RX53COJ Dangerous Driving at A3 A23 CS7 Junction

[angel1983627]

@phonemikey The Roadside traffic police sent me a letter stating that someone had uploaded my details onto youtube, not once did they state I had made any driving offence.

[johng6715]

What he should have done “Common sense/highway code” used the cycle lane, when on the straight “looked behind him” allowed overtaking vehicle to pass, indicated and then overtook SAFELY with no conflict. Why when you cycle and put on a helmet cam you become naïve aggressive riders and put yourself in dangerous situations??? Be safe , life is more precious than proving a point , you are very vulnerable road users. . 

[paulj256]

@RUDEI30Y So these cyclists undertake you at the next lights? Do you not see the irony in then complaining that they hold you up? (Hint: if they catch you at the next lights, then their average speed is actually the same as yours - indeed its faster. I.e. you are NOT faster than them, so why don't you just do your blood pressure a favour and chill?)

[johng6715]

Let me give you a lesson as the cyclists on here seem to have no common sense and think they are special people . “Highway Code” 167.”Do not overtake , if you might come into conflict with other road users” 67 and be aware of traffic coming up behind you , 162, made sure other road users were not beginning to overtake you 168, made sure you do not obstruct him , 61 –63 advises you to use the facilities “ Cycle lane” because its Safer

[CyclingMikey]

@johng6715 Stop reposting rubbish, John. Your comments are not based on what is in the video.

[mycommutetowork]

These comments go into the hall of fame I think

[SkrzypczykBass]

What a complete cockwomble! As far as your position goes that's pretty much the line I would have taken from there to head down the A3. It's a PITA turn and you have to ride assertively to try and mitigate against the sort of driving shown here. Unfortunately that isn't always enough....

[johng6715]

As a cyclist You Are Not Exempt from the Highway Code as well as the car , you were overtaking and you did not look behind you to see if someone had not started to overtake you , very basic rule that a lot of cyclists break . The car was warning you , your maneuver was putting you into a dangerous position, that could have been avoided by following the basis rule of looking behind you 162 + 163 Common sense needs also to come into play if you do not understand the highway code applies to you

[CycleMan2200]

What. The .Fuck.

[TheAegisClaw]

Wow, funny comments, how to win friends and influence people by angel1983627... what an idiot!

[CJBrewification]

@10lx Exactly. The more I see bad driving like that the more I wonder whether powerful cars should even be legal. There are almost no reasons why high acceleration is a safety feature. A good driver should not get into a situation where they need to "accelerate out of danger".

[Genoxide85]

I drive down this road everyday, there are 2 lanes there which means there is enough for 2 cyclists side by side and a car in the other lane. Either you were cycling very close or on the other lane or that driver needs more than one lane and from the looks of it it seems you were giving more than enough space to the other cyclist putting your life at risk, in the future be more patient and don't overtake the slower cyclist until its clear.

[westcountrytim]

@Genoxide85 The trouble is the blue superhighway bike lane drifts into the left turn lane, before disapearing and reappearing in the middle lane (shown at 0:20). If you stay in the lane you get pushed off up the A23 by cars turning left. Taking this line it was rare that you had anyone doing this.

If you are about to turn left you shouldn't be overtaking anything (I am going straight on along the A3).

[CyclingMikey]

@Genoxide85 No, that driver simply needs to wait behind until it's safe to overtake. Vehicles behind you don't have automatic priority. ;)

[johng6715]

@CyclingMikey The driver was in the wrong , but also the cyclist , bad assertive positioning, attempting to overtake on a bend, failure to look behind before finally overtaking . You need to review your teaching methods to mirror the safe cycling practices of the cyclist on the inside. As an instructor you should not condone this riding style on a public forum as the young and inexperienced rider may be reading it. Save it for the classroom , for advanced cyclists where it has a place.

[CyclingMikey]

@johng6715 You're making it up sunbeam. The only person doing wrong there was the mug in the car.

