they don't need to nurture their own, they could just consume-consume-consume by pirating the supposedly expensive pop culture. The danger of this is massive, it could impact cultural confidence, sense of respect, sense of entitlement, how people reward each other, the economy, everything that matters.
Farmers could decide not to sell if buyers' price is too low, but content creators can't. This is the purpose of IP Law to enable contents to be treated as if they're things. If you neglect this issue... than it might lead to abandoning of local artists.
Take a look at third world countries, take a look at Indonesia, when they disrespect IP, local creators are being abandoned for something more pop. Because people don't care about nurturing their own.
The actual dollar amount being taken out of the industry is WAY to obscure to name @FrankiePhoenix Because as my friends, who currently work in the music industry, state, its also publicity, because if one downloads an obscure song from an obscure band, that band can then be heard in areas that they do not frequent. This is part of how the Small Town Band from Ohio is very popular in Europe, and the downloads and sales over there have increased for them, and made them money.
The music and everything being downloaded is the biggest form of robbery going on in the country it takes away litterally hundreds of thousands, even millions away from music writiers and movie directors and all that, sure alot of them still have alot of money but most musicians still struggle even if they are world famous because of this
@FrankiePhoenix "Intellectual property", well, isn't! And since copyrighted works isn't the same thing as property, but rather a monopoly of certain rights, how can it be stealing? You're not stealing anything. The only thing you're taking away is potential profits - which won't happen either way...
@wertigon yeahh that is a good point but many musicians struggle, even though it really doesnt seem like it. Im not talking about pop and rap because those people are obviously loved by most of the population, but every other type of music in the shadows of these musics struggle because of that, they only get like $1m from the record company to make the songs and videos, which u need that money to pay people for it.
@mattliek didnt say you liked it sorry if it seemed like i implied that. i was just saying in general, steal that bullshit since its worthless music, you sir are awesome for buying records and cds when you can and i wish more people were like you. but most simply say fuck the world and download everything they want which is a damn shame
@mattliek im in the industry and have lots of friends who are musicians, they have to tour constantly if they want to make a living off their music. and its not easy liek you might think so i just take personal offense when the subject comes up, im sorry for freaking out. im gonna calm down on the issue, steal from jay-z if you want, got no problems with any top 40 bs gettin downloaded its mostly when i see my friends songs on youtube with 100k views and people askin to download it free...
KNow what the crime would be if you download something? The cost of the item, why go to jail for 5 years and fined 250,000 dollars when you download a 10 dollar movie? You should be find 10 dollars.
also all the comments asking where they can download the song.... GO TO ITUNES AND PAY THE 1$ you will feel good about yourself knowing youre helpin someone make ends meet
also not to mention the tens of thousands of engineers who have been laid off because the label either went under, or simply doesnt make any money any more. gettin music for free means your taking from hundreds of different people, now the youtube sharing thing is annoying, people should be able to use songs in videos, sure why not. but when a friend of mine has had a song uploaded by someone else with 100k views, thats money taken from someone i know.
okay let me get this straight. you people think music should be free? how on earth does that make sense? musicians put their heart into what they make and play so the can make ends meet and not have to work other jobs, then people just say fuck them and steal the song anyway... i cant understand how you can say "fuck em" to a persons lively hood. now im not talkin about jayz or anything top 40, but the normal artists who are also gettin raped by illegal copies
@shinypro86 how am i dumb sir? i work in the music business, i meet artists and producers every day, and when someone says that my business should go fuck itself im gonna take offense... barely anyone makes major profit in this industry and ive seen so many people get laid off its saddens me. sorry you think im stupid
LOL you only say that because i can argue better than you.
I bet you're not used to that aren't you little girl:)
All joking aside, we live in a society, if people in that society start to rebel, then they need to be removed out of that society so that the society itself can move on.
So in words you understand, If you don't like it, then get the fuck out.
i may sound like a sheep...but I agree with dan on this one..."This video has been removed due to a copyright claim from *Insert Money Grabbing Corporate Bastards Name here*" is the most annoying phrase on youtube and it prevents freedom of use and sharing of media.
@kvj1989 Try using arguments instead of insults, it makes you seem like you actually know what you're talking about. Obviously, you don't, seeing as artists really don't make much off of their music, which is why they do tours. Touring and appearance fees are how most artists make their money. Now, unless you've just been hiding your intelligence behind your 12-year-old insults, shut up.
the thing is as well, if you download lots of music, you could own the right to listen to that music there for torrenting it is not illegal. When you buy a CD you purchase the right to listen to that music, not the copies on the CD. I could buy a CD, toss the receipt and the CD in the bin and legally go home and download that CD off the Internet or have a friend send me all the songs etc etc
Many excellent points well made, but I feel I have something to add - giving away stuff for FREE is actually a fantastic business model in its own right. If you give stuff away for free, you can more easily build up a fanbase/audience. Once you have an audience, you can sell stuff to them (not for free) more easily. There are loads of examples of this model in action, it works fantastically well, and I feel it's particularly applicable to music.
I HAVE A SOLUTION what if media was sold to a vendor (like itunes), and the creator charged a monthly/yearly fee to them for releasing their media to the public? the way itunes would make money is through ads (set up with a similar concept to youtube's ad system). then that media could be released to the pubic for free while everyone else still makes money, thus eliminating the issue of piracy. many companies do this; their service is free, and ads pay for the costs+profit (ex facebook, youtube)
I find that it should indeed be legalized. Yes I share quite a lot of content, but in the same time I also buy many of the movies/cd´s and books. because sometimes I find the price to high, especially when im not sure if i like it in the first ptlace. If i like it enough ill buy the movie or cd or book, if i don't i delete the movie since i wont be watching it any time soon again...
go option 3!! also I'd like to add that copying of music in not a new phenoniminon- in you old days people recorded off the radio and produced mix-tapes which people could still do now and not be monitered
In Sweden we have a law called IPRED. It basically makes it legal for the government to monitor everybodys internet history. They can now contact our Internet Service Providers (ISP) and ask to get their logfiles. This law was created about 2 years ago, and strangely enough, nothing has changed! People still download insanely much movies etc.
@NikkexD, Dont forget that the owners (the big record companies etc.) are allowed to "blackmail" people, They are allowed to send mail home a bill requesting money to people who they think/say have illegally downloaded their products. You can either pay or go to court against them... All this without having to contact the police or even verify with the police/government .
Sounds like fun right? I'm glad we are living in a free democracy... Oh wait.
You didn't really come up with a solution, Dan, you just said "Legalize it, then everybody can download it legally instead". What about the artists? They will make even less money if they were to legalize pirating. What's your opinion on that? They must be able to make a living of their work too. I'm writing an article about this for school and i'd really like your opinion on this! Thanks!
