In Switzerland they dont even sell all Season tires, because of safety and if you drive with summer tires in winter the insurance will not pay anything if you crash....
That winter tire took 21 ft 2 inches, imagine if a car was only 25 ft away when you were forced to stop. Only the winter tire could prevent you from rear ending it.
This morning it was snowing, I had summer only tires on my Subaru and I said ok why not lets try. Worst idea ever summer tires just flail helplessly in snow. So I put my warm gear on and fitted my stud less winter tire set. The stud less snow tires are phenomenal it grips just like normal tires do on a dirt road, very predictable traction and takes a bit of power to actually spin. You will have fun with it guaranteed.
Yep, winter tires can make a huge difference. Its really day and night. I would definitley make a investment in these. Also, abs and esc wont help too much in snowy conditions. Those electronics wont work witjout the right tires planted on em.
Certainly the video is somewhat boiled down to show a representation of the results in a quick and concise fashion. The actual testing took the better part of a day to complete. Like other product testing we do here at Tire Rack, we made a large quantity of runs on each tire and used standard test normalizing procedures to get valid and representative results.
Not documented in the video, we first pre-burnished the ice surface to stabilize the traction level and used a repeated control method to get the actual acceleration time and stopping distance numbers documented in the video. For the cornering demonstration we again pre-burnished the driving lane before filming the results.
Corner entry speed in each of the vehicles was held to within 100 rpm in the same gear, and every effort was made to use the same steering input to equalize the cornering effort asked of each tire.
We’ve done this sort of comparison with a variety of different tire makes and models over the years, and always end up with the same basic results and similar relative differences between the three product types.
And while this video is somewhat dramatic, we are not interested in publishing fiction. What we show is exactly what we got.
You neither upshift or downshift.. You have to press the clutch! - When you press it, there is no extra force (from engine) which forces the tyre to slip. Draw a graph, and all forces in it.. traction in one direction and all others in the opposite direction. Less forces in other direction means more traction! =)
@darios9797 You don't accelerate or brake. Best option is to set the car in neutral and let the tires naturally spin back into traction without forcing them to slip (acceleration or braking)
@Rfsancho You don't set the car into neutral. You could put it in a lower gear (or leave it as is) so the engine break will slowly but surely stop the car.
@cristicrs If you set the car in gear when sliding sideways or even diagonally, it won't help you at all. Regaining roll traction is priority in neutral, then feel free to gear it up all you want.
This is not a good video at all. If you are going to compare tires you need to use the same car, same driver that way there is no difference in the machine/driver and the tests are balanced.
@jkldeer I guarantee you my rear wheel drive vehicle with winter tires will out-handle your subaru with all seasons. You have to imagine this video with vehicles going 40mph in a curve on ice. My rwd will do a bit of back and forth shift but I'll make the turn. You'll be in the ditch after rolling the car...you may or may not be alive.
Snow socks. Low cost, High benefit alternative to winter tyres. Bought a set last year for my E46 3-series. Worked a treat. Bit of a pain to fit and remove but really effective over ice and snow.
@edshift Autosock is only intended for emergency use only. Snow tires, yes, they cost more than a pair of Autosocks, means all 4 corners gets the maximized traction for winter use, which means... you have more control steering, stopping, accelerating, just plain ole driving. even worse is if the e46 is RWD. Autosock on the rear wheels only compromises the job the front wheels do
@goshem i agree they should have used the same cars or atleast just switch tires between tests, each weigh less or more and each have different computers in them.
ok first off bmw cars dont like snow i have one and i just took it into the park that was lightly covered running some nice winter tires they dont stop they just keep going thats why i never drive the bimmer if its icy or snowing or if there is still snow left over
@whtstang99 o man dont get me wrong i love my bimmer great road car i can get up a steep hill in the snow from a stop on the hill i just cant stop LOL
I have a 330i and have a pair of high quality snow tires for the winter and nice summer tires for the warmer months, but my car with rwd and snow tires felt absolutely perfect on roads that were plowed but had a layer of packed snow and ice and worked fine in anything up to like 4 inches of unplowed snow
@5speed330i my tires work fine in the snow i can from a stop on a hill get traction and go right up that hill they grip really good i just cant stop i keep going lol
Dear Tire Rack, I am interested in purchasing Track and Competition DOT tires. I was wondering if I could get a review of some of the tires like the Pzero Corsa, the Hoosier A6, the BFGoodrich g-Force R1 and other tires! Thumbs up if you agree. Thanks!
People forget that your car has lower gears. Use them when going down an icy hill. Don't rely on your brakes to help you down the hill. Use your brakes and your vehicles lower gears to make it through tougher spots a little easier. Trust me, it works. I see people trying to make it down an icy hill in drive. Those people are morons. If you never driven on ice and snow. STAY HOME!!!! Thank you.
Snow chains, there cheaper and will have alot more effect on traction. combined with a cheap set of medium hard snow tires is all you need. not some soft compound snowtire that will loose tread in half a year of solid use.
