I've followed and watched around the world... BSB, WSB, Moto G.P, northwest 200, macau, Sidecars, Trials, and for one love the tech and hope to see it do well and improve,all the naysayers can bitch all they want...The fact is in ten years time these things will be keeping up with fuel burners and beating them on the road in some cases. I would love to own a Esuperbike one day.
@eldictator1 Also, people have been saying electricity is the new thing for years, but it never will be. Just like flying cars, it is that technology that will always be right around the corner.
@TheOfficialKC To be fair the electric motor isn't new and electric vehicles pre date fuel burners by about 20 years. The only problem is the density of batteries.Could we have had better motors and batteries now if oil hadn't been so subsidised in the 1910's and Edison and Ford who were friends made an electric car too, probably. I'm not saying it's perfect, but electric motors will always beat internal combustion.
@eldictator1 And go take some Electrical Engineering class. kW = V x A. Simple. A battery is rated in kWh. Tesla has a 56kWh battery. To charge that in 5 minutes it would take 672,000kW of power. The highest power connectors used are 400V. That means you have to be using 1680A. The world would explode. The best connectors that you can get in your garage are 240V, 70A. Sorry, you can't change electricity.
@TheOfficialKC "JFE Engineering is developing a quick charge system that can take a battery from 0 charge to 50% full in about 3 minutes. It has two batteries, one that stores electrical energy from the grid and another that delivers it to the car at extremely high current (500-600 amps, 20kW), which allows it to use a low-voltage power supply (AC200V; while the existing rapid charging systems require a higher power supply voltage 50kW or more, AC6.6kV)."
This will be the future??? Sorry, but this is not the future. This sound is crazy, makes me nervouse and we need more power plants in the future. Technicians, go another way
An e motor wil NEVER be as powerful as a gas engine. An electric motor with all its batteries is heavy. At the same weight an electric motorcycle will probably make half the power and will ride half is long on a charge.
A Tesla Roadster weighs 700-1000lbs more than an equally powered Exige 260.
And the Exige can go 330 miles on a tank while the Tesla only 100-200miles. The Exige can be refueled in 5 minutes and the Tesla takes 10 hours.
@eldictator1 The e motor makes more torque but the gas makes more power. A F40 may get 1mpg flat out but what does a Tesla do flat out? And that is a Ferrari. Corvettes racing get 15mpg. 15mpg x 18 gallons = 270 miles. A Tesla does about 200 miles cruising. Then when you have to fill up it takes the Corvette 5 minutes and the Tesla 5 hours. How is that the future? Less range and a recharge time that takes so freaking long. That is backwards, not advancement.
@TheOfficialKC My point about the F40 1mpg is that when you push other supercars to the limit their range drops too, yet this is never highlighted because we have a large fueling infrastructure. The official range is 245 when cruising and normal driving. Again, If we had fast chargers at every petrol station,(we do have some at the moment) you can get a zero charge to 80% in 25 mins, take it down to 10 mins for a battery that isn't empty
@eldictator1 Here is the deal, my cellphone takes hours to charge. That is a tiny ass battery. How could a battery(batteries) 10-50 times the size be charged faster?
@m1aws The problem with hot swappable is I don't have the money to afford the bike AND extra batteries. Well I could, but not for a hobby. And when I am 50 miles from home, where my batteries are, hot swappable won't help.
So your cellphone takes 90 minutes to charge. Would you want to sit at a gas station for 90 minutes on a ride? Now a battery that holds 10 times the charge and now you have to wait 900 minutes? Not worth it.
Most motorbikes do not travel 50 miles an a day. Some never. The point of an electric bike/car to us is cost. Do the math and you will come to the conclusion its far cheaper, more reliable. Servicing is clean and a breeze with less bits to replace. and the cost per mile will add ~$100 to your yearly electric bill.
Also LiFePo4 cells are not Li-on. These last from 2,000 to 100,000 recharges to 80% eff.,Depending on use.
@m1aws Won't travel 50 miles a day? Have you ever ridden a bike? I can't remember the last time I rode less than 200 miles. 99% of the time I go between 200 and 250 miles in a day. And cost?! Haha, electric bikes will cost you twice the purchase price. Saving a few dollars on gas won't make that up. Especially when you consider you will have to buy a very expensive battery pack down the road.
@TheOfficialKC I have had a bike since I was 13. Done 100 miles today. Well within the range of the road version of this bike.
200miles * 200days *20yrs at 55mpg = 14545 gallons at how much money? In the UK it will cost me £79k ($127K) for the rest of my life on your supposed mileage 200 times a year. I think its a no-brainer.