@NikkexD IMHO Dan's solution to decriminalize sharing of media is a good idea. If a band is good enough, or a singer, etc., they WILL make money. It could be limited to not being allowed to move them to i-tunes, etc. if SOMEBODY BUYS IT, it should be sharable MANUALLY, not through posting it on a site.
@NikkexD They have other revenue streams apart from the commercial retail sales of their CDs/iTunes. For example, tours, concerts, website advertising revenue, merchandise, movie cameo's, x factor/american idol judges etc etc.
We don't have a store that sells legal DVD, so everybody buys pirates and nobody feels bad about it i mean i even have my thousands of pirate dvd's in my living room. And well here it's commun to donwload "ileggal" music and nobody gives a damm -tough there are stores that sell legal cds-
Dan never said that paying for media should be removed, at least 1 person would need to buy that media for it to be spread out as a torrent and if you really want to you could still pay.
In my mind the issue here is not one of "civil liberties" or "antiquated business models" but one of the artists being able to make any money from their work at all. Are you really saying that you think it is OK for artists to spend time and money producing records and then the consumer to download it for free, without so much as acknowledging the time and work put into the production? As someone who wants to go into the music industry this worries me.
I'm in the midst of recording an album with my band. We've managed to work out an extremely good deal: It will only cost us $1,300 to produce. Would you say that it should be legal for people to download my music for free from a site? Is that really how you want the industry to run? Because if it goes that way, we will VERY QUICKLY run into a REAL problem with small-time bands being able to make any record of their artistic effort.
@wordsofjed No not really, piracy isnt the problem for small artists, obscurity is. A lot of artists give away their music for free, have their music as free downloads from sites or upload the torrents themselves to get their art out there and be known, then when theyre big they will still make money from people who buy cds, itunes sales and concert tickets, watch the south park episode about christian rock and moop. All the music business lessons you will need.
@SXGi1b0 I'd say that obscurity and piracy can BOTH be problems. It doesn't have to be as simple as one problem or another. Also, prominence/obscurity is largely dependent on luck (though widely distributing your music doesn't hurt, either). And it's hard to take that chance on getting lucky and getting famous when you're putting out your first album, so putting it out for free isn't really economically valid.
I agree with you Dan, but you are saying that if should be legal to put any music in the background of your videos. You do make money off of them, but you are not paying them. If you buy the music, then sure, I think you should be able to use it, but if you pirate it - then it shouldn't. Because then the artist gets no money at all. And I'm not saying this for huge bands, I am saying this for indie artist, movie makers, or game developers.
Corporations do not care about our Civil Liberties. Our browsing history and other things can be monitored if a corporation suspects you of piracy. For example, when you download a torrent, you might not realize that one of the torrent "trackers" is actually, let's say, Warner Brothers, and they just tracked your download and will contact your ISP to send you a "cease and desist" letter of sorts.
I pirate anyway. And if the business dies, I know I just helped kill it. Too bad.
I don't understand your reference but why am I the crazy one? all it takes is a little hacking on a good processor, and they have the patriot act to cover their asses so why am I the crazy one?
No one made a fuss like this as far as I can remember about people recording shows on VHS and watching them later. Or a mixed cassette tape made from the radio. In my opinion it is the same thing. Also by the standards some of these companies live by wouldn't watching a movie you don't own at a friends house be the just as bad as downloading it? These companies are insane. I am proud mediacom denies me service for my great acts of piracy.
I hate the YouTube comment character limit, so I can't really say all I want to say... But I'll make it short, and say that I agree, for the most part. People however should not pirate for the sake of doing it, if it's available on a site like Hulu, then they should go there instead. It's free and legal. But let's say it's a foreign show, which isn't licensed in your country, and you watch an illegal fansub. That should be okay, but only if there is no legal subtitle version. That's what I mean.
Personally I have no problem with downloading files, but you can't justify it morally simply because it is widespread practice.
This would be using the same logic that the recent mobs in London used when raiding shop stores- everyone else is doing it, I am unlikely to get caught, therefore somehow it is ok.
Most crimes, if everyone did them, would not be preventable, due to the restrictions of enforcement, but this does not make them morally acceptable. You need to argue it from a moral angle.
Every song you download illegally gets you 10 years and or 10,000 dollar fine. of course you wouldn't actually serve that, they'd throw you a plea-bargin. say you're guilty and you'll get 6 months. talk about stupid.
The only way to 'fix' the pirating problem is to have artists and musicians follow the YouTube Partners Program model. This would give consumers better quality free content (compared to pirated stuff) and the artist would get more money (most artists only count on the revenue from live performances). It's a win-win.
@cperalta92 Although I think Vevo has beaten them to the punch, idk how that business model works but the money now seems to be split between youtube vevo and the artist, instead of youtube and the artist.
I think that downloading music without paying should still be illegal - even though I've done it once or twice - but file sharing should be legal. It should also be legal to cover whatever song you want or put whatever song you want in the back of youtube videos.
@ilikereesescups Well, technically, that illegally-downloaded song is coming from someone who has purchased the album and uploaded it online to SHARE with strangers. It's exactly the same as file sharing.
Well, it's actually illegal to go out it public and perform a song, unless permission has been given to you by the creator, that is illegal,but we all do it. We never get caught whether or not a cop of any sort views it. No one with do anything about it. Whether or not you're getting payed, public performances are illegal, which would seem to make music almost pointless. If they enforced this, it wouldn't make any sense.
Honestly, most bands that aren't super popular don't get much money off iTunes or anything like that. It goes to the record label/agency/database. My step-dad's band is on iTunes and like every year he gets like 10 cents. I rip albums off the internet all the time. I don't feel guilty. All publicity is good publicity. And really, I'm 16. I'm broke. I want music. I think every artist I like would respect that. Because, I have to pay for concerts to their shows, right?
nowadays musicians make most of their money from shows and gigs, some musicians even share their music for free but sell out all their gigs, so it's sort of bullshit to say they're losing money, you just have to invent new ways of getting it. who are losing money are the big labels and their big rich bosses... i just don't see how they could stop piracy, so yeah, maybe it's not "right" to download, but no-one's gonna stop.
@JAAKEL actually that's not completely true. that local music store that anyone probably has? that's probably gonna end. and ok, musicisians will perform on stage and make money out of that. but what about music on your Ipod? only live albums that nobody actually really put effort in, because it's gonna get downloaded? and how do you expect new artists to become popular? you just can't become famous by performing only live or on a tv show. just my thoughts
The problem, I think is that the business model of the record labels is antiquated. In a world with the cloud, we shouldn't have to buy physical cd's or have DRM on the files we buy from online music stores just so that we can listen (or watch) what we want when we want.
