@irishraver38 Did you even watch the video? We are trying to help you guys out here, yet you continue. If you don't like our videos, change the channel...simple. Mike BD
@blamethenile . all i asked of you mikeBD is to stop bad mouthing AA. if you dont like AA dont go. simple . leave peoples to meake their own minds up. who are you ? are you a doctor ? are you god ? ... lets have it right mikeBD , you like myself are no more than a bog standard drunk. with a twisted mind, trying to get people out the door of AA, just because you dont like AA. ......
@irishraver38 When AA stops signing court slips and starts telling the truth about its methods, membership, outcomes and religiosity, we will go away. Till then, here we are. Might I suggest page 417 until that time? Mike BD
@blamethenile .. hahahhha, yo mike . yor so funny dude.. you telling me to read from the big book of AA, my bible... The book for AA's, that i have saw you in other videos slating off.. hahahaha... you need to make your mind up dude..
LEAVE AA ALONE. go back to what ever it is you think you are good at .. hahahaahh
@irishraver38 Just trying to speak the dialect in which you are the most conversant. First things first, one day at a time, and keep coming back. Mike BD
@blamethenile it seems to me that you have a substantialy larger ego than God himself/herself.. self will run riot mikebd. pffft.. here you are now slating of peoples beliefs !!!. i do hope that there are some sane peoples reading your sick posts. pleased dont respond to my posts anymore mike. please stop stalking me or i will have to report you to the authorities.. its a bit sick and twisted at this stage now mike. it seems like you really could do with a programme. goodbye friend. x god bless
@averagepope lol. another one. that wuld be about right... 18 steps. 18 to many fo you my friend. what about you my friend ? have you had the pleasure of getting a sponsor and humbling yorself . have you done any of the 12 steps ? how long have yo been dry ? :) please reply
@blamethenile .my friend, i have never once claimed to be a psychiatrist. but it does seem to be that you are the one with all the answers. why are you name calling now brother , you the one with all the serenity of 26 years of recovery ? which im sure you goT the foundation of that recovery in AA.... AM I RIGHT ? . also, you still have not answered me, in regards of : have you done the 12 steps ?
@irishraver38 See our video "Spontaneous Remission" to see how I became abstinent. The steps are nonsensical and unworkable. Why are you still up keyboarding at someone with whom you disagree at 3:15 am? Mike BD
@blamethenile nonsensical and unworkable ?? to who ? ... yo honestly believe that ?. am I a liar? i AM a regular attender of AA . i love it and the programme. nobody has ever asked me for anything in return.. nobody has ever told me what to do either. i could either do it or not do it. i wanted to get well, so i did it , and now i do it ... you should try it ...lol
@irishraver38 A million new ones this year, a million more next year, yet its membership keeps declining. See our video "AA Retention Rates" for further explanation. Mike BD
@blamethenile. All these sick, twisted and bitter videos posted by blamethenile...
RESENTMENTS .... the number 1 offender. they kill more alcoholics than anything else. blamethenile you need to deal with em.Please leave AA alone. it works for people who want it, and are willing to put some effort into their recovery...... HALF MEASURES AVAILED US NOTHING. Have you done the 12 steps MDblamethenile ??????????????????? :)
@irishraver38 There are actually 18 steps. You have to work your way into the upper echelons before we reveal the final six steps to you. Kinda like scientology. Just keep coming back, and don't forget your change purse.
you gotta understand one thing. if someone is sent to AA by the courts, police, etc. and that person has no interest in being there, apart from getting his ticket signed by the secretary after the meeting. that same person has no desire to recover... thats a fact !!. these facts also paint a bad picture for our fellowship of AA. chapter 5 : never have we seen a person fail who has thouroughly followed our path !!! . ( our , being AA members) steps and programme . you should try it MD blamethen
@irishraver38 So quit welcoming predators, criminals, pedophiles, and the mentally ill with open arms, lousy coffee, and redundant topics. Also see our video "How It REALLY Works" for a response to your "rarely have we seen" nonsense. Mike BD
@blamethenile we dont discriminate. our common welfare comes first tradition 1. you my friend are a very sick individual.. spiritualy and mentaly... so what infact y are actuallysaying is you choose who joins your network offellowship ? ummmm. i hope the have te odd well person in there. are you the leader of thepack ???
