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  • Matthew 12

    25 Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.

    29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

    30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

  • citizens of the UK are losing their freedoms one by one...

  • Just goes to show that religion is a toxic virus that poisons everything. This is England and are government has let us down by appeasing Islam, a fascist ideology in all but name. I despise all religions, Islam is the most dangerous one at present.

  • all religions are crazy.... destructive in so many ways

  • Muslims have the government, police and courts on their side...they are terrified of offending them

  • Liberals and Muslim fascists hate free speech.

  • bullshit

  • Cenral to Chrisianity is Love - it took centuries for that message to lead to our humane civilization.

    Central to Islam is Power - the more Islam asserts itself, the less humane a society becomes.

    Now that, despite all efforts to silence debate, Islam is becoming know for what it actually represents, it is grotesque to still allow it equal status with decent humane value systems.

  • If Islam is so perfect, then it can take criticism and questions about it's teachings and how it is practiced, without killing anyone who disagree with it.

  • This is the proof that the Govt., police & courts are scum.

  • Most muslims I know, (except for the somalians) prefer moderate western law, they are not fans of sharia law at all. They generally leave that part of the religion out of their lives, they still don't drink alcohol or eat pork, but they don't believe in the eye for an eye literal mentality, their women wear what they want, and we all get on fine.  That is the example that should be set for other Muslims in the West, that there is a reason the rest of the world moved beyond the Inquisition.

  • @JAKEWORLEY You are totally wrong. The Muslims you imagine you 'know' are merely deceiving you with the practice of taqiyya, as they are instructed in their mosques. Your Muslim 'friends' deem you to be less than human, as per Koranic teachings. Sorry, but what I am telling you is the truth. What you believe is merely a comforting illusion. Take your pick, though.

  • izlam fears criticism, because it has so much to hide,

    - muhammad, the guy who made up izlam, - was a child-rapist and a mass-murderer, he raped slaves, captives whose fathers he had slaughtered in front of them, He was also a thief, & a liar, an adulterer & a necrophilliac,

    - look it up....it's all true.... !!

    How muzlims can look upon this pig as a good example is beyond reason.

    it's easy to see why they commit so many crimes, when you read the koran,

    - which reads like ' Mein Kempf '

  • @allahuackhhptuuu Not really, mein kempf is less cruel...

  • When did Britain become Saudi Arabia?

  • If the Muslims didn't want criticism, they didn't have to come to the West, did they! When in Rome, do as the Romans, so the saying goes, but they do not assimilate and when you point out the anger in the religion, they get mad. When do they do anything else?

  • This is why people hate Islam more than Christianity....

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  • After centuries of burning books and burning people, it's nice to see the Christians supporting free speech.

    Better late than never guys!

    Now, Muslims, it's your turn...

  • now we can not call peadohile a peadophile , lol

  • Wow, people criticize Christianity everyday, but there are no laws against that, nobody's getting charged with a hate-crime!! Ok, even as a born-again Christian, I am not saying the UK or any government should pass such a law for Christians, but this just shows that the UK, a supposedly govt has favored one religion above all others, that is Islam. If that is your choice Britain, that is the religion that will dominate your future, I hope you are ready to accept that and the consequences.

  • @Drooblemeister

    There is a law for that; it's illegally ignored. Ironic...

  • Nothing should be above criticism, especially religion. And that is all religions.

  • @krustofskie i agree and i am a former atheist christian muslims are crazy though.

  • I cant believe this is happening in the UK supposedly a bastion of freedom & democracy. Islam is not a religion but a political ideology and to criticized it is not a crime. Shame on England.

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  • It is as they they are ashanmed or afraid to speak up against false religions and silly humanists and atheists. Remember every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess tht Jesus Christ is Lord. Fear not . Satan is defeated. He is trying to destroy this beautiful country because he knows jhis days are numbered. Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth!!!

  • The worst of persecution against christians in islamic countries never gets reported in teh media as it is all controlled by the state. UK christians need to rise up .

  • When will britain wake up? The laws that were passed to protect against extremist muslims are being used to persecute christians.If they want haiah law then they should go live in teh middle east. They come to the UK and expect religious freedom but do not allow the same to christians in their own countries.