Which brands were used? Several test in Europe have shown good AW tires performing very close to good wintertires. Mediocre or bad wintert. perform worse. SO it is important. Nokian developed a slushtest, which is not included here but is something common in several countries and states. The AW tire Vredestein Quatrac was better than any tire (including wintertire of renowned brands) out there. So "jack of all trades"? I'd say:"Good in anything, master in few" If you have a good AW tire.
@panadevulpe They do dude, unfortuately most of them attack us with ads BEFORE the video we want to watch, begins playing, so they shove the ads in our face, as most advertisers do anyways. :/
@alinus73 You are clueless. It makes a big difference. I saved for two years so I could buy my first set. Now I drive around stuck 4x4s in my stock 2wd van. Too many people think that just because they have all wheel drive they can go anywhere and do any thing in the snow and ice.
A while back two vehicles in front of me spun out with one being a 4x4. While they went into the guardrail I just went around them.
I use like 3 sets of tires, and 2 sets of chains, first time I had to drag someone out of the ditch using my 04 eclipse gs, hasn't been modded much but I had snow tires with tire chains and this truck slid off the road or minivan type of a truck but I had to work fairly hard to get that truck out of the ditch. (reason why) it was one of my friends girl that got stuck in a ditch.
I would have liked to know what the exact tires in these tests were in these tests. All Seasons, studless winter and Summer tires aren't created equal, that's for sure. But neither are different brand tires within those types. So what tires are these? The best of each type? The worst? A mix?
Winter tires are great for the snow and ice but it still won't replace poor driving habits and skills of many drivers. As a matter of fact people depend too much on winter tires, giving them a false sense of safety making them become more reckless and wild in winter driving conditions.
If you are looking for good studless wintertires, or friction tires, you need to get tires made for the scandinavian market, and the ones that normally get best marks are Nokian, Michelin and Continental. This year Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R are the two best tires available, where Nokian is a bit better on snow and ice, and Michelin does a little bit better on bare roads. Goodyear is represented by the Goodyear Ice Navi Zea, wich is considered to be a bit behind the leaders
I m sure should have some tyres are better in the winter time, these winter 'tires' are way too slow for me. is there any tyre came with a surface feels like a sandpaper?
Studded tyres are purely for racing... They do not perform good in every day use due to the fact that they get damaged on contact with tarmac! Even on ice they loose many studs therefore you would have to replace them every few days!
Are you speaking from experience? Right now my car has studded winter tyres. Sure the tarmac damages them, but I prefer to have that extra edge on wet ice slick.
What a coincidence he fully brakes the red car on the front wheels before going into the corner, and let's the others roll. So much for a reliable test
@bos78 I live in Alaska, certain parts of the road are seriously like this. you have to encounter ice road even if you are only going for a 1 mile drive to get groceries
@bos78 If everyone did that, the entire world would stop for 1/4 of the year. That's such a great idea. Let's all stay home without people at the power plant, 911 operator office, hospitals, grocery stores, gas stations. Hell, even the people working at police stations and fire stations should just STAY home because it's "like an ice rink outside." Great idea there buddy.
@bos78 Try doing that when you wake up and need to show up for school and will be to late if you don't take the car. It's like that in iceland so we always need to be prepared and put on winters tiers
@bos78 Shoot!, thats when i go out just to watch the idiots in summer street tires crash. With winter tires like these an snow covered road has nearly as much traction as gravel. With summer tires on your rig you should just stay in bed.
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and there all rear wheel drive cars they suck for traction my front wheel drive escort handles way fucking better then this and im still on my summer tires its
is there anyone who thinks that, if they had 3 separate trucks, the result would be different?
winter tires are made for this job
i dont think the video was trying to prove something here, they were just trying to show the big difference between types of tires (and maybe boost their winter tires sales :)
the same track and ice conditions allow for the "control" of the test...that way any differences between the tires can be linked directly to the tires, eliminating other variables (that's also why they are all mounted on the same BMW 3-Series model)
Of course the same 'condition' (note: not track) should be used...What I meant was that the surface of the ice would not be the same if the the next car is tested right after the previous one without giving time for the ice surface to return to its previous/frozen /unaffected condition. For a better test, they should have made two or three identical tracks on the same rink so that the cars are not run/tested on the same furface immediately after the one before. This test is a little dubious...
maybe the fact that none of the tires are studded minimized the impact of damage so much that the differences would be very very minimal...i would agree more if they were usuing studded tires which would just rip the ice right up but non-studded rubber probably didn't do significant damage to the track (idk, this is just my experience in Vermont winters)
Everyone knows what the surface of an ice rink is like, & if you drive a 1.5 ton vehicle over it & make it lose traction & skid over the surface, even a child would know that the surface of the ice would be noticeably altered & more slippery than before...They should have used more than one(but identical) cone tracks on the same ice rink & should have given suffient time for the ice surface to recover after a test run.
AWD will only give most drivers a false sense of security and get them in trouble faster. The AWD will be great for getting you up to speed, but when it comes time to stop your not any better off. Thing is, everybody has All Wheel Stop, and it all comes down to how much grip your brake have to work with.
