Rolling a Kayak with Ken Whiting-White Water

[acbyauknwme]

people who are just starting to paddle whitewater should never use this roll until they get more experience

[SebbTheBoss]

Easy!

[10029759]

Thanks a extremely clear demo, with great teaching points.. thanks

[OfficialFLIPChannel]

my friend tried this... yea he drowned.

[PPWilliams1]

@OfficialFLIPChannel Given your "name", and your previous uploads, I would tend to doubt the accuracy of that comment. It's also not the most helpful contribution to the discussion. The backdeck roll has its advocates and detractors, and most people have learnt several other types of roll before attempting this.

[ShinMatata]

@ntilley88 Yeah. Figures.

I've done this roll in lake water, but not much else.

I'm in Colorado and a lot of our rivers have nasty blast rock. I mainly just stay tucked in, and I tuck in/roll on whatever side the flip took me, in combat. I don't normally wear a full-face, and I found that even through the one Class V rapid I did (rigor mortis) and unfortunately, had to roll several times through and essentially run upside-down, that I never hit my face. Just stay in your boat, set-up, roll.

[MikeSkiera]

I just pulled every muscle on the right side of my body trying this roll

[TheHeliconiaPress]

We have lots of other rolling videos on our whitewatertv channel, or our seakayakingtv channel! Check them out.

[chwparker]

this weekend, I'm taking my first whitewater kayaking lessons. After watching this, I'm feeling some anxiety.

[iSagada42]

The guy says it himself right up front: "this is an advanced rolling technique". It's useful and it's totally worth learning but it's not usually what you'd pick as your first or only roll.

[ShinMatata]

Every roll has its place, but I just never see myself going for this roll in a combat situation, when I can brace. If my brace fails, I'm in a good position to roll without additional set up. If I flip unexpectedly, I won't have the proper momentum you get from a planned back-deck roll; I'm just happy to have at least one hand still gripping the paddle. With that said, when I'm in more gnarly holes, I'm sure this roll could come in handy. I need more practice with aerated water.

[iliveathurley]

@ShinMatata I learnt this roll a few years ago , and since then , as i have progressed both my play-boating and river running , i have found it has become my staple roll. I find it is so so fast , that i can be running a river , flip and be up , and nobody even notices I have rolled , and it leaves me forward ready for a big power stroke too. Practice it , in a playboat , i bet you cant do it without your head getting wet ;) I'll try and video mine , and upload that soon.

[ShinMatata]

@iliveathurley - I would love to see that.

I am able to do this roll a little in my playboat now, but of course my head touches the water. Do you use this roll while creeking?

[iliveathurley]

@ShinMatata I use this roll for everything, creeking, playboating etc.

I will try and get some footage of this roll and upload it so people can see.

[ntilley88]

@ShinMatata

In my experience. this roll is really only suitable in deep water.

In shallow water which you would expecience when river running or creeking there is the potential for rocks just beneath the surface.

If you do this type of roll you expose your face and chest to rocks. Not exactly a good idea. A solid screw (c to c?) roll is much more effective and safer as you do not expose the soft fleshy parts of your face to rocks. Screw rolls are also a lot less effort on your shoulders.

[ShinMatata]

@ntilley88 Yeah. Figures.

I've done this roll in lake water, but not much else.

I'm in Colorado and a lot of our rivers have nasty blast rock. I mainly just stay tucked in, and I tuck in/roll on whatever side the flip took me, in combat. I don't normally wear a full-face, and I found that even through the one Class V rapid I did (rigor mortis) and unfortunately, had to roll several times through and essentially run upside-down, that I never hit my face. Just stay in your boat, set-up, roll.

[vulcha240]

Hmmm ....I think i might take Kens advice....rather than all the other expers that replied to this video...lol

[unseenxxx]

Having had my face whacked by rocks in a Class III+ rapid I can say without a doubt that if you are new to the sport you should start with the Sweep or C2C.

[DrwMrchnt3]

ive only gone kayaking once and i am looking into actually getting into it it is very enjoyable and fun. but i went on a pretty calm river and the kayaks were a little bit longer. so i guess this is a roll you do on purpose, what kind of rolls are there that in case you accidently roll over?

[ry13an]

ahhh just cant get it !!

[TaufanDermawan]

another technique. thanks.. :)

[cipherion]

Ken Whiting is a world champ kayaker. Often a failed C to C or back deck sweep roll attempt can very quickly be rectified by a back deck roll - even though you are under water.

[robinson8040]

I agree with 13boarding .. Thats why this is otherwise known as a rodeo roll.. for the types of places u know hitting your head isn't a problem... A different roll would be preferable for creeking or river running, where u can get ur head down on your deck with only the helmet showing to be hit by rocks

[AJRJB15]

@robinson8040 the idea is if you are in a feature you are usually airborne during the roll

[13boarding]

this is a good playboating roll but you should have another roll that doesn't expose your face so much.

[ronjohn2010]

everyone told me that the back deck roll was the hardest so i started out tring c to c rolls and sweep rolls but when i found this video i decided to give back deck rolls a try and i figured them out on my next trip out.

[Wondericity]

yeah i only know the c to c and the set up is really annoying in a lot of situations. But normally i get it on the first try at least

[moh2o]

Good Roll video. This roll is an advanced roll. I would not recommend it for a total beginner. I can do an ok back deck roll on my onside, but not as good as this guy. That is pretty smooth.

[darabuka1]

it might expose ur face...so do it with your head out of the water!!!