In your BSG face, deus ex machina! (i.e. alternate ending)

[revolt1492]

How exactly is he going to cross the oceans? Swimming?

[RazielTheDefiant]

So is she an angel or what?

[euphoniesvids]

LOL!! That was brilliant and the expressions are hilarious! Thanks. =D

[dumbnetworks]

It's and obvious stupid ending for american stupidity people there actually believe that earth is 6000 yrs old and the bible has to be taken literally. What a bunch of nonsense. I feel sorry for you guys

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks "It's and obvious stupid ending for american stupidity people there actually..."  Irony and hypocrisy at its finest. For someone stereotyping an entire nation of millions as all being one homogeneous group of stupid people, you sure have a firm grasp of basic grammar.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 well english is not my native language for start, just try to learn more and speak after. how many languages do you speak?

[Pwells1]

It was pretty clear from the get go that Kara was going to be a Christ figure, and proof of the afterlife. If you didn't see that coming, and wanted some stupid scifi explanation, then you never understood what this show was about.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 stupid sci-fi explanation?? this is a sci-fi movie dude ! not a religion-fiction movie! make your own channel! and another thing there is no after life! if you die thats it I'm sorry!

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks You might want to read the manifesto that the creators wrote when they created the reimagining. They specifically said that they were sick and tired of scifi cliches like wormholes and alternate dimensions and yadda yadda yadda. The show made that pretty clear over their 4 seasons. And yet (stupid) fans wanted a (stupid) scifi cliche explanation for Starbuck, rather than one that tied thematically into the point of the show.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "alternate dimensions and yadda yadda yadda" thanks for proving my point! yes they are fed up with it allright then think! use your brain! this is what I would tell them... that's NO excuse whatsoever to put religion... RELIGION? in it I mean really? They must be really stupid this is like we are fed up with the internet so... let's use morse code, for a change... religion is OBSOLETE. I think you have some growing up to do.. But from what i understand you are too old to change, pity.

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks The show had religion in it, and commented on its various facets, from EPISODE ONE onward. Obviously, you didn't watch the show.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 i did... I just finished it. religion was mainly present at the cylons, you can explain that in various ways, noone with some sense of logic and reason wouldn't believe that the writers really will use religion as a cheap and distasteful excuse for their lack of intelligence.

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks Religion was all over the show. With the Cylons, with the humans. There were religious debates within the fleet over whether the scriptures held relevance or not. Adama was an atheist. Roslin was a cautious believer, but others in the fleet were very dogmatic. Episode after episode referenced god and religious debate. Please stop with the revisionist history. From the moment Starbuck died in Maelstrom, it was quite clear where they were going.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 I agree that religion was all over the show. What revisionist history? its only a movie stop nerding around please. So, yes the religion was there as it is in real life, BUT! the moron writers gave religion authenticity, by finishing the episodes with a loud YES there is a god and is watching over us, statement. All I said that this is stupid and lazy from the writers, what you don't GET exactly?

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks The show gave authenticity to religion as far back as Season 2, with the episode "Home" when they find the tomb of Athena that magically shows a path to Earth. And again the Temple of Five in Season 3 was mystic. Virtual Six proved she was neither a chip nor in Baltar's imagination and said she was an angel of God back in Season 2 as well. Couple that with Baltar's visions, and the later visions by Caprica Six, Athena, and Roslin (as well as Roslin's earlier visions).

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "Virtual Six said she was an angel of God" of course she did! but you don't have to take a machine literally, or do you? that doesn't mean that should be a god involved at all! quite the opposite! the easiest solution is god, as I said earlier, harder is to figure out something more plausible beyound that.

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks Also, your narrow view of religion and that it is obsolete shows that you really don't understand the point of religion (perhaps you should watch the episode, Faith, where Roslin and the other patient debate it). And maybe you should have gotten a clue when the show painted Cavil, the one nihilistic atheist of the show who hates all things to do with God, as the villain. And maybe you should have paid attention to the episode "No Exit" which showed why he thinks that way.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "Also, your narrow view of religion and that it is obsolete shows bla bla"

So, what narrow view of religion? I'm sorry but your phrase contains nothing usable. Of COURSE Roslin debate religion as it IS debated in real life.