@m1aws As motorcycling is only a hobby that is maybe 50 days a year, 45mpg, 200miles, 20 years = 4400 gallons. In the US that will be $14,000. $14000 in gas plus a $10000 bike is only $24,000. Now when you consider an electric bike may cost $20,000 or more, $2000 in electric bills(at your claimed rate), and in those 20 years you will have to replace the several thousand dollar battery pack several times. That is more expensive than the gas bike.
@TheOfficialKC You are wrong about these battery's again, no question. These if not corroded = lifetime!
In the UK its 7p/KWH and a m/c uses ~100watt miles. We pay over double for fuel than the USA and with a large engine the road tax is more than a small car.
Add in all our parts replacement, servicing, oils etc. Then ICE gets silly.
The previous 2yr's put 47k miles on the car due to work. Thats $11k+ $600 Service costs+ $600 road tax in your money. Electric : Only $1580. At 300Watt miles.
@m1aws I guarantee those batteries will last 5 years. The ebike is 2x the price of a ICE bike. Put that together and it is way more than you will save in gas.
$600 service costs? Are you crazy?
And where do you commute from? France? 47k miles in 2 years is nuts. Even with traveling I do about 10K a year. On my CAR. And we are talking about MOTORCYCLES, which is probably going to be half that.
Now if everything went electric, what do you think will happen to your electric bill?
NP. Lets compare one-offs only. You compare mass production units with low volume stuff. Take a rolling chassis + $1600 motor +$4000 Batts (massive!) + $2000 sundry electronics etc. Call it $10K.
What do you think this motoszysz weighs? Its like a 125.
LiFePo4's are 1/3 density of lead acids and 4x the charge.
Why do you keep on thinking these battery's are the shit out of your mobile phone? They are nothing like! A totally different chemistry.
@m1aws If these batteries are so amazing, why aren't there any motorcycles on the market that can prove what you are saying? When someone can build one that costs low, lasts a long time then I will say congrats. But where are they?
I am talking about production bikes. High volume. (Tesla is equivalent to Lotus Exige in market and production ability yet costs twice as much and lasts 2/3 as long). A low volume ebike(like this Motoczysz) will cost $100k+
Oh that's easy! Its called inertia. Manufr's will not adapt.
Sorry, 2/3 as long as an Exige? You mean distance? Horses for courses.
It wont drive like a Tesla which is a rip-off. /watch?v=ZnBpd88pRLA
/watch?v=8DfHyGD7_pM
Back in the 70's I wrote a paper on motorcycle structure and design. Bikes are a joke! I've got an R1100GS after impressively modding my old FJ1200 same as BMW does.
@TheOfficialKC You didn't factor in the cost of oil and possibly the labor (if you don't want to do it yourself) in the time span of 20 years, as well as the rising cost of gas/petrol. The cost can easily reach and go beyond the cost of an electric bike.
You're also ignoring the fact that it's been speculated that the world's oil resource's availability may not even last that long.
@PhantomGP01 I also forgot to factor in the cost of replacement batteries every 5 years that cost as much as 10 years worth of gas, and if we are talking rising costs, if people start adopting electric motorcycles/cars, electric prices will skyrocket while gas will stay the same or drop.
Even if it was close to the same price, which is far from the truth, it still has an extreme lack of range, performance, fun, and charge time.
@TheOfficialKC Please keep in mind that gas/petrol prices are continually rising, while batteries are getting cheaper, as well as newer and better batteries are continuing to come out. I'm not sure where you're getting the whole idea of batteries needing to be replaced after 5 years idea. 5 years is the minimum of when you may notice that the charge the battery/batteries can hold has declined by approximately 5%. At 10 years, approximately another 5%. Not a significant amount.
@TheOfficialKC Another factor to consider is that there are ways to generate electricity and give back to the power companies, thus reducing our electricity costs or even getting paid for helping provide electricity to the community.
There's also the reducing costs of batteries as well as newer innovations of batteries that not only increases the capacity and power in one battery, but also increases the life of the battery.
@PhantomGP01 Like I said before, electric vehicles are 50 years behind petrol counterparts(also we have enough petrol to last until we discover a completely new fuel source). And as I said, IF and when they can match petrol for price, performance, range and fun I will accept it. To claim they are superior now is stupid.
@PhantomGP01 One more thing we haven't factored in. DI 2-strokes. These have the ability to reduce fuel consumption another 20% or so and reduce the cost of the bike another 20% and reduce maintenance costs another 50% and improve performance and fun significantly.