  • Muslims stand in speakers corner in Green Park and spew hate for non christians openly and no one , noe even the police standing there does anything about it because they are afraid of muslims....seems like they are afraid of getting bombed or beaut up. Ben and sharon won the case but it was almost a phyrric victory as they were almost bankrupt in the end and they got no compensation .The Law is an ASS in this case.

  • I blame the humanist , the atheist and the biased media .They are propagating hate for true christians in the uk but they fear muslims.They think they can bully christians and get away with it because they know that christians are peacefull.

  • The left is commmitting a mass genocide against blacks in the USA called abortion, thanks to athiests.

  • WOW!!! I can't believe they were prosecuted for a hate crime because of words! If this had happened in the US there would have been protests and maybe even riots if they were convicted. When the group formerly known as 'Islam4UK' was protesting about how the UK should become a Muslim state, couldn't they have been arrested for the same thing? I'm sure they offended plenty of people.

  • Freedom to pretend myths to be facts > Freedom of speech

  • Religious freedom is Not under threat....pushing it down other peoples throats is....believe what you believe but you DO NOT have the right to enforce your religious view on those who do not agree...THAT is what the charge is about!!

  • freedom of speech you say? my comments dont even get posted.hmmm wonder why? afraid of people knowing the truth?

  • How many times do I have to tell you that I am not interested in the Talmud. Go and read about Jew for Jesus and stop wasting my time. Jesus is the Messiah and is sitting at the right hand of God. Where is Mohammed? Rotting in his tomb in Saudi Arabia.

  • Will you stop quoting Talmud at me? It isn't the Word of God merely rabbinical opinion. I don't even bother to read what you quote.

  • Many Jews have accepted Jesus as Messiah. As far back in the 70s, Jews for Jesus was founded. There are many Messianic Jews now in Israel. Ashkenazi has nothing to do with the Nazis. Please utilise the net to educate yourself. God doesn't mind if you stand on your head to pray. You should pray in your own words, not repeating formulaic words like a parrot.

  • European Jews have the same DNA as Meghrabi and Sephardi Jews. The fact that they speak Yiddsih proves that they had a long sojourn in Germany. Also Sephardi Jews went north into France and Germany. I do not know of any Rabbi who boasts of killing Jesus. You should check Jews for Jesus and Hebrew Christians.

  • I have read these postings before. Save your fingers.

  • I am not interested in what other people say about Jesus. I am responsible only for myself.

  • Not child abuse which is a betrayal of trust but not teaching the rightly divided Word of God. I feel sorry for Roman Catholics who have been let down by their priests. I am not a Catholic by the way so stop writing "who tell you".

  • Are you sure? Have you actually read the Talmud ? Or simply believing what anti-Semitic sites say? Do you really expect people to believe someone waffling in his bedroom?

  • People all over the world, wake up !

    There is NO GOD or ALLAH or whatever !!! Start thinking for yourself and don't believe the clergy- or imamshit. There was never evidence of the existence of a higher power....

  • God misled evil people.

  • The net is a great souce of lies too and suits loonies with conspiracy theories in their noggins as they can contact other loonies. I did ring the chief Rabbi's office in Dublin and stop sending me video about so called Yemini Jews explaining how Allah is in the Tanach.

  • The Koran says that Allah will lead astray whoever he wants as he needs souls in hell. Such a nice deity, more like a devil spirit.

  • All you do is quote the Bible and throw out verses (usually out of context) like missiles. Even the Devil knows the Bible better than you do. I will never bow down to a meteorite in Mecca. I will never dress up like a ghoul. I will never go without liquid and then eat like a pig all night for a month.

  • Well there are a lot of religious people who are not born again and yet they are resonsible to lead others. But they are not born again.

  • How many times do I have to get it into your head that Jesus never would have called God Allah.....NEVER NEVER.

  • No Jew used the Arabic word Allah. Again I have to tell you I rang the office of the Chief Rabbi of Ireland and his secretary said the word Allah was NEVER USED. Jehovah Eloi and Yaweh were used.

  • It just happens that the Arabic word is used. The name of the Arabic moon-god was Hubel.