I think this was a very self centered video Dan. You looked at this more like how its your personal right to get and use music for free and how it is not the right of the government to control that. You talked about the big companies needing to find another way to make music profitable. but what about the musician Dan? I'm not even talking super stars. What about those trying to make it on a small label? Those who don't get Justin Bieber like attention. How do they make money? Selfish Dan.
I'm gonna have to disagree on this one Dan. Artists deserve to earn money when people own their art (like with music). If I illegally download an album, and so does everyone else, an artist has no way to earn money. But I think it's great when an artist decides to make their art available for free.
@friendoftheood18 The thing is, if a person really likes the product and the creator of the product it's a large chance he/she (to be politicaly correct) will buy the product even after downloading it just to be nice and support the creator.
I agree a 100%, though not perse due to threat of people checking my browsing history. Copyright laws in its origin were not designed to provide artists a source of revenue that they could leech off for the rest of their lives.. It was intended to provide artists who put the time and effort into creating something valuable the means to continue their work and thus enrich societies. It's labels who fear pirates, I know many smaller artists through downloading, not through mainstream channels.
People who make unauthorised copies or 'illegally download' media are those who wouldn't have paid for it in the first place. There are people who are willing to pay for films and music etc but the main firms in the industry are still focusing on people who just arent. It may be that the market for paid-for media is smaller than was originally thought but it's more worthwhile to capitalise on this market than doing the equivalent of passing legislation against cars to save the horseshoe industry
@HexerPsy its is illegal to send adress/ID data as a result of illegal install, unless if u agree to this (is that legal to put that in the agreement?)
police can actually look into ur PC to check for this illegal software and to see if u *provide* (read seed) the music and software (again). BUT ONLY IF they have a suspicion based on sufficient evidence.... and that is hard to get.
The reason copyright isn't enforced is because it's a CIVIL LAW.
This means that copyright isn't enforced by the law, it's enforced by the citizens that own the copyright.
If I reuploaded your video and claimed it as my own, I can only get in trouble if YOU (Dan Brown) file a copyright infringement claim (which is relatively easy to do on Youtube). That's why there's no set penalty, and instead people get sued.
1- it has some kind of moral basis (not saying that its a good or acceptable moral here).
2- it's wrong.
3- its too expensive to enforce.
4- to prevent it you'de have to attack people's personal freedoms and intrude on their personal lives.
this will fizzle out after a while the same way prohibition did(hopefully without the public enemy thing and people getting their brains blown out for downloading an MP3!)
i like the way charlieissocoollike puts it in his video on this. its like a magic mars bar that keep coming bak when u shop lift it. u are not directly taking away money from the business cause ur not stealing a physical product. it just if u dont wat there to stop being mars bars u will have to support those who make them. i think the best way to tackle copy right atm is look at it more as helping the artist as opposed to how big business see it
Incredible point about the business model being at fault here. That's the big issue - corporate power wants to do literally nothing creative, and think of no new ways in which to market their products. So they resort to forcing everyone to buy the shit the old way and just hold us all back.
generally ill download a CD from mediafire or somewhere just to listen to it, and if i like it, ill go purchase it on itunes to support the artist (and get better quality). yup.
Hmmm, so, curious. What do you think about this as far as video games? Some video games rely entirely on sales to make a profit, downloading it for free allows you to play your game if you lose the disk, but some people straight up steal the game off the internet...Thoughts?
The Pirate Party, which campaigns almost solely for the decriminalization of pirating media won almost 9% of the vote in the 2011 Berlin state election just a few days ago, winning 15 seats in their parliament. Thought you should know, if you don't already. :)
The Pirate Party, which campaigns almost solely for the decriminalization of pirating media won almost 9% of the vote in the 2011 Berlin state election just a few days ago, winning 15 seats in their parliament. Thought you should know, if you don't already. :)
@Viroquet But I don't remember the ending being there at the same time as it was orange.. but maybe I just always left the video before the ending started...
@bluespringwater That's the difference though. Cd's dvds etc actually say "for private use" and make some form of mention about not making it available for "public" use. Your friend can burn you a copy because that's a "personal" use. Once that friend starts making dozens (or hundreds or millions) of copies to distribute, it is no longer a personal use and he's pretty much broken the law. Not saying I agree with it, but I do understand what they mean.
@bluespringwater That's the difference though. Cd's dvds etc actually say "for private use" and make some form of mention about not making it available for "public" use. Your friend can burn you a copy because that's a "personal" use. Once that friend starts making dozens (or hundreds or millions) of copies to distribute, it is no longer a personal use and he's pretty much broken the law. Not saying I agree with it, but I do understand what they mean.
I myself have pirated a few video games (in Canada where I'm pretty sure that downloading and not uploading is legal) and I think that IF I had the chance and the cash, I would immediately go and buy myself a completely legal copy of VVVVVV, Limbo, Recettear, and other games. Sadly, being the low-cash 13-year-old I am, I can't always just ask my parents to make a bunch of online transactions with money I don't have.
Piracy has been going on as long as tape as been available to the general public, no doubt it also happened back when people used reel to reel tape machines. Many of these people who condemn sharing music digitally probably did it on tape back in the day. In-fact some artists encouraged it, one band released an album on cassette and placed this on the tape "Home taping is killing record industry profits! We left this side blank so you can help"
As far as I know, in Canada at least, downloading is completely legal no matter what it is, but uploading is not. So torrenting is fine. because I don't seed or upload. But oh boy if the US government got ahold of my hard drive if I lived in the states...wow...
I think FUNimation has got it right; you can watch most of the content they distribute free on their youtube channel and website! Yet, they still make money. I wonder why that is, hm? Because they are supporting the interests and practices of their customers. For me, even though I can watch it for free legally (or illegally), I'd still buy some of what the company puts out that I can afford or find; it's a new, healthy business model that people will support! Get with the program!
I think allowing piracy owuld be a good thing, mostly because well, i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get, they get rich off of making music, but if they made money by lets say... concerts or somehting, they would still make money, but they owuld make less, and that leaves more money to go around to the poor
@Arovoth "i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get"? So, if I said Sally's cooking is crap, then I could just walk into her restaurant and steal the food she made? No. Everyone earns their salary. If they're doing their job, they've earned it.
If you think certain artists don't deserve fame, vote with your wallet. But that doesn't mean you can have their CDs for free. I'm not saying the RIAA's business model is perfect, but "they earn too much" is the worst excuse for pirating.
@OhHiAndie@Arovoth For the most part, the musicians themselves make relatively little from the CD's. It's the record companies that make the most money.
@mclarke825 My point still stands -- the record companies invest time and money to promote artists. They are working.
Like I said, I don't condone what the RIAA's doing, specially when they sue regular people. They need to change their business model, stat. And I don't think pirating is 100% wrong, either. But just I don't think "record companies make too much money anyway" is a good excuse for rebelling and pirating. Makes it sounds like greed/envy is what this is about. And it's not.