[johng6715]

@CyclingMikey Have not made anything up just watched the clip . Please read the highway code and try to understand it. The cyclist in the inside is the most competent cyclist and I am sure he took the line as a slow moving road user, did not overtake on a bend/turn and would have looked Behind him before overtaking. Both the driver and cyclists where in the wrong and both would have failed a driving/motorcycle test performing inconsiderate maneuvers End of !!!

[CyclingMikey]

@johng6715 Actually no. I suggest you go and take some driver training, and some cycling training, because going purely by your posts I think you must have gotten your driving licence in a Christmas cracker. You display an appalling lack of knowledge.

The cyclist simply held the lane there, quite correctly too. Why are you making excuses for the driver? That's the only problem in this video, nothing else. I suppose you identify with bad drivers like the one in this video. Tut tut!!

[johng6715]

@CyclingMikey Very lame , the driver was in the wrong as well, open your eyes , read what I say and watch the Vid , and come back with something constructive.

[rosickyize]

@johng6715 nope, the driver was the only one in the wrong

[johng6715]

@rosickyize We beg to differ but your entitled to your opinion. They only cyclist in this clip riding correctly was the one on the inside , following the highway code including its advise 

[downfader2]

@Genoxide85 You're displacing blame. The cyclist was already in a position to overtake before they set off from the lights, and it was after they were actively engaged in the overtake that the driver shot through. As the vehicle behind the driver should have held off until there was space to do so safely.

[westcountrytim]

I've added some rules from the highway code which some commenters might want to read (and learn!).

I'm sure if the driver had had someone overtake her in a car like this she wouldn't think it was ok, let alone if she was on a bike.

[KrunchyJD]

A couple of facts here for the Anti cyclists here..

1) In Few countries do motorists pay for the cost they impose on society, and the UK ISNT one such country.

2) If you think cyclists have it easy then quit complaining and ride a bike.

3) You are blind. The car was overtaking too close and there is no excuse for such behaviour.

4) Cars kill many pedestrians, other car drivers and cyclists. No bicycle has ever killed a person in a car.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD Before you decide to get all high and mighty with this get your facts straight.

I was driving I wasn't close to him, if he had recorded the previous 5 mins beforehand you'd see him riding like a prat and holding up all the traffic then telling me to fuck off, but he choose not to include that bit!

I have been driving through that junction for 9 yrs now and have to put up on a daily basis idiotic cyclists that don't know how to ride.

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 On that logic if a pedestrian slows me down by

"getting in front of me", I should have the right to nearly run into them..

Regardless of his behaviour beforehand, you had no right to drive as dangerously as you did. If you ride a bike you will know how dangerous your behaviour was, or you need glasses. In fact you should not have a license period if you drive like that..

[downfader2]

@angel1983627 Are you aware of the highway code? Breaches:

162 - road was not clear ahead

163 - did not give enough space

166 - you overtook on a bend

167 - conflict with other road user

I dont beleive they told you to f off at all. They were infact following best practice from National Standards here. You let you and others down by causing a danger, not the cyclist.

[johng6715]

@downfader2 Sorry but the cyclist positioned himself to overtake but was not fast enough, that’s when he should have pulled across, instead of attempting to overtake on a bend “166” from then on he was in the wrong !!!then failed to look behind him “ 162” when he finally overtook . Also 168 and 169 then comes into play. Assertive riding/positioning is for experienced road users that fully understand ALL the highway code. If this was on a Motorcycle test situation he would have Failed.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD As for your comment about not 1 bike has killed someone in a car, no because they indanger themselves well enough!

If you read getalifeyoumug comments properly then you'd see he says he rides a cycle you prat!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 There was no excuse for passing so closely, none.. You should not have a liscence. Cars pose more danger then any bike, because of their size and mass. Cars are a stupid idea in cities anyway. In this video you endangered him, by driving too close, and if you think you didnt you should not be driving and need your eyes tested. I drive and ride a bike and quite frankly most motorists have no friggin idea. Ride a bike yourself then make comments..

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD Get a life and stop trying to impose your opinions on people, The camera aim is all wrong, INFACT I WASN'T THAT CLOSE TO HIM AT ALL!