  • Rubbish. You don't know Hebrew. Son is Son not slave. You want to be a slave of your moon-god recreated as Mohammed's alter ego.

  • As a Muslim you don't even know if Allah will send you to hell. Apparently he leads peopl astray to fill hell. Some deity!

  • You mean I am not a sexual prevert?

  • I am 53 years old. I was brought up a Catholic and became a born-again Christian when I was 17.

  • It doesn't matter what the Koran says, Jesus is the Son of God.

  • Not if you really had a personal relationship with Jesus as born-again Christians have.

  • Oh so you want quotes do you? Don't you know the Devil knows how to quote the Bible to suit his own purposes?

  • Show me where I have contradicted the Bible? You are just pi**sed off that I have shown your knowledge of the Bible is just culled from anti-Christian sites. I have done Biblical research on and off for 36 years.

  • We do not circumcise in Ireland.

  • Mulsims imitate the prophets? As far as I know none ot the Jewish prophets ever plotted mass murder.

  • Jesus was both 100% divine and 100% human. He will return again and then the whole world will see Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

  • Jesus was obedient yet he existed previously with the Father.

  • Only Jesus  referred to God as father.

  • Jesus was the first to call God father.

  • You are not the true followers of Jesus. You do not believe the Gospels. You call him Messiah in the Koran yet you do not believe that. You even add insult to injury to accuse God of fooling people by putting Jesus image on another person on a cross.

  • Because it only means the god, and Jesus called God Abba which means Daddy.

  • Well so what? I don't drink but Jesus drank wine and his first public miracles turned water into wine.

  • I can assure you God doesn't give a hoot what position you take as long as you chat to him in your own words not vain repititious words.

  • We have showers and baths now. Mothers tell their sons to pull back the foreskin which is a protection and makes sex more pleasurable for the man. Protection from cervical cancer and chlamydia..........I wouldn't bet on it.

  • Yes many Christians fast and that is going without food for a days , not going without food and as soon as the sun sets diving into food and stuffing themselves silly!

  • All Allah means is "the god". God was never called Allah in the Bible. By the way even the names of the daughters of Allah are named in the Koran.

  • So what does greetings have to do with anything?

  • Stop believing in the so called revelations of a probable epileptic. Look at the moral behaviour of a womanising, child marrying, daughter-in-law marrying land pirate!

  • Mohammed mixted up Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron with Mary the mother of Jesus. There was 1400 years between them. Mohammed or Uthman wrote that the Trinity was the God, Mary and Jesus which was a belief of the Ebionites, a heretical sect which Khadja's cousin was one of them.

  • It isn't. It is a fashion statement in the Middle East.

  • No I cannot reproduce Mary as she was.

  • LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL­. don't you even know that the paintings and statues of Mary are in CATHOLIC and ORTHODOX churches only? Do you think they are the actual proof of what women in 1st century AD Galilee were wearing? Please think before you write rubbish again.

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  • It is a cultural thing. Nowadays it is no longer a shame to have a shaved head. Look at Sinéad O' Connor and Jade Goody who was dying of cancer. She didn't wear a wig on her wedding day. Anyway Paul was talking about a particular fellowship where women were interrupting claiming to have a word of prophecy.

  • The Bible only speaks about wearing a head covering during prayer. That's why in some churches women wear hats.

    Nevertheless you focus on sth of minor importance. You'll have to admit muhammadan islam has no answer to the problem of sin. I wonder if you know at all what sin actually is.

    You use the muhammadan tactic of evading the question.

  • Yet, you focus on the outside, the veil. Muhammadan islam has no answer to the problem of sin.

  • @ThePeaceMissile, I have an upload of a muSSlim woman covered from head to toe stealing in a shop. That is not very modest, is it? It is commendable to wear decetn clothing. However, it does not make a person less of a sinner.

  • Being covered form head to toe is no guarantee for piety. You may be covered and still be a thief or someone with unclean thoughts, or full of hate, etc.

  • There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

  • Atheism isn't a religion, it's an absence of religion.

  • Fucking P C shit. This Islamist bullshit must stop. My god . This my religion is better than yours is so stupid. Assholes....