@TheOfficialKC Yes it will. There is more torque, the motor is more efficient, your using 3 year old tech as an example as to why it won't beat an ICE burner. The only problem is that the energy density is higher in petroleum.
@eldictator1 You want an Esuperbike? Why? It will be heavier than anything out there, make less power, and go less distance on a charge. And with gas you can fill up and continue riding whereas electricity you basically have to wait until the next day.
And charge times will never increase, it is an equation of W = VxA and kWh. They can never advance charge time.
And the electric bike will cost twice as much. So have fun paying more for a slower bike with less range.
@TheOfficialKC Because it's new, it's different, it's futuristic, it's cool...Your comparing 120 years of constant development and trillions of dollars spent on oil subsidies, racing tech and R&D to about 5 years lithium ion tech and the first proper E racing championship. Again it's not perfect, but money is actually being spent now, bosch have invested half a billion a year to their Electronic motor and E.v division, panasonic LG etc are building new factories..we're seeeing improvements
@eldictator1 When driven hard an electric car has far less range than a gas car driven hard. When cruising an electric car has far less range than a gass car.
As I said before, you can't charge that fast. Unless you are bringing extremely high volatge and amps in, whice is very dangerous, and there are no power hookups like that. Besides, waiting 25 minutes for a charge still isn't good.
@TheOfficialKC Yes it is easy to point out flaws in something, but we have to start somewhere. As I said before the problem has always been the battery, now companies are actually spending hundreds of millions on R&D, we're seeing regular news and developments from various sources. large corporations to small entrepreneurs, large electronic companies to small car companies like Morgan. The development of better batteries and motors will improve not just fuel cell tech but everyday items
or, in reality, a coal burning plant like the ones that supply the vast majority of the world's energy. there is no such thing as free energy. electric vehicles only allow people to offload the polluting to someone else, in an effort to make them feel as if they are "making a differenece", when in reality all youve really done is spent twice as much on a vehicle that is half as entertaining to drive.
Hello, Fantastic job on the bike , Look forward to seeing more. For the sake of debate Think of how much energy it takes to get the oil out of the ground into containment delivered to a refinery and then processed Through all of the electric driven pumps and metering systems and then trucked to a station where it uses electricity to drive the pumps and then it can be pumped in to a vehicle where it will be burnt and emit the vehicles prescribed carbon foot print. That is reality
These are the largest hunks of crap ever. I woudn't mind them so much but the tree huggin losers push these like they are going to save the world. Electric needs to be made somewhere like a plant that has EMISSIONS!!!!! Shame cause michael Czysz has a 990cc gp bike that is awesome. He shoulda went to superbike.
After two years of reading people comment on the Tesla Roadster I'm really sick and tired of these stupid arguments. You haven't a clue what you're talking about - you know only enough to think you do. It's annoying. For the record (and one would think that if you love engines so much you'd know this), the efficiency of size in the huge turbines that power plants use creates an order of magnitude less emissions per watt than the sputtering little smoke puffers we put in our bikes and cars.
Are you going to SAVE the world tree hugger? YOu are the one without a clue. You sheep are all the same. I like some of these bikes but only IF I still have a choice you commie.
that's not a fair argument. i don't have to tell you why. you seem so educated on the issue you should know that it can go either way. and that is with current ICE tech. throw in new stuff like quasiturbine ICE engines and you'll see that if logic prevails, we'll be burning gas (or atleast reacting something to produce power inside a vehicle (not at a power plant) for a long time.
Jmartin: I'm not all that educated, like I said - I just picked up some basic facts. An actual specialist in the field might find *me* annoyingly uninformed, but I don't mind being corrected.
And of course I'm not saying there can't be an overlap, but realistically, a current gasoline ICE on the road right now is about 30% - and coal power plants (the worst technology) start at around 40% and go up. That's ignoring all the other types.
And quasiturbines haven't yet proven themselves, I think.
Agreed! I can live with an electric blender, but not an electric motorcycle...or any other performace machine really. I'll stick to the gas burners forever!