AWD prevents you from getting stuck. but it doesn't help you stop. if anything, AWD will make it harder to stop because you have more weight, and also more resistance because you got the engine trying to turn all four wheels, while your trying to stop all four wheels.
if you put summer tires on in the winter, no matter what car, you might as well prepare your death will.
rtsoccerplayer - in an emergency situation an AWD car does not help you stop faster - but it certainly does help you maintain control. Having four tractive wheels without question helps maintain stability. If there is no traction though - then nothing will help - not even snow tires. That said - a person is certainly asking for problems if they drive on summer tires in the snow no matter what drivetrain they have.
true it helps you when you've got your foot on the gas while turning because it distrubutes the power more equally. but when turning with no power, there really isn't much of a difference.
rtsoccerplayer - yes and that is why when racing in an AWD car race car drivers accelerate very early coming out of the turn...to get an advantage in dry conditions(check out "Secrets of Speed" on here to here drivers discuss it). Each drivetrain requires different technique to get the most out of it. Since we're talking about snow - when driving the Audi I described - it's the same thing in the snow (albeit with a light throttle)....as I said the ESP/ASR hardly ever even comes on...
1through9 - what do you mean torque distribution doesn't matter when slowing down?? Have you never heard of "downshifting" and "engine braking" with a stick shift. There is almost always torque going through the wheels in an automatic. Just put your automatic in D and take your foot off the brake and it will move.... A RWD can spin oversteer if you come off the throttle in a fast turn. AWD does make a difference (some would say it makes it "boring") in the dry and it does in slippage.
The difference you're referring to is when you shift lock brake, which is not used often as trans parts are more expensive then brake parts, and certainly isn't used unless you drift. Torque distribution will not come into play while engine braking as the helical LSD's are mechanical, and not digital, and only redistribute torque in a straight line. The center diff only activates under acceleration, not braking. The only reason you feel there is a difference is the EST and TCS cntrl. indv wheels
1through9 - when I drove a stick shift there were many times during the day I down shifted without using brakes. Your auto trans does it nowadays as they are programmed to do such. In terms of the AWD system - it depends on the system. I am talking about NOT drifting actually. A "torque sensing" system like the Torsen used on Audi quattro's absolutely DOES apportion torque during engine braking - specifically to keep the car stable.
An AWD vehicle will get a little more traction during acceleration, but not when braking and cornering. I owned a Volvo S60R AWD car and there was a significant difference between the summer tires and winter tires during the winter time. I learned how to drive on hazardous winter roads at a young age and KNOW how important it is to have winter tires. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to spend $400+ on good winter tires. There would be a lot less accidents if everyone could afford them.
lluv2raceit - what you say is partially true. A good AWD system certainly DOES help with traction during cornering (hence it's use in rally racing). Though it may not help with "braking" - it certainly DOES help slow down using engine braking/coasting. When you lift off the throttle the four wheels share the torque - which means you have less a chance to "lose it" in slippery conditions. Driving an Audi A4 Quattro I can attest to it. I've spun out in a FWD minivan less trecherous conditions.
(continued) the A4 in question rides on 18" all seasons and makes it through NY winters with no problem. The traction control/ESP rarely even comes on. I've driven AWD SUV's that were not as good - and know that just as tires - AWD systems are not the same either. Some offer more traction and balance than others. Whatever setup a person has though - a person should know the capabilities of it and adjust their driving accordingly. If I had a RWD car though - I would definitely get snow tires.
Great video, I drive a 3 series with the sport package, rear wheel drive, the car came withsummer tires, Bridgestone turanza's and it was basically undriveable in the snow, but I slapped on some Brigestone Blizzaks and it was like night and day. After that, the car could climb steep snowy hills. Blizzaks are great in the snow. If you drive a rear wheel drive bimmer, I recommend snow tires for the winter. Thanks for posting the video.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO SO MUCH!! You have just PROVED my point to my dad so effectively! Thank You Thank You! I'm trying to buy a RWD Genesis Coupe in snowy Pennsylvania, and my dad thinks its just gonna spin out, and I'm trying to tell him tires are the biggest factor, and winter tires will be fine! I drive a RWD truck with all-seasons and it even does fine around here.
In Switzerland they dont even sell all Season tires, because of safety and if you drive with summer tires in winter the insurance will not pay anything if you crash....
z4z5z6 2 days ago
THE CAR IS NOT BLUE
cceessnnaa88 2 weeks ago
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denali7771 1 month ago
That winter tire took 21 ft 2 inches, imagine if a car was only 25 ft away when you were forced to stop. Only the winter tire could prevent you from rear ending it.
2015ww3 1 month ago
This morning it was snowing, I had summer only tires on my Subaru and I said ok why not lets try. Worst idea ever summer tires just flail helplessly in snow. So I put my warm gear on and fitted my stud less winter tire set. The stud less snow tires are phenomenal it grips just like normal tires do on a dirt road, very predictable traction and takes a bit of power to actually spin. You will have fun with it guaranteed.
McFly2015AD 1 month ago
I needed winter tires today!
docjekyll2002 1 month ago
Yep, winter tires can make a huge difference. Its really day and night. I would definitley make a investment in these. Also, abs and esc wont help too much in snowy conditions. Those electronics wont work witjout the right tires planted on em.