I have spoken to the Met Police who have assured me I did nothing wrong !

So go take your opinions else where!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 You get a life. I saw enough to show me you should not have a lisence.. Ride a bike yourself and then comment when arseholes in cars think that it is just fine to nearly run into you because you slowed them down by all of 1 second.

Your just trying to defend your crap driving.

I have every right to comment when I see people defending your dangerous driving, and when I see people not giving a shit about peoples lives.. 

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD Learn how to spell licence write you plank!

This guy held up the traffic before the video started for longer than a second but as YOU wasb't there you wouldn't know that, would you?

My driving is impeccable, Ihave never had an accident have no points, so were is the crap driving.

The only thing that is crap is YOUR OPINION!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 No your the plank. You drove way too close. No car should pass a cyclist within a metre for any reason. You have no concept of how dangerous what you did was.

Your opinion is crap, if you think that putting someone elses life in danger, because they held you up is your right, and I dont care if they held you up for 1 second or 2 minutes. Get on a bike and ride it on the street, then ill listen to your opinion, otherwise you are speaking out of ignorance.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

Ok Mr i know it all, then the cyclist shouldn't be over taking either a cyclist or a car on a bend!

Get it right U MUG!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 Crap, cars kill thousands of people every year, they take up valuable space in cities and pose danger. The cyclist poses no danger to none other then themselves, the car driver poses a threat to everyone on the street.

Your logic is the same as saying that a girl who wears a short dress deserves to be rapped!

Then there is the smog that is created by cars which are by and large unnecessary as a form of private transport within cities. The urban car is a bull in a china shop!

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

Oh get a life!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 You get a life, and stop trying to put everyone elses in danger!

Otherwise get your eyes tested. Ride a bike and learn how things look from other peoples perspective.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

Is this correct that u live in Australia?

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 So what..

Australian drivers are idiots as well.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

So set aside that u don't even live in the borough to see what sort of prize prats we have riding cycles here, you don't even live in the same country!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 Where You live and where I live, or how they ride bikes does not give you the excuse to drive dangerously, period. Yes, you are not the only one who drives dangerously, but that is no excuse. Further, I am one of the first to criticise cyclists who ride stupidly. But thats not the point. So by your logic, if I see a car driver running a red light I should threaten their life.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

Get a f&*king life , I imposed no danger to his life, if I had then I would have hit him, skimmed him but no, there was no danger there.

You don't know that junction so don't give your opinion on what you don't know.

First and foremost he endangered himself by overtaking on a bend so whos the dangerous driver there! NOT ME!

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 Accept responsibility for your driving. There was no excuse for passing that close, None! You drive a vehicle which weighs over 1000 kg. You pose a danger on the road by driving that close deliberately. Accept responsibility, and dont drive like an arrogant tosser. As a driver it is your responsibility to not hit or endanger vunerable road users. Stop driving close to cyclists.

[angel1983627]

@KrunchyJD

Don't you need to go and do something like jump off a cliff head first, that would certainly impose more enjoyment to everyones lifes rather than hearing you drone on about me driving to close to a cyclist.

[KrunchyJD]

@angel1983627 You're attitude stinks. You will hit a cyclist or a pedestrian one day with that attitude, but I guess you simply will not care, because they held you up for a few seconds.

[CyclingMikey]

@angel1983627 You're one of the crappiest drivers I've seen in a while, I'd rate you as in the bottom 5% of bad drivers. What a pile of rubbish you are.

[downfader2]

@angel1983627 Cyclists dont hold up traffic in London. The DFT have done studies & found the average speeds of motor traffic=12mph. The average speed of cyclists and motorcyclists is 15+. You and others were not held up, you were still in motion. Your driving is clearly not impeccable (many breaches I listed earlier).

I respect Krunchy's opinion much more because he has read the literature and studies.You yourself have tried to displace blame from your own actions.Accept responsibility!

