The Trusty 4 Gate - Protoss StarCraft 2 Tutorial

[AEgamesFtw]

awful 4gate in this video

[RunescapePkKing12]

i luv sc2

[socool274]

4-gate 4-minute god, this is the fastest 4-gate I have ever seen.

[BliitzPint]

@socool274 The seconds in a quick match are faster seconds... You can't compare the youtube video time with the time of a quick match xD

[des696969]

no timer which is REALLY annoying..

[araujooo16]

husky or to whoever plays, if u wanna get upgrades for ur stalkers which should u get first blink or +1 attack?

[rustam19977]

@araujooo16 Blink if you can use it properly is VERY GOOD if you are a lesser player i would go for +1 BUT blink with an observer can be used as a protoss reaper ;) so it's up to you Blink for micro and harrastment +1 for BRUTE $#%*ING force ;)

[araujooo16]

@rustam19977 thanx much appreciated

[sala776]

ur explaining everything!! dude ur gr8..

[TheTollFace]

You build Stalkers and Colossi

And then you win

very easy

[bloodarrow93]

dat voice...

[ice0cream0bunny4321]

You're not even explaining what youre sending out or when to put Pylons or anything....

[B0lduk]

@ice0cream0bunny4321 Uh.. did you watch the video, he's explaining just about everything.

[STREETSKATE808]

how the fuck do you get it so fast!? that was done at around 4:22! how do you get it that fast!

[enjoi946]

@STREETSKATE808 game time is faster than real time, and he's not showing game timer so if you go by your own in game time it won't be as quick.

[GEFEGELD]

@STREETSKATE808 Its an out dated vid, warp gate tech is nerfed afaik

[FatalMuffin]

WHY WOULD YOU GET TWO GAS. ASLDAasdASDASD

[yisoonshin12]

@FatalMuffin sentries cost a lot of gas and you might want a few of those.

[des696969]

@FatalMuffin you're supposed to 2 gas on 4 gate.

[FatalMuffin]

@des696969 Maybe if you're going all sentry. That's literally the only way I could imagine spending more than the 1 gas worth. Especially on full 6 probe saturation.

[des696969]

@FatalMuffin That's just how a 6gate is.. you won't even have enough to go full stalkers if u wanted to.

[gangforce]

on the bronze league wich i play a robotics facility tends to counter this build :/ check if you see them go for a 4 gate build, if they do make a few immortals cover them enough with zealots. a few stalkers. and attack early :) you generally will be able to push trough and atleast do some nice damage ....... then again its just the bronze league

[kazekagekid]

How do you make a unit or harvester move in that kind of line? 2:14

[Pousup]

@kazekagekid simple hold shift while you give the moving orders :) you can line up the orders this way, works with building orders as well 

[younesbaww]

@kazekagekid Hold shift and right click on the ground (or minimap) :)

[MrGeorgsolis]

@kazekagekid click on worker, hold shift and click

[MrDonosoi]

bot gg at 5:35 and vid 10 min =D.

[EFWgaming]

@huskystarcraft Can we get an updated version of this? The timings are sort of off with the patch that extended the time to research warpgate.

[TheBizzle280]

embarrassed to ask this... but what does 'cutting' units mean?

[Jesper0311]

@TheBizzle280 Not building them

"cutting" workers frees up minerals for units and vice versa

[Noxor0]

@TheBizzle280 i dont know either :(

[Sploogface]

noob. doesn't even split his probes

[silentshadowchaos]

DUDE if it takes you 3 minutes in the game to get a stalker or ur first unit um i think any pro would be able to rush u LOL

[sidekick1024]

how about a f***ing timer?

[wensp167]

@sidekick1024 u dont need one the instructions are based on the amount of workers you have

[sidekick1024]

@wensp167 this is true. but im zerg and i get 4 gated alot. so i want to know when to suicide an overlord in his base. but i watched maximus blacks stream on twitch. he 4gates nearly every game. so no i know to scout at 4:30-5:00.

[wensp167]

@sidekick1024 i can tell you one way to screw your opponent if he's a 4gate user or a terran rusher

its pretty simple dont make you first worker and wait until u have enough money for a spawning pool then create the spawning pool and create overlord after that all you have to do is spam zerglings i believe it is called a zergling rush :D works everytime on bronze silver and gold users if they focus on economy first

[sidekick1024]

@wensp167 thats a 6 pool (the earliest zergling rush you can do). this is only effective vs the ai and players who scout too late. there are two reasons why i dont do it:

1.) i wanna play a macro game

2.) if scouted it fails miserably

thanks for the tip though. and for anyone being cheesed with a 6 pool: just send a worker to scout at 9 supply. i do this against any race cuz it also reveals proxy gate and 2 rax aggression.

