The Climate Show 04: Peter Gleick, the AGU, and climate sensitivity

[MissingGWdotcom]

Deskset, lolol on just One petition it was signed by 9,021 American PhD's and 22,051 additional American scientists. Polls across the globe are figuring out the man made climate BS AS less believe in this crap everyday, now many off the groups you cite admit climate change is real just like ice core after ice core show but to prove a change of .01% in co2 has any effect on temp ios a differnt story, please if you have proof do tell

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom Polls? Petions? I thought you said you didn't believe in all that consensus stuff?

Self contradiction is the hallmark of fools and liars.

[deskset24]

The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW denialist = Holocaust denier

= Evolution denier nutjobs NEVER mention the loss of jobs to those

who want to work in the solar and wind field,

but these are not coddled ad pampered to the way the coal, oil,

nuclear industries have been coddeled to by politicians,

esp in the US, for over 200 years (starting with coal, obviously).

[deskset24]

@deskset24 It is time for the AGW proponents to fight back

against the flood of AGW-denying propaganda that infiltrates

the airwaves and internet and cable tv.

We need our viewpoint heard and acted on,

the way the denialists have been coddled to

and have had politicians bending over backwards for them for centuries.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Come on admit you know nothing of this subject or the questions surronding this bs science, u ignore it all.

LOLOLOL Solar and wind are no where close to being economical, if you knew anything about solar you would know it is 3x cost of other sources the good news is nano technologies are giving us break throughs and maybe with in 3 years we will have something but it will never be enough power to supply say a steal plant

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 If the technology is not ready it will not make an impact unless the government subsidies it. Pickens quit his big solar wind farm because it was loosing money like a pig. (hay how much CO2 is created make this large turbines? Denmark just voted to stop subsidising their 10 year failed wind farm, nice as they pay more for electricity in the eu destroying their economy, good job

[deskset24]

Conservatards like MissingABraindotcom believe in non-existent fraud by the IPCC and climate scientists, but they deny the proven criminal election fraud by Republicans and Democrats, mostly Republicans, in each election every year.

Go to markcrispinmiller (dot) com. He has done the hard research on election fraud, something Demopublicans never do.

[deskset24]

More thoughs for MissingABraindotcom:

The entire AGW-denying industry started with Alex Jones, the AGW-deniers' guru and savior. This is the guy who thinks 911 was holograms!

[deskset24]

To MissingABraindotcom:

Don't be brainwashed by the anthropogenic global-warming (AGW) denying industry!

They want to control all the nation's energy policy and force huge tax increases to pay for their oil spills and coal mining disasters and nuclear power accidents.

[MissingGWdotcom]

Here is something to believe in natural and drastic temp change. GISP ice core shows the temp has average 1.5 degrees higher today in the NH over the last 11,000 yrs. Just 1000 years ago it was 1 degree C higher, 2000 yrs ago 2 degrees C higher and 3300 years ago 3 DEGREES C HIGHER, NOT F BUT C! With many ups and downs in between and the world did not flood or end!

Natural climate change very real, but man made climate change nothing but bs science and left wing politics.

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom You don't believe modern science can work out the current climate yet you make up stories about how hot it was thousands of years ago, at least you could try and be consitent if you're going to lie. Either science does or doesn't understand something, you can't have it both ways.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 No I dont beleive the models can predict anything and that has played out the last 10 years as they are wrong! Now if you read the excective summery of any model they admit they ignore negative loopbacks are forces that drive temp down like storms and hurricanes that take tons of energy out of the athmosphere, it is really not totaly their faults as they cant predict these things even from one yr to the next. Whn is the last time the got the hurricane prediction right?

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom Hurricanes and storms are weather, not climate, they do not take energy out of the system, ie: atmospheric turbulance makes no difference to global temps. However real -ve feedbacks such as ice albido and real -ve forcings such as areosols are both included in models.

And please don't lecture me about computer models, I am a degree qualified computer scientist and I'm well aware of the limitations and utility of finite element analysis techniques.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 I am really getting tired of teaching you the basics in this area, you really know nothing but what some far left group's doom and gloom that is not even coming true. If you read the executive summery of any climate model, they admit they ignore this neg loopback (do u even understand that neg loop?)

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 they do not include storms and hurricanes because they cant predict them, where does that energy come from when you get winds and waves from a storm? That energy is used up like running a battery.

LOLOLOL where are u from, you will not say and as for as smart as you are u refuse to debate th facts because u dont understand them. You dont even unsterstand models and why they are positive loopback biased and cant predict crap. You are a joke and ur questions pove it

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 The good news 30 years ago when all these models predict and ice with out considering even the oceans we have come a long ways but these models are still incomplete positive loopback baised but have moved up to 3rd grade. So is it getting better yes, can it predict anything no.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 Look at GISP ice core yourself the most studied ice core from the northern hemisphere, ignore it all you want but that is how you roll.

