Danish Paper: Obama Is Greater Than Jesus

[goreziad]

I'm a Dane too.. fuck fox, fuck religion... fuck politics.

[simonwedege]

They clearly didn't even read the article. I did. The newspaper is using the "Jesus" comparison in a clearly sarcastic way, as Obama mockingly was called the "savior" by the american right wing politicians.

[mcdinkity]

well at least obama exists

[DeadFishFactory]

Anyone who exists is greater than Jesus--he doesn't exist.

[Wofumpf]

Seems the Danes were too quick to judge. Not saying Jesus is the greatest then, but neither are/were great

[MuayThaiViking]

@Wofumpf we danes are very sarcastic. it was the democrats who called obama a ''savior'' and they made fun of it by comparing him to jesus. its just fox news that are too dumb to realise that

[MuayThaiViking]

@Wofumpf but it does seem wrong that fox news could make such a mistake i agree..

[IdaABC]

I'am a dane and I don't think Obama is the messiah

[gadzy]

There's factual news and then there's American news.

[CuntTornado]

It's funny that the people who talk most about "sipping kool-aid" are the one's doing it in church every week.

[navnforfandenda]

I remember that newspaper, it was a comment on his popularity, nothing more.

[Sarkrum]

@navnforfandenda Exactly. I'm Danish and a regular reader of Politiken and you are absolutely right. This is just another perfect example of Fox absolutely ignoring the context and making up their own facts. Now that's great journalism for you right there (oh, and that was an example of Danish irony by the way).

[Somai82]

90% of the human population is greater than Jesus.

[pixiec3]

So the Danes are just as deluded as the Norwegians in their love of the Chicago fraud. Still sipping the Kool Aid I see.

[B1aDK]

@pixiec3 Unfortunately we dont have Kool-Aid over here.

[Fas6pa]

Obama is greater than Jesus. Simply because Jesus did not exist.

[theredpillxxx]

this is the use of blasphemy to gain headlines,nothing more.The Danes are irrelivent.

[hobo59]

The Danish paper is known as Atheist porn magazine !

[MichaelSJLH]

both are more symbolism than substance, and both are worshiped by the gullible.

[eye7view]

Satan's trick, link santa with Jesus and people will believe both are fake. including satan.

[hassan09]

Obama>Jesus.

Obama=real.

Jesus=fake.

Simple enough

[Reid573]

I always think of Obama whenever I hear a Christian apologist talk about Jesus.

When these guys are debating they try to sound as rational as possible so when the conversation turns to their belief in Jesus, they can only ever bring themselves to credit him with being someone who won over hearts and minds in spectacular fashion (check out Craig vs Hitchens).

Can the same not be said about Obama? Do his phenomenal oratory skills make him the offspring of the creator of the universe?

[kamlem]

Well, there is evidence that Obama is a real person, so he has that going for him...

[166beads]

well at least they like Obama more than his own country, Im suprised Fox actually mentioned this, makes America look quite stupid

[infidel100]

The diference between the two is that Obama actually exists.

[Commenticus]

Probably the same paper that gave us the antiIslam cartoons. stick with making cheese

[Kevlar1983]

I'm greater than Jesus, you don't see a danish newspaper reporting on that.

Of course I consider most people greater than Jesus, but what are you gonna do?

[byteresistor]

You beat me to it.

[hassleoffa]

Jesus was a socialist just like Obama ...

[megagrey]

Screwy as Obama's proven to be, between the two, I'll take an actual person over a fairytale character in a heartbeat.

[DiscountPeople]

Let's assume you're right and Jesus is a "fairlytale".

You'd still take the damage Obama has caused to our nation, his poor leadership, and ego-centric policies over a philosophy of love that multiple billions have tried to emulate over 2000 years (and don't think Jesus preached about performing crusades, that's ridiculous)?

Don't you think Christ has a greater potential for good than 4-8 years of one president?

[byteresistor]

"Don't you think Christ has a greater potential for good than 4-8 years of one president?"

Even Hitler was a better person than Jesus? And why in the hell would I say something like that? Because Hitler unlike Jesus was a real person and not fiction. Mickey Mouse is also an a hole.