Mike BD, I like AA -- at least some and I am selective. Your points are EXCELLENT and echo my comments on other vid.
I visited a 'recovery conference' on invite, and I felt embarrassed that Columbus AA had a table with "Corp AA" pushing treatment institutions and new legislation. Better aspects were one nice Veterans org guy and a psycho lady with her profane book on crack.
AA should belong to drunks who WANT and NEED it, and it's been flexible enough for atheists and druggies too. DOWN CORP AA
What do you mean 'take back control'? AA was founded by a freemason as you well know who by rule are heavily involved in judiciary and polic matters and another man who was basically a philanderer and criminal. The program has never really been a program intended to heal alcoholics. All alcoholics need to take control of their own lives and they can start y taking responsibility for themselves and leaving the cults of aa and masonry to die off.
@blamethenile or just let the whole cult die off and humanity evolves to healing through responsibility. I personally don't want my family 'taking back' anything that has to do with this cult. What I want them to take back is their lives and begin to care again about the ppl who have always supported and stood by them long before AA ever came into the picture.
@beautifulmind546 Hello. AA is strong on personal responsibility, or should be, "Powerless" notwithstanding. Misunderstood.
If I cannot overcome what amounts to OCD re booze and Self by applying Self-Willpower, then decision to rely on "God" (to reduce Self-Will Run Riot) is sound concept. Many ppl evade further Action.
"God" refers to abstract, infinite, OMNI spirit-entity, not tangible "thing", similar to virtual reality. Ppl today grok many kinds of virtual reality, Sims, Peter Griffin, etc
@dilbertgeg Here's quotation of why AA seems short on responsibility:
Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation. But we saw that it really worked in others, and we had come to believe in the hopelessness and futility of life as we had been living it.
Many AA 'members' evade parts they don't like, and "institutional AA" TELLS them to DELAY and AVOID key actions. Hence ...
@dilbertgeg John Taylor Gatto talks/writes about "institutional schooling" vs. learning, how schools developed anti-phonics programs to pressure kids to NOT read too much. Whole word. In place of serious lit, Sally, Dick, Jane, and Spot. Gatto explains how and why schools dev'd in collusion with Industry and Business to retard learning and standardize people into consumers. There's reflections between that and AA's shift from anarchistic fellowship to (indirect) state-corp-linked institution.
I especially liked the part where you say "anyone can practiced unlicensed psychology or religious conversion without consequences"
I have always believed that the power that untrained laymen get over others is a driving force why damaged people remain in AA: so that they can become "sponsors" and hold this undeserved power over others, which is enforced by the coercive power of the group (gang psychology) as well as threats of jails institutions and death, on a vulnerable person.
I think there is alot of truth in this video. thanks for posting. Check out our blog at stop13step in AA or google make aa safer
AA needs a changin man. The courts are sending all the nuts the homeless. 20% of mixed meetings are not even alcoholics. WE have become the dumping ground for our court system. It does not work. Just because we are free.
I have and will not ever sign a court card. It is completely against our traditions.
@inwood75 My friend was new in 80s when Reagan slashed funds for mental institutions. A small intimate group of drunks and occasional newcomer suddenly had 20 people from psych wards talking to themselves, sent by doctor for "free therapy". They were not kicked out of 'open meeting', but AA got diluted.
I go to solid meetings w good wit, so I don't know how bad other groups are. Big Cities may be worse due to Corp AA. Altruistic to help drunks/court, but papers make AA arm of legal sys. TRUE
@dilbertgeg I left AA in 1981, and didn't return until 1994. Locally, membership and the number of meetings had tripled during my absence. I have to agree with the mental health observation. Small wonder, since many of its adherents believe steppism to be a valid solution for everything from cluttering to self-cutting. Mike BD
i have been sober for 30 yrs i cant go to meeting becauese of all the deciving idaes waterd down crap in it i just 12 step people now or go to meeting to find people that need help and sponcer them out side meetings
@beingther ... predator more like ... . 13 step more like . vunerable girlsi bet .. besides how can yu sponsor anybody if yu are not being sponsored ?