Why would you live with an electric blender? You could get electrocuted with those things - and they're not really *that* efficient. This newfangled electric technology is for losers! If you were a *real* man you'd use an old, manual blender like the cool people do. It makes much better noise than the electric ones, anyway.
well electric cars and bikes have much more torgue than their petrol versions. so it is clean and fast so if you dont need to recharge it every night it would be great. electric cars even run out porsches and ferraris and such. but the sound is awfull. and electric cars are for wimps xd
That's not torque reaction. It would only be TR if the drive shaft went along/down the frame...which wouldn't make any sense at all due to the losses when you turned the driveline through 90 degrees before the chain.
i had to comeback for another look cos i was struggling to accept that it was really that dull. seriously mcn, at what point is this meant be making a lovely sound? its about as thrilling as listening to a washing machine on a fast spin cycle, infact my washing machine sounds more powerful
Why do people insist on uploading videos of dyno runs without posting the results ?
bulldog01209 1 year ago 14
I've followed and watched around the world... BSB, WSB, Moto G.P, northwest 200, macau, Sidecars, Trials, and for one love the tech and hope to see it do well and improve,all the naysayers can bitch all they want...The fact is in ten years time these things will be keeping up with fuel burners and beating them on the road in some cases. I would love to own a Esuperbike one day.
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 Also, people have been saying electricity is the new thing for years, but it never will be. Just like flying cars, it is that technology that will always be right around the corner.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC To be fair the electric motor isn't new and electric vehicles pre date fuel burners by about 20 years. The only problem is the density of batteries.Could we have had better motors and batteries now if oil hadn't been so subsidised in the 1910's and Edison and Ford who were friends made an electric car too, probably. I'm not saying it's perfect, but electric motors will always beat internal combustion.
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 And go take some Electrical Engineering class. kW = V x A. Simple. A battery is rated in kWh. Tesla has a 56kWh battery. To charge that in 5 minutes it would take 672,000kW of power. The highest power connectors used are 400V. That means you have to be using 1680A. The world would explode. The best connectors that you can get in your garage are 240V, 70A. Sorry, you can't change electricity.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC "JFE Engineering is developing a quick charge system that can take a battery from 0 charge to 50% full in about 3 minutes. It has two batteries, one that stores electrical energy from the grid and another that delivers it to the car at extremely high current (500-600 amps, 20kW), which allows it to use a low-voltage power supply (AC200V; while the existing rapid charging systems require a higher power supply voltage 50kW or more, AC6.6kV)."
eldictator1 1 year ago
instant max torque - I love seeing the back end lose it so early.
slidnsideways 1 year ago
This will be the future??? Sorry, but this is not the future. This sound is crazy, makes me nervouse and we need more power plants in the future. Technicians, go another way
Hoshibandit 1 year ago
@Hoshibandit Sorry but it is the future
eldictator1 1 year ago
is that electirc?! thats sick
quicklikeabunny666 2 years ago 3
jup
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
I appluad Mike Czysz and if I had as much money as him I would build my own bikes too.
As for the numbers, I'm sure the hp isn't much but I bet the torque curve is pretty impressive.
Those who know about motors (not engines) will understand.
DoubleAgentBrasco 2 years ago
Yeah, but those that know about Engines and Motors know an Electric will always get stomped by Internal Combustion.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Thats true.........for now.
DoubleAgentBrasco 2 years ago
@TheOfficialKC what a stupid comment e motors are stronger and more powerful its the batterys :)
RainstormGB 2 years ago
An e motor wil NEVER be as powerful as a gas engine. An electric motor with all its batteries is heavy. At the same weight an electric motorcycle will probably make half the power and will ride half is long on a charge.
A Tesla Roadster weighs 700-1000lbs more than an equally powered Exige 260.
And the Exige can go 330 miles on a tank while the Tesla only 100-200miles. The Exige can be refueled in 5 minutes and the Tesla takes 10 hours.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
like i said in my first comments its the batterys :)
the tesla with old style battery's has a fast charge too there not even using lifepo4 cells
the Roadster can travel 244 miles (393 km) on a single charge of its lithium-ion battery pack
A full recharge of the battery system requires 3½ hours using the High Power Connector
if u cant be bothered to look at the facts what hope do we have :)
RainstormGB 2 years ago 3
244 is still 86 miles less than the gas car. Besides Tesla claimed over 200mi and no test got much over 100 miles. So I doubt that 244mi figure.
And that charge still takes 3 hours and 25 minutes more than the gas car.
The Tesla is also slower.
The Tesla also costs twice as much.
Looking at the facts...Gas wins.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
drive a gas car flat out and see what range u have lol
the tesla uses old style battery's which bit dont u understand :)
RainstormGB 2 years ago 3
Drive an Elise flat out and you will get probably 6mpg. That is 66 miles. Drive an electric flat out and it will go 30 miles.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
@TheOfficialKC The Ferrari F40 when driven flat out has 1mpg
eldictator1 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC For now.