[wensp167]

@sidekick1024 lol i see

[TheBluesons]

We need an updated verison of this

[m93samman]

@TheBluesons I think it still applies

[Akantorz12]

@TheBluesons Micro is the updated version of this, without optimal micro, this build doesn't work in the higher leagues.

[lewisdogg00]

@TheBluesons yeah the build times are different now because of the patches. This needs an update, and when do u put down the 3 gates?

[tderias]

do a special video for your 1337th video

[PhiziqLUploadz]

nice split.

[chippy506]

lmao how many times has he said protoss vs protoss :P

[BubbleGumSC2]

when do i make a zealot??

[MrBounty1996]

@BubbleGumSC2 when you click gate and then "z" ;)

[Hisssna]

hate skrillix

[GaviliusSC2]

Toss is definatly not overpowered. Mutas before Templars = bye bye economy

[brightblight]

@GaviliusSC2 er all they would have to do is make stalkers or cannons if they don't scout you then obviously they won't be prepared but stalkers can hold off early mutas and templars will only help if they go for mass muta.

[GaviliusSC2]

@brightblight you cant be everywhere at once early game. and stalkers aren't the answer. you could put cannons but throwing out blind cannons is just a waste. not to mention if u dont have blink, they can easily hit ur expo, doing significant damage before any stalkers come to defend. all i can say is i cannot wait for the tempest.

[Sirlancelot555]

you know wuts weird is that i used this build b4 i watched this video WEIRD

[L3gendi4ry]

Hey thanks I never really was good with strategies!

[0oZuntAo0]

I tried this once and i got pwnd by a mass marauder rush XD

[Chudawg11]

@0oZuntAo0 lol 2 rax ftw

[LyOnS409]

why everyone says protoss are overpowered on the ipl stream i have no idea, sure there good late game but its fuckin getting their thats the problem.

[killerfridgeh]

@LyOnS409 Toss aren't overpowered, When was the last time you saw them win a major tournament? :L People that say that are retarded ^^

[TiSiSDaNiEl]

@killerfridgeh Huk won the last Tournament.

[killerfridgeh]

@TiSiSDaNiEl True, ok then, how about in the last 10 major tournements, how many have toss won?

[jzrdw]

@killerfridgeh late game they are unstoppable though

[killerfridgeh]

@jzrdw But it's getting to the late game which is the difficult part, especially platinum and below ^^

[danglingdouchebag]

im ranked 13 in bronze league.after 40 games i now know that u don't tech up asap when 4 gating.FML.

[Legion5600]

I like Protoss but i am better with Zerg and Terran which is why i watched this but i still dont understand how to start up well

[Demonist1]

I was just wondering, if you go 4-gate against protoss and the opponent can fend off your first attack by using forcefields etc. and forces you to fall back, what is a good follow up for that? Obviously staying with the 4-gate wont get you anywhere, so would it be transitioning to another build depending on the opponents build...? Just wondering if you can keep playing the 4-gate if your first attack is countered.

[sw00bz]

I love you husky thx for the tips imma failry new player this will help me! :)

[Vipar557]

"Some people do have difficulties against hard computers though..." I felt guilty.

[CowHoofOnAHotPlate]

I've been playing for about 2 months and i dont know how to this build. just forge fast expand and build a fully upgraded deathball. Works all the time.

[ThaRommer]

Slow down guy!



[HDBlacknight]

Husky can you tellme what i' s your computer comfiguration

[ColaAlchoholic]

This is how i do it : 9pylon 13gateway 14gas 16pylon 17cyber 18zealot 22stalker 24warpgate 24stalker 26 Gatesx3 26 make pylon in base or proxy pylon. This works a lot for me, and that second gas isn't really needed when i go 4gate bcuz i think reinforcing zealots when doing this is the best option.

[phamnguyenquang]

@ColaAlchoholic against protoss, they can use stalker and micro you all day long

[ColaAlchoholic]

@phamnguyenquang Yeah, but zealots wil still get like 1 or 2 shots everytime the stop to shoot, and stalkers aren't cheap in earlier game.