  • Hard to choose a side here. They both crazy. But fuck this is Europe so fuck the muslims!

    almost forgot: religion = peace

    pfffff

  • muslims worsship butts

  • Basically, no god of any religion existsand those who defend him or believe in him/them are fucking delusional dangers to society. end of. Cheerio

  • religious liberty is an oxymoron?

  • Christian is the number one reasons why everyone thinks American´s are dumb & shit.

    Same goes for muslim's in muslim-country's

  • Your prowess with writing in the English language is why everyone thinks you are "dumb & shit." Just sayin.

  • I could write Dutch, but then u american;s wouldn't been able to read it.

  • Bummer. Would it be more coherent that way then?

  • As finishing touch, god created the Dutch.

    Lijkt erop dat ons kikkerlandje het gezond verstand der mensheid weer moet vertegenwoordigen ;)

    Groeten uit Rotterdam

  • I suggest you take action against your elected officials make them scared of you again

  • Seeing as you really wish to demonstrate that you don't know the difference between atheism and agnosticism, what do you want?

    A medal? A pat on the back?

    There you go:

    * pat on the back *

    Happy now? Sure hope so.

  • Jesus is the only and exclusive way to Heaven. Those who repent of their sins and accept Him as their personal Saviour will go to Heaven - those who don't face eternity in Hell.

  • So much love, it warms my heart.

  • Fucking muslims for all i care we kill them all where they stand

  • Idiots, the lot of them. Christians, Muslims, Pink-unicornians, Pastafari`s, Harry Potterians.

    Read a book, for Darwins-sake.

  • You make yourself look as ignorant and stupid as you think the rest of them are.

  • Least we don't believe in fucking fairys mate.

  • I don't believe anybody believes in fairies, to be honest.

  • +3 besides my comment says otherwise buddy. But please, enlighten me. Ignorant and stupid you say? And why is that?

    If I see two people discussing wether leprecons wear green hats or blue hats: I think I have the right to, objectivly, call those people idiots. Especially if they are willing to take their green vs blue hat-cause to the point that they need a judge to step in. Am I still ignorant and stupid or do I need an even longer comment to discribe the absurdity of these theocratic nutjobs.

  • What does it say? It says a lot of atheists read your comment and agreed with you, congratulations. Don't strain yourself patting your own back there, buddy!

  • Still no argument, which is argument enough if you ask me. Those people are all insane, and thats all there is to it. Ignore them, at best. And now, I would like to sign off by introducing retard-of-the-mont: Bob1231008, a few reactions above mine. Take it away Bob, you loonatic you!

  • To believe in God is not insane. People have been believing in gods of all sorts since humanity has existed, you can't tell me that in the last few hundred years when atheism started to become widespread that humanity just stopped being crazy.

  • "you can't tell me that in the last few hundred years when atheism started to become widespread that humanity just stopped being crazy." Yes. That is exactly what I am saying.

    But define 'crazy'. Is believing in Wodan crazy? Or believing in leprecons? Or fairy`s? Or flying spaghetti?

  • Flying spaghetti? How old are you? You're coming across as a complete amateur as an atheist. Go read some Dawkins and find a proper argument against religion, you'll get a lot further.

  • A proper argument? There is only one relevant argument: there is no reason whatsoever to assume the existance of any god, let alone the existance of any specific god. If you believe in any of them, you should believe in all of them. So tell me: is it reasonable to believe in the mentioned examples? Incluiding but not limited to our beloved flying spaghetti monster? A yes or no would do just fine.

  • I asked you to come up with a decent argument AGAINST the existence of any god.

    No, it would not be reasonable to believe in any deity you just came up with as an example for your point, because I can use rational reasoning to realize that you made it up on the spot.

    By the way, the best argument for the existence of a god of some sort - laws of conservation of mass and energy. Good luck explaining how things exist.

  • The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim. No proof, no god. The gods that have been made up so far ar all very obviously made up by man, that is a matter of rational thinking and explaining. Just as much as for leprecons or my flying spaghetti monster.

    And laws of physics have absolutely nothing to do with god. A claim that Newtons laws need a god as ruler or creator is just plain stupid. Then by defenition god/allah/leprecon needs a creator to. It`s not an answer to anything.

