"Apostle" Fred Price Sr's Ever Increasing Fallacies 3: Jesus Committed Suicide??

[undergroundtreasure]

I have been watching all your videos on this subject - YOU pick on FRED PRICE for belittling the people, - BUT THEN YOU BELITTLE HIM (HMMM ) WHATS THAT WORD IM LOOKING FOR ??? ( OH YEA ) HYPOCRITE !!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@undergroundtreasure Ok, let me get this straight. Fred Price Sr. just taught a horrible heresy/false teaching, saying that Jesus committed suicide, and YOU only want to find fault with me for rightly correcting his false teaching according to Scripture? What's the word I'm looking for? Oh yeah, Pharisee...straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.

[undergroundtreasure]

@CRoadwarrior ( actually ) WHAT you are saying about FRED PRICES statements , I agree with you ( 100 % ) BUT now that I've seen that picture ( DUDE ) YOU got me laughing !!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@undergroundtreasure That's good. I actually like brother Price, but wrong is wrong, no matter who it comes from, and we need to hold each other accountable for what we say that affects people's lives. The level of pride in this man seems to be very disturbing, as the clips show. Many people have tried to speak with him about his many erroneous doctrines, yet he persists in them for years. Sadly, Ecclesiastes 4:13 seems to apply to him at this point.

[bgshirt]

dang man...you talked like every 30 seconds...it would have been better to let Dr. Price's video play all the way through, and then come back and make your comments...ditto on the "long-windedness" observation, you were...thanks anyway for posting this though.

[CRoadwarrior]

@bgshirt I know I talked, but not "every 30 seconds. I don't think it would have been better to let Price play all the way through because that would have defeated the whole purpose of exposing the flaws at various points of the sermon. But that's the nature of things like this when popular preachers make this many theological errors that need to be corrected. This is why we need our ministers to attend accredited ministry schools where they can learn the basics of proper interpretation.

[CGRAY1171RELOADED]

I know we had our disagreements but I have to totally agree with your commentary... Price has one off his rocker. He uses the Webster dictionary lol a book that is less then 200 years old over the truth of the Bible. Yes we all argue over certain thin pertaining scripture but saying Jesus committed suicide is CRAZY!!!

[CRoadwarrior]

@mhprn1 Yeah, I know it was long, but so was the sermon I was commenting on. But the nature of the foolishness being taught made it necessary to make the point.

[grannysword]

I have just one more question for you CRoadwarrior. Who was Christ speaking to when he was on the cross when he said My God, my God, why hast thy forshaken me if christ himself was God?

[CRoadwarrior]

@grannysword It is clear that you do not understand the doctrine of the Trinity. Within this doctrine, there is no problem with the Son speaking with the Father. Jesus is God the Son, who can love and speak with God the Father. Very simple. There is only potentially a problem is God is NOT a triune Being.

[grannysword]

#2.......WE ALL NEED TO BE TAUGHT AND BORN AGAIN!! THE RELIGIONS OF THIS WORLD HAVE REALLY MESSED US UP!! " Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the son of God. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. ..he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1John5 EITHER WE GONNA BELIEVE GOD SENT HIMSELF TO DIE FOR SINS OR HE SENT HIS SON!

[CRoadwarrior]

@grannysword You are in error, not knowing the full counsel of God from accurate knowledge of Scripture. You also do not know the power of God, who became human in Jesus. What you need to do is study Scripture, especially the original Greek of Philippians 2:5,6, which makes it very clear that Jesus while on earth was the God-man, who was first God with the Father (John 1:1-3) who came down to dwell with us (1:14). God sent Himself in Jesus, who was ALSO His Son. Paradox, but true.

[grannysword]

JESUS IS GOD?? We need not err on this simple matter brethrens. The scriptures are very clear about the relationship between the Father and The Son. "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the HEAD of CHRIST is GOD 1Cor 11:3 "neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him"John 13:16 God raised Christ from the dead Acts 13:30 CAN GOD DIE?? Who was Christ praying to in John 17 if Christ himself was God?.....

[CRoadwarrior]

@grannysword Yes, Jesus is God the Son, as the Father Himself admitted and testified to in Hebrews 1:8. 1 Cor 11:3, John 13:16, and your misunderstanding of the facts in this issue do not disprove the MANY passages clearly demonstrating that Jesus is God (the Son).

[Gideon6640man]

@grannysword lol obviously you can't read or digram a sentence but you can take a text out of context....sad Yehsua(Jesus) is G-d and you better get used to it.

[leosamson]

Well done,CRW

[mistermiguel17]

He's the drop of cyanide in the drinking water; these folks are thirsty for God's Word and are slowly getting poisoned.....

[letitplay1]

@mistermiguel17 Just like Jim Jones.............these "zombies" would drink his cool-aide!