[phamnguyenquang]

@ColaAlchoholic unless zealots have charge lol

[ColaAlchoholic]

@phamnguyenquang I'm talking bout if you reinforce with zealots if you're doing 4gate. You can't go chargelots in a 4gate, you can after the 4gate fails, if it does.

[phamnguyenquang]

@ColaAlchoholic so what you are talking is the korean 4 gate lol

[teenw0lf1971]

AYE MAYNE I KEEP FUKIN LOOSIN EVA SINCE I LEFT DA PRACTISE LEAGUE ... MY QUESTION IS HOW DO I GO BACK TO PRACTISE LEAGUE CUZ DATS WHERE IMA PRO.

[hvutrong]

@teenw0lf1971 :)) watch the replay and see how you lost

[VengefulCompany]

why is it that my DT's only have warp blade and not a Scythe?

[milanTHErocker]

when should i stop making probes?

[Durin01]

@milanTHErocker never ever

[TheMackong]

@milanTHErocker stop making probes once the supply gets to 24/26. youll get the feel of it after a couple tries.

[milanTHErocker]

@TheMackong yeah,tnx :)

[Ohbit3]

@milanTHErocker from what I've heard, never

[Woosabinladen]

@milanTHErocker

24 if you are at 1 base

[Kalec709]

@milanTHErocker never

[TheSupremeBashar]

@milanTHErocker you don't

[AppleAssassin]

@milanTHErocker 2 probes per mineral patch

[lailaimoon]

@milanTHErocker 2 per Mineral, 3 per Gas

So... 22?

[anatwick18]

@milanTHErocker NEVER

[336forlife]

@milanTHErocker Magic number 80.

[qwas12348gr5]

@milanTHErocker

At around 22 :D

Sorry if this is late :(

[Blackcat18xx]

@milanTHErocker Never, when it looks like they are spammed in your base, expand your territory and make more :3

[brightblight]

@Blackcat18xx doesn't work like that in a 4 gate. A 4 gate is an all in build where if you fail your way behind in economy if you don't kill em off. If your not doing an all in then you never stop.

[The46Ryan]

@brightblight nonono husky said in the video if u fail u wont be behind and u wont be i know becasue i have failed and still won

[brightblight]

@The46Ryan being behind doesn't mean failing and yes you still will be behind. you cannot support a 4 gate off of one base for a long time and it is hard to expand after because you won't have enough money to expand and constantly make workers out of every single gate way along with starting your probe production up again.

[The46Ryan]

@brightblight dude ur sopose to expand while u are attacking or thats wat i do any ways.

[brightblight]

@The46Ryan with a 4 gate? :O only vs protoss. I don't know how late your pushing cause early when your supposed to you will NOT have enough money to expand and constantly make units all the time from each warpgate.

[thesteelego]

@The46Ryan Exactly what Ryan said. Four gate is not only an all in. It is really just protoss 101, I start with one gate, and depending on scout I go forge exp, 2 gate, or if I read nothing I feel safe about reacting to, I go to dependable four gate

[MomieeCA]

@milanTHErocker

When it's saturated

2x mineral

3x vespeme.

[guzabaza]

@milanTHErocker at 20 probes :)

[GreenEyedSerb]

@milanTHErocker When you reach 20 probes. They you stop and pray.

[ThePyroNympho]

@milanTHErocker never

[sdf3123]

@milanTHErocker around 25 to 30 supply i believe.

[milanTHErocker]

@sdf3123 no rofl,its at 20

you must make ur gateways at 24(3 of them) and after the gateway u put the pylon

[EZboyrocks]

great, now I have to find Kronimiciad's comment

[4Th30]

stop commenting bullshit... this video has more than an year old, many changed since jul 30 2010, of course 4 gate is a good strategy, but you can do it faster now, more compressed..and still very effective if you can micro nice:)

[RadekTOXMusicz]

Only hard? Set it to Very Hard or Insane man, they are very easy as protoss :/ anyways i massed many marauders+marines with Upgrades, i respect protoss units from gateway are very weak against marauders.

[theskram1]

in 9 minutes, you can make more than 4 gates.

[BLUGameKing123]

i want this game :D

[ElliottTheUnicorn]

lol 9:10 "and if they get that out.. if they get out one colossus you're fu... you're guna have a REALLY REALLY hard time winning..."

[nataliemrv]

hey huski whats ur player code number

[johaha126]

You also are supposed to get zealot first against terran if you scout him doing a maybe tech lab 1 rax expand marauder slow timing.

[johaha126]

Proper 4 gate involves you not getting second gas o_0.