10 I allowed a bunch of angry self proclaimed alcoholics to continuously break down my will.
11. I was told to speak with an invisible man in the sky or my toaster and ask them what to do on every decision that I made. When I told the sponsor that my toaster and invisible man did not answer me, he said that he heard them talking. He said that he had years of experience and so he could hear the invisible voices. I then, did want he told me, the voices were telling me to do.
@AAPetofile that last comment tells a big story about your sobriety . ...... i will pray for you my friend. to jesus my saviour. not the toaster. God bless yo my son. please make sure that yo stay away from the newcomers. gve them a chance to ge well, with some well people ...
@notspeedy0314 yu my friend are a very angry person .. maybe yu should read te12x12, and start going through the big book with a sponsor ... housecleaning
My attorney advised I attend AA meetings to appear "cooperative" before the Court. The attorneys are actually the problem, it has nothing to do with the fact that I liked to have a drink now and then.
The appearance of cooperation is the entire basis of mandated AA attendance. AA members appear to cooperate with the coercers. Judges, doctors, lawyers, and agencies appear to cooperate with AA. Coercees appear to cooperate with legitimate AA members. Drug addicts and other non-alcoholics appear to be AA members in order to get their slips signed. Lots of cooperation, but little of substance being achieved in the process. Thanks for your post. Mike
@bouldenave87 enough said... di you go to AA for the sake of notgetting sentenced ?.. you go and thn yo ake the piss out of something that hs saved so many peoles lives .. he should havejailed you instead, its thelikes of yo and all yorfreak friends that giveAA a bad name ...
Many AA members conveniently forget the Christian overtones in the AA texts and reassuringly tell newcomers they can choose their own higher power. However, AA literature makes the case for the supernatural removal of alcohol obsession and character defects. ". . . only an act of Providence can remove it from us."(12&12) Most meetings continue to close with the Lord's Prayer from the Book of Matthew in the New Testament. I think this cognitive dissonance confuses people.
Close examination of AA dogma and literature reveals much that is heretical to mainstream Christianity. Even the god-steps could easily be construed as heretical to Christian belief. Mike
Christian denominations like Catholic and Protestant have made the same charge to each other.
I don't mean to imply that AA is a new Christian denomination. I'm stating that AA's roots come out of Protestant Revivalism, Christian Endeavor meetings and the Oxford Groups. Much of Wilson's writings allude to a patriarchal godhead. Wilson was inspired by The Sermon on the Mount, Emmett Fox, 1st Corinthians, and the Book of James while writing the Big Book. This background shapes the culture in AA.
I have paid attention to your videos and admire your tenacity. I think you have good solutions to offer. Thank you for presenting a different point of view. I hope we can be friends.
I don't use culture and religion interchangeably although they're related. I define religion as ritual observance of the supernatural and culture as the sum total of behaviors and beliefs in a society. The "culture" in AA is conducive to religious bullying by many members when they comment. People bring their own beliefs from the larger culture into AA. Those who remain do so because AA fits into the beliefs of their culture; not difficult in a culture heavily influenced by Christianity.
I don't know of a way to police AA since each group is its own authority. GSO in New York doesn't have oversight into each group conscience unless each group decides to communicate with GSO. GSO's main purpose is to supply the AA literature around the world. The AA literature sets the culture in AA meetings. Since religious conversion is an integral part of the program members who stay end up adhering to AA dogma from the Big Book and the 12&12.