[RUDEI30Y]

@downfader2 Cyclists hold everyone up. Say the average speed of a car is 12mph. Since so much time is spend stationary, the cars then need to be doing 30mph when they actually are moving to maintain the 12mph average. Cyclists cap that at pretty much 15-20mph tops so they do slow everyone down. Being a cyclist myself I change my route so I don't need to cycle on the road and hold cars up. It's safer for me too so everyone wins.

[downfader2]

@RUDEI30Y You clearly misunderstand how traffic works. I'd advise you get yourself on a National Standards or IAM cycle course. You have a right to ride on the road, and in the majority of cases a legal obligation.

Theres only so much you can change your route in congested cities.

[RUDEI30Y]

@downfader2 I'm not saying I cycle on the pavement (NEVER!!!) but I'm saying that cyclists do hold up traffic. I just plan my journeys to minimise distance spent on roads without cycle lanes where I could hold up faster traffic.

I also drive a car and know very well that even in congested cities bikes can hold you up massively. Say theres a bike doing 20mph in a 30mph, traffic is oncoming so no space to overtake. If this causes the cars to miss a set of lights then it's slowed the traffic alot!

[downfader2]

@RUDEI30Y Have you timed your journeys? I have timed mine in car, bike and bus. The bus took the longest but the car was only 2-3 minutes quicker than bike (and yes, thats with waiting at lights, etc) over a 4-6 mile trip. When its heavily congested the bike is the only way through and I've beaten workmates over the 6 mile commute many a time, sometimes by a factor of 20-30 minutes.

The averages still count.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y Any time lost behind a cyclist is time not spent waiting in a traffic queue ahead of you, so it's a nett loss of zero time. Would you prefer all the cyclists to be in their cars in front of you? Then you'd have gridlock, and your car journey time would take considerably longer than it already does.

[Testedecazzo]

@RUDEI30Y 15-20mph? i've seen many cyclists go lot faster than that...

[RUDEI30Y]

@Testedecazzo Same but I've also seen many go a much slower. Some cyclists amaze me that they can actually cycle as slowly as they do without falling off.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y Even TfL themselves say that bicycles have the fastest journey time of all forms of transport in Central London. There's no way a car is going to keep up over 4-5 miles.

[RUDEI30Y]

@CyclingMikey A car may not keep up over 4-5 miles but the bikes will still slow the cars down by going slow when a car can go faster. If you miss a set of lights because of a cyclist (this happens to me on a regular basis) then you've just lost 1-2 minutes at least. And no the cyclists wouldn't be in their cars in front of me. They'd be behind me since they'd actually have to follow the highway code.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y On the contrary, a study found that cyclists break that nasty race away from the lights and then brake hard syndrome that car drivers like. This results in steadier travel with a higher average speed, even if you lose your top speed. Top speed means nothing in a busy city.

If I get stopped at one light, I'll make it up over some of the lights ahead being green and not red and still catch the other vehicles who did get through ahead of me.

[RUDEI30Y]

@CyclingMikey Outside of Central London cyclists are much worse due to actually being able to maintain 30mph on most roads. Being stuck behind cyclists here is frustrating. Especially when they just undertake everyone at the lights and then hold everyone up that just overtook them. Even if they don't hold me up, I hate the cyclists round here. I almost took one off that tried to undertake me with no lights on! I don't think you're reading my posts properly and am not explaining myself twice.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y The same applies - there are still queues at almost every set of lights, so again the time you lose behind a cyclist you'll just gain back at the next queue.

I think you need to calm down and chill out, share the road, and leave a few minutes earlier instead of blaming cyclists for your own lack of planning.

What has outside of central London got to do with this video clip, btw.? This is Central London.

[RUDEI30Y]

@CyclingMikey Calm down and chill out? Coming from the sweaty person on the bike.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y I bet you pay to go to the gym, LOL! And calm, oh yes. When I leave work, I'm not in a hurry because I'm already where I want to be when I get on the bike. If I encounter a driver like the one in this video clip that gets my heart racing, I've put it behind me within a mile or two thanks to the exercise, sweat, and lovely endorphins. OTOH I bet Angel darling is still steaming at her shame.