[Interactivesystems]

ask any professional historian, its very likely jesus existed, (except.. he was just a charismatic person with a death wish, not "the son of god", immaculate conception etc.) why we need to deny jesus existed to validate atheism is beyond me. If you have a reasonable argument or link against his existence please share.

[graphicism]

You're confused. Belief cannot produce a historical fact, atheism is based on fact.

[kamlem]

The argument is the complete lack of evidence.

Please show me a document referring to Jesus written during his "lifetime". (Hint: Stuff written decades after his "death" don't count... ).

[SoldierGryphon]

There are inumerable historical ancient figures that are accepted scholarly as having existed despite the fact that their earliest manuscripts are dated hundreds or thousands of years from when they were originally written (Plato, Aristotle, Tactius, etc.). The earliest NT manuscripts date to only decades after, which is great evidence, imo. You can believe what you want of course, but just pointing out that barely any conservative or liberal scholars think Jesus didn't exist.

[chaossource]

@SoldierGryphon

The reality of a persons existence is not as important as that which they are often credited with saying. Plato wrote and signed his own documents, he also wrote about Socrates as a personal friend. We are not sure today if Socrates actually existed, but that does not change how important the Socratic method is in education.

The Christian religion relies upon the actual existence of Jesus, a claim which cannot be verified. The fact is, we have nothing about Jesus in his life

[SoldierGryphon]

Using this logic an inumerable amount of historical figures cannot be verified; that said, again, there are very few actual scholars who don't believe Jesus existed. I makes me wonder why you even doubt his existance in the first place. What is there to doubt? Here you have supposed witnesses willingly accepting martyrdom for somebody who they made up? That doesn't seem logical, neither does the mountain of manuscript evidence and extrabiblical sources. Skeptics don't have an argument here.

[idea1013]

I'm confused as to how the 1st and 2nd parts of your post are supposed to work together. I have yet to see writings about the majority of the life of Jesus, but even if he did exist as a man, that does not make him the son of g-d. Religiosity, which is what I think you're referring to in the 2nd half, has little to do w/ logic- it's emotion and faith-based. cont.

[SoldierGryphon]

You have yet to see writings about his life? He has four biographies, but if you want to count Matthew, Mark, and Luke as coming from the same (the Q hypothesis), there are 2, including John. So what kind of writings are you looking for. Most ancient historical figures don't even have that.

[idea1013]

I said the majority of his life, as in the time between birth and becoming a recognized prophet. The writings you refer to are contained in one holy text and, as far as I know, are not held up in any other secular texts from that era, though if you know of some I'd be happy to read them.

[SoldierGryphon]

@idea1013

That is irrelevant. Just because the source is biased, doesn't mean what they say is incorrect, these were direct witnesses to his life; besides, the New Testament has been verified numerous times through archeology.

[idea1013]

I'm afraid you've made a huge leap in logic here, as there is no connection between possible existence of a person and willing martyrdom by the faithful. Faith, as you know, is belief without proof. Those who worship a particular g-d or prophet are not the ones who made him up; rather they are followers of a system made by others, then spread as gospel truth.

[SoldierGryphon]

Incorrect. Faith means to merely put your confidence into something, with or without proof; and yes there is a connection considering these diciples are the ones who, according to skeptics, made it up in the first place. Their willing martyrdom therefore is completely relevant.

[chaossource]

@SoldierGryphon

"an inumerable amount of historical figures cannot be verified"

Your right, they can't, but as I said, thats not whats important. Their ideas can be credited to the boogy man or Unknown for all it matters, that does not change the veracity of the ideas themselves.

"Here you have supposed witnesses willingly accepting martyrdom for somebody who they made up?"

There are also a number of martyrs who recently flew some planes into some buildings, does that mean Allah is true?

[SoldierGryphon]

@chaossource

The difference is that the diciples were claiming to have actually seen Christ resurrected. They themselves were the source of the Christian cult, therefore they would have known wether or not it was all a lie; so again, their martyrdom is completely relevant. A martyr today is not an actual witness and follows a faith by choice.

[chaossource]

@SG

No, the difference is we can confirm the existence and motives of those hijackers. We cannot confirm that the Bible is anything more than a storybook. The stories of the new testament were written 30 years after Christs claimed life and death, the records themselves would not even stand up in court as they are hearsay not autobiographies, and it is the only source of the claimed events.