BongSao1979 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Telsa model s 300mile range, Daihatsu mira van record 640miles, tesla roadster record 314miles...Ferrari F40 1mpg
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 The e motor makes more torque but the gas makes more power. A F40 may get 1mpg flat out but what does a Tesla do flat out? And that is a Ferrari. Corvettes racing get 15mpg. 15mpg x 18 gallons = 270 miles. A Tesla does about 200 miles cruising. Then when you have to fill up it takes the Corvette 5 minutes and the Tesla 5 hours. How is that the future? Less range and a recharge time that takes so freaking long. That is backwards, not advancement.
As elec. gets better so does IC.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC My point about the F40 1mpg is that when you push other supercars to the limit their range drops too, yet this is never highlighted because we have a large fueling infrastructure. The official range is 245 when cruising and normal driving. Again, If we had fast chargers at every petrol station,(we do have some at the moment) you can get a zero charge to 80% in 25 mins, take it down to 10 mins for a battery that isn't empty
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 Here is the deal, my cellphone takes hours to charge. That is a tiny ass battery. How could a battery(batteries) 10-50 times the size be charged faster?
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Our cellphones have a cheapo Li-on battery and there is no way to cool it..
This bikes battery I hear is "hot swappable" and I'd guess 10KWH.
Just big enough for a race.
Oh, my cell is charged in 90 minutes and its 3yr old. Horses for courses eh? :)
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws The problem with hot swappable is I don't have the money to afford the bike AND extra batteries. Well I could, but not for a hobby. And when I am 50 miles from home, where my batteries are, hot swappable won't help.
So your cellphone takes 90 minutes to charge. Would you want to sit at a gas station for 90 minutes on a ride? Now a battery that holds 10 times the charge and now you have to wait 900 minutes? Not worth it.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Who would bother with a gas station?
Most motorbikes do not travel 50 miles an a day. Some never. The point of an electric bike/car to us is cost. Do the math and you will come to the conclusion its far cheaper, more reliable. Servicing is clean and a breeze with less bits to replace. and the cost per mile will add ~$100 to your yearly electric bill.
Also LiFePo4 cells are not Li-on. These last from 2,000 to 100,000 recharges to 80% eff.,Depending on use.
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws Won't travel 50 miles a day? Have you ever ridden a bike? I can't remember the last time I rode less than 200 miles. 99% of the time I go between 200 and 250 miles in a day. And cost?! Haha, electric bikes will cost you twice the purchase price. Saving a few dollars on gas won't make that up. Especially when you consider you will have to buy a very expensive battery pack down the road.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC I have had a bike since I was 13. Done 100 miles today. Well within the range of the road version of this bike.
200miles * 200days *20yrs at 55mpg = 14545 gallons at how much money? In the UK it will cost me £79k ($127K) for the rest of my life on your supposed mileage 200 times a year. I think its a no-brainer.
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws As motorcycling is only a hobby that is maybe 50 days a year, 45mpg, 200miles, 20 years = 4400 gallons. In the US that will be $14,000. $14000 in gas plus a $10000 bike is only $24,000. Now when you consider an electric bike may cost $20,000 or more, $2000 in electric bills(at your claimed rate), and in those 20 years you will have to replace the several thousand dollar battery pack several times. That is more expensive than the gas bike.
No-brainer.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC You are wrong about these battery's again, no question. These if not corroded = lifetime!
In the UK its 7p/KWH and a m/c uses ~100watt miles. We pay over double for fuel than the USA and with a large engine the road tax is more than a small car.
Add in all our parts replacement, servicing, oils etc. Then ICE gets silly.
The previous 2yr's put 47k miles on the car due to work. Thats $11k+ $600 Service costs+ $600 road tax in your money. Electric : Only $1580. At 300Watt miles.
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws I guarantee those batteries will last 5 years. The ebike is 2x the price of a ICE bike. Put that together and it is way more than you will save in gas.
$600 service costs? Are you crazy?
And where do you commute from? France? 47k miles in 2 years is nuts. Even with traveling I do about 10K a year. On my CAR. And we are talking about MOTORCYCLES, which is probably going to be half that.
Now if everything went electric, what do you think will happen to your electric bill?
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC $600 is two years servicing on a Nissan with UK wages, courtesy car and parts.
Yes, it was nuts but I was asked as a contractor to get those Nimrods flying out of the hangar door. They were too big to go in my garage.
Two years electric bill of $1580 would be considered piffle compared to UK fuel price of $11,000 remember.
Having an EV would of saved me over $10,620 in those two years. Those batterys cost $1 per watt/hour. Like I say, a no-brainer to me.