@OhHiAndie can'tsay your wrong, but i cant say they dont deserve fame, i think they do, its what they do, but im sure you know that most of the singers who get rich kinda suck, i think it might be better if pirating would be allowed, i mean, we would have a lot more regular people around here
@Arovoth "i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get"? So, if I said Sally's cooking is crap, then I could just walk into her restaurant and steal the food she made? No. Everyone earns their salary. If they're doing their job, they've earned it.
If you think certain artists don't deserve fame, vote with your wallet. But that doesn't mean you can have their CDs for free. I'm not saying the RIAA's business model is perfect, but "they earn too much" is the worst excuse for pirating.
In all honesty, I find that the officially, legally distributed songs are of higher quality and better compatible with my, say, iPod than one that I get illegally. Not to mention the fear of viruses and even, as obscure as it sounds, subliminal messaging.
In Denmark it's very bad to ba aye piate..
My friends brother got a bill at what would be about 20000$ for running a website that supported illegal downloading and streaming.
sahlertz8 1 month ago
they don't need to nurture their own, they could just consume-consume-consume by pirating the supposedly expensive pop culture. The danger of this is massive, it could impact cultural confidence, sense of respect, sense of entitlement, how people reward each other, the economy, everything that matters.
Melki 3 months ago
Farmers could decide not to sell if buyers' price is too low, but content creators can't. This is the purpose of IP Law to enable contents to be treated as if they're things. If you neglect this issue... than it might lead to abandoning of local artists.
Take a look at third world countries, take a look at Indonesia, when they disrespect IP, local creators are being abandoned for something more pop. Because people don't care about nurturing their own.
Melki 3 months ago
An artist's main source of revenue has, is, and probably always will be: live shows and gigs.
pyrosulfate 3 months ago
I thought that sharing was caring...but I guess thats illegal
WideEyedWonder0726 4 months ago 2
Look at the clock behind dan.:D
CrabNaper 4 months ago 3
The actual dollar amount being taken out of the industry is WAY to obscure to name @FrankiePhoenix Because as my friends, who currently work in the music industry, state, its also publicity, because if one downloads an obscure song from an obscure band, that band can then be heard in areas that they do not frequent. This is part of how the Small Town Band from Ohio is very popular in Europe, and the downloads and sales over there have increased for them, and made them money.
LeatherAndLace2011 4 months ago
The music and everything being downloaded is the biggest form of robbery going on in the country it takes away litterally hundreds of thousands, even millions away from music writiers and movie directors and all that, sure alot of them still have alot of money but most musicians still struggle even if they are world famous because of this
FrankiePhoenix 4 months ago
@FrankiePhoenix "Intellectual property", well, isn't! And since copyrighted works isn't the same thing as property, but rather a monopoly of certain rights, how can it be stealing? You're not stealing anything. The only thing you're taking away is potential profits - which won't happen either way...
wertigon 4 months ago
@wertigon yeahh that is a good point but many musicians struggle, even though it really doesnt seem like it. Im not talking about pop and rap because those people are obviously loved by most of the population, but every other type of music in the shadows of these musics struggle because of that, they only get like $1m from the record company to make the songs and videos, which u need that money to pay people for it.
FrankiePhoenix 4 months ago
@mattliek didnt say you liked it sorry if it seemed like i implied that. i was just saying in general, steal that bullshit since its worthless music, you sir are awesome for buying records and cds when you can and i wish more people were like you. but most simply say fuck the world and download everything they want which is a damn shame
michu070 4 months ago
God I love you.
Klaymator14 4 months ago
@mattliek im in the industry and have lots of friends who are musicians, they have to tour constantly if they want to make a living off their music. and its not easy liek you might think so i just take personal offense when the subject comes up, im sorry for freaking out. im gonna calm down on the issue, steal from jay-z if you want, got no problems with any top 40 bs gettin downloaded its mostly when i see my friends songs on youtube with 100k views and people askin to download it free...
michu070 4 months ago
if they get legal access to peoples private data some hackers will create a free program to hide it :) like a proxy
cotyslick 4 months ago
KNow what the crime would be if you download something? The cost of the item, why go to jail for 5 years and fined 250,000 dollars when you download a 10 dollar movie? You should be find 10 dollars.
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also all the comments asking where they can download the song.... GO TO ITUNES AND PAY THE 1$ you will feel good about yourself knowing youre helpin someone make ends meet
michu070 4 months ago
also not to mention the tens of thousands of engineers who have been laid off because the label either went under, or simply doesnt make any money any more. gettin music for free means your taking from hundreds of different people, now the youtube sharing thing is annoying, people should be able to use songs in videos, sure why not. but when a friend of mine has had a song uploaded by someone else with 100k views, thats money taken from someone i know.
michu070 4 months ago
okay let me get this straight. you people think music should be free? how on earth does that make sense? musicians put their heart into what they make and play so the can make ends meet and not have to work other jobs, then people just say fuck them and steal the song anyway... i cant understand how you can say "fuck em" to a persons lively hood. now im not talkin about jayz or anything top 40, but the normal artists who are also gettin raped by illegal copies
michu070 4 months ago
@shinypro86 how am i dumb sir? i work in the music business, i meet artists and producers every day, and when someone says that my business should go fuck itself im gonna take offense... barely anyone makes major profit in this industry and ive seen so many people get laid off its saddens me. sorry you think im stupid
michu070 4 months ago
@michu070 it's because we need something like Spotify to take over distribution as opposed to file distribution like iTunes
Klaymator14 4 months ago
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michu070 4 months ago
I love you for this!!!!!!!!!!
luigilover48 4 months ago
@kvj1989 quit trollin and do something with your life
michu070 4 months ago
@michu070 That's your comeback?
LOL you only say that because i can argue better than you.
I bet you're not used to that aren't you little girl:)
All joking aside, we live in a society, if people in that society start to rebel, then they need to be removed out of that society so that the society itself can move on.
So in words you understand, If you don't like it, then get the fuck out.
kvj1989 4 months ago
@kvj1989 wasnt a comeback, just not entertained by your ignorant ass, good day
michu070 4 months ago
@michu070 Can't win the argument and runs away, typical:)
kvj1989 4 months ago
Oh boy trolls are at it again.
thedoctorLJ 4 months ago
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michu070 4 months ago
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@michu070 No they aren't.
When you come to me right of the bat with that big mouth of yours then expect to be treated the same way.
Yes you should go fuck yourself, because you are a fucking retard that kisses celebrity ass all day long.
I say it like it is little girl, don't like it? GET THE FUCK OUT!
Artist and alike make enough money as it is, they don't need more money.
What ''art'' they produce isn't theirs to begin with, it belongs to the fans.