  • The burden of proof isn't on someone if they're not trying to prove anything to begin with. You're out to prove God doesn't exist, that means you need to do it. I didn't claim God existed in the first place, you're the one who alleged anyone who believes in a deity must be crazy. Proof is your responsibility, as you made the initial statement.

    And Newton's Law is not a physical entity, it does not need an origin. Do you even know what the laws of conservation of matter and energy are?

  • Tell me, what happens to a saudi,eygptian,moroccan etc etc woman that converts to christianity?

    A heated debate? I think not

    Yet this brand new muslim is upset that she had to pay this price for her conversion?

    Emmigrate to saudi lady,see how you like being treated like dirt for being white.

  • religion is soooo 1930!

    We have law, order and common sence now, religion gtfo!

  • Religion, it would make me laugh if it wasn't so stupid.

  • Let's all take our sexual advice from a 70 year old virgin! That's the best way to further the human race. What fools the catholics are. Way to breed yourselves into extinction! Life is always fair, when catholics die and find they have wasted their lives, thats fair. :-)

    KEEP CHILD MOLESTING CATHOLICS AWAY FROM CIVILIZED SOCIETY. Our children deserve to grow up in a world without the threat of being raped by a catholic. RESIST the catholic church who's only agenda is to abuse children!

  • There's not much chance of gaining justice under secular law - it is biased in favour of Islam! We let secularism take over from Christianity - so we shouldn't be surprised that Christianity gets a slap in the face from the so-called neutral ones! Secularism is a cover for the anti-Christ!

    Only a CATHOLIC STATE -foundational state of the West -will resist demographic decimation and Islamisation brought to you by secular anti-Christ! Prepare for the Catholic State -or prepare for your burka

  • Jesus Christ has returned. I AM.

  • I hope these Christian pigs rot in hell for this. You know, since the pansy British justice system won't let us behead them like we should.

  • im no christian ...but it does seem like islamic appeasement

  • why were this middle aged couple arrested for !!,yet radical muslims who threw eggs and were shouting abuse at baroness warsi in luton last week allowed to walk around preaching hate ...

  • As usual, the Christian Institute will only provide a few slivers of biased information to make their subject(s) look like persecuted freedom of speech crusaders. Not that I have any love lost for Islam, but if a couple whose business I took my custom to laughed at my head attire saying that it made me look like a terrorist, then asked if I was a murderer and told me I was living in bondage, I would not call that "entering into a debate".

  • Fucking christfags

  • A /b/tard taking the side of Muslims over Christians?

    Newfag.

  • idiot

  • Well you just sound like a genius, sir.

  • I'm an Atheist, I abhor all organised religion, this is a Christfag video, hence the targeted abuse.

  • Free speech, free to disagree? ok. christianity is a delusion, god is a delusion, and your "savior" jesus christ was a prick. I trust you wouldn't remove my right's to express such free speech as that, would you. I see most people in that video above me are old and past it, probably senile if they believe in a god, good, they will be dead soon, find out that their faith was a lie, that they have wasted their lives for nothing. Leave the country for people that don't believe in fairy storys.

  • I hope they go bankrupt. Maybe they would then realize that god doesn't love them, because he doesn't exist, and they were deluded fools for believing/promoting him in the first place. "PC madness?" No, just an end to century's of abuse by christians towards anyone that dares not agree with them. About time, Hopefully soon their influence can be done away with everywhere and the country will be rid of this disease, this Cancer on the UK that is christianity.

  • And you think Islam is so much better, don't you gary?

    Let's rid Britain of Christianity so we won't have their influence any more! Meanwhile, let's welcome Islam and make any criticism of it illegal, that way we can be living under Sharia Law in 20 years or so!

    Is that the kind of religious influence you'd like?

  • No I don't think Islam is "so much better". I think your both as stupid, violent and delusional as each other. Religion should be cast back to the dark ages where it's mantra and it's followers belong. Let us rid Britain of Christianity, while we are at it rid it of Muslims Jews and Hindus as well. I don't side with any of them, I side with reality. I want "sharia" law as much as I want christian extremists like this couple running the shop. Both deserve the boot. Christians turn this time.

  • "I think your both as stupid, violent and delusional as each other."