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws We are comparing MOTORCYCLES. Stick to the subject.
ICE: $10,000 purchase + $14,000 gas (20 years) = $24,000.
E: $20,000 purchase + $2,000 electricity + $2-8,000 batteries = $24-30,000
The electric bike will cost more.
Now factor in that the bike is heavier, less powerful, and limits the range of a ride.
No brainer to me.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC
NP. Lets compare one-offs only. You compare mass production units with low volume stuff. Take a rolling chassis + $1600 motor +$4000 Batts (massive!) + $2000 sundry electronics etc. Call it $10K.
What do you think this motoszysz weighs? Its like a 125.
LiFePo4's are 1/3 density of lead acids and 4x the charge.
Why do you keep on thinking these battery's are the shit out of your mobile phone? They are nothing like! A totally different chemistry.
m1aws 1 year ago
@m1aws If these batteries are so amazing, why aren't there any motorcycles on the market that can prove what you are saying? When someone can build one that costs low, lasts a long time then I will say congrats. But where are they?
I am talking about production bikes. High volume. (Tesla is equivalent to Lotus Exige in market and production ability yet costs twice as much and lasts 2/3 as long). A low volume ebike(like this Motoczysz) will cost $100k+
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC
Oh that's easy! Its called inertia. Manufr's will not adapt.
Sorry, 2/3 as long as an Exige? You mean distance? Horses for courses.
It wont drive like a Tesla which is a rip-off. /watch?v=ZnBpd88pRLA
/watch?v=8DfHyGD7_pM
Back in the 70's I wrote a paper on motorcycle structure and design. Bikes are a joke! I've got an R1100GS after impressively modding my old FJ1200 same as BMW does.
m1aws 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC
Give it time, man. Innovation and development takes time (and money). How long ago was it that bikes like this were just napkin drawings?
Hectectica 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC You didn't factor in the cost of oil and possibly the labor (if you don't want to do it yourself) in the time span of 20 years, as well as the rising cost of gas/petrol. The cost can easily reach and go beyond the cost of an electric bike.
You're also ignoring the fact that it's been speculated that the world's oil resource's availability may not even last that long.
PhantomGP01 8 months ago
@PhantomGP01 I also forgot to factor in the cost of replacement batteries every 5 years that cost as much as 10 years worth of gas, and if we are talking rising costs, if people start adopting electric motorcycles/cars, electric prices will skyrocket while gas will stay the same or drop.
Even if it was close to the same price, which is far from the truth, it still has an extreme lack of range, performance, fun, and charge time.
Half the performance for twice the money. Still.
TheOfficialKC 8 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Please keep in mind that gas/petrol prices are continually rising, while batteries are getting cheaper, as well as newer and better batteries are continuing to come out. I'm not sure where you're getting the whole idea of batteries needing to be replaced after 5 years idea. 5 years is the minimum of when you may notice that the charge the battery/batteries can hold has declined by approximately 5%. At 10 years, approximately another 5%. Not a significant amount.
PhantomGP01 5 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Another factor to consider is that there are ways to generate electricity and give back to the power companies, thus reducing our electricity costs or even getting paid for helping provide electricity to the community.
There's also the reducing costs of batteries as well as newer innovations of batteries that not only increases the capacity and power in one battery, but also increases the life of the battery.
PhantomGP01 8 months ago
@PhantomGP01 Like I said before, electric vehicles are 50 years behind petrol counterparts(also we have enough petrol to last until we discover a completely new fuel source). And as I said, IF and when they can match petrol for price, performance, range and fun I will accept it. To claim they are superior now is stupid.
TheOfficialKC 8 months ago
@PhantomGP01 One more thing we haven't factored in. DI 2-strokes. These have the ability to reduce fuel consumption another 20% or so and reduce the cost of the bike another 20% and reduce maintenance costs another 50% and improve performance and fun significantly.
TheOfficialKC 8 months ago
@m1aws /watch?v=G2YkMoR2kgo
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Seen it. He has his facts totally wrong. I've responded to it
m1aws 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Does it hurt being stupid or is it kind of a numb feeling?
BongSao1979 1 year ago
@BongSao1979 You tell me. You have experience. Read my other comments again and tell me why I am stupid.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Yes it will. There is more torque, the motor is more efficient, your using 3 year old tech as an example as to why it won't beat an ICE burner. The only problem is that the energy density is higher in petroleum.
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 You want an Esuperbike? Why? It will be heavier than anything out there, make less power, and go less distance on a charge. And with gas you can fill up and continue riding whereas electricity you basically have to wait until the next day.