[CyclingMikey]

@RUDEI30Y All the cyclists are behind you? Nonsense, then you wouldn't be complaining about them, because they wouldn't be holding you up.

[ScottTheGent]

@angel1983627 I find it HILARIOUS when somebody writes "Learn how to spell license write" was that supposed to be ironic?

P.S. That overtake was DISGUSTING. If you had come on here and said, "I'm sorry, I just lost my temper and got a bit ( although it was wayyyy too close ) too close". People would have accepted that.

P.P.S. It's RIGHT and you are just WRONG.

[PhoneMikey]

@angel1983627 You did nothing wrong? Then why did you get a letter from Roadsafe that brought you here to your video? They don't send out letters unless there was something substandard about the driving they see in the videos posted online, in my experience.

[downfader2]

@angel1983627 getalifeyoumug knows nothing of safe cycling practice. They're comments are to be ignored.

[johng6715]

@downfader2 So its safe practice to take a assertive position at a road junction , behind motorcycles and overtake on a bend and not look behind you before you overtake.! Who teaches you that ? The only good cyclist on this clip was on the inside. Leave assertive , secondary/primary positioning in America where it belongs, where they have wider roads. Or to advanced road users “ License holders” that understand English driving and the highway code.

[downfader2]

@johng6715 John, I'm not going to argue with you as you clearly either a) dont know what your talking about or b) here to whinge about something irrelevant. Go read Cyclecraft or the IAM's Better Cycling manual. Regardless of what the cyclist is doing the driver also has obligations towards safety and following the rules.

[tonigirl1976]

I've just watched another of your video's....you do not own the road as much as you may like to think you and your camera do. I think posting clips is you hobbie and you go loking for things to happen to you. You yourself was very up close and personal with a women trying to cross the road failed to mention that one.

[tonigirl1976]

What isn't right is that you have posted there reg, and if it where me i would be reporting you, but unlike you they probably have better things to do with there time and dont let LITTLE things bother there day.

[tonigirl1976]

have to say the car does seem very close, but this is a risk YOU take when you are sharing the road with bigger vehicles (as when a lorry over takes a car) and choose not to use the cycle lane, Which you clearly wasn't from the start of the video. As you chose to over take a slow cyclist, the driver choses to over take you, which is there right.

[angel1983627]

I pay road tax, car insurance, mot and congestion charging which may I point out pays for the bike lanes in London for you precious bikers to use for your safety which you still choose not to use, instead you choose to sit in front of the traffic, dart in and out of traffic and yet us car users take ll the blame for your stupidity.

[westcountrytim]

@angel1983627

Road tax was abolished in 1937. The VED you pay is related to the emissions of your car. Insurance is just that its doesn't go to the government. The congestion charge is voluntary asyou choose to take your car into the area.

Roads (and cycle paths) are payed for out of general insurance, of which I pay a large amount.

If you read Cyclecraft (the Government approved cycle training manual) you will see my road position was correct.

[johng6715]

@westcountrytim Does not matter what you call it , its paid by road users and is a Tax , look up the definition of Tax. Also A proportion of it is used for “new road infrastructures and widening “,which probably includes your cycle lanes .

[CyclingMikey]

@johng6715 Ah the tax argument. You can instantly be dismissed as a clown who's only real attitude is "Get the 'K out of my way, I'm a selfish driver".

[downfader2]

@angel1983627 No you do not pay "road tax". You pay vehicle excise duty - to pay towards the monitor and control of emissions. Its a green levy to discourage people from buying large pollutiing cars and switch to smaller greener vehicles like hybrids - which also pay zero VED.

You're having a pop at someone who was in the right and following best practice as outlined by National Standards cycle training.

[angel1983627]

How come you didn't start the video from before where people would be able to see you clearly holding up all the traffic because you choose not to use your cycle lane,

[angel1983627]

I have spoken to them over this issue and they advised me that I didn't break any law or highway code practise but had to send a letter because some busy body had taken their time out to report someone not breaking any rules!

[angel1983627]

Do you realise you are causing an infringement on peoples privacy by exploiting there reg numbers?