    > OK, how about a top-3 atrocities committed by Christians in the last 50 yrs?

    "Let us rid Britain of Christianity,"

    >Because.....?

  • Why limit it to the last 50 years. We could have so much fun listing the tens of thousands of people that have been brutally butchered to death by christians in the name of your god. Muslims are merely going through their christian inspired crusade period. We just have to be thankful that they are not as effective as mass murder and genocide as the christians were. Top 3 atrocities by christians in the past 50 years, invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and Oklahoma bombing. Pales in comparison to 9/11

  • No, I said Christian, not political.... and Oklahoma was the work of a single nutjob Timothy McVeigh who said science was his religion. And the Crusades??? You mean to tell me you need to go back 1000-ish yrs to get something even remotely connected to the bible on the radar?

  • lol, nope like I said, Iraq, plenty of times bush had gone on about his faith and talking with god telling him it was the right thing to do, starting his own little christian jihad. And anyway do you think that just because it happened a couple of hundred years ago it shouldn't be recognized. naturally in few hundred years no one will care about 9/11 either. Count yourself lucky the muslims cant murder as effectively as the christians murdered them and anyone else that disagreed.

  • Good point people always have to go back hundreds of years to dig up dirt.

    If we were to be so exact with everyone who was not christian, the list for this month alone would be too long to continue with.

    Its such intellectual dishonesty and is nothing but a hypocritical sham

  • LOL - you don't realise secularists/atheists are more likely to rid the world of themselves than they are to rid the world of Muslims or Christians even! Did you know the average birthrate for atheists was 0.8 children per woman!! No wonder the Gov likes Islamic immigration so much! Well children have to be found somewhere! And remember -if you can't populate your country - you can't keep it! Life is so fair sometimes!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE - atheists won't be around much longer!

  • Wow yeah now I want a catholic state it sounds so tolerant!

    At the rate catholics are raping and abusing children I doubt your lot will be around much longer either. Wonder how your invisible god will thank those who worship pedophiles. If you haven't noticed the world is grossly over populated, a problem that could be solved by stopping religious lunatics from breeding and passing their delusions along generations. All religions die. Catholics won't be around much longer.

  • Well its not going to be overpopulated in atheist countries for much longer - so their lands are going for a song as atheists go extinct! I'm sure we can find a way to commandeer it before Islam does!! After all you can't take it with you! And Catholic numbers are up in the UK actually! And true Catholics know about regenration! Also where did you get the idea that we are meant to stay on this planet forever! The atheist mindset is so limited!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE!!

  • Saying it won't make it happen dippy. Atheist mindset is so limited. Sorry I'll get back to you when I'm open minded enough to believe the earth was created in 7 days. Full lobotomy will be required to believe any of the nonsense you hold true.

    KEEP THE PEDOPHILE CATHOLICS AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN!

  • It's going to happen - when people realise the way the secular world is evaporating out of existence! Atheists just don't have what it takes to make it in the real world! No loss!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE - foundational state of the West - and resist your demographic decimation and Islamisation at the hands of incompetent secularists! Only the good survive you know!

  • Like I said, delusional. Atheists are the only ones who have what it takes to make it in the real world, because we are the only ones that LIVE in the real world. The only ones that don't believe in lies and fairy storys like well trained delusional retards as the catholics do. Brain dead dark age thinking won't survive in the real world. You can't stop science

    KEEP CHILD MOLESTING CATHOLICS AWAY FROM SOCIETY!

    Your catholic child molesting days are at an end. Only the rational will survive.

  • Atheists are on the way out - or as we say in impolite Catholic circles - doing a dodo! Only irrational daydreamers could believe that you can abort and contracept yourself to an everlasting atheist paradise! What fools atheists have been! Now they are caught in their own trap thanks to their daydream delusions! Life is so so fair sometimes!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE - foundational state of the West - and resist your demographic decimation and Islamisation by inept secular governance!

  • amaquala, I do believe in God but your message baffles me.

    Atheists have done you no wrong; they simply don't believe in any God.

    Why do people fail to understand that a secular government is the ONLY way to protect freedom of religion for ALL?

    What is so hard to understand about that?