Leaving is a tough deal, especially if you have been going for awhile. Feel free to weigh in here or on our other sites anytime, however it goes for you. Some folks find that they just need to take breaks from time to time. Good luck to you. Mike
Judges who mandate people to AA as a part of their probation are violating the separation of church and state. However, if the chairperson refuses to sign court slips then the people mandated to AA will be in trouble with the court. In this case I think it's wrong to take a political stand at someone's expense. I do agree with you in principle. There need to be more options on the table.
A letter from the group to the local courts informing them that the group has decided to adhere to the traditions of AA and no longer sign individual attendance slips would likely eliminate that problem. Mike
Your taste in music says it all.PS aren't you special?!
MrBodypro8 2 months ago
sick sick sick .... if you guys dont like AA dont go.. simple :)))
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Did you even watch the video? We are trying to help you guys out here, yet you continue. If you don't like our videos, change the channel...simple. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile . all i asked of you mikeBD is to stop bad mouthing AA. if you dont like AA dont go. simple . leave peoples to meake their own minds up. who are you ? are you a doctor ? are you god ? ... lets have it right mikeBD , you like myself are no more than a bog standard drunk. with a twisted mind, trying to get people out the door of AA, just because you dont like AA. ......
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 When AA stops signing court slips and starts telling the truth about its methods, membership, outcomes and religiosity, we will go away. Till then, here we are. Might I suggest page 417 until that time? Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile .. hahahhha, yo mike . yor so funny dude.. you telling me to read from the big book of AA, my bible... The book for AA's, that i have saw you in other videos slating off.. hahahaha... you need to make your mind up dude..
LEAVE AA ALONE. go back to what ever it is you think you are good at .. hahahaahh
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Just trying to speak the dialect in which you are the most conversant. First things first, one day at a time, and keep coming back. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile enough thanks... you keep contradicting yourelf my friend ...lol
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Yet you keep coming back for more. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile you tryin to help us ???? lmao.. NO THANKS, we like the spiritual approach mike .. you should try it ..lol
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 I prefer an admittedly-religious approach myself. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile it seems to me that you have a substantialy larger ego than God himself/herself.. self will run riot mikebd. pffft.. here you are now slating of peoples beliefs !!!. i do hope that there are some sane peoples reading your sick posts. pleased dont respond to my posts anymore mike. please stop stalking me or i will have to report you to the authorities.. its a bit sick and twisted at this stage now mike. it seems like you really could do with a programme. goodbye friend. x god bless
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Thanks for stopping by. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@averagepope lol. another one. that wuld be about right... 18 steps. 18 to many fo you my friend. what about you my friend ? have you had the pleasure of getting a sponsor and humbling yorself . have you done any of the 12 steps ? how long have yo been dry ? :) please reply
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 What do I have to be humble about? Oh, sorry, you weren't talking to me. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile .my friend, i have never once claimed to be a psychiatrist. but it does seem to be that you are the one with all the answers. why are you name calling now brother , you the one with all the serenity of 26 years of recovery ? which im sure you goT the foundation of that recovery in AA.... AM I RIGHT ? . also, you still have not answered me, in regards of : have you done the 12 steps ?
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 See our video "Spontaneous Remission" to see how I became abstinent. The steps are nonsensical and unworkable. Why are you still up keyboarding at someone with whom you disagree at 3:15 am? Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile someones gota keep an eye on you ya sick sick man.... :)))
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Carry on, then. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile nonsensical and unworkable ?? to who ? ... yo honestly believe that ?. am I a liar? i AM a regular attender of AA . i love it and the programme. nobody has ever asked me for anything in return.. nobody has ever told me what to do either. i could either do it or not do it. i wanted to get well, so i did it , and now i do it ... you should try it ...lol
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Nice serenity rant. Keep typing. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOTHING SHORT OF A DRY DRUNK !!!!....LOL
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 As long as we are friends, I'm OK with that. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
WHY HAS AA GOT MILLIONS OF MEMBERS, WORLDWIDE ?.... UMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... LOL @ blamethenile
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 A million new ones this year, a million more next year, yet its membership keeps declining. See our video "AA Retention Rates" for further explanation. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile. All these sick, twisted and bitter videos posted by blamethenile...