[mistermiguel17]

@letitplay1 sadly...yes

[NYTNinAmerica]

Listened to entire video in one sitting. OUTSTANDING JOB, my brother...

[CRoadWarrior2]

@NYTNinAmerica One sitting? Wow, you must have had some time on your hands. lol. Much appreciated.

[glt010678]

Would you allow the entire video to play first and then come back and do commentary? You've seen it in it's fullness so please allow others to do the same. Stopping and starting is very irritating. I am going to see if I can find this video elsewhere.

[CRoadWarrior2]

@glt010678 Allowing the entire video to play first would cause too much of a gap, and thus we would lose the sense of the issues that need to be raised. That's why I stop the video during the sermon to highlight problems as they come up. You can always go to his website and see it without interruption there, but my purpose is not to just play his stuff...his own website does that. My commentary in "real time" is the purpose here.

[NYTNinAmerica]

@glt010678, stop whining.

[praizequeen]

Price and many of his cohorts have been given a pass by their followers. This is why he can stand and make these ridiculous statements without being run out of town on a rail. They enjoy the gospel according to Price rather than the Gospel to Christ.

[SuperKenster1]

Frederick K. Price (Associates of Arts) has never been a scholar he actually uses his honorary Doctorate as a Working title.

[CRoadwarrior]

Ok, you 3 people who had the nerve to "dislike" this video have some issues. lol.

[GeneralDomination]

Hey CRoadwarrior, I really like your videos but I don't agree with the statement you have made in this video and others, the assumption that because someone knows hebrew or greek they must be more capable of understanding the bible. If the holy spirit is speaking to you through the scriptures it doesn't matter if it's in hebrew, greek, english, or latin. I agree that often people who take the time to learn those languages happen to be more learned than those who haven't.

[CRoadwarrior]

@GeneralDomination Glad you like the videos. I understand why you would have an issue with my statement, but it is true regardless due to the nature of how we received the Bible (originally in Hebrew and Greek), and the fact that these must be translated for those who do not know these original languages. I was not denying the Holy Spirit's ability. However, you don't learn Hebrew and Greek by osmosis, or simply because you are a Christian....

[CRoadwarrior]

@GeneralDomination .....In fact, in my early years as a new believer, I remember being given revelation on passages that I had not even read yet as I was battling a Jehovah's Witness over Scripture. So I know that the Spirit can give revelation, but you don't learn Greek and Hebrew that way. And it is a matter of basic fact that if you do know the original languages of the Bible, you can understand what's truly there better than someone who just reads an English translation.

[GeneralDomination]

@CRoadwarrior I think there are many ways to know the bible in more depth. One way is to learn the original languages which is a very good method. However another method is to study in depth details of certain passages or parables (IE proverbs 25:4 which can be seen as referring to God as a silversmith. By studying how a silversmith worked in those days one can learn that it reveals a lot about God's character). And there are other methods...

[CRoadwarrior]

@GeneralDomination Yes there are many ways to know the Bible better, but none surpass learning the original languages due to the nature of the issues. If you have languages that differ, and there must be translations, the accurate translation of the original message becomes of paramount importance. If the word "silversmith" has been mistranslated and should have been rendered "carpenter," then your study based on a mistranslation will end in flawed study.

[GeneralDomination]

@CRoadwarrior well if you read the passage even in English there'd have to be a major error in the translation because carpenters don't need dross removed from their material and silver is the material presented not wood. Understanding the language is an important step in going in depth to many passages but there is no one correct way to study the bible and God didn't forget that the bible would be translated into english when He had it written.

[GeneralDomination]

@CRoadwarrior ... And by no means could you ever become so familiar with the bible through one or two methods that you simply cannot learn any more without using a third method. There's simply too much knowledge to ever soak up in one lifetime. I don't mean to in any way say that learning Hebrew and Greek is a bad idea but it's not for everyone. But my point is no matter what methods you use you should not consider them superior to other methods.

[CRoadwarrior]

@GeneralDomination The issue is not that studying the languages is the only method of study, but it is a very important part of understanding the Bible properly. No sane person who understands the issues involved could disagree with this.  I've seen so many preachers make mistakes simply because they went by a faulty translation and didn't bother to check the original Greek or Hebrew. It happened this past Sunday with "Apostle" Price. So it's very important to study before you teach.

[GeneralDomination]

@CRoadwarrior I agree that in order to understand many things in the bible you must get a more direct translation but you can get those by seeking help from someone who knows the language (like yourself) as opposed to going and learning it yourself. 1 Corinthians 12:21 seems to agree with this idea. It's better for a group of specialists to study the bible as a team than it is for a team of people who know the original languages to try and discern what the scriptures means for themselves.