"you should have gotten a clue when the show painted Cavil" What point do you try to make? That I should have "get the clue" that writers are stupid creationists so this is where the show goes and I should have stoped watching it then? because if this is what you,

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks Not all religious people are creationists. "So, what narrow view of religion? I'm sorry but your phrase contains nothing usable" Again, WATCH THE EPISODE TITLED FAITH. I don't have time to explain to you the importance of religion/faith/myth in all societies. You might want to watch the South Park multiparters titled "Go God Go" and the Imagination Land trilogy for further insight.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "I don't have time to explain to you the importance of religion/faith/myth" Ok I didn't say that religion myth has no importance, it is very (it was) very important in our development here on earth, sorry for misunderstanding. I like southpark too, pobably that's why we meet and talk here because we like similar things, that's allright. But religion now is of course in the same spot as myth is and legends, but that is another topic...

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 (cont) If this is what you are trying to say then my point from the begining of this "debate" still stands, maybe you didn't get it, so I'm saying it again: It's a sci-fi movie not a rel-fi movie religion has nothing common with science, only with literature and history maybe, but apparently the stupid writers didn't realise that.. OR! they went for the bigot viewers who are in majority especially in the US. So hopefuly this was more clear now in what my opinion is, thanks!

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks 1) It's not a movie. It's a TV show. 2) it's not sci-fi in the sense that Star Trek is. The writers wrote a manifesto saying how they didn't care about techno babble. What the show is about and always was about is its characters and being an allegory for today's world (which is what Sci-Fi was always supposed to be about).

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "What the show is about and always was about is its characters" I actually liked that, and how they tried to keep their society going... another stupid thing imo the "let's get rid of the satrships bullshit, which EVERYONE agreed upon and is another laziness from the writers, I could come up with 10 beter solutinos in 10 minutes ( a disaster for instance, or all the ships got sabotaged by the sons of ares or something...) so the writers couldn't keep up their characters "character" even

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks The show flew in the face of your bigoted views, and you flipped out. That's YOUR problem, not the writers'.

You also might want to look up the original purpose of Science Fiction while you're at it.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 "The show flew in the face of your bigoted views" If you see bigotism in reason and logic I agree with you. I agreed that religion was important in our societies, but then let's make a historical movie about it not a sci-fi. It's the EASIEST way to make a story religious to please the masses, the EASIEST. Harder is to come up with something new. Religion is the oldest thing around, so you think that they came up with something new here?

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks It is bigoted to paint all religious people as creationists who are themselves bigots. A large number of people with faith in God also believe in science and reason, evolution, etc. Quite a number of people who are Christian are not anti Muslim or anti Homosexuality. What you see on TV "news" are only the extremes that sell well.

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks The show's takes on religion hardly pleased the masses. It was actually considered dangerous territory. The ending with Kara and the Virtual Six and Baltar went along with the show's themes from the get go.

I will agree that the ships going into the sun was handled poorly. THAT is what actually threw people off. Then people got in the mood to bitch and moan.

[dumbnetworks]

@Pwells1 well we obviously disagree on the religion part, I stated my point, thanks

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks Something new? The entire premise of BSG is that all of this has happened before, and will happen again. The cyclical nature of humanity, and of time itself. For the record, I am a religious/spiritual person who also believes in evolution, and is also gay, and I was actually polytheistic long before I ever saw BSG (that's part of the reason why I like it so much), but science interests me as much as literature and art do. Sci-fi + religious mysticism = awesome. Just my opinion.

[dumbnetworks]

@waterkeeper511 "The entire premise of BSG is that all of this has happened before, and will happen again. " yes this thing came up and they wanted to change it so it wont happen again. that was the most important thing. NEVER again, But come on... RELIGION? this must be for U.S. creationist viewers only show... they could have came up with something original, maybe, but of course, no imagination needed in this case... RELIGION doesn't need any thinking.

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks I don't see your problem with it...the show has been about religion from the start, from the Colonial polytheism to the Cylon monotheism. And the presence of angels in the show/"God" is not religious, it's spiritual. There's a big difference between the two. And I'm a bit offended by your casual dismissal of religion, and by your equating religion with creationism. Lots of religious people believe in evolution and old Earth. Your scope of thinking is pretty limited for an atheist.