RESENTMENTS .... the number 1 offender. they kill more alcoholics than anything else. blamethenile you need to deal with em.Please leave AA alone. it works for people who want it, and are willing to put some effort into their recovery...... HALF MEASURES AVAILED US NOTHING. Have you done the 12 steps MDblamethenile ??????????????????? :)
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Sounds like you have a resentment. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@irishraver38 There are actually 18 steps. You have to work your way into the upper echelons before we reveal the final six steps to you. Kinda like scientology. Just keep coming back, and don't forget your change purse.
AveragePope 3 months ago
you gotta understand one thing. if someone is sent to AA by the courts, police, etc. and that person has no interest in being there, apart from getting his ticket signed by the secretary after the meeting. that same person has no desire to recover... thats a fact !!. these facts also paint a bad picture for our fellowship of AA. chapter 5 : never have we seen a person fail who has thouroughly followed our path !!! . ( our , being AA members) steps and programme . you should try it MD blamethen
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 So quit welcoming predators, criminals, pedophiles, and the mentally ill with open arms, lousy coffee, and redundant topics. Also see our video "How It REALLY Works" for a response to your "rarely have we seen" nonsense. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile we dont discriminate. our common welfare comes first tradition 1. you my friend are a very sick individual.. spiritualy and mentaly... so what infact y are actuallysaying is you choose who joins your network offellowship ? ummmm. i hope the have te odd well person in there. are you the leader of thepack ???
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Are you a real psychiatrist, or do you just play one in AA meetings? Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
Mike BD, I like AA -- at least some and I am selective. Your points are EXCELLENT and echo my comments on other vid.
I visited a 'recovery conference' on invite, and I felt embarrassed that Columbus AA had a table with "Corp AA" pushing treatment institutions and new legislation. Better aspects were one nice Veterans org guy and a psycho lady with her profane book on crack.
AA should belong to drunks who WANT and NEED it, and it's been flexible enough for atheists and druggies too. DOWN CORP AA
dilbertgeg 4 months ago
What do you mean 'take back control'? AA was founded by a freemason as you well know who by rule are heavily involved in judiciary and polic matters and another man who was basically a philanderer and criminal. The program has never really been a program intended to heal alcoholics. All alcoholics need to take control of their own lives and they can start y taking responsibility for themselves and leaving the cults of aa and masonry to die off.
beautifulmind546 9 months ago 2
@beautifulmind546 Sure, take it away from the freemasons, the judges, the parole officers, Pinsky, Gibson, Kennedy and the rest. Mike BD
blamethenile 9 months ago 2
@blamethenile or just let the whole cult die off and humanity evolves to healing through responsibility. I personally don't want my family 'taking back' anything that has to do with this cult. What I want them to take back is their lives and begin to care again about the ppl who have always supported and stood by them long before AA ever came into the picture.
beautifulmind546 9 months ago
@beautifulmind546 Hello. AA is strong on personal responsibility, or should be, "Powerless" notwithstanding. Misunderstood.
If I cannot overcome what amounts to OCD re booze and Self by applying Self-Willpower, then decision to rely on "God" (to reduce Self-Will Run Riot) is sound concept. Many ppl evade further Action.
"God" refers to abstract, infinite, OMNI spirit-entity, not tangible "thing", similar to virtual reality. Ppl today grok many kinds of virtual reality, Sims, Peter Griffin, etc
dilbertgeg 4 months ago
@dilbertgeg Here's quotation of why AA seems short on responsibility:
Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation. But we saw that it really worked in others, and we had come to believe in the hopelessness and futility of life as we had been living it.
