NLP Eye Movement Integration with a Vietnam Veteran (PTSD)

[engeljakob]

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[xilix]

I have PTSD, and I've been recommended to get EMDR by my counselor, but now that I know about this, which should I try? Is this better than EMDR? Do these methods really work THIS well? I can't imagine ever being able to relive these horrible experiences and be comfortable, it's not possible in my mind in any way. If this will work, it's the answer to my prayers, to be able to live my life without fear, to finally be able to be in control. Honestly I think I'd weep with relief and happiness.

[realpeoplepress]

@xilix

EMDR utilizes the same neurological processes, but EMI is more respectful of the client, and has more flexibility in dealing with the problem. The answer to your question is "Yes, it really does work," and I have seen many "weep with relief and happiness" at the resolution.

I would like to point out that this method works with the fear, shock, etc. of the traumatic events. However there is often another aspect, that is somewhat different, and requires different methods.

[iig0tem]

So what happened in conclusion? The man no longer remembers any traumatic experiences from when he was in the army?

[realpeoplepress]

@iig0tem As you can see near the end of this video, where he says, “It’s beautiful,” he remembers the tracer bullets in the night, but now he finds pleasure in their beauty—a very different response than the tension and fear that he had experienced in response to the memory for the previous 13 years. It is a matter of changing the memory, not erasing it. Steve Andreas

[kccatalyst]

Steve-Realpeoplepress: Which came first EMDR or NLP Eye Intergration? I have experience with the NLP Trauma pattern and the understanding of eye accessing cue's, so this makes perfect sense. Is this a part of anyone's NLP training program yet?

[realpeoplepress]

@kccatalyst I don't know if it is a part of any NLP training program; I am more-or-less retiring from training so I can have more time for developing new stuff. The EMI DVD, available from Real People Press, demonstrates how to do it, and it includes a useful booklet on the method.

[atyourownnlp]

@realpeoplepress

Well there really is a sort of a training-program. I'm an NLP prac. and in my training we learned the Dimensions of submodalities.

A beautifull way to change the emotions of a memory. 

[metalmike83]

Isn't anyone going to raise the "crazy bullshit" alarm?

[realpeoplepress]

@metalmike83 It may seem crazy, but it's not bullshit; it works. As do a number of other NLP methods developed since then.

[DAH210774]

@realpeoplepress absolutely not to mention EFT, TAT, TFT, hypnosis... It should be made available to these guys and should come stright out of the governments defence budget. Thanks for the great post RPP :-)

[hoghead89]

@metalmike83 With all due respect, this is based on sound neurological science. I would suggest just because something seems strange or foreign to you does not necessarily mean that its bullshit. When someone is stuck in an experience one side of their brain is active. By activating the other side of their brain a resolution can occur. I would also suggest you may be missing out by having contempt prior to a full investigation. This has helped many including myself. Cheers.

[eljefe90]

Every single Vietnam Soldier (Veteran) has come back to this life and will and will never be able to live normaly due to the post traumatic stress :(

its sad to see

[realpeoplepress]

@eljefe90 This is simply not true. We, and those we have trained have worked with lots of Vets to overcome their PTSD. This video was made in 1993; since then several other NLP methods for working with this have been developed, and some of them are even faster.

[himmelweiss]

@eljefe90 that is a beliefe I would like to drop off...

[ElliotPinkney]

This stuff is like Magic! This is really the tool to be an affective communicator. This kind of reminds me of the NLP techniques Im going over with Doc Barham, also known as Coach Hollywood.

[ElliotPinkney]

Hey this reminds me of the NLP techniques I am going over with Coach Hollywood. Also known as Doc Barham, this stuff is like MAGIC!

[ReadBelowHere]

i think you cut out the most important part - the eye movement piece... if you presented at least 5 minutes of it, then that would be helpful

[realpeoplepress]

@ReadBelowHere I did show part of the eye movements. Except for the location and direction of movements, the others are much the same--and I had to edit it down to fit YouTube.

[TheSpoonFedFukWit]

Great vid.

[magazinestock]

Ok that was fyn

[D8402]

So they did that eye movement for 34 min straight?