[SoldierGryphon]

@chaossource

It's not hearsay since the diciples are direct witnesses and experienced the events themselves. Hearsay means "information gathered by one person from another" This is not a court. It is you believing witnesses of his ressurection; which btw, according to both Acts and 1 Corinthians, was in the hundreds.

[chaossource]

@SG

Where can you demonstrate authorship of the Bible? The Bible itself does not even contain signatures of its authors and it is simply assumed that each of the Apostles wrote their own books, yet nothing can be confirmed.

Be this a court or not, if the Bible can't stand up to court inquiry, I'm not inclined to believe its true much less accurate. Which by the way, the various apostles give conflicting reports as to who and how many witnessed the claimed resurrection, if indeed anyone did.

[SoldierGryphon]

@chaossource

My friend, you don't have much of an argument. Neither conservative or liberal scholars agree with you. All epistles(except Hebrews) DID declare authorship at the beginning. There is no reason to doubt the authorship of anything unless you have a reason, and "you can't prove they did" is no reason. That's like saying, there is no proof Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence despite the historical references he did, just like the Bible had with the Church Fathers.

[chaossource]

@SG

You are not my friend, don't presume.

As I've said to you before, with most ideas it doesn't matter who came up with the idea, the idea itself is valid regardless. In the case of the Bible however, you are claiming that it is true and accurate. In that case, Authorship becomes far more important, specifically because unlike the D o I the events so claimed have no reference outside the Bible, authorship cannot be confirmed, and it makes some pretty wild claims concerning the Dead rising.

[SoldierGryphon]

(cont.)

This is not a court. This is wether you feel personally inclined to believe their testimony. Very few courts would consider the possibility of a ressurected man, even if the witnesses were willing to die for their testimony

btw, spare me the contradictions argument. I've dealt with a hundred skeptics like you who all think pointing out supposed inconsistencies will help. In all my years, i've run into very few that can't be explained by simply taking it into context.

[chaossource]

"This is not a court."

As I've already said, if the Bible cannot stand up to court inquiry, I'm not inclined to believe it.

"Very few courts would consider the possibility of a ressurected man"

Wrong, there is many a record of people clinically dead who recovered and woke at a later date. Its not common, but its not beyond court recognition given the proper evidence.

"spare me the contradictions argument"

If you are going to claim the Bible is absolute, then it cannot have a single error.

[SoldierGryphon]

@choassource

Well, your not making any argument anymore (other than assuring me I'm wrong) so I'm going to assume our conversation is over.

btw, If you believe that the gospels were written 20-30 years after Christ then you also admit the prophecies in them (the fall of Jerusalem) are correct. This has forced liberal scholars to date it after 70a.d. and before 100a.d., so 40-70 years would be more accurate if you want to be liberal. Just a heads up.

You don't want to be my friend? :(

[chaossource]

@SG

I never had an argument to present, I was responding to something you said. Particularly I was responding to your assertion that dated material to even 30 years after Jesus's resurrection was good evidence. Its not, the whole thing could still be made up. The NT makes for some great stories, and even contains some wisdom, but to hold it as true and accurate when it is not verified is folly. Christianity relies upon it as truth and asserts as much pridefully ignoring the facts.

[chaossource]

@SG

"mountain of manuscript evidence and extrabiblical sources."

What mountain of manuscript evidence? And what extrabiblical sources? If they were not wrote during Christs time, they don't count as evidence.

You say in reply to someone else that the Bible provides four biographies for Christs life. Well I guess the Harry Potter novels are proof that Harry Potter actually exists. Good to know, a little magic would make the world very interesting.

[MatchCard]

How can I prove a non-existing being nonexistent?

[Wolvenfire86]

You just blew my mind dude.

[megagrey]

There was a typo in that comment. You used the word 'Obama' in place of 'Bush'.

And would a fairytale figure that inspired madness such as the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazi Holocaust have greater potential for good than an actual person? Do I honestly need to answer that?

[wtfoof]

Damage? What Damage? Or are you blaming Obama for Bush's Fuck ups?

[DiscountPeople]

@wtfoof

Have you ever stopped and considered that maybe Obama and Bush were bad presidents?

I know, radical thinking right?