You obviously have a vendetta against people who drive cars by all the video clips you have up here.

Do you have nothing better to do with your life other than recording people without their knowledge and making complaint letters to the met police.

[SkrzypczykBass]

@angel1983627 Registration plates are a publicly identifiable mark, visible on any car. This video was filmed in a public place. The best part is NO ONE on here would know who the driver was unless the stupid cow comes on here and starts mouthing off a load of crap.

Did he really "hold you up" or are you just ignoring the massive queues of cars in front of you each day?

My advice for you:

Read the highway code. Learn to drive. Learn to spell. Then come back and apologize.

[getalifeyoumug]

also u show in one of ur videos a guy on a racer just getting in front of a van,had the van hit him i suppose it would of been the vans fault,as i said i cycle drive and have a motor bike so i know the dangers but i also know the majority of bicyclist just take the piss and then want to blame some one else,ur a big man behind the camera but y didnt u pull up beside the guy on the racer and say oi becareful because of people like u we get a bad name but ur balls only are only big enough for utube

[getalifeyoumug]

no im not the driver,other wise id be seriously slating you for putting me up there,im just sick of knob heads like u riding ur bikes and causing accidents,u lot are all over the roads,meaning swerving and maneurvering,yes it isnt mandatory but y should we all stick behind u wen we r paying road tax and congestion charges,besides had that been me i would of stopped and got out and we could of had a friendly chat face2face to discuss ur swearing lol u loner.

[KrunchyJD]

@getalifeyoumug Road Tax goes nowhere towards paying the full cost that car drivers cause society. It is a complete fallacy to suggest anything like this.

[getalifeyoumug]

ps i also ride a bike and a motor bike and drive yet i never seem to have as many issues as u,if every body looks at the video properly and not just out to get at car drivers u will see this guy takes up all the traffic and as a driver it can be frustrating.im sorry i just hate people who have no life and pick on anyone and everyone,ps i also know that the driver will not get in to trouble for that,they will be notified that a sadcase has put the vid up on utube because u was in there lane

[getalifeyoumug]

ur one sad lonely mug,from wen the lights changed u wasnt in ur lane,u say the car behind couldnt wait,why should they u have ur own lane that u should of stuck to,but instead u take up the whole road with ur head bobbing all over the gaff lol.learn to ride a bike u space cadet,in the future stick to ur own lane dont cause traffic behind u.u say the camera doesnt show how close they were thats coz they wasnt.ur such a good rider thats y u got loads of videos.U BIG MUG GET A LIFE

[westcountrytim]

@getalifeyoumug Check your highway code.

Cycle lanes are not mandatory (and I'm overtaking someone).

The car driving was dangerous (check for what space you should leave when overtaking).

As you seem to have created a youtube account just to comment on this, are you the driver in the clip?

[downfader2]

@getalifeyoumug Perhaps you should get a life yourself by first educating yourself on the rules of the road - the highway code clearly says there is no obligation to be in a cycle lane & there are many reasons why a cyclist may need to leave its boundaries.

Av. traffic speed London: 12mph due to congestion. Really think its that much bother if a cyclist is in front of a driver for a few seconds? Average cyclist speed: 15mph

They & motorcyclists are the fastest modes of transport in London.

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

A complete knobber, he took a huge gamble on not catching your front wheel as he sped past.

[MelloVEL0]

Is that the "get in the cycle lane, I'll teach you" overtake?

[westcountrytim]

@MelloVEL0 Think it might have been

But thats the last time I'll use that junction on a commute as I've moved flats now.

[drsquirrel0]

Attitude problem++

[TheVexatiousLitigant]

That was shocking! Do you ever report and or get any joy from the police with this evidence?

[westcountrytim]

@TheVexatiousLitigant Reported to Roadsafe (Met Police) giving this link as evidence just after I posted the video.

[TheVexatiousLitigant]

@westcountrytim I guess (hope) they are familiar with how the lens angle of helmet cameras makes the gap look bigger than it actually is.

Hope you get a result, looking at the video it would be hard not to!