And charge times will never increase, it is an equation of W = VxA and kWh. They can never advance charge time.
And the electric bike will cost twice as much. So have fun paying more for a slower bike with less range.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Because it's new, it's different, it's futuristic, it's cool...Your comparing 120 years of constant development and trillions of dollars spent on oil subsidies, racing tech and R&D to about 5 years lithium ion tech and the first proper E racing championship. Again it's not perfect, but money is actually being spent now, bosch have invested half a billion a year to their Electronic motor and E.v division, panasonic LG etc are building new factories..we're seeeing improvements
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1 When driven hard an electric car has far less range than a gas car driven hard. When cruising an electric car has far less range than a gass car.
As I said before, you can't charge that fast. Unless you are bringing extremely high volatge and amps in, whice is very dangerous, and there are no power hookups like that. Besides, waiting 25 minutes for a charge still isn't good.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Yes it is easy to point out flaws in something, but we have to start somewhere. As I said before the problem has always been the battery, now companies are actually spending hundreds of millions on R&D, we're seeing regular news and developments from various sources. large corporations to small entrepreneurs, large electronic companies to small car companies like Morgan. The development of better batteries and motors will improve not just fuel cell tech but everyday items
eldictator1 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Your equation is seriously flawed, wanna know how? just google "JFE ENGINEERING JAPAN QUICK CHARGE" and "level 3 electric charger"
eldictator1 1 year ago
Pointless video... you may as well just have ridden it up and down outside the unit! Where are the figures?
oursus 2 years ago
Numbers people...This video is a total waste of time without numbers....
Whitehorze 2 years ago 9
I agree.
It's a videa of a guy doing no handed on a bike that's not moving.
At least show us the dyno results?
MarkCopo 2 years ago
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Whats with all the tree-huger and oil-lover BS? This video is about efficiently designed fast motorcycle.
ratryu 2 years ago
Sounds like the Tasmanian Devil from WB cartoons.
NoMercyJustCruelty 2 years ago 2
Way to go, don't burn gas, use electricity generated in a thermoeletric or nuclear plant.
fgherger 2 years ago
or, in reality, a coal burning plant like the ones that supply the vast majority of the world's energy. there is no such thing as free energy. electric vehicles only allow people to offload the polluting to someone else, in an effort to make them feel as if they are "making a differenece", when in reality all youve really done is spent twice as much on a vehicle that is half as entertaining to drive.
Jmartin2683 2 years ago 3
Hello, Fantastic job on the bike , Look forward to seeing more. For the sake of debate Think of how much energy it takes to get the oil out of the ground into containment delivered to a refinery and then processed Through all of the electric driven pumps and metering systems and then trucked to a station where it uses electricity to drive the pumps and then it can be pumped in to a vehicle where it will be burnt and emit the vehicles prescribed carbon foot print. That is reality
dappman 2 years ago
Jmartin2683 cant even be brother to explain no idea if u cant read some facts dont bother commenting sort of makes u look stupid
have u riden an electric bike?
thats the Americas for u
rainstormaeroponics 2 years ago
Sembra la sirena che si usava in città quando c'erano i bombardamenti..
laguna182 2 years ago
These are the largest hunks of crap ever. I woudn't mind them so much but the tree huggin losers push these like they are going to save the world. Electric needs to be made somewhere like a plant that has EMISSIONS!!!!! Shame cause michael Czysz has a 990cc gp bike that is awesome. He shoulda went to superbike.
rockgod01 2 years ago
After two years of reading people comment on the Tesla Roadster I'm really sick and tired of these stupid arguments. You haven't a clue what you're talking about - you know only enough to think you do. It's annoying. For the record (and one would think that if you love engines so much you'd know this), the efficiency of size in the huge turbines that power plants use creates an order of magnitude less emissions per watt than the sputtering little smoke puffers we put in our bikes and cars.
KillahMate 2 years ago
Are you going to SAVE the world tree hugger? YOu are the one without a clue. You sheep are all the same. I like some of these bikes but only IF I still have a choice you commie.
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oursus 2 years ago
that's not a fair argument. i don't have to tell you why. you seem so educated on the issue you should know that it can go either way. and that is with current ICE tech. throw in new stuff like quasiturbine ICE engines and you'll see that if logic prevails, we'll be burning gas (or atleast reacting something to produce power inside a vehicle (not at a power plant) for a long time.
Jmartin2683 2 years ago
Jmartin: I'm not all that educated, like I said - I just picked up some basic facts. An actual specialist in the field might find *me* annoyingly uninformed, but I don't mind being corrected.