[dumbnetworks]

@waterkeeper511 well I don't care that you are offended, for start. That doesn't mean that I am not right. thats not an argument. So... Of course religion was present because it is present in human societies before we came down from trees, BUT! the writers put it in the end as a FACT for everything that happened in the movie! not as a human behavioral pattern of some sort. Spirituality and religion are closely related, but this show regurgitates more than just simple spirituality.

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks That's the thing with most atheists I meet. We're not having an argument. Just a discussion. I care if I offend you, because you're human. You should care, too.

Anyway, yes, the show conveys it as a fact...but you're missing something. At the end, Head Six says, "That too is in God's plan," and Head Baltar says, "You know he doesn't like that name." This implies that it might not be "God" after all, but something else, like an advanced alien race or something. It's ambiguous. Also

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks Also, you didn't address my point of you equating religion with creationism.

I also don't get why you can't enjoy something just because it's not what you believe to be true in the "real world." It's a TV show, AKA a fantasy. Not real. Why do you care that it presents "God" as factual?

The show regurgitates more than just spirituality, but it doesn't say which religion is correct (Cylon mono- or human polytheism). In fact it suggests the Cylon "God" was once a Lord of Kobol.

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks This is my third response, just so you can keep track. I'm wondering, are you unable to enjoy ANY kind of story that involves mysticism, magick, God, religion, etc.? What about The Odyssey? What about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which never answers the "God" question but reveals the existence of various gods, demons, spirits, etc. that all impact the story? Are you judging all of these things based solely on their non-scientific content and not on characterization/plot/themes, etc.?

[dumbnetworks]

@waterkeeper511 Well no.. I don't judge those movies. I am judging this one because of what I told you. They put god and angels there just to end the movie somehow. Shows very lazy approach, thats all. Its the easiest thing to put god in the ecuation, especially in a SCI-FI movie and its wrong on many ways. I would loved to see something original, something for 21 century.

[waterkeeper511]

@dumbnetworks But God and the angels were a part of the show since the beginning. Head Six told Baltar in SEASON 2 that she was an angel of God. Roslin had visions and the Tomb of Athena opened the pathway to Earth. In season 3, Kara experienced an encounter with an angel posing as Leoben before she died. In season 4, Six/Athena/Roslin shared dreams. Mysticism and God were ALWAYS part of the show. It wasn't put there to end it. It was always there. The show was always about the Cylon/Kobol Gods.

[dumbnetworks]

@waterkeeper511 OK I understand what you say.. wtf! Look... Of course religion was present! but not AS A STATEMENT THAT IS TRUE! as in the end of the show!. I percieved it as a human approach to unknown phenomenons, the same as in real life. But when the put it in the end as something real, made me sick. The stupidity of writers in hollywood is reaching the skies. and certanly god isn't up there to hit him with it.

[444x4]

@dumbnetworks already in season 1 and 2 messenger six knew things that had not happened yet, or Baltar knew about. It just grew and became a lot bigger in season 3 and 4.

Also the purpose of science fiction is to introduce scientific or technological novelties in order to create narratives that enable us to perceive everyday reality at a reflective distance.

[dumbnetworks]

@444x4 "six knew things that had not happened yet" yes and it was interesting and though provoking, but later in the end "it was explained" in prehistoric, superficial, superstitious gibberish.

[Pwells1]

@dumbnetworks Also I'm curious as to why you think you have the right to comment and I don't. Someone has a lot of growing up to do.

[Krullel]

Ok, that was actually pretty funny :) but it wasn't a Frakkin' "deus ex machina". That ending fit perfectly to the series. What would you have done? There's a plan for everything and everyone. Sometimes we have angels to guide some of us.

[thomasbuffet]

Brilliant.

[Carengodt]

Also, if Starbuck was supposed to be an angel why didn't we see her together with the angel versions of Baltar and six considering all 3 were meant to be a part of God's plan ?

[tybash]

@Carengodt

God's plan was a crappy plan.

The writers got lazy.