[wtfoof]

Well, we know Bush was bad. We know the things he did such as massive deregulation of wall Street U S air pollution standards, torture, illegal wire tapping, starting a war for oil, tax break for the rich and no breaks for the middle class, letting big corporations out source jobs to China, letting Osama Bin Laden get away, removal of Habeas Corpus, want more?

What has Obama done that has been so terribly wrong?

[Badwolf182]

the anti-christ is here ......

[MatchCard]

Obama beats an imaginary person...

[ImAllFact]

Jesus was real, but he wasnt a messiah or divine being in any way.

[Tressco]

JESUS chased the money changers out of the temple!

Only time he got furious!

Eh? O'Bummer...?

Do at least the water to wine trick, c'mon...!

[mortensjoegren]

Which danish newspaper?

[mattatack9969]

Haha, it's funny because Jesus is dead.

[greenmagoos]

Are there a lot of masonic lodges in Denmark?

Snakeskin Obama is greater than Jesus?

Oh dearie me. Does anybody know the notes for the omen tune?

[Nicx950]

HAHA JESUS IS CLEARLY SO AWESOME BECAUSE HE CLEANSED PEOPLE FROM DEMONS!

Please, get over yourself you republican scum. You're just a conspiracy nut-job + religious gun-loving redneck with a college degree in BS.

I really hope you're just a troll. Either that or you need your head examined / decapitated.

[greenmagoos]

Oh oh oh the unfunny funky gibbon

Thats what you are.

[greenmagoos]

/watch?v=pXq8rELhUkw

[greenmagoos]

All guns should banged off the heads of the numbskull monkeys that want to fire them.

I do not stay in the us of a so I wouldn't be voting for idolatorous bomb droppong wandering gypo jerusalem temple bulding pagan stone dabbleling masons wether they were democrats or republicans.

[AspiringPotato]

Well, Obama definitely wins in such categories as existing, being elected, and not establishing a 2000 year legacy of shit.

[goldragon988]

Well, I dunno... The Obama Deception does make a couple of solid claims. I withhold my judgement of Obama until a time comes when he really fucks up.

[planewaves]

Ah, that is really what you are hoping for...just that Obama fucks up!! The fact is people like you hate Obama for what he is and NOt what he is not!!

[GENITALWART5]

the host of that show is a giant douche

[7thDayAtheist]

seriously...he is like an adult Ferris Bueller who wasn't as funny or as popular when he was a kid.

[wavymavy]

Giant Douche: That seems to be the criteria for employment with Faux News.

[dalejr88]

luzs

[slLLyhumans]

obama is awesome

[joob44]

irony twice

[CartervonRiedel]

there is one thing that's similar between Obama and Jesus - people believe in them -

and they're both fake.

[peepnklown]

What is next?

Obama is going to be greater than Zeus?

[TheJoshJman]

haha...wow, thats...funny...

[xxxFaustusxxx]

Faux News: Fair and balanced.

[aweiss]

jesus fuking sucks and so will Obama if he does not spread the Enlightenment to iran

[hopokuk]

i don't remember any miracles by a man called jesus, just i know of a fairytale book that makes those claims.

[anglicantian]

Exactly. I was grinning when our issue of Politiken landed on the morning table... man, everyones better than the imaginary man who supposedly walked on water, fed a few people around him and healed a few people he happened to run into.

[PhillipThunderGrunge]

Obama has done nothing...

and a "prophet" that never existed...

hmmmm..i guess something is better than nothing...in this case

[Quionic7]

Meh, I still prefer Joss Whedon to Obama and jesus

[christinepeace]

Joss rocks!!!!!!

Cheers Christine

[mentalholocaust]

Oh man, I can only hear the christians yelling out "Obama the anti-christ" even louder now.

[nestorrfortuna]

fuck i am better messiah than jesus.

i, for one, existed.

[askbuk]

@nestorrfortuna You do know that it has been proven that Jesus actually existed. Wether he was the son of god im not so sure about. But he did indeed exist.

[jegharhund]

Obama is really popular here in Denmark, mostly because his human politics are more like ours. Secondly, the newspaiper called politiken is a very good newspaiper. I believe its the most respected. :)

[OfficialDarkKnight]

@jegharhund

What are human politics? Apparently, you Danish haven't any notion of what the Obama administration has actually accomplished...nothing. He has enacted a series of policies that benefit the wealthy and left the rest of us to weather the economy -that he fails to do anything substantive about- and the wars -that he has escalated.