  • There is no such thing as neutrality - Jesus Christ (God Himself) said so - there is only pro-Christ and anti-Christ forces! So secularism is an anti -Christ force therefore biased in favour of Islam! Secularism is just a wolf in sheeps clothing! They only pretend to be neutral! Their actions tell you they're not!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE - and resist demographic decimation and Islamisation - brought to you by inept secular governance! Only religious societies survive you know!

  • amaqula, sorry but I have to disagree.

    Fortunately, life isn't that black and white.

    True secularism does not favor islam above any religion or walk of life;

    only false secularism would.

    Something to think about:

    Didn't God gave us all free will so we can find Him by our own decree?

    If a state would have the signature of ANY religion, how would this have any value?

    Why should God care about people who PRETEND to believe in him only out of fear or because others dictate them to?

  • There's no such thing as true secularism - everyone is biased for or against Christ (God Himself) You may protest - but actions speak louder! And its not a matter of forcing people to believe in God or whatever - its a matter on what you base the moral laws of the land! Do you base them on majority decisions - or do you base them on the laws of God! I prefer the latter cos I've seen the former in action - and quite frankly they are evil eg abortion! uggh!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE

  • I believe I fail to bring my point across clearly.

    Hypothetical: how would you feel about an organisation keenly advocating the return of a protestant state?

    Would you feel this is fair?

    Would you submit to a protestant state?

    How about a muslim state? Or a buddhist state?

    Do you see? Our mind is free. No person has the right to impose his beliefs on anyone.

    By the way, whether our morals came from christianity is a completely different story, but on forehand I can tell you "no".

  • I have to submit to a secular state - cos I live in one - but I see where it is leading - to an Islamic state! Take a look at the birthrates! While secular governments are busy pushing abortion and contraception on their secularists - they employ fast mullltiplying Islamic immigraion to fill the population void! Nice -eh? I call that genocide - or ethnic cleansing - take your pick! And our morals do come from Christ (God Himself)!

    Bring back the CATHOLIC STATE -only the good survive!!

  • "No person has the right to impose his beliefs on anyone"

    then dont impose democracy to the middle east!

  • democracy is not a belief it is a political ideology, you twit!

  • religion is seen as an ideology as well ashole,

  • I said political ideology not just an ideology.

    And again, my statement was not that religion does not have an ideology, but that democracy IS NOT A BELIEF!

    Oh and its spelled Asshole or Arsehole, you utter dimwhit!

  • "then dont impose democracy to the middle east!"

    -

    Ofcourse, meddling with foreign affairs should also be held to the same standard.

    If it were up to me, I'd advocate getting rid of the oil addiction of the west and that it should have butted out there long ago.

    This way the 'eastern' and 'western' world may live together in respect and not destroy eachothers culture as is happening now, but enrich eachother as was normal practice long, long ago.

  • lol "Christian extremists?" Here you are, telling me that you want to "get rid" of all Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Hindus (talk about the Holocaust all over again, Hitler Jr.) and you're calling these people "extremists" for debating Islam? You cannot be serious. Your head is so far up your own ass that you're completely ignorant of your own blatant hypocrisy.

  • Yeah because christians are so tolerant, no comments have been made here that show they want to be the dominant religion of the world and take over. Maybe if religionist freaks removed their head from their own arses and realized they are NOT gods gift we would get on better. Until they can all behave like rational adults they should be abolished. These christians were not debating islam, try not to swallow your daily mail propaganda so readily like an obedient sponge, they abused her.

  • Really? So how were they abusing her?

    They abused her no more than you're "abusing" me right now. You're sitting here telling me how I believe in fairy tales and that my religion is an extremist death cult, and yet you think anything they said to this woman was over the line?

    But hey, at least Christians have nuts. I'm not going to go and call the police on you for hurting my poor feelings. That's what Muslims do. Just promise not to have me arrested for saying that in turn.

  • Have anything to say, Gary?

  • Millions and millions of people have been slaughtered in the cause of atheism. It started with the guillotine under Robespierre, then the Communists under Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and of course the nazis under Adolf Hitler. There are many militant atheists who want to ban relious belief by law. So much for atheist tolerance. Atheism is guilty of the same crimes it accuses religion of. BTW: where is the proof that this couple abused that Muslim?