My 2 cents
homeboyskilletfresh 1 month ago
Must test in real wet snow and up/downhill to get the best result.
Cougman1978 1 month ago
so remember, don't drive in an ice hockey stadium!
assailant85 1 month ago 5
Certainly the video is somewhat boiled down to show a representation of the results in a quick and concise fashion. The actual testing took the better part of a day to complete. Like other product testing we do here at Tire Rack, we made a large quantity of runs on each tire and used standard test normalizing procedures to get valid and representative results.
thetirerack 1 month ago
Not documented in the video, we first pre-burnished the ice surface to stabilize the traction level and used a repeated control method to get the actual acceleration time and stopping distance numbers documented in the video. For the cornering demonstration we again pre-burnished the driving lane before filming the results.
thetirerack 1 month ago
Corner entry speed in each of the vehicles was held to within 100 rpm in the same gear, and every effort was made to use the same steering input to equalize the cornering effort asked of each tire.
thetirerack 1 month ago
We’ve done this sort of comparison with a variety of different tire makes and models over the years, and always end up with the same basic results and similar relative differences between the three product types.
And while this video is somewhat dramatic, we are not interested in publishing fiction. What we show is exactly what we got.
thetirerack 1 month ago
imaging mattracks on a huge lifted trick
MrBooster999 1 month ago
imagine drag racing tires on ice
MrBooster999 1 month ago
Damn man, the moment I have $300 again is the moment I will switch to 4 winter tires!
n3rdbear 1 month ago
Long story short: Winter tires are good for winter.
xxstaggerxx 2 months ago 2
Uhhhhh What about cars without traction control?
xxstaggerxx 2 months ago
brilliant video
soundsridesgadgets 3 months ago 3
tYre
alexhamster1134 3 months ago
evo 8 Blizzak's oh yeah... what's your winter tire this year?
vogon1 3 months ago
i always wondered about winter tyres on ice and now im sold. really amazing.
radioxxflyer 3 months ago
we of Microsoft advice Windows...
Rogier21 3 months ago
You neither upshift or downshift.. You have to press the clutch! - When you press it, there is no extra force (from engine) which forces the tyre to slip. Draw a graph, and all forces in it.. traction in one direction and all others in the opposite direction. Less forces in other direction means more traction! =)
Fr3lih 3 months ago
Will need to create a video like this for UK consumers
nationaltyre 4 months ago 8
you should not brake when lose control on ice, you must accelerate.
they could have saved the red car crash.
darios9797 4 months ago
@darios9797 You don't accelerate or brake. Best option is to set the car in neutral and let the tires naturally spin back into traction without forcing them to slip (acceleration or braking)
Rfsancho 4 months ago
@Rfsancho You don't set the car into neutral. You could put it in a lower gear (or leave it as is) so the engine break will slowly but surely stop the car.
cristicrs 4 months ago
@cristicrs If you set the car in gear when sliding sideways or even diagonally, it won't help you at all. Regaining roll traction is priority in neutral, then feel free to gear it up all you want.
Rfsancho 4 months ago
Black car's driver was better, that's all !
aksoyozgur 4 months ago
@aksoyozgur Don't be silly now.
godlins 3 months ago
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usdmarket 4 months ago
WHO THA FUCK DRIVES ON ICE ???? WITH REAR WHEEL DRIVE ????
kfl21 4 months ago
@kfl21 A lot of people with pickup trucks I think.
GargantulaKon 4 months ago
I run mud tires during the winter, factor in a detroit locker in the rear and you have yourself one scary drive
Heartjager 5 months ago
yea i have a 2000 vw golf with low profiles (looks so cool) and it drifts fine in the winter
kettell4 5 months ago
great. you brake and lock the tire during the corner for summer and all season tires. What a nice way of driving.
wdiabc 5 months ago
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wdiabc 5 months ago
This is not a good video at all. If you are going to compare tires you need to use the same car, same driver that way there is no difference in the machine/driver and the tests are balanced.
ThyBountyHunter 5 months ago
instead of buying snow tires, i bought a subaru... =D
jkldeer 6 months ago
@jkldeer you know that makes no sense
Waterman1223 6 months ago
@jkldeer yeah. 4 wheel drifting are more controllable.
wdiabc 5 months ago
@jkldeer I guarantee you my rear wheel drive vehicle with winter tires will out-handle your subaru with all seasons. You have to imagine this video with vehicles going 40mph in a curve on ice. My rwd will do a bit of back and forth shift but I'll make the turn. You'll be in the ditch after rolling the car...you may or may not be alive.
truemagellen 4 months ago
feets and inches? learn to use metric, idiots
Szgerle 8 months ago
Snow socks. Low cost, High benefit alternative to winter tyres. Bought a set last year for my E46 3-series. Worked a treat. Bit of a pain to fit and remove but really effective over ice and snow.
edshift 9 months ago
@edshift Autosock is only intended for emergency use only. Snow tires, yes, they cost more than a pair of Autosocks, means all 4 corners gets the maximized traction for winter use, which means... you have more control steering, stopping, accelerating, just plain ole driving. even worse is if the e46 is RWD. Autosock on the rear wheels only compromises the job the front wheels do
fartman10284 8 months ago
bmw e90s are terrible in snow no matter what tire you put on them.
goshem 11 months ago
@goshem i agree they should have used the same cars or atleast just switch tires between tests, each weigh less or more and each have different computers in them.
