, calling it "the truth" is taking it over the line. While you are calling Christianity the truth, every other religion I calling their's the truth.
3. "Good. It is what you refuse to accept, but is still here. You don't understand it. That is your real problem. Just give it a try."
The problem with this is.... I DID, and was personally a part of it for 18 years.
I'm no religion expert, all i know is what i know. but I don't claim things that haven't been proven as fact.
superstinger99 7 months ago
wtf did i just watch
mastechief8 10 months ago
@mastechief8
You just watched the story of your life. When you stand before God, the story of your life will play before you like watching a movie. I'm sure that will be your response on that day. Jesus loves you. It's not your day, yet. It will come sooner than you think.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
hopefully evolution will help to get these crazy people extinguished.
urin1337 10 months ago
@urin1337
The crazy people are the ones posing as normal. What is normal, anyway? Are you normal? How do you know? What if the other people were the normal ones? Everyone is crazy in one way or another. It all depends on your weaknesses. Would you become crazy if you found out you had AIDS? Would you become crazy if you suddenly found yourself in what you thought was a dream, but was really in Hell surrounded by vicious demons? Does medication really make people normal? Is that crazy?
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010 with "crazy people" i mean people who are extremely vulnerable to ideologies that are NOT progressive. btw socrates would have drunken the poisen voluntarily and much earlier if he would have seen your "flawless" argumentative technique. i never used the word "normal" because i know that it is not definable maybe you should stick to what i am really saying and not on what you prepared to argue against. if there is a god, why should he be dogmatic?
urin1337 9 months ago
@dbelton2010
Socrates would have called you an idiot and laughed in your face for believing in Darwin's theory of evolution. God has the right to be dogmatic because He is the creator; thereby has the right to be. He really does look out for our best interest which He can only do by ppl practicing having a relationship with Him. That is how we are protected from a lot of evil in this world and likewise becoming a positive influence and solution to others.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
we did not come from apes, chimp, etc
we share a common ancestor
it's very similar to family trees
we are related to chimps, but they are not our parents, instead, we share a great great great grandma
our dna shows we are related and that we share an ancestor
your water milk thing is a really poor example
first of all, milk is partly water
second, WE DID NOT COME FROM CHIMPS, WE ARE SIMILAR
my theory is better than yours because it is backed up with EVIDENCE, not a millennia old story book
KomradKlaus 10 months ago 11
@KomradKlaus We did come from apes, just not the ones you see alive today. By definition we are apes.
Tigerpawzs 10 months ago
@Tigerpawzs
I know you're a poe, good job, I had to look at your channel to find out, so I didn't see through your disguise, I just cheated
you're pretty good at it
KomradKlaus 10 months ago
@Tigerpawzs
Such a sad, sad little man. How is that ape theory working out for you? I say we evolved from pigs. That's my theory. Our DNA is the same match PLUS we have more in common with pigs. We both thoroughly enjoy sex and developed from an embryo and had gills. I have just as much evidence as you. That is a sad way to go through life believing that. Jesus loves you.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@KomradKlaus
Mr. Klaus. Do you believe in Santa? You are similar to a chimp. You believe that to be true. Science proves that the human DNA and chimp DNA are 98% identical. Guess what? Our DNA and similarities match just as well with pigs. My theory about us evolving from pigs is just as valid. That is backed up with just as much evidence. We have great pleasure in sex like pigs - unlike chimps. People are more similar to pigs. Porn, sexual sins, masturbation - not drinking our own piss.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010
find me the study about the pigs being more closely related to humans than chimps that you're referencing and I'll believe you
I doubt you'll provide it
if you do, I will counter it if I can, and I shall admit defeat if I cannot
KomradKlaus 9 months ago
@KomradKlaus
That's easy. Just google it. I know you already know this. Check it out. dubya w w D OT flashcardexchange d@t com / _flashcards / list / 476592. dubya w w D OT israel21c d@ t org / health / israeli-findings-increase-chances-of-successful-pig-embryonic-tissue-transplant. dubya w w D OT organicconsumers d @t org / patent / pighuman.cfm
dbelton2010 9 months ago
@dbelton2010
I think you have misinterpreted the studies. They say that pig organs may be a good candidate for transplants, it does not say that we are more similar to pigs. The reason pigs were studied and suggested likely has more to do with the cheapness of pigs compared to black market poached chimps and the ready availability.
Humans and pigs are similar, but we are more similar to chimps.