Many AA 'members' evade parts they don't like, and "institutional AA" TELLS them to DELAY and AVOID key actions. Hence ...
dilbertgeg 4 months ago
@dilbertgeg John Taylor Gatto talks/writes about "institutional schooling" vs. learning, how schools developed anti-phonics programs to pressure kids to NOT read too much. Whole word. In place of serious lit, Sally, Dick, Jane, and Spot. Gatto explains how and why schools dev'd in collusion with Industry and Business to retard learning and standardize people into consumers. There's reflections between that and AA's shift from anarchistic fellowship to (indirect) state-corp-linked institution.
dilbertgeg 4 months ago
@dilbertgeg "OCD re booze" < no such thing. Just a dramatic lie made up to avoid your responsibility and your choices.
beautifulmind546 4 months ago
I especially liked the part where you say "anyone can practiced unlicensed psychology or religious conversion without consequences"
I have always believed that the power that untrained laymen get over others is a driving force why damaged people remain in AA: so that they can become "sponsors" and hold this undeserved power over others, which is enforced by the coercive power of the group (gang psychology) as well as threats of jails institutions and death, on a vulnerable person.
Commonsense11111 10 months ago 2
I think there is alot of truth in this video. thanks for posting. Check out our blog at stop13step in AA or google make aa safer
AA needs a changin man. The courts are sending all the nuts the homeless. 20% of mixed meetings are not even alcoholics. WE have become the dumping ground for our court system. It does not work. Just because we are free.
I have and will not ever sign a court card. It is completely against our traditions.
inwood75 1 year ago 2
@inwood75 My friend was new in 80s when Reagan slashed funds for mental institutions. A small intimate group of drunks and occasional newcomer suddenly had 20 people from psych wards talking to themselves, sent by doctor for "free therapy". They were not kicked out of 'open meeting', but AA got diluted.
I go to solid meetings w good wit, so I don't know how bad other groups are. Big Cities may be worse due to Corp AA. Altruistic to help drunks/court, but papers make AA arm of legal sys. TRUE
dilbertgeg 4 months ago
@dilbertgeg I left AA in 1981, and didn't return until 1994. Locally, membership and the number of meetings had tripled during my absence. I have to agree with the mental health observation. Small wonder, since many of its adherents believe steppism to be a valid solution for everything from cluttering to self-cutting. Mike BD
blamethenile 4 months ago
i have been sober for 30 yrs i cant go to meeting becauese of all the deciving idaes waterd down crap in it i just 12 step people now or go to meeting to find people that need help and sponcer them out side meetings
beingther 2 years ago
@beingther ... predator more like ... . 13 step more like . vunerable girlsi bet .. besides how can yu sponsor anybody if yu are not being sponsored ?
irishraver38 3 months ago
you are so right ,we are being taken over by the rulemakers!! who said they could be in charge?
Dadudechilin 2 years ago
10 I allowed a bunch of angry self proclaimed alcoholics to continuously break down my will.
11. I was told to speak with an invisible man in the sky or my toaster and ask them what to do on every decision that I made. When I told the sponsor that my toaster and invisible man did not answer me, he said that he heard them talking. He said that he had years of experience and so he could hear the invisible voices. I then, did want he told me, the voices were telling me to do.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
@AAPetofile are you still sober dude ??????????? :) yu dont hve to believe in god, you just gotta stop acting like him...
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 completely sober. are you still molesting children?
AAPetofile 3 months ago
@AAPetofile that last comment tells a big story about your sobriety . ...... i will pray for you my friend. to jesus my saviour. not the toaster. God bless yo my son. please make sure that yo stay away from the newcomers. gve them a chance to ge well, with some well people ...
irishraver38 3 months ago
holy cats! 'no failure in AA; normal wastage' - are you even mildly aware of how callous & inhumane that sounds?
f**k the 12x12! read up on 'eugenics' or 'social darwinism'. they sound more like your program than 'love & service'.
you couldn't have made blamedenial's larger case more easily. you'd do well to 'think think think' before posting again.
notspeedy0314 3 years ago 2
@notspeedy0314 yu my friend are a very angry person .. maybe yu should read te12x12, and start going through the big book with a sponsor ... housecleaning
irishraver38 3 months ago
This ones better.
bastardrob 3 years ago
No one here is applying for a leadership position, and our facts are sound, but thanks for weighing in. We are always glad to find a new pal. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
My attorney advised I attend AA meetings to appear "cooperative" before the Court. The attorneys are actually the problem, it has nothing to do with the fact that I liked to have a drink now and then.