[Carengodt]

Absolutely hilarious ! The ending proposed interesting ideas but the execution of the details did not live up to the promise or the characters.

[eddiesocket]

It's not a Dues ex machina when God was a huge part of the story all along.

[CymruAlteran]

hahaha lol

[CPFZeruel]

The expressions are priceless. LMAO!

[eddiegraphico]

OMG! LOL! GENIUS!

[LaLaBouBou]

Hahaha Epic !!

[FanaticalMusicFan]

Really brilliant!

[TheSeventhStooge]

Very funny clip! Nicely done!

Could someone out there help me on one issue that I never felt was resolved in the last several episodes and especiallly this one? Who or what exactly was Starbuck? It never seemed like this was answered but maybe you guys saw something that i didn't Could anyone help me on this? Thanks!

[20thcentury]

It was hinted at that she was a hybrid, like hera, her father being the cylon known as daniel, which came to her as the "piano-guy", put down on caprica like saul and the other without his memory, and with so rapid age acceleration and genetic destruction that ressurection didn't work after a while. Starbuck apparently really died in the gas-giant, but was ressurected by this "god" figure...

[20thcentury]

As a side note; the show originally intended to go with the battlestar 1970's solution to the gods: that they were just a very advansed species, with "magical" technology (you can see this in the first season during their short stay on kobol and in the opera house) the original starbuck (dirk benedict) from the 70's was going to appear before baltar like a sigar-smoking cylon "god" ;)

[TheSeventhStooge]

I haven't bought season 4.5 yet so I will be doing so soon. I probably missed all of that when I was watching on Sci-Fi so perhaps I just need to watch it again. Thanks for the assist!

[Pwells1]

@20thcentury Starbuck's father was not named Daniel, and it was never hinted that her father was a Cylon.

[jamecave]

I believe Starbuck is what is considered an 'angel'...a being of light who can transcend time and space...and who is just an evolved 'human.' If you watch the original BSG, they run across the beings of light who basically say they are brothers and that they are just eons evolved from where the BSG crew from the original series was.

[jamecave]

At the end of the series on the final shot with Six and Baltar is that they both wore black and red and when Six makes a reference to god, baltar says 'he does not like it when you refer to him with that name'...that most likely means that they are devils and are working under 'satan.' in the original series also, they run into 'satan' on a planet. If you also notice, whenever Six wore red in the series when talking to Baltar, she was trying to persuade him into doing mischievous things.

[TheSeventhStooge]

If that is the case, then that definitely is an interesting twist. Here you have "Six" speaking to Baltar in a manner which I didn't really take to be diabolical, and yet she may have been a "devil" of sort. Hmm. I may have to put in the whole series and watch it again with a different viewpoint. Thanks for the tip!

[jamecave]

Well here's something else I found when I was watching them. Do you remember the episode when the 'six' comes on the Galatica to implicate Baltar until he repents. That Six basically at the end of the episode just ups and disappears around the corner. Just like Starbuck did in the final episode. POOF. Since that Six was trying to implicate Baltar and turn him in for his crimes, it's almost like she was an Angel like Kara. So Im wondering if those 2 are 'angels' and the other two are devils.

[TheSeventhStooge]

She did disappear; hmm... I never thought of there being "another angel" of sorts that might have boarded Galactica at that time. Well, thanks a lot, Jamecave. Now i am going to have to watch all the episodes again!  LOL

[MisterRandom2]

Actually the Shelley Godfrey was real. "The Plan" shows what really happens to her (Spoilers: Cavil flushes her out an airlock)

[Unclesamslair]

yeah, they totally fucked that over with "The Plan"

[eddiesocket]

@jamecave

No, their whole point was to lead the humans and Cylons to Earth and their salvation. They were good.

[nehorlavazapalka]

yes, the ending finally got what it deserved!

[Darsched]

I would have shot or strangled Starbuck with my own hands, had she done such an annoying disappearing act :P

[TheoryInSplitting]

I was wondering what was going to happen. *HEE HEE*

[gravisan]

zomg, the cylon is marching down the hill!!!

[pennyfeline]

*snort* Good one!

[Quasty]

lmao this is great ^^

[Stingmon21]

very funny.