We make it possible for them to exist
kvj1989 4 months ago
i may sound like a sheep...but I agree with dan on this one..."This video has been removed due to a copyright claim from *Insert Money Grabbing Corporate Bastards Name here*" is the most annoying phrase on youtube and it prevents freedom of use and sharing of media.
jjgenesis 4 months ago
@kvj1989 Try using arguments instead of insults, it makes you seem like you actually know what you're talking about. Obviously, you don't, seeing as artists really don't make much off of their music, which is why they do tours. Touring and appearance fees are how most artists make their money. Now, unless you've just been hiding your intelligence behind your 12-year-old insults, shut up.
Syaoran69 4 months ago
@Syaoran69 So this other person can call me asshole and tell me to go die?
Sorry:) that's not how it works.
Why would i argue with someone that tells me i suck right of the bat?
How can anyone argue with someone like that?
No i think i'll keep insulting people like you:)
Now fuck off before i start taking an interest in this conversation and have some fun with you.
kvj1989 4 months ago
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michu070 4 months ago
the thing is as well, if you download lots of music, you could own the right to listen to that music there for torrenting it is not illegal. When you buy a CD you purchase the right to listen to that music, not the copies on the CD. I could buy a CD, toss the receipt and the CD in the bin and legally go home and download that CD off the Internet or have a friend send me all the songs etc etc
RisefromyourGRAVE 4 months ago
Nice video! More like this =D
Many excellent points well made, but I feel I have something to add - giving away stuff for FREE is actually a fantastic business model in its own right. If you give stuff away for free, you can more easily build up a fanbase/audience. Once you have an audience, you can sell stuff to them (not for free) more easily. There are loads of examples of this model in action, it works fantastically well, and I feel it's particularly applicable to music.
OrgasmandTea 4 months ago
YES. I am so glad you think this way Dan, my respect for you just boosted by 500%.
duckypwns 4 months ago
@rcfencer it's already here and it's called spotify.
TheHenkan 4 months ago
please become the supreme judge of the usa
Hippoman141 4 months ago
"we have no obligation to maintain someone's business model for them." I like that.
sandwichperson 4 months ago
4:07. PORN. PORN EVERYWHERE.
DoomArcherx 4 months ago 30
who could change this?
- the supreme court could!
would they?
no!
why?
because the supreme court are only interested in protecting businesses
giggshenrik 4 months ago
I HAVE A SOLUTION what if media was sold to a vendor (like itunes), and the creator charged a monthly/yearly fee to them for releasing their media to the public? the way itunes would make money is through ads (set up with a similar concept to youtube's ad system). then that media could be released to the pubic for free while everyone else still makes money, thus eliminating the issue of piracy. many companies do this; their service is free, and ads pay for the costs+profit (ex facebook, youtube)
rcfencer 4 months ago
You know, I actually did click an orange button when I subscribed to you about five years ago...
15Smartie15 4 months ago
I find that it should indeed be legalized. Yes I share quite a lot of content, but in the same time I also buy many of the movies/cd´s and books. because sometimes I find the price to high, especially when im not sure if i like it in the first ptlace. If i like it enough ill buy the movie or cd or book, if i don't i delete the movie since i wont be watching it any time soon again...
EefjuH8448 4 months ago
woot woot go dan!
cballet315 4 months ago 2
go option 3!! also I'd like to add that copying of music in not a new phenoniminon- in you old days people recorded off the radio and produced mix-tapes which people could still do now and not be monitered
tehPizzachu 4 months ago
go 3
sang4399 4 months ago
'You are not going to know my browser history." you and me both Dan.
BlarghMonsta 5 months ago
In Sweden we have a law called IPRED. It basically makes it legal for the government to monitor everybodys internet history. They can now contact our Internet Service Providers (ISP) and ask to get their logfiles. This law was created about 2 years ago, and strangely enough, nothing has changed! People still download insanely much movies etc.
NikkexD 5 months ago 25
@NikkexD in america that's an invasion of privacy, but it is street knowledge that some agencies here do that anyways.
Dodge5278 5 months ago
@NikkexD, Dont forget that the owners (the big record companies etc.) are allowed to "blackmail" people, They are allowed to send mail home a bill requesting money to people who they think/say have illegally downloaded their products. You can either pay or go to court against them... All this without having to contact the police or even verify with the police/government .
Sounds like fun right? I'm glad we are living in a free democracy... Oh wait.
Xanoz84 3 months ago
You didn't really come up with a solution, Dan, you just said "Legalize it, then everybody can download it legally instead". What about the artists? They will make even less money if they were to legalize pirating. What's your opinion on that? They must be able to make a living of their work too. I'm writing an article about this for school and i'd really like your opinion on this! Thanks!
NikkexD 5 months ago
@NikkexD IMHO Dan's solution to decriminalize sharing of media is a good idea. If a band is good enough, or a singer, etc., they WILL make money. It could be limited to not being allowed to move them to i-tunes, etc. if SOMEBODY BUYS IT, it should be sharable MANUALLY, not through posting it on a site.
Dodge5278 5 months ago
@Dodge5278 Yes, but how exactly do they get money?
NikkexD 5 months ago
@NikkexD They have other revenue streams apart from the commercial retail sales of their CDs/iTunes. For example, tours, concerts, website advertising revenue, merchandise, movie cameo's, x factor/american idol judges etc etc.
SXGi1b0 4 months ago
@SXGi1b0 Ok, i see. That answered my question :)
NikkexD 4 months ago
We don't have a store that sells legal DVD, so everybody buys pirates and nobody feels bad about it i mean i even have my thousands of pirate dvd's in my living room. And well here it's commun to donwload "ileggal" music and nobody gives a damm -tough there are stores that sell legal cds-
PD: I'm from Peru yay!
adrilicious95 5 months ago
YAR HAR FIDDLE DE DEE being a pirate is alright with me, do what you wan't because pirate's are free, ewe arrrrrr a Pirate!
firebert53 5 months ago
if i was a zombie, would that really bother you? it's not like i would be hurting anyone, unless i was, in which I'm sorry :(
PocketfulOfStars1 5 months ago
Dan never said that paying for media should be removed, at least 1 person would need to buy that media for it to be spread out as a torrent and if you really want to you could still pay.
GLaDoUsWheresTheCake 5 months ago
I like the title of this video.
TheSnowballMachine 5 months ago
I think that artists changing the way that they acquire money is a good thing. Musicians make too much money and really don't help forward society.
Walking0xymoron 5 months ago
I once pulled a Jack Daniel.... *Shutters*
mcrib10 5 months ago
I've mediafired just about every album in my iTunes library.
sexyfrogsss 5 months ago
I was thinking about downloading a torrent, and now I'm like "yeah, Dan's right. I've got to be part of my generation."