[GeneralDomination]

@CRoadwarrior I agree that "Apostle" Price should have checked the original languages but that doesn't require him to actually know the languages himself. He could ask a friend in the church who knows the language to give him the proper direct translation. I think before someone gives a message that is in any way controversial (and all messages are to a point) They should check their sources and their translation as much as reasonably possible. And then be open to criticism afterwards.

[TheRegulator1984]

I was looking forward to a 10 minute breakdown. lol

[CRoadwarrior]

@TheRegulator1984 LOL....not for this nonsense. I should have given away free popcorn or this one.

[Ellie5621]

I saw Price's televised service on tv today. He read a letter one of his members wrote criticizing him 4 saying Jesus committed suicide. It was just wrong, because he read the letter to the whole church & basically mocked the person who wrote it. He didn't give her name, but w/ his tone & over the top expressions he had the whole church laughing at this women who dared to question him. Jesus didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself. There is difference & Price is wrong in A LOT of ways.

[blessedlady7]

Hi CRoadwarrior... do you think Fred Price Jr., is falling behind on his revelation messages because of money and ego?

[suaved]

Off topic question, do you believe in Apostolic Succession, CRoadwarrior?

[CRoadwarrior]

@suaved That depends on what you mean and how you understand it.

[JaelSister]

Having grown up in a church like this, I dread to think how the letter writer and the people who stood and their families will be treated following this. This type of behaviour is spiritual abuse. To take a letter, written privately to a pastor addressing concerns, and to read it before thousands, demand that people stand before thousands, with no ability to speak, and then after this to vilify those people:this is manipulative and abusive. He has the nerve to say they are the ones out of line?

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister Yeah, how they will be treated is a concern. But even with that, my concern is why more of the people who ALSO had concerns were not willing to stand up or write. That's an unhealthy environment when people are SO afraid to stand up for truth that they don't even stand up in his church when asked to. 

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior I guess there wouldn't be many martyrs anymore. You're right. It's concerning. But it also speaks of the lack of love for each other, when people will not stand with each other, quite prepared to let their 'friends' take the heat.

BTW I have opened my big mouth and 'stood up' when asked, so to speak. The results are not pleasant. But I guess Jesus never promised us a comfortable life, but a life blessed with Him in it! He is to be our treasure!

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister By the way, I am about to do a series on the topic of reparations for African Americans for slavery and its after affects. What do you think on that topic?

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior Well, I'm one of the whitest people you'll ever see lol. I can't even tan, just stay this lovely maggot colour. & I'm a Brit, so I can't really comment indepth. But the city I live in was the main city used to transport slaves to US, & many street names bear the hallmarks of slavery. My city's reparations have been efforts to actively promote diversity and to make racial discrimination difficult. Making sure all races have equality seems to be the best kick in the teeth to slavery

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister Ah, I see. The issue has been in my mind for years, but after doing some basic late research, and finding out that a bill has been introduced in the US House of Representatives to Study the issue of reparations and make recommendations. The bill was called H.R. 40, and Rep. Conyers has introduced it since 89. So far, it has not gotten far, but he and others are being persistent. So watch for that series on the topic.

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior So, is it a good idea? American politics always looks strange to me, I suppose because we just do things differently over here. What I have seen, such as the percentage of young African American men imprisoned in US, seems appalling. To an outsider, it looks as though racism is still rampent, even in the official systems. Anything that would address the balance would have to be a good thing surely? And our God is a God of justice

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister Yes, indeed it's a good idea. And it is something that needs to be addressed and not pushed aside. So I'm about to deal with that topic as well.

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior Well, I look forward to it! It will be educational for this european. I also wonder if a genuine reparation, that resulted in real change for disenfranchised people, would help people out of things like the BHI. So many of those guys just sound like angry young men, desperate to unite together and have some identity and importance and belonging. Perhaps if there was real equality of opportunity, they'd not be easy prey to BHI teachers.

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister Absolutely. I had been thinking about the same thing. Part of why we have so many angry people in such cults is because of the injustices and inequities that still remain as the remains of slavery, segregation, and discrimination. So if justice comes in the form of an official apology AND economic action, such people will have no argument to justify the anger. We have come far, but not far enough. Try to watch the video "Traces of the Trade."  It is amazing.

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior I discovered to day that one of my FB friends is the sister of the guy who made the 'ieosus not in sinaiticus' video. She was really mad at me for saying the video was factually incorrect. In their case, the superficial, sloppy thinking isn't causing them a problem. But I got to thinking; it's that type of superficial,pre-suppositional,­selective bible interpretation that people used to decide the bible supported enslaving the "children of Ham". Challenging this thinking's important

[CRoadwarrior]

@JaelSister Amen. That's interesting. But no matter how mad people might get, the fact is, if you are wrong, you're wrong. And honest people who say they serve "the Most High" need to drop the lies and continue to seek truth.