KomradKlaus 9 months ago
@KomradKlaus
The millenia old story book has stood the test of time and continues to deliver truth to people who are willing to test it, check it, and try it out. You are right, the milk thing was pretty lame for people like you because you need to be pushed back. The problem is you don't know what to believe or what is truth. How long will you live your life confused and miserable trying to make others believe your beliefs are any truer than theirs?
dbelton2010 9 months ago
it has nothing to do with spontaneity in laws of physics
the big bang theory explains how the universe came into being, nothing more, nothing less
thinking that big bang theory implies that the laws of physics should be spontaneous shows how scientifically illiterate you are
science theory is not supposed to help you sleep (except sleeping pills), it explains what is, and psychology/neurology does explain some of it, actually, it will eventually explain all of it, with sufficient research
KomradKlaus 10 months ago 2
"now you mean to tell me, that through unexplainable, incoherent chain of events that took place which people refer to as the big bang theory, created all this"
no
big bang made subatomic particles, like quarks
the universe expanded and cooled, particles condensed to protons and neutrons and electrons which formed hydrogen atoms
hydrogen clouds accumulated and condensed and eventually ignited in nuclear fire creating the stars
dust and gas made the planets at the same time
KomradKlaus 10 months ago
@KomradKlaus
the planets cooled and water condensed on its surface
abiogenesis made the first life which evolved into the plants, animals, fungus, bacteria, etc
tectonic plates shifting made and altered the landmasses, running water, erosion, seismic movement, and glaciers made the mountains and plains
rivers cut canyons and flowed into lakes
that's how it all got there
the big bang theory doesn't say that everything suddenly appeared like it is today, that would be what your beliefs say
KomradKlaus 10 months ago 9
@KomradKlaus said: "the planets cooled and water condensed on its surface".
Where did all the water come from?
NOislamification 5 months ago
@NOislamification
a significant portion of it was already on earth in vapor/gas form
there are several theories as to how water got here, comets (mostly ice) are one source and there was likely significant amounts of water in the dust and gas that the earth was formed from
KomradKlaus 4 months ago
@KomradKlaus
YES YES YES YES!!! ABSOLUTELY! You are describing the way things work in this world we live in. Good for you! That is what science really is, the study of this world. That doesn't debunk faith in God. That simply explains our understanding of how molecules, matter, and physics work and operate. Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't real. You can't convince a millionaire that he doesn't have any money or wealth. Your dilemna.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
They all think just because our DNA matches apes, we came from monkeys? Obviously they don't understand the power of God! They'll burn in hell! Amen.
Tigerpawzs 10 months ago
@Tigerpawzs "They'll burn in hell"?!?!?!
....and you call yourself a Christian? You realize you just verbally attacked anyone who doesn't follow your faith.
How can you justify that?
superstinger99 10 months ago
@superstinger99
look at his channel, he's a poe
and a good one too
KomradKlaus 10 months ago
@KomradKlaus what makes you think he's a poe? Edwardcurrent makes it clear, this guy doesn't as far as I could see. He seems just to be a deluded and extremely ignorant slave of the church.
farvision 10 months ago
@farvision
I looked at his channel and he's favorited a bunch of atheism videos
he's a damn good poe, but a poe nonetheless
look at his channel
KomradKlaus 10 months ago
@KomradKlaus I think you are confused. Which ones that he favored are atheistic?
farvision 10 months ago
@farvision
oh damn, after watching a bit of a few of them, I see
so he's either a fundamentalist, or a really really good and dedicated poe
KomradKlaus 10 months ago
@superstinger99 Lol, I was being a smart ass! I am atheist of the empirical rationalist species, and a student of biology. I'm mocking this horribly uneducated video. People with no knowledge on a subject make videos like this based purely on speculation with absolutely no evidence to support their claim.
Tigerpawzs 10 months ago
@Tigerpawzs
It appears as speculation to you because instead of really trying to learn and understand, you have a closed mind and simply refuse to even try accepting anything other than what you believe. It's like after you turned 18 years old, you no longer had to learn anything else in your life. Everyone else is an idiot and you are the wisest and smartest premadonna on the planet. Typical Adeist. Jesus loves you. Was that horribly uneducated? You wouldn't know it anyway.
dbelton2010 9 months ago
Yeah, we don't need facts or science! Biochemists, molecular biologists, geneticists, geologists, paleontologists, and evolutionary biologists are all so ignorant. I think it's time to tear down universities and build some churches in their place. Show your faith in God, don't go to the hospital, physicians depend on evolution 'theory' for medicine. They are sinners.
Tigerpawzs 10 months ago
@Tigerpawzs
I'm glad everyone doesn't think like you. We need all of those people. They don't contradict religion. Science and belief in God coincide and compliment one another. Love, world peace, etc human qualities that nations claim to value but can not obtain without a relationship with God. I'm a sinner just like you. A pathetic, filthy, worthless sinner. You are going off of the deep end. Already been there done that. Jesus Christ came to me and revealed Himself. He is real.
dbelton2010 9 months ago