Jesus was a mythological figure, but Obama's accomplishments are no less mythological than any deity.

[TheElMoIsEviL]

Did you say benefiting the left? Did you actually say that Obama has enacted politics which benefit the left?

Like the Auto Bailout was directed at the left? Oh yeah those leftist CEOs of wealthy right-wing Corporate Automakers. How the Bank Bailout he supported helped those leftist Corporate Right-wing Bankers. Hmmm... and the health care bill? The one that isn't a single payer and doesn't have a Public Option... that benefited the left?

Are you ignorant or willfully ignorant?

[OfficialDarkKnight]

Allow me to help you with your reading comprehension, friend.

"and left the rest of us to weather the economy..."

Had their been a period following the word "left" I would have meant what you think I did.

I'm a socialist and am rather familiar to all the questions on political-economy you mention. During the 2008 election, I campaigned with Nader -who is, at best, a moderate social democrat, but the best man on the ticket. Believe me, I know who/what Obama represents.

[TheElMoIsEviL]

There's a reason they also call it the anti-war left.

Leftists are predominantly Libertarian Socialist and Liberal Democrat. Authoritarian Left (Stalinism and Soviet Communism) is not at all existent in the USA (or any other western nation). Obama is a neoliberal (center-right) while most republicans are far right. There is no "socialism" or leftism in Obama's policies. He still believes in trickle down economics (contrary to his rhetoric).

[B4TT3RY]

Anybody notice the ironic symbology in Fox News putting the 2010 on a BLUE hat? During the new year's broadcast, they had a red hat in the upper corner that was later removed, but it didn't say anything. However, the blue hat is labeled 2010. Hmm

[juliewashere88]

Real people usually are better than fictional ones.

[JordanKimball]

Thats not true. Batman is sweeter, John Conner, Jay and Silent Bob. the list goes on and on. lol

[juliewashere88]

I said usually.

[lanceawatt]

There is only one way this can be rightfully Judged. Obama and Jesus are to have a mud wrestling brawl in leopard print thongs. Halleluljia.

[atomicnumber86]

Yeah, quotemining for the win..I will continue the following sentence. Obama is clearly bigger than Jesus, if we keep it in the realm of the absurd christmas games. A more meaningful position would be to be sustain that he with triumphs of the national policies, already has secured himself a place in the historybooks, and will most likely continue to grow bigger and bigger in the next years.

So there you have it. Fox News quotemines. Fucking bastards.

[DragonmasterA1ex]

What did you think? Obama wins by default. Its like saying Hitler is better than Jesus. If you only have one real person, the real person wins.

[quisqueyatv]

it seems like Scandinavian media is trying to exaggerated so it sounds like its a satire. Obama is a clown, he is is another liar.

[Trunksoul]

Very subtle fear mongering. For those who think Obama is worshiped by the Left, this will be a case of confirmation bias. For those who think Obama is the anti-christ, this will feed their paranoid fantasies.

Classic example of a story selected specifically to push an agenda.

[Aaberg123]

Stupid of the newspaper? Nah, just telling it like it is.

Some people claimed mockingly that Obama was the "messiah", but he surpassed him in every way... particularly with regard to actually existing.

[NegativeNick]

you can still be great without existing

[sprebel925]

I'm not the biggest Obama fan, but the books written about him didn't lead to xenophobia and genocide like the bible did...

[bayfax7]

everyone is greater than jesus!

[glennd7962]

That's so great, illbetibake. You bet your ass they'd say nothing that could possibly offend muslims, you know why? 'Cuz their scared of them like little girls.

[Aaberg123]

Scared like all the American newspapers and TV stations who didn't dare reprint or show the cartoons of Muhammed? At least the Norwegian papers had some ball and printed them in solidarity. The US papers? Too scared to offend someone's sensibilities.

[illbetilbake]

That's true though. Americans were real cowards with regard to those cartoons. However, as far as Norway is concerned, I doubt our newspapers will ever again dare to do anything like that. The muslims are pushing for blasphemy laws and threatening with riots. It doesn't help that Arbeiderpartiet which is in power desperately needs the muslim vote. Fucking cowards and hypocrites...