High five Dan for rationalizing my illegal practices
MisterMehMehMeh 5 months ago
Lol limewire
NonSkiid 5 months ago
i actually burning a CD to my friend right now
chillermillercream 5 months ago
In my mind the issue here is not one of "civil liberties" or "antiquated business models" but one of the artists being able to make any money from their work at all. Are you really saying that you think it is OK for artists to spend time and money producing records and then the consumer to download it for free, without so much as acknowledging the time and work put into the production? As someone who wants to go into the music industry this worries me.
banny998 5 months ago
Remember guys delete ur history
MC1250 5 months ago
This is why I love this channel.
burkem13 5 months ago
I'm in the midst of recording an album with my band. We've managed to work out an extremely good deal: It will only cost us $1,300 to produce. Would you say that it should be legal for people to download my music for free from a site? Is that really how you want the industry to run? Because if it goes that way, we will VERY QUICKLY run into a REAL problem with small-time bands being able to make any record of their artistic effort.
wordsofjed 5 months ago
@wordsofjed No not really, piracy isnt the problem for small artists, obscurity is. A lot of artists give away their music for free, have their music as free downloads from sites or upload the torrents themselves to get their art out there and be known, then when theyre big they will still make money from people who buy cds, itunes sales and concert tickets, watch the south park episode about christian rock and moop. All the music business lessons you will need.
SXGi1b0 4 months ago
@SXGi1b0 I'd say that obscurity and piracy can BOTH be problems. It doesn't have to be as simple as one problem or another. Also, prominence/obscurity is largely dependent on luck (though widely distributing your music doesn't hurt, either). And it's hard to take that chance on getting lucky and getting famous when you're putting out your first album, so putting it out for free isn't really economically valid.
wordsofjed 4 months ago
Have you ever talked to Mike Lombardo about this? I bet it would be an interesting conversation.
wordsofjed 5 months ago
I agree with you Dan, but you are saying that if should be legal to put any music in the background of your videos. You do make money off of them, but you are not paying them. If you buy the music, then sure, I think you should be able to use it, but if you pirate it - then it shouldn't. Because then the artist gets no money at all. And I'm not saying this for huge bands, I am saying this for indie artist, movie makers, or game developers.
Rulerofwax24 5 months ago
Corporations do not care about our Civil Liberties. Our browsing history and other things can be monitored if a corporation suspects you of piracy. For example, when you download a torrent, you might not realize that one of the torrent "trackers" is actually, let's say, Warner Brothers, and they just tracked your download and will contact your ISP to send you a "cease and desist" letter of sorts.
I pirate anyway. And if the business dies, I know I just helped kill it. Too bad.
patryk30111 5 months ago
I only feel bad if I download stuff from small indi musicians / producers. I promised myself to stop that once I earn my own money :S.
HepheistoBD 5 months ago
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Commenter339 5 months ago
@Spasmodicstudios no that person is crazy
NOVAtheRetard 5 months ago
@Spasmodicstudios
The NSA (a government agency) can see anythign you do using a computer.
gaarasgirlfriend678 5 months ago
@gaarasgirlfriend678
No they can't, that's not even their purpose.
kindlessthing 5 months ago
@gaarasgirlfriend678 I think your tin foil hat is on too tight...
NOVAtheRetard 5 months ago
@NOVAtheRetard
I don't understand your reference but why am I the crazy one? all it takes is a little hacking on a good processor, and they have the patriot act to cover their asses so why am I the crazy one?
gaarasgirlfriend678 5 months ago
@gaarasgirlfriend678 "A little hacking on a good processor"? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
NOVAtheRetard 5 months ago
No one made a fuss like this as far as I can remember about people recording shows on VHS and watching them later. Or a mixed cassette tape made from the radio. In my opinion it is the same thing. Also by the standards some of these companies live by wouldn't watching a movie you don't own at a friends house be the just as bad as downloading it? These companies are insane. I am proud mediacom denies me service for my great acts of piracy.
Vehungon 5 months ago
dan brown for president
Miscione9 5 months ago 49
Can u imagine what a sofisticated buisness-like man would think going through some peoples brosweing history?
I think they would quit their job XD. The internet is far to insane!!!!
LakuriSyoaran 5 months ago
I hate the YouTube comment character limit, so I can't really say all I want to say... But I'll make it short, and say that I agree, for the most part. People however should not pirate for the sake of doing it, if it's available on a site like Hulu, then they should go there instead. It's free and legal. But let's say it's a foreign show, which isn't licensed in your country, and you watch an illegal fansub. That should be okay, but only if there is no legal subtitle version. That's what I mean.
shikamarusgirl17 5 months ago
talk about YOuth in ASia sorry i meant euthanasia ( I hope it is spelled right)
MegaCollinator 5 months ago
Personally I have no problem with downloading files, but you can't justify it morally simply because it is widespread practice.
This would be using the same logic that the recent mobs in London used when raiding shop stores- everyone else is doing it, I am unlikely to get caught, therefore somehow it is ok.
Most crimes, if everyone did them, would not be preventable, due to the restrictions of enforcement, but this does not make them morally acceptable. You need to argue it from a moral angle.
kijbob 5 months ago
Every song you download illegally gets you 10 years and or 10,000 dollar fine. of course you wouldn't actually serve that, they'd throw you a plea-bargin. say you're guilty and you'll get 6 months. talk about stupid.
black9897 5 months ago
I agree.!!!
black9897 5 months ago
lol, limewire!
MichaelMcgerveyFilms 5 months ago
I'm sorry Dan but I can't agree with you on this issue. To me this isn't about changes in technology it is about an artists right to their work.
Emgorse 5 months ago
I wonder why Dan doesn't want anyone seeing his browsing history? *cough cough* porn *cough*
PossumCuber 5 months ago 4
I agree with you on every point Dan.
alexandergifford 5 months ago
DAM Subscriber box! I think you should keep up these vlogs: They are great! Xx
PhilToTheMax 5 months ago
I could not agree more with you Dan. Thumbs Up, Fav. Posted on the book of the face variety.
MediaFry 5 months ago
The only way to 'fix' the pirating problem is to have artists and musicians follow the YouTube Partners Program model. This would give consumers better quality free content (compared to pirated stuff) and the artist would get more money (most artists only count on the revenue from live performances). It's a win-win.
cperalta92 5 months ago
@cperalta92 Although I think Vevo has beaten them to the punch, idk how that business model works but the money now seems to be split between youtube vevo and the artist, instead of youtube and the artist.