"Remember, you are not behind if you do this build correctly as long as you save some units from your original attack." You'll be so behind in economy.

[burningkid25]

4-gate is a good opener, but what is a good transition vs any race?

[mattfan14]

@burningkid25 you can keep on gating untill high diamond, after that 1-gate FE and Forge FE or 2-gate FE among many other builds will pay off more... but for starters, get comfortable with 4-gating... expand and build more gates with a fair mix of units depending on what your opponent is doing, and if you get bored you can always get a stargate or 2 and make some Void rays or Phoenixes (one of the most fun units to play with if you ask me :D)

[Mattredrover]

now i understand the four gate, thanks i just got the game

[PirateOfTheWastes]

this dam game...no matter how many of these videos I watch or how many different builds I try I ALWAYS get destroyed, in fact NOTHING happens the way it's supposed to, either I make all the units and they get shredded up like paper...or Idk I just don't know what I'm doing wrong this game has the most ridiculous learning curve in existence.

[jayyoungko]

9:12 if they get out one collosus you're fu- you're gonna... >.<

[Nickmav1337]

I clicked on this on and I didn't realize it was Huksy. It's my lucky day.

[ShiroKado]

this is the strat half the protoss players in master league use.

[totaldollar]

u sound annoying.

[gando346]

Wow, I just read that again and I look retarded. Sorry.

[gando346]

What do the numbers next to the structures symbolize?

As in,

9 Pylon

10 Chrono boost 2 workers

12 Gateway

[herodark123]

@gando346 the amount of supply that you are at when you do that specific action. :)

you know.. that xx/xx in the top right of the screen just after the pylon icon there.

[gando346]

Thanks! @herodark123 

[cyber151]

I am new to the game and just looking for some important basics on a protoss build that is EFFECTIVE at stopping rushes, then holding my own late game. I want a build thats versatile early to DEFEND and then crush them later. Anyone got a build order? Send message to me if you would be so kind.

[MasterSeanyboyy]

@cyber151 Usually if there is a rush Id try to find it out that their rushing as quick as possible and build cannons. Then counter them with a 4 gate.

[pkb16cs]

@kalifornia: hold shift to issue multiple consecutive commands, helpful with move commands with scouting as well

[kal1fornia]

how do you make the probe build multiple things in a row, like once it builds a pylon say in one spot it builds 4 cannons around it?? i can't figure it out but i've seen it done! thanks

[maluse227]

ok i know im a massive noob for asking this but how do you issue multiple commands to a probe where it goes from point A to B without being told like how he scouts and doesnt have to tell it to keep moving because he commanded it to go more than one place before it actually got there?

[jmsGears1]

@maluse227 just in case someone hasnt answered you yet, You are probably fairly new to sc2 (so am I xP) Dont worry as it is not readily apparent, however its just shift clicking. So to build a pylon then go back to mine do: select probe B->E shift right click mineral patch. if you want to build two pylons then go mine do: select probe B->hold shift->E place both pylons let go of shift hit shift and select mineral patch.

[maluse227]

@jmsGears1 ya but how do you make it go from point A to B without waiting for it to get to A and then click to B for something like scouting.

[jmsGears1]

@maluse227 im not sure what your asking anymore @_@

[maluse227]

@jmsGears1 lol dont worry you actually already answered it thanks :)

[543spark]

he didn't even split his drones at start

[anatwick18]

@543spark Of course he didn't spilt the drones. This is a basic opener that basic players can follow. Splitting probes requires hours of dedication, lots of caffine, and God smiling upon your build.

[543spark]

@anatwick18 Ive just started the game casually, I avoid soft drinks,energy drinks and coffee and I'm able to do a simple split after seeing someone do it.

[azgan123]

Why he has condition bars hidden? I think he is quite a noob.

[bobbyjava]

@azgan123 Do u know who he is?? Not knowing Husky makes u a noob, not just a noob but some one is not even in Star craft community. U just talk shit about some one every single Star Craft player knows, unless if u ignore every national and international tournaments. NOOB. :)

[azgan123]

@bobbyjava Nerd

[Disposition446]

Mute.