777MrProphet 10 months ago
@777MrProphet you are proof tht no matter wht you do someone will complain, epic test ignore this dickhead
emmetm1 10 months ago
overlaying view is dope as hell
DARELL313 11 months ago
Very interesting.
Monteguy88 11 months ago
1:21 It's black not blue
ahmeeeeeeeeeeeed 11 months ago
@ahmeeeeeeeeeeeed black is the new blue :)
plrlove 9 months ago 19
WHAT ABOUT DRAG RADIALS AND SLICKS, people like me use those to you kno
tuugfo 11 months ago
wow i am very impressed with those winter tires. i would have never thought that a car could even get any traction at all on ice.
feezynigga 11 months ago
ok first off bmw cars dont like snow i have one and i just took it into the park that was lightly covered running some nice winter tires they dont stop they just keep going thats why i never drive the bimmer if its icy or snowing or if there is still snow left over
speeder741 1 year ago
@speeder741 I have a 330XI with ice tires... amazing in the winter.
whtstang99 1 year ago
@whtstang99 o man dont get me wrong i love my bimmer great road car i can get up a steep hill in the snow from a stop on the hill i just cant stop LOL
speeder741 11 months ago
@speeder741
I have a 330i and have a pair of high quality snow tires for the winter and nice summer tires for the warmer months, but my car with rwd and snow tires felt absolutely perfect on roads that were plowed but had a layer of packed snow and ice and worked fine in anything up to like 4 inches of unplowed snow
5speed330i 7 months ago
@5speed330i my tires work fine in the snow i can from a stop on a hill get traction and go right up that hill they grip really good i just cant stop i keep going lol
speeder741 7 months ago
I'm surprised the winter tires did as well as they did without studs. Impressive.
hites05 1 year ago
summer and all season would be like driving a boat
UltimateDud 1 year ago
Dear Tire Rack, I am interested in purchasing Track and Competition DOT tires. I was wondering if I could get a review of some of the tires like the Pzero Corsa, the Hoosier A6, the BFGoodrich g-Force R1 and other tires! Thumbs up if you agree. Thanks!
oDTheTruth 1 year ago
How come the ABS is disabled on the cars, yet the announcer talks about it?
kuladeeluxe 1 year ago
@kuladeeluxe ABS only works above certain speeds (approx 15-20mph) - or else you would never be able to stop your car fully..
imagine the ABS not ever allowing the cars wheels to stop turning ;)
csdk5K 1 year ago 2
Where is the ABS?
LluisGuri 1 year ago
i want to drive in an ice rink! lol
starshock01 1 year ago
I wish they would show performance winter tires vs stud less ice snow tires
atami210 1 year ago
Awsome
RKr894 1 year ago
Curling on ice?
kevalater 1 year ago
People forget that your car has lower gears. Use them when going down an icy hill. Don't rely on your brakes to help you down the hill. Use your brakes and your vehicles lower gears to make it through tougher spots a little easier. Trust me, it works. I see people trying to make it down an icy hill in drive. Those people are morons. If you never driven on ice and snow. STAY HOME!!!! Thank you.
JimmyJames6784 1 year ago
Great test, Tire Rack!
Arai4lpinestars 1 year ago
Snow chains, there cheaper and will have alot more effect on traction. combined with a cheap set of medium hard snow tires is all you need. not some soft compound snowtire that will loose tread in half a year of solid use.
Lokivoid 1 year ago
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DrifterMaksIM 1 year ago
Why don't just put snow tire jackets on top of the other tires using similar to those existing chains methods?
beancube2010 1 year ago
Very nice video. Thank you!
flatron22wide 1 year ago
perfect
adrian17cy 1 year ago
Are these 328i BMW's? or 328xi models? The "x" makes a huge difference.
ChoklitRhein 1 year ago
@cyrraxz Good point Cyrraxz, thanks for thye added info, as that would make a huge difference
kipp0man 1 year ago
nice test - thanks for the results
kipp0man 1 year ago
gods sake use studded tires!
agent866 1 year ago
Which brands were used? Several test in Europe have shown good AW tires performing very close to good wintertires. Mediocre or bad wintert. perform worse. SO it is important. Nokian developed a slushtest, which is not included here but is something common in several countries and states. The AW tire Vredestein Quatrac was better than any tire (including wintertire of renowned brands) out there. So "jack of all trades"? I'd say:"Good in anything, master in few" If you have a good AW tire.