SXGi1b0 4 months ago
I think that downloading music without paying should still be illegal - even though I've done it once or twice - but file sharing should be legal. It should also be legal to cover whatever song you want or put whatever song you want in the back of youtube videos.
ilikereesescups 5 months ago
@ilikereesescups Well, technically, that illegally-downloaded song is coming from someone who has purchased the album and uploaded it online to SHARE with strangers. It's exactly the same as file sharing.
cperalta92 5 months ago
I think it should be legal unless the user is making money off of it.
kickers4ever 5 months ago
Well, it's actually illegal to go out it public and perform a song, unless permission has been given to you by the creator, that is illegal,but we all do it. We never get caught whether or not a cop of any sort views it. No one with do anything about it. Whether or not you're getting payed, public performances are illegal, which would seem to make music almost pointless. If they enforced this, it wouldn't make any sense.
MySecretagentman 5 months ago
Honestly, most bands that aren't super popular don't get much money off iTunes or anything like that. It goes to the record label/agency/database. My step-dad's band is on iTunes and like every year he gets like 10 cents. I rip albums off the internet all the time. I don't feel guilty. All publicity is good publicity. And really, I'm 16. I'm broke. I want music. I think every artist I like would respect that. Because, I have to pay for concerts to their shows, right?
CrayonInMyMouth 5 months ago
I like charlieissocoollike's explanation ^^ It puts it in dumb down terms for the fatty bum bums like me :)
BailsFailsMore 5 months ago 2
If you respect the artist and want to hear more from them, then you should buy their music. That's the only way you'll get more.
acchristianson 5 months ago
thumbs up for the Pirate Party
jolle146 5 months ago 110
Awesome shirt Dan
anthonykingatl 5 months ago
nowadays musicians make most of their money from shows and gigs, some musicians even share their music for free but sell out all their gigs, so it's sort of bullshit to say they're losing money, you just have to invent new ways of getting it. who are losing money are the big labels and their big rich bosses... i just don't see how they could stop piracy, so yeah, maybe it's not "right" to download, but no-one's gonna stop.
JAAKEL 5 months ago 2
@JAAKEL actually that's not completely true. that local music store that anyone probably has? that's probably gonna end. and ok, musicisians will perform on stage and make money out of that. but what about music on your Ipod? only live albums that nobody actually really put effort in, because it's gonna get downloaded? and how do you expect new artists to become popular? you just can't become famous by performing only live or on a tv show. just my thoughts
JustMatthijs1337 5 months ago
The problem, I think is that the business model of the record labels is antiquated. In a world with the cloud, we shouldn't have to buy physical cd's or have DRM on the files we buy from online music stores just so that we can listen (or watch) what we want when we want.
lornetc 5 months ago
I think this was a very self centered video Dan. You looked at this more like how its your personal right to get and use music for free and how it is not the right of the government to control that. You talked about the big companies needing to find another way to make music profitable. but what about the musician Dan? I'm not even talking super stars. What about those trying to make it on a small label? Those who don't get Justin Bieber like attention. How do they make money? Selfish Dan.
LaughingCityFilms 5 months ago 2
I'm gonna have to disagree on this one Dan. Artists deserve to earn money when people own their art (like with music). If I illegally download an album, and so does everyone else, an artist has no way to earn money. But I think it's great when an artist decides to make their art available for free.
friendoftheood18 5 months ago
@friendoftheood18 The thing is, if a person really likes the product and the creator of the product it's a large chance he/she (to be politicaly correct) will buy the product even after downloading it just to be nice and support the creator.
SteamIHeart 5 months ago
you know your stuff!!! lol and so true!
mcf7021 5 months ago
I agree a 100%, though not perse due to threat of people checking my browsing history. Copyright laws in its origin were not designed to provide artists a source of revenue that they could leech off for the rest of their lives.. It was intended to provide artists who put the time and effort into creating something valuable the means to continue their work and thus enrich societies. It's labels who fear pirates, I know many smaller artists through downloading, not through mainstream channels.
RayGroot 5 months ago
People who make unauthorised copies or 'illegally download' media are those who wouldn't have paid for it in the first place. There are people who are willing to pay for films and music etc but the main firms in the industry are still focusing on people who just arent. It may be that the market for paid-for media is smaller than was originally thought but it's more worthwhile to capitalise on this market than doing the equivalent of passing legislation against cars to save the horseshoe industry
jonnydarkmusic 5 months ago
problem is that this is a gray area in the law.
ppl were unable to copy music of their own, so there never was a law for this.
it was illegal to buy it, then resell for money.
now its currently illegal to offer the files, but its legal to download it.
u simply CANNOT be prosecuted for it, but there is a catch
software illegally installed and cracked IS illegal cuz of the agreement of use ppl tag during the install.
HexerPsy 5 months ago
@HexerPsy its is illegal to send adress/ID data as a result of illegal install, unless if u agree to this (is that legal to put that in the agreement?)
police can actually look into ur PC to check for this illegal software and to see if u *provide* (read seed) the music and software (again). BUT ONLY IF they have a suspicion based on sufficient evidence.... and that is hard to get.
HexerPsy 5 months ago
Yarr, i agree
tsilll 5 months ago
The reason copyright isn't enforced is because it's a CIVIL LAW.
This means that copyright isn't enforced by the law, it's enforced by the citizens that own the copyright.
If I reuploaded your video and claimed it as my own, I can only get in trouble if YOU (Dan Brown) file a copyright infringement claim (which is relatively easy to do on Youtube). That's why there's no set penalty, and instead people get sued.
CameronLeeCrowhurst 5 months ago 2
this is like prohibition all over again because:
1- it has some kind of moral basis (not saying that its a good or acceptable moral here).
2- it's wrong.
3- its too expensive to enforce.
4- to prevent it you'de have to attack people's personal freedoms and intrude on their personal lives.
this will fizzle out after a while the same way prohibition did(hopefully without the public enemy thing and people getting their brains blown out for downloading an MP3!)
mohamedgna 5 months ago
I think a lot of higher-ups should watch your videos!
cuberwillima 5 months ago
i like the way charlieissocoollike puts it in his video on this. its like a magic mars bar that keep coming bak when u shop lift it. u are not directly taking away money from the business cause ur not stealing a physical product. it just if u dont wat there to stop being mars bars u will have to support those who make them. i think the best way to tackle copy right atm is look at it more as helping the artist as opposed to how big business see it
theplayerhasstuff 5 months ago
10,001 :O
PunkBuster123 5 months ago
dude, i totally agree to what you said, you can use the music and not be considered a criminal unless you make money out of it
Kiwinoy724 5 months ago
10,000 viewer -^-^-
OneSourGrape 5 months ago
If you ever feel bad about pirating music or movies....watch MTV Cribs, now you dont feel bad.
Lockstin2 5 months ago 108
@Lockstin2 what if you listen to indie bands
insertnamehere001 5 months ago
@insertnamehere001 then if you have the money, support them until they get big.
Lockstin2 3 months ago
pirates ftw!
GriffinWolf2008 5 months ago
this is our ERB question
levischoeben 5 months ago
Incredible point about the business model being at fault here. That's the big issue - corporate power wants to do literally nothing creative, and think of no new ways in which to market their products. So they resort to forcing everyone to buy the shit the old way and just hold us all back.