And of course I'm not saying there can't be an overlap, but realistically, a current gasoline ICE on the road right now is about 30% - and coal power plants (the worst technology) start at around 40% and go up. That's ignoring all the other types.
And quasiturbines haven't yet proven themselves, I think.
KillahMate 2 years ago
there is soooo much power around to make electric energy and u think u have to burn stuff erm open your eyes please
in fact the biggest one lets u see in the day
its that big thing in the sky u must have seen it :)
rainstormaeroponics 2 years ago
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ratryu 2 years ago
Go Electric!!!! What you are witnessing is the beginning of an unstoppable force called innovation!!! >:)
evmotorcycle 2 years ago 2
its the dyno that makes the whining noise :)
blod5 2 years ago
i saw a vid of this bike on a track. It's pretty bloody noisy... ;-)
not4resale 2 years ago
dint sound anything like an m1 gp bike sounds like a wind up toy car
JoeRUGBY10 2 years ago
it sounds like an air raid siren. Not that we have many in Cumbria! hahaha
j2112c 2 years ago 2
it sound like an f1 car! fuckin' sick.... and f1 motorcycle: m1 gp bike, lolz
brainfable16 2 years ago
This is meaningless without numbers/graphs!
s6p6h 2 years ago
I need to see laptimes.
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linaicui521 2 years ago
Yay, like a riding a tram.
4strip 2 years ago
I don't know... I think I could never get used to this sound... sure it's clean and so on... but I really prefer the good old petrol-bikes...
stillraining1983 2 years ago
Agreed! I can live with an electric blender, but not an electric motorcycle...or any other performace machine really. I'll stick to the gas burners forever!
Xx69roadrunnerxX 2 years ago
lol then u will lose races lol and be left behind lol
rainstormaeroponics 2 years ago
Wait til you see what these bikes can do - watch the TTxGP, and remember that this is just the very start.....
SpikeyMike1 2 years ago 3
Why would you live with an electric blender? You could get electrocuted with those things - and they're not really *that* efficient. This newfangled electric technology is for losers! If you were a *real* man you'd use an old, manual blender like the cool people do. It makes much better noise than the electric ones, anyway.
KillahMate 2 years ago
that's electric? wow
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linaicui521 2 years ago
The most pressing question that we should be asking: Are AA batteries included in the package?
PsychoSpiral 2 years ago
It'll be a while until I'm sold on electric vehicles. What were the figures this thing put out?
marcellon2003 2 years ago
the most strange thing is not even the sound. is that you don´t hear gear shifting. for me that is very weird.
jonysuave 2 years ago
its single speed.
frodus17 2 years ago 2
I see him change gear at the very start of the video so I do not think it's single speed. I could be wrong though.
I think it's a roll on from the top gear all the way through the rev range.
wildchild213 2 years ago
Its single speed, I can confirm this. At first he goes, and feels it slipping sideways and backs off the throttle...
frodus17 2 years ago
well electric cars and bikes have much more torgue than their petrol versions. so it is clean and fast so if you dont need to recharge it every night it would be great. electric cars even run out porsches and ferraris and such. but the sound is awfull. and electric cars are for wimps xd
patrickroks 2 years ago
yeah like shitting in your own bed is really tough...ie poluting the air you breathe. You have small dick complex
EagleWoLF777 2 years ago 2
Zee Germans are coming!!! ....sounded like an air-raid siren.
CharlieSangster 2 years ago 29
for you petrol, zee var is over!
biz360 2 years ago 14
lol
jonysuave 2 years ago
look at the torque reaction at the tyre, never seen a petrol bike of whatever cc do that on any dyno............im impressed
dxr1jockey 2 years ago
That's not torque reaction. It would only be TR if the drive shaft went along/down the frame...which wouldn't make any sense at all due to the losses when you turned the driveline through 90 degrees before the chain.
i think it was just a hiccup
mattblack77nz 2 years ago
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oursus 2 years ago
i had to comeback for another look cos i was struggling to accept that it was really that dull. seriously mcn, at what point is this meant be making a lovely sound? its about as thrilling as listening to a washing machine on a fast spin cycle, infact my washing machine sounds more powerful
biz360 2 years ago 8
Listen to that evocative of the screaming in-line 4 engine.......
OH WAIT. *shrugs*
jamiebridges123 2 years ago 4
that left me feeling empty and totally emotionless
biz360 2 years ago 2
well thats not very exciting
alan4391 2 years ago