[T810G]

OMG. its computer. i played with him like 6 games in 1 day i remember... and he sucks!!! he tried stupid ass shit while on my 4v4 team.. and i was stuck with him for most games.. he would go build a hatchery in the other teams base and then do stupid sht as zerg. then as terren he would mass scvs and go send them in and then quit. and when he was protoss hed try to cannon rush and then failed and quit... got me 4 losses cuz of his retarded antics. -_- suprisingly i played with him yesterday too

[KitireFel]

@T810G hey kid im a computah

[GotNoBrained]

thank you husky this tactic rules in 1v1 won at least 10 games in a row

[Hejuk]

ha i never had any strategy cept dt rush em in the low tier leagues -,-

[ratemyswing1]

@Hejuk and you, my friend, are the reason why everyone hates bronze league

[SC2james]

this still work?

[harrisontan]

so ive been doing this and its been working reasonably well but whenever i come aacross a protoss whos doing the same thing i always get owned, what i find is on the graph i get a much stronger force much quicker which is annihalated by the smaller force he defends with, this always leads to a counter attack which i eventually lose.

[MrIHasCrayons]

@harrisontan when you go against a protoss doing the same thing get a robo and get a couple immortals, you will flatten their army, as long as you have a good amount of zealots and stalkers

[LordOfHistory]

@MrIHasCrayons

With fourgate, you get a good first strike at around 6:00 (depending on how good you time it) consisting of 5 stalkers and 1 zealot, which can break most anti-fourgate strats.

[MrIHasCrayons]

@LordOfHistory and you have the high ground advantage, all you need to do is micro, whats your league?

[LordOfHistory]

@MrIHasCrayons

I do not understand what you are suggesting about the high ground advantage.

The offensive 4gate can enter the high ground with 1zealot and 1stalker 15 or so seconds before the pylon/4warp gates finish, allowing for a quick warp in.

I play in Plat EU.

[MrIHasCrayons]

@LordOfHistory plat NA here, and if you dont think the high ground is an advantage then your 5 stalkers and 1 zealot becomes 5 stalkers and no zealot, if positioned properly. then it all comes down to micro, and having 3 gates making units within the base is pretty powerful, where as the other proxy pylon will still have a delayed warp in (depending on placement).

just saying that imortals will flatten everything if you take the right precautions

[LordOfHistory]

@MrIHasCrayons

A robo is quite expensive and to get out an immortal quickly you must sacrifice both warpgate research and other units.

I am not sure of when you can have your immortal out, but even if you have, it is not going to last long due to you having a very limited amount of gateway units. Next warpin of 4 zealots is strong versus immortals.

To successfully defend vs 4gate with 2/3gate robo, you need 3 stalkers and to deny the offensive pylons. But that is quite difficult.

[MrIHasCrayons]

@LarsILJ you can get immortals if you 2 gate or 3 gate robo by about 7.5 minutes, he will be at your base around 7, and you will only have to hold off for a little bit, its ez. and you mistook me for thinking they have immortals, when you are the one with them

[Goutone]

@harrisontan you probably engage him at a really bad angle.

[MrHappyGoFunTime]

@harrisontan Improve your micro skills, or dont push straight into the enemies base. Maybe do a proxy pylon in their base and divert their main armies attention before your main force attacks.

[CatholicBoy10]

@harrisontan whats your unit composition like? Try less sentries-> more stalkers/zealots to overwhelm them. When playing against a 4gate toss, you either need to be slightly faster or go for another build.

[ChaseTehFace]

@harrisontan Zealots counter stalkers very well. Sentries save you in this case.

[rawflepotato]

@harrisontan he out micros you

[gustaphsum41]

@harrisontan problably poor unit control from your part

[Fabbe131]

@harrisontan You need to improve your micro then.

[MrRalexanderb]

@harrisontan I can't really help, but I suggest you watch the replays and find out where it goes wrong. And then try to understand why it went wrong and try and come up with a sulution. Hope this helped in some way :o

[luisboca555]

@harrisontan sounds like you need to micro

[kkoozzoollss]

I have to build probes all the times :/

[Jsladec]

hmm perhaps you could throw up the production tab

[1tiel]

@Jsladec its not a replay.

[theorientalpearl]

So everytime I build Void Rays Im proving Im a noob U.u

[rohannesburg]

my 4 Gate build doesn't come into effect till the 7-10 minute mark, im leaning towards that I just suck

[qwertyaderp]

@rohannesburg LOL

[IcedPhoenix666]

How effective is this today?

[1337Wunderbaum]

@IcedPhoenix666 Still kinda effective, I got beaten by it a couple of times this week. Im in gold league btw :)

[SlicesOfToast]

Slow down!

[SlicesOfToast]

He speaks so fast!!!!!

[Prugal20]

thx man!