Goid
Serenoj69 1 year ago
Or rwd?
drazza94 1 year ago
Are these cars all wheel drive?
drazza94 1 year ago
thanks Dr Phil, i will look into these tires, but i wont take ur word for it cos wtf does a doc know abuot tires?
davetfox 1 year ago
@davetfox
I sincerely hope that was meant to be a joke.
broker1able 1 year ago
im going to be investing in some winter tires when i get my RWD oldsmobile cutlass supreme... with the summer tires I SPIN LIKE CRAZY!!
kowal789 1 year ago
Smart use of YouTube , more companies should do this with the product they sell
panadevulpe 1 year ago 68
@panadevulpe They do dude, unfortuately most of them attack us with ads BEFORE the video we want to watch, begins playing, so they shove the ads in our face, as most advertisers do anyways. :/
I9hate9usernames 1 year ago
@panadevulpe Captain Obvious, TO THE RESCUE!
truemagellen 4 months ago
@truemagellen get a life o&a cocksucker !! you go back 10 months on comments ?
panadevulpe 4 months ago
Were the 3's XI's?? I have a 335xi and have allseasons and am curious if i need winter tires?
YuriCLS55 1 year ago
@YuriCLS55 You should always get winters.
29ryan49 1 year ago
@YuriCLS55 winter ipikes would be better
highgamer100 1 year ago
@YuriCLS55 get the tires. thats the point of the video.
galuple 1 year ago
a bmw should never be driven into the boards like that
qazwas2001 1 year ago
you don`t need this, it`s a joke on your money.
alinus73 1 year ago
@alinus73 You are clueless. It makes a big difference. I saved for two years so I could buy my first set. Now I drive around stuck 4x4s in my stock 2wd van. Too many people think that just because they have all wheel drive they can go anywhere and do any thing in the snow and ice.
A while back two vehicles in front of me spun out with one being a 4x4. While they went into the guardrail I just went around them.
consaka1 1 year ago
OMG I want to drive a car on an Ice ring! So much fun!
TornTech 1 year ago 2
I use like 3 sets of tires, and 2 sets of chains, first time I had to drag someone out of the ditch using my 04 eclipse gs, hasn't been modded much but I had snow tires with tire chains and this truck slid off the road or minivan type of a truck but I had to work fairly hard to get that truck out of the ditch. (reason why) it was one of my friends girl that got stuck in a ditch.
slickdrake 1 year ago
I would have liked to know what the exact tires in these tests were in these tests. All Seasons, studless winter and Summer tires aren't created equal, that's for sure. But neither are different brand tires within those types. So what tires are these? The best of each type? The worst? A mix?
vtcolin 1 year ago
In Finland 70% of the cars have studded winter tires and 30% winter tyres. It is illegal to use summer tyres on winter.
Henqli 1 year ago
Real men use STUDDED winter tires.
I've tried summer tires in heavy winter (Michelin Pilot Primacy, Volvo 855), and there was no grip at all. Just like in this video.
TeIenor 1 year ago
Winter tires are great for the snow and ice but it still won't replace poor driving habits and skills of many drivers. As a matter of fact people depend too much on winter tires, giving them a false sense of safety making them become more reckless and wild in winter driving conditions.
7477238 1 year ago
champiro wt430 is one of the best directional studless winter tires out there.
TheNineveh 1 year ago
You would enjoy a whole new ball game just with a simple tool under your tires.
noskidable 1 year ago
Just take a look at the simple tool, preventing our lorry skidding on ice, Skidding accidents today should be in a history book.
MASAIINA 1 year ago
they should just give it more gas around the corners and go sideways!!!!
masterkdrifter 1 year ago 2
@masterkdrifter lmoa, i was thinking the same, what a waste of an icerink
3312cdfp5674 1 year ago
@PaulusTigana wtf? those tires have terrible thread patterns - look like frigging all season tires. no thanks, i'll stick with my nordics
alexkvaskov 1 year ago
goodyear nordics are the best winter tires
alexkvaskov 1 year ago
If you are looking for good studless wintertires, or friction tires, you need to get tires made for the scandinavian market, and the ones that normally get best marks are Nokian, Michelin and Continental. This year Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R are the two best tires available, where Nokian is a bit better on snow and ice, and Michelin does a little bit better on bare roads. Goodyear is represented by the Goodyear Ice Navi Zea, wich is considered to be a bit behind the leaders
PaulusTigana 1 year ago
my e90 on 18" rft (potenza re050 rft summer 255/40/18) are garbage in snow/ice.
Superidkwhatever 2 years ago
firestone winterforce are a really good winter tire
licensedhobo 2 years ago
I m sure should have some tyres are better in the winter time, these winter 'tires' are way too slow for me. is there any tyre came with a surface feels like a sandpaper?
TastyDiscovery 2 years ago
The comparisatio test when slipping isn't fair @2:36 and @2:48. The last car is stopping quicker because he goes more sideways! :(
ReneR1988 2 years ago
Studded tires would have been a good example as well. Those tires would excel even better on an ice surface.
Deussu 2 years ago 11
Studded tyres are purely for racing... They do not perform good in every day use due to the fact that they get damaged on contact with tarmac! Even on ice they loose many studs therefore you would have to replace them every few days!
eryksokolowski 2 years ago
Are you speaking from experience? Right now my car has studded winter tyres. Sure the tarmac damages them, but I prefer to have that extra edge on wet ice slick.