[realpeoplepress]

@D8402 No, there are quite a variety of movements in different locations in the visual field. And yes, I did eye movements the whole time--not a big thrill to watch, but very effective.

[KeelyBrookeT]

I'm bored, Next

[realpeoplepress]

I agree; it is very boring; so is dentistry.

But when you are a vet who has been suffering for years, its well worth it to be bored for an hour so that you can live a good life free of flashbacks. Steve Andreas

[realpeoplepress]

Response to metalmike83 from Steve Andreas

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct that "it only works less than half the time and it's probably due to placebo affect." That would still make it FAR more effective than any other treatment available--in less than an hour!

This video was made in 1993, 16 years ago. Now NLP has a variety of even more effective methods for PTSD.

[metalmike83]

\this bullshit has failed every scientific test it's been subjected to - it only works less than half the time and it's probably due to placebo affect - don't pay for this shame treatment.

[shelleybelly1111]

You are wrong ! this does work I have started this and this has been the only thing to work nothing else has I bleive in this fully

[PhobiaGuy]

@metalmike83 i use a different system but based on the same principal, and it works 8/10 times, i'm doing this all day every day AND with war vets. No technique suits everyone but then again no 'tested' medication works for everybody, so less of the bull shit comments please, we are using this stuff on the front line, if it works on 8/10 then the other two get a different technique, isn't that the doctors way?

[Medech2012]

When well applied, this technique is a great tool that can surely help.

[Thoogah]

the thing is it's pretty hard to determine whats therapeutic for which client, this method looks like it's working for this client, many of the criticism is that these shorter more affordable methods of therapy are conveniently in accord with capitalist economy a therapy method you can mass produce so to speak and thus they're not reliable but then the proven methods with many articles published on can fail as well, might be wrong for the clients's condition, might be therapist's mistake as well

[Thoogah]

the main problem is what you get out of a therpeutic process is always subjective and hard to interpret, don't lose hope, keep trying I don't mean to judge any of your negative experiences but remember it is and will probably always be a work in progress good luck is all can be said I guess :)

[m112233445566m11]

EFT is amazing, in the right hands huge changes can be made

[tynel9]

I agree with you Roddy. Therapies often do not seem to work that well. But, you have a good sense of humour! You made me feel better, I laughed pretty hard after I read what you wrote. I've had similar experience with therapy. Therapy seems useless. But, spirituality seems to work. It takes time. You are still alive. Your life can still get better. Thanks for sharing your experience. : )

[RoddyGinhell]

I have had PTSD since childhood from being drugged with LSD without my knowledge. I had EMDR as well as any other therapy over the last 34 years you can name. In my experience, EMDR and other cognitive therapy works in the following way. You go through each therapy, EMDR, then all the others. After a few years those treatments go out and back into vogue, and they are given to you again. After trying all these treatments over and over without success, you die of old age. Voila, your PTSD is gone.

[jamirox81]

Robby, only for information, what kind of therapies you tried?

Have you ever tried energy psychology? Like EFT, TFT, TAT and similar...

Thank Roddy

[BuildABetterLife]

EMDR > This.

[paddyojesus]

I did this with a VA therapist and it dislodged a lot of memory making it possible to remember details that were to unpleasant to previously consider it was very intense and not something I crave doing again but it helped.

[amivag77]

Very interesting, thank you

[paulatejano3]

Pseudopsychotherapy???

The map is not the territory. Open your eyes...

see not only what you want to see.

[alittlerock]

Again the wonderful Andreas'!

Live long Stevo!

[artmacc]

great example... how can it be used for self improvement

[diharrygmail]

Some people use it as a method of therapy, however, it is much more than this. Can be used to model success in any area. For example, you can learn how to improve athletic performance, selling strategies, for happy relationships, etc.

[ChewingGun]

NLP is psychotherapy???

[TheRagulator]

No. It is pseudopsychotherapy.

[ChewingGun]

true!

[emdria1214]

To Ragulator and ChewingGun:

And your professional credentials to make this judgement are_______??

[capricious71]

The truth hurts, eh?

[capricious71]

I was talking about how EMDR has a lot of promise not that it's pseudopsychotherapy.