bouldenave87 3 years ago
The appearance of cooperation is the entire basis of mandated AA attendance. AA members appear to cooperate with the coercers. Judges, doctors, lawyers, and agencies appear to cooperate with AA. Coercees appear to cooperate with legitimate AA members. Drug addicts and other non-alcoholics appear to be AA members in order to get their slips signed. Lots of cooperation, but little of substance being achieved in the process. Thanks for your post. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
@bouldenave87 enough said... di you go to AA for the sake of notgetting sentenced ?.. you go and thn yo ake the piss out of something that hs saved so many peoles lives .. he should havejailed you instead, its thelikes of yo and all yorfreak friends that giveAA a bad name ...
irishraver38 3 months ago
Many AA members conveniently forget the Christian overtones in the AA texts and reassuringly tell newcomers they can choose their own higher power. However, AA literature makes the case for the supernatural removal of alcohol obsession and character defects. ". . . only an act of Providence can remove it from us."(12&12) Most meetings continue to close with the Lord's Prayer from the Book of Matthew in the New Testament. I think this cognitive dissonance confuses people.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 2
Close examination of AA dogma and literature reveals much that is heretical to mainstream Christianity. Even the god-steps could easily be construed as heretical to Christian belief. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
Christian denominations like Catholic and Protestant have made the same charge to each other.
I don't mean to imply that AA is a new Christian denomination. I'm stating that AA's roots come out of Protestant Revivalism, Christian Endeavor meetings and the Oxford Groups. Much of Wilson's writings allude to a patriarchal godhead. Wilson was inspired by The Sermon on the Mount, Emmett Fox, 1st Corinthians, and the Book of James while writing the Big Book. This background shapes the culture in AA.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 3
I have paid attention to your videos and admire your tenacity. I think you have good solutions to offer. Thank you for presenting a different point of view. I hope we can be friends.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 5
Of course we can. Thanks for the post. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
I don't use culture and religion interchangeably although they're related. I define religion as ritual observance of the supernatural and culture as the sum total of behaviors and beliefs in a society. The "culture" in AA is conducive to religious bullying by many members when they comment. People bring their own beliefs from the larger culture into AA. Those who remain do so because AA fits into the beliefs of their culture; not difficult in a culture heavily influenced by Christianity.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 3
I don't know of a way to police AA since each group is its own authority. GSO in New York doesn't have oversight into each group conscience unless each group decides to communicate with GSO. GSO's main purpose is to supply the AA literature around the world. The AA literature sets the culture in AA meetings. Since religious conversion is an integral part of the program members who stay end up adhering to AA dogma from the Big Book and the 12&12.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago
I would strongly urge you to further investigate the true agenda of AAWSGSO in New York by visiting GSOwatch at Yahoogroups. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
Thank you for the information Mike. I am in the process of leaving. This isn't easy for me.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 5
Leaving is a tough deal, especially if you have been going for awhile. Feel free to weigh in here or on our other sites anytime, however it goes for you. Some folks find that they just need to take breaks from time to time. Good luck to you. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
ok , I am confused. When you put the name Mike at the end of your posts are saying you are Mike or are you nadressing soemone named Mike?
ebrp68 3 years ago
We have two people who answer posts, J and Mike. Each signs our own posts. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
Judges who mandate people to AA as a part of their probation are violating the separation of church and state. However, if the chairperson refuses to sign court slips then the people mandated to AA will be in trouble with the court. In this case I think it's wrong to take a political stand at someone's expense. I do agree with you in principle. There need to be more options on the table.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago
A letter from the group to the local courts informing them that the group has decided to adhere to the traditions of AA and no longer sign individual attendance slips would likely eliminate that problem. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago
Great idea. It brings a smile to my face.
SCRYER1973 3 years ago 2
Thanks for the comment. We're glad the vid hit home with you. Mike
blamethenile 3 years ago