Deussu 2 years ago
What a coincidence he fully brakes the red car on the front wheels before going into the corner, and let's the others roll. So much for a reliable test
jagovdstap 2 years ago
Studded tires would be a nice addition. But all-season doesn't really mean all season. lol.
wazzup784 2 years ago
good information
SuperDziugas 2 years ago
This video just shows what we've suspected all along: BMWs suck...
dogeatscrap 2 years ago
the blue car ? that car is as black as black gets
raulucian 2 years ago 3
@raulucian lol honestly..this guy must be colour blind and throwing ..blind guesses as to the colour..
kuphos 2 years ago
@kuphos *OR* he's reading a script.
DigiTan000 2 years ago
Maybe he was just getting confused as at the end the black car has a blue arrow?
Whitecobra08 2 years ago
and besides that, no winter tires can save you on ICE. you need studs.
asdglasfk 2 years ago 2
advertising movie. no modern car allows you to completely lock the wheels on ice !
asdglasfk 2 years ago
not true
mrbutch47 2 years ago
@asdglasfk
Not true ABS does not work until certain speed is reached, as it does not make sense. It is expected that you should stop period.
rybakowicki 2 years ago 2
I'd like to see the studded tires.
makinawdandy6699 2 years ago
If the roads around you house are like an ice rink, stay home.
bos78 2 years ago 97
@bos78 I live in Alaska, certain parts of the road are seriously like this. you have to encounter ice road even if you are only going for a 1 mile drive to get groceries
lhtony 1 year ago
@bos78 If everyone did that, the entire world would stop for 1/4 of the year. That's such a great idea. Let's all stay home without people at the power plant, 911 operator office, hospitals, grocery stores, gas stations. Hell, even the people working at police stations and fire stations should just STAY home because it's "like an ice rink outside." Great idea there buddy.
DensetsuNoMajo 1 year ago
@bos78 Try doing that when you wake up and need to show up for school and will be to late if you don't take the car. It's like that in iceland so we always need to be prepared and put on winters tiers
agent866 1 year ago
@bos78 Shoot!, thats when i go out just to watch the idiots in summer street tires crash. With winter tires like these an snow covered road has nearly as much traction as gravel. With summer tires on your rig you should just stay in bed.
consaka1 1 year ago
@bos78 - drs., nurses, firemen, policemen, paramedics, utility workers, transportation workers, municipal authorities too?
TheWhyness 1 year ago
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and there all rear wheel drive cars they suck for traction my front wheel drive escort handles way fucking better then this and im still on my summer tires its
snowing where i live now and i have toyo
hankook tires are better though they last
a long time
hacker1462 2 years ago
dang.... those are such nice beemers!
lsolate 2 years ago
xdrive is bmw's awd system
popchilito 2 years ago 2
Are those cars RWD that they use on the tests??
holychester 2 years ago
yes they are bud all BMW's are RWD even the little 116i
lilcow418 2 years ago
some of the newer bimmers have AWD now.
nickyb628 2 years ago 3
Really
mrbutch47 2 years ago
There is only one conclusion.
Don`t use summer tires to play hokey
:D
chudykrs 2 years ago 3
so u dont believe the test?
is there anyone who thinks that, if they had 3 separate trucks, the result would be different?
winter tires are made for this job
i dont think the video was trying to prove something here, they were just trying to show the big difference between types of tires (and maybe boost their winter tires sales :)
dimos47ki7 2 years ago
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The test shows all cars using the same Track. I have doubts whether the ice surface/ condition would the the same for all the cars.
perfectcheeseburger 2 years ago
the same track and ice conditions allow for the "control" of the test...that way any differences between the tires can be linked directly to the tires, eliminating other variables (that's also why they are all mounted on the same BMW 3-Series model)
mercmilan06 2 years ago 2
Of course the same 'condition' (note: not track) should be used...What I meant was that the surface of the ice would not be the same if the the next car is tested right after the previous one without giving time for the ice surface to return to its previous/frozen /unaffected condition. For a better test, they should have made two or three identical tracks on the same rink so that the cars are not run/tested on the same furface immediately after the one before. This test is a little dubious...
perfectcheeseburger 2 years ago
maybe the fact that none of the tires are studded minimized the impact of damage so much that the differences would be very very minimal...i would agree more if they were usuing studded tires which would just rip the ice right up but non-studded rubber probably didn't do significant damage to the track (idk, this is just my experience in Vermont winters)
mercmilan06 2 years ago 2
Everyone knows what the surface of an ice rink is like, & if you drive a 1.5 ton vehicle over it & make it lose traction & skid over the surface, even a child would know that the surface of the ice would be noticeably altered & more slippery than before...They should have used more than one(but identical) cone tracks on the same ice rink & should have given suffient time for the ice surface to recover after a test run.
perfectcheeseburger 2 years ago
ice underfoot of a car only stays in a slush form for a moment and then returns to ice
AnimepimpYT 2 years ago
what if u have summer tires on an AWD car in the snow????????
sergsrt8 2 years ago
AWD will only give most drivers a false sense of security and get them in trouble faster. The AWD will be great for getting you up to speed, but when it comes time to stop your not any better off. Thing is, everybody has All Wheel Stop, and it all comes down to how much grip your brake have to work with.