[tkdliron]

haha i am from denmark

[KelliSings]

haha, i love yu denmark

[illbetilbake]

Yes, but I dare the Danish paper say Obama is greater than Mohammed.

[pete975]

Why wouldn't they, they could do a cartoon about it.

Of all the dumb things to criticize the Danish press for, not offending Muslims is not one of them.

[illbetilbake]

Are you kidding? They are scared shitless.

[Aaberg123]

Why would they? Seeing how the Danish National Church is Christian, it would just be stupid to use Muhammed as the butt of the joke. Obama has been jokingly called "the messiah", so using any other religious character as reference would be plain stupid.

I know that's not your point, but you're argument is completely irrelevant in this context.

[illbetilbake]

Well I am tired of the fact that we are soo keen to criticise Christians (with good reason), yet we are scared to death to say anything about muslims. Imagine being intimidated by some illiterate morons straight from some desert shithole who should be kissing your feet for grant ing them asylum.

[Zoaguyver]

(can't believe i'm saying this)

Don't generalise Muslims.... I put up alot of anti-islm videos but even i have to say that its just wrong to generalise over a religion.

[illbetilbake]

I am talking about the various muslim councils and the professional groups of muslim apologists who take upon themselves to speak in the name of all muslims; who keep turning up on tv and repeating lies about islam being a 'religion of peace' while systematically undermining the secular society. These people have an agenda and they must be opposed.

[lanceawatt]

High five man well put!

[Aaberg123]

All detrimental, damaging ideas should be combated with vigour.

As the saying goes: "Blasphemy is a victimless crime".

[illbetilbake]

Absolutely. Cheers mate!

[cm1155]

so true

[nekedemus]

And it continues.

The idea was naturally that the comparison between Jesus and Obama which is something that the critics developed themselves would be comical, blasphemous, or both.

[Saukko31]

Lets see, newspaper from a country with an relatively large percentage of non-believers calls Obama greater than Jesus, are the right-wing fundies calling to bomb or invade Denmark yet?

[djtarique]

Jesus never existed. All Religion is Mans away of understanding his surroundings. Which means religion is outdated...

[up2trix]

lol at the distain and manner in which the host read the story

[Aaberg123]

I like Politiken. Read it almost daily, though I seem to have missed this article.

[jesokingcryst]

How many wars did Jesus conduct before the died?

Than again, Jesus didn't have an army.

[Shmuklidooha]

"The pope? How many divisions does he have?"

[Sarge084]

How many wars have been fought in Jesus name, how many have died in his name, how many more will die for the exaltation of his name.

[jesokingcryst]

I was thinking of historical Jesus, not biblical Jesus.

[netsoj]

@jesokingcryst

Doesn't matter both don't exist

[Sarge084]

Hysterical Jesus, which one was he? Actually Jesus was a very popular name around that time, it was the equivalent of John today, it might account for the inconsistencies in the bibble, they were probably all writing about a different Jesus.

[thenjr99]

John is, was and will likely be the most popular name around the world. I doubt Jesus was the second most popular name at the time.

[Sarge084]

Aah, the font of all knowledge!! Do tell where you picked that gem of information from.

Whatever the outcome of popular names, the fact is that Jesus, if he existed, was no more divine than any other voice of any god at that time, and there were as many evangelists in Judea as there are in the US now, it's just that they didn't take credit cards back then.

[thenjr99]

You clearly missed my point.

[Sarge084]

You had a point!!!!!!!!!!!

[DooMDrat]

I delight at the thought of fundies foaming at the mouth as they hear this stuff.

[EuthanizeReligion]

The piss on the toilet seat in a gas station is greater than Jesus for the fact that the piss on the toilet seat in the gas station actually exists.

[blackwolf1272]

Jesus: bones, maybe a few dried up remains of skin and meat at an unknown location

Obama: alive, 1.87 m tall, speaks and is visible

So yeah, by all rational standards Obama is greater. But since when do cultists care about rationality.

[Apsu88]

Cultists...

You mean people still capable of supporting Bush Lite?

[blackwolf1272]

...or maybe the people who call others cultists are the cultists... maybe I am... what to do? ;)

[Apsu88]

Nope.

[bodeezy]

Jebus probably never even existed.

[southparkgtaca]

Well something that exists is better than something that isn't...

[Shmuklidooha]

Well, unless it's fundamentalism.