TTEchidna 5 months ago
generally ill download a CD from mediafire or somewhere just to listen to it, and if i like it, ill go purchase it on itunes to support the artist (and get better quality). yup.
ddods14 5 months ago
Hmmm, so, curious. What do you think about this as far as video games? Some video games rely entirely on sales to make a profit, downloading it for free allows you to play your game if you lose the disk, but some people straight up steal the game off the internet...Thoughts?
dabrum2010 5 months ago
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The Pirate Party, which campaigns almost solely for the decriminalization of pirating media won almost 9% of the vote in the 2011 Berlin state election just a few days ago, winning 15 seats in their parliament. Thought you should know, if you don't already. :)
back4thefight 5 months ago
The Pirate Party, which campaigns almost solely for the decriminalization of pirating media won almost 9% of the vote in the 2011 Berlin state election just a few days ago, winning 15 seats in their parliament. Thought you should know, if you don't already. :)
back4thefight 5 months ago
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And when you're a professional pirate... You don't have to wear a suit!
aridancer14 5 months ago
And when you're a professional pirate... You don't have to wear a suit!
aridancer14 5 months ago
PORN
IdoloR 5 months ago
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Demonoid!
bluemoon4900 5 months ago
Please, tell me why you say click the orange button. I have never really understood...
randOmazing 5 months ago
@randOmazing way back in the day it was orange/yellowish
senkrad5 5 months ago
@randOmazing the subscribe button used to be orange.
Viroquet 5 months ago
@Viroquet But I don't remember the ending being there at the same time as it was orange.. but maybe I just always left the video before the ending started...
randOmazing 5 months ago
Why are there so many more commercials on Youtube lately?
enigmaticbleu 5 months ago
Watched while downloading a 20 GiB Torrent from the Pirate Bay. (:
TheFelloMello 5 months ago 3
Make your next topic a response to Cateemathews's response video!
jag519 5 months ago
Reminds me of Charlie's Mars Bars
SMFortissimo 5 months ago
While I don't think sharing of any digital content should be outright legalized, I do agree that business models need to be changed.
The government shouldn't have to change the law in order to accomodate failing business models.
JIYkp 5 months ago
I like a man who knows his Orwell.
thatguyhaspigtails 5 months ago
@bluespringwater That's the difference though. Cd's dvds etc actually say "for private use" and make some form of mention about not making it available for "public" use. Your friend can burn you a copy because that's a "personal" use. Once that friend starts making dozens (or hundreds or millions) of copies to distribute, it is no longer a personal use and he's pretty much broken the law. Not saying I agree with it, but I do understand what they mean.
noose357 5 months ago
@bluespringwater That's the difference though. Cd's dvds etc actually say "for private use" and make some form of mention about not making it available for "public" use. Your friend can burn you a copy because that's a "personal" use. Once that friend starts making dozens (or hundreds or millions) of copies to distribute, it is no longer a personal use and he's pretty much broken the law. Not saying I agree with it, but I do understand what they mean.
noose357 5 months ago
all music should be free
dudeitsme333 5 months ago
Favorited.
TheNewWrKing1 5 months ago
I myself have pirated a few video games (in Canada where I'm pretty sure that downloading and not uploading is legal) and I think that IF I had the chance and the cash, I would immediately go and buy myself a completely legal copy of VVVVVV, Limbo, Recettear, and other games. Sadly, being the low-cash 13-year-old I am, I can't always just ask my parents to make a bunch of online transactions with money I don't have.
WhoWatchesVideos 5 months ago
Piracy has been going on as long as tape as been available to the general public, no doubt it also happened back when people used reel to reel tape machines. Many of these people who condemn sharing music digitally probably did it on tape back in the day. In-fact some artists encouraged it, one band released an album on cassette and placed this on the tape "Home taping is killing record industry profits! We left this side blank so you can help"
sgtelzilcho 5 months ago
As far as I know, in Canada at least, downloading is completely legal no matter what it is, but uploading is not. So torrenting is fine. because I don't seed or upload. But oh boy if the US government got ahold of my hard drive if I lived in the states...wow...
theonlydoberman211 5 months ago
I think FUNimation has got it right; you can watch most of the content they distribute free on their youtube channel and website! Yet, they still make money. I wonder why that is, hm? Because they are supporting the interests and practices of their customers. For me, even though I can watch it for free legally (or illegally), I'd still buy some of what the company puts out that I can afford or find; it's a new, healthy business model that people will support! Get with the program!
TheWeirdoClub 5 months ago
I think allowing piracy owuld be a good thing, mostly because well, i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get, they get rich off of making music, but if they made money by lets say... concerts or somehting, they would still make money, but they owuld make less, and that leaves more money to go around to the poor
Arovoth 5 months ago
@Arovoth "i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get"? So, if I said Sally's cooking is crap, then I could just walk into her restaurant and steal the food she made? No. Everyone earns their salary. If they're doing their job, they've earned it.
If you think certain artists don't deserve fame, vote with your wallet. But that doesn't mean you can have their CDs for free. I'm not saying the RIAA's business model is perfect, but "they earn too much" is the worst excuse for pirating.
OhHiAndie 5 months ago
@OhHiAndie @Arovoth For the most part, the musicians themselves make relatively little from the CD's. It's the record companies that make the most money.
mclarke825 5 months ago
@mclarke825 My point still stands -- the record companies invest time and money to promote artists. They are working.
Like I said, I don't condone what the RIAA's doing, specially when they sue regular people. They need to change their business model, stat. And I don't think pirating is 100% wrong, either. But just I don't think "record companies make too much money anyway" is a good excuse for rebelling and pirating. Makes it sounds like greed/envy is what this is about. And it's not.
OhHiAndie 5 months ago
@OhHiAndie can'tsay your wrong, but i cant say they dont deserve fame, i think they do, its what they do, but im sure you know that most of the singers who get rich kinda suck, i think it might be better if pirating would be allowed, i mean, we would have a lot more regular people around here
Arovoth 5 months ago
@Arovoth "i dont think musicians deserve all themoney they get"? So, if I said Sally's cooking is crap, then I could just walk into her restaurant and steal the food she made? No. Everyone earns their salary. If they're doing their job, they've earned it.
If you think certain artists don't deserve fame, vote with your wallet. But that doesn't mean you can have their CDs for free. I'm not saying the RIAA's business model is perfect, but "they earn too much" is the worst excuse for pirating.
OhHiAndie 5 months ago
In all honesty, I find that the officially, legally distributed songs are of higher quality and better compatible with my, say, iPod than one that I get illegally. Not to mention the fear of viruses and even, as obscure as it sounds, subliminal messaging.
randomxfirerecording 5 months ago