Nsquared97 2 years ago 14
AWD prevents you from getting stuck. but it doesn't help you stop. if anything, AWD will make it harder to stop because you have more weight, and also more resistance because you got the engine trying to turn all four wheels, while your trying to stop all four wheels.
if you put summer tires on in the winter, no matter what car, you might as well prepare your death will.
rtsoccerplayer 2 years ago 2
rtsoccerplayer - in an emergency situation an AWD car does not help you stop faster - but it certainly does help you maintain control. Having four tractive wheels without question helps maintain stability. If there is no traction though - then nothing will help - not even snow tires. That said - a person is certainly asking for problems if they drive on summer tires in the snow no matter what drivetrain they have.
Amidat 2 years ago
true it helps you when you've got your foot on the gas while turning because it distrubutes the power more equally. but when turning with no power, there really isn't much of a difference.
rtsoccerplayer 2 years ago
rtsoccerplayer - yes and that is why when racing in an AWD car race car drivers accelerate very early coming out of the turn...to get an advantage in dry conditions(check out "Secrets of Speed" on here to here drivers discuss it). Each drivetrain requires different technique to get the most out of it. Since we're talking about snow - when driving the Audi I described - it's the same thing in the snow (albeit with a light throttle)....as I said the ESP/ASR hardly ever even comes on...
Amidat 2 years ago
Sorry dude, but every car has 4 wheel braking. Torque distribution is meaningless when slowing down.
1throrugh9 2 years ago
1through9 - what do you mean torque distribution doesn't matter when slowing down?? Have you never heard of "downshifting" and "engine braking" with a stick shift. There is almost always torque going through the wheels in an automatic. Just put your automatic in D and take your foot off the brake and it will move.... A RWD can spin oversteer if you come off the throttle in a fast turn. AWD does make a difference (some would say it makes it "boring") in the dry and it does in slippage.
Amidat 2 years ago
The difference you're referring to is when you shift lock brake, which is not used often as trans parts are more expensive then brake parts, and certainly isn't used unless you drift. Torque distribution will not come into play while engine braking as the helical LSD's are mechanical, and not digital, and only redistribute torque in a straight line. The center diff only activates under acceleration, not braking. The only reason you feel there is a difference is the EST and TCS cntrl. indv wheels
1throrugh9 2 years ago
1through9 - when I drove a stick shift there were many times during the day I down shifted without using brakes. Your auto trans does it nowadays as they are programmed to do such. In terms of the AWD system - it depends on the system. I am talking about NOT drifting actually. A "torque sensing" system like the Torsen used on Audi quattro's absolutely DOES apportion torque during engine braking - specifically to keep the car stable.
Amidat 2 years ago
An AWD vehicle will get a little more traction during acceleration, but not when braking and cornering. I owned a Volvo S60R AWD car and there was a significant difference between the summer tires and winter tires during the winter time. I learned how to drive on hazardous winter roads at a young age and KNOW how important it is to have winter tires. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to spend $400+ on good winter tires. There would be a lot less accidents if everyone could afford them.
Iluv2raceit 2 years ago 2
lluv2raceit - what you say is partially true. A good AWD system certainly DOES help with traction during cornering (hence it's use in rally racing). Though it may not help with "braking" - it certainly DOES help slow down using engine braking/coasting. When you lift off the throttle the four wheels share the torque - which means you have less a chance to "lose it" in slippery conditions. Driving an Audi A4 Quattro I can attest to it. I've spun out in a FWD minivan less trecherous conditions.
Amidat 2 years ago
(continued) the A4 in question rides on 18" all seasons and makes it through NY winters with no problem. The traction control/ESP rarely even comes on. I've driven AWD SUV's that were not as good - and know that just as tires - AWD systems are not the same either. Some offer more traction and balance than others. Whatever setup a person has though - a person should know the capabilities of it and adjust their driving accordingly. If I had a RWD car though - I would definitely get snow tires.
Amidat 2 years ago
Great video, I drive a 3 series with the sport package, rear wheel drive, the car came withsummer tires, Bridgestone turanza's and it was basically undriveable in the snow, but I slapped on some Brigestone Blizzaks and it was like night and day. After that, the car could climb steep snowy hills. Blizzaks are great in the snow. If you drive a rear wheel drive bimmer, I recommend snow tires for the winter. Thanks for posting the video.
roseybasil 2 years ago
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO SO MUCH!! You have just PROVED my point to my dad so effectively! Thank You Thank You! I'm trying to buy a RWD Genesis Coupe in snowy Pennsylvania, and my dad thinks its just gonna spin out, and I'm trying to tell him tires are the biggest factor, and winter tires will be fine! I drive a RWD truck with all-seasons and it even does fine around here.
ckurt3 2 years ago 26
@ckurt3 Snow tires on a Hyundai Genesis makes the car so much better 500% in the snow.
Mondafied 1 year ago
why would you want a hyundai? buy a 370z
sciullo779 1 year ago
@sciullo779 why would you want a Nissan??
ckurt3 1 year ago