[JaelSister]

@CRoadwarrior LOL, if only it were that simple! People keen to admit they're mistaken. You're doing a good job here though brother. Bringing correction with facts and evidence, yet with humility also. Hopefully it is taking root in hearts despite the pride.

I can only see minute long clips of Traces of the Trade. But if I find it, will definitely check it out

[HusbandandWifeShow]

@CRoadwarrior...because of mental slavery. Slavery is 90% mental. If I'm not mistaken, it can get real ugly when you approach them concerning their errors in the word. I'll also go on record as saying that Black folk, collectively, can be just as racist as those they accuse of the same behavior. They'd rather stay with a 'Black' pastor, even if it means breaking the chains that bind. Since when does the 'Word' matter? Sabbaths are the most segregated days.

Dee

[CRoadwarrior]

@HusbandandWifeShow Yes, some slavery is mental, but when the outside effects of slavery keep you bound economically, then that affects generations of a people. So mental is one thing, but that economical is part of what's killing us today.

[HusbandandWifeShow]

@CRoadwarrior...again, it all stems from mentality. Changing the thought process is first, then the rest will follow. Ignorance breeds poverty.

D

[CRoadwarrior]

@HusbandandWifeShow I don't know if you can say it "all" stems from mentality. But there are some ignorant folks that aren't poor. So it's not all about ignorance. This is a multi-faceted issue.

[HusbandandWifeShow]

@CRoadwarrior...I already stated '90%', so obviously we agree.

Stay safe...

D

[I21GenieLee]

Wow I'm blown away..this was scary..the way Price responded..it was like a cult leader attempting to pump fear n the masses because a few were trying to think for themselves! The attitude that I have noticed from these faith guys are ones that don't accept correction...that's not the Holy Spirit ..awesome video,Warrior..and thumbs up to the 2 that stood up..maybe he will go home and study.We r in big trouble when the apostle responds"I said I believe .." in response to biblical correction.

[Wrangler7559]

@CRoadwarrior

Now i am not against having church buildings.. but I am against these massive.. huge overhead.. extravigent church's.. I hope i didn't just contradict myself.. but BASICALLY.. I don't like these huge massive church's.. the money used to maintain those buildings.. could be used to help feed people, or create an opportunity to talk about God to people

[CRoadwarrior]

@Wrangler7559 Generally I agree with you. That's how I have felt for years about the Crystal Cathedral. Yes, the people need buildings to operate in, but we don't have to waste money and be extravagant.

[Wrangler7559]

@CRoadwarrior

Where in the Bible does a church HAVE to be a building??? I see these extravigant Church buildings.. you know, this idea of "build it an they will come" is outdated and ineffective.. Why not we all be the church and go OUT TO people.. YOu don't have to have a huge building to have church.. The bible says "where 3 or more gather, I am there" (I am paraphrasing).. but maybe I am just ignorant of a piece of information

[Wrangler7559]

CRoadwarrior

You know, I think this so called "Apostle" has a serious issue with pride and arrogance. "Power Corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".. Brother Arthur, I see a man that has thousands attend his church.. do you think there comes a point where he thinks "Ya.. I am an Apostle.. I have people follow my interpretation of scripture.. I am above correction because of who I am." Apostle Rice has become dangerous in his teaching.. I think his heart is closed.. by his choices..

[Rexlove1]

Thank you for posting CR. My dad saw these episodes and asked me questions about the spiritual death between the Gethsemane and Calvary, I told him no such thing happened.  I told him that Fred Price is dangerous and to always check scripture before accepting anything that he says.

[pinolero13]

"aint that cute"got the family all up in the business" lmao

[CRoadwarrior]

@pinolero13 Yeah, I thought it was funny to hear "daddy" in there.

[pinolero13]

@CRoadwarrior yeah,sad thing is that these kids dont know that their dads are lying to the people

[CRoadwarrior]

@pinolero13 I would say he's misguided. Lying implies he's telling an untrue on purpose. You can speak a lie thinking it's true because you are merely misinformed for some reason. Price simply misread the texts. Anyone can do that, but it makes no sense to continue in error when people SHOW you that you are in error. That is when insanity comes in.

[pinolero13]

@CRoadwarrior yeah thats true,just as long he recognizes his errors its all good

[CRoadwarrior]

@CHRISTIANchickTV Thanks. It really saddens me that I even HAVE to make a video about this. It's one thing to make a mistake in Hebrew or Greek, but to make a basic mistake in reading plain English, that is incredibly bad. Instead of wasting money on expensive cars, it appears Price should have been paying for a quality Bible education.

[vekl]

Awesome explanation of the difference between homicide and suicide.. Brother, you've made it even more clearer now. God bless you, brother and please keep up the good work! Call you soon.

[CRoadwarrior]

@vekl Thanks, brother.