Wrong wrong Science today does not understand how the climate works nor does it understand past temp changes and worse of all it ignores past changes. wANT TO BUILT A MODEL WORTH A DAMN BUILD ONE THAT CAN EXPLAIN 1000S OD DRASTIC PAST TEMP CHANGES RANGING 3 DEGREES C

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom Do you read what you post? - The begining of your sentance says science doesn't understand the past climate but the end of your sentance is yelling that you know what the past temp was.

Hint: It's not scientists that don't understand these things, it's you! You will never understand until you take your political goggles off and stop parroting the propoganda and misinformation put out by the heratige institute, CEI, and other like minded K-street lobbyists.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 You really have a problem with basic thoughts, must be that uk education? Look at the most studies ice cores in the word GISP from NH and Vostok from SH. These ice cores show temp data going back 100,000 of years showing massive and drastic temp change, this is the data and now it has to be explained to understand what happens naturaly in the climate. Really are you dumb?

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 Look if you believe in man made global warming you believe in an unproven RF theory and models that could not predict anything, knock youself out, dont ask question and drink the far left koolaid all you want but this why you are not the brighest tool in the shed. lolol69olololololol69lolololol­ol

Look at the ice cores graphs, the last 11,000 years in particular and maybe your mind can figure out lines, lololol

[deskset24]

@Tapecutter59 MissingABraindotcom cannot understand what you just said. Like all conservatards, he can speak only in soundbytes that are broadcast on network tv.

Damn! I gotta create a YT channel with that name, to counter all his BS!

[deskset24]

I support torturing and executing rapist VP Joe Biden and cunt Hillary Clinton of the USA because they are rightwing terrorists, and everyone who has read this has agreed to my legal opinion and cannot hold me responsible for it.

I have an equal say in what is legal or not just as any judge or lawyer, who are brainwashed by the judicial industry.

RadioWammo: stop giving voice to GW-denialists. They have silenced environmentalists for decades.

[deskset24]

Fact: AGW-deniers are extremist pro-big-government religionists. They threaten to murder Julian Assange - an international hero - with crazy unproven unscientific theories promoted by the judicial industry that wikileaks "harms" troops or that supporting troops has any beneficial effect or that marijuana kills or that fighting human-caused global warming will in any way harm an economy when in fact it is the only thing that can save it.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Julian is a raper. Informants the good guys are getting killed because of the raper, marijuana like cigs do kill enjoy the lung cancer, and this global warming BS is just another excuse to give poor corrupt countries wealth. The left and all this BS WOULD BE PERFECT IF WE HAD A MONEY TREE, MAGIC WAND AN NO ENEMIES.

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom And Bush-Cheney-Lord Monckton and everyone who is part of the global-warming denying industry are known criminals and terrorists. They interfere with the work of governments to stop the destruction of the economy and to prevent the superrich and oil-coal-nuclear industries from imprisoning and taking over the poor people's property.

Julian Assange is a journalist. Funny that the conservatives don't ask to arrest the terrorists Rupert Murdoch, Beck, Limbaugh. Kill them.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Every Gov job is to protect its citizens and its allies and why certain information is made secret. J Ass is making a fortune passing on top secret info while endangering american citizens and her allies. This man needs to go to jail and probaly well because of rape charges, and if not hopefully in the USA for stealing and passing on top secret info that has put many lives in jeopardy. Too bad.

Note Bush and Cheney were elected not once but TWICE!

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom You are so full of shit with your make-believe crap about Assange hurting anyone, when manmade global warming that you support so much is a vastly bigger threat to soldiers, to nations, to civilization. YOU and Bush and Cheney need to go to prison for life for first-degree murder. Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi can make the case.

More typical conservative ideology that supports big government taking away freedoms.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Thank God for Bush having the balls to take out killer Saddam, another mass grave found with 1500 kurdgirls shot inthe head with ak 47s, oh that terrible USA, the greatest country in the world.

Hay what country are you from, what some crappy mid east country that has done nothing for the world?

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom And thank the Communists and Red Army to take out Adolph Hitler. Pussy capitalists did nothing. Fuck god. Only pussies believe in "jesus" and "god".

Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld will be raped in prison and executed for mass murder and stealing other countries' oil and for conspiring with Reagan in the 1980s to build up the Taliban.

HA! The stupid Republican-lovers are STILL stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan, getting blown up every day by the Taliban and Al-Qaeda!

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Again what country are you from, lets talk about the great things for world peace you county has done, but you are scared right.

OK on to the great USA. ONLY 435,000 Americans lost in WW2 and trillions in treasure. We spent $2 trillion in todays money stop the USSR from burying the west. Thanks to the great USA 30 countries are free and billions are enjoying freedom. But you dont want people to have freedom you want to take it and make it in ur sick image, wooooohooo 

[MissingGWdotcom]

Muhammad just wanted to be a Jew, fact, Islam is a copy of the Jewish religion, anf Muhammad started killing jews because they rejected him, could you imagine jesus killing those that did not covert? Stealling oil do tell, Iraq sells its oil and the world market and spends it on what they see fit, really what strange country do u live in?

And the middle east is changing like never before because of the great usa, ajnd about time as they are only 400 years behind the world.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Americans pay about $8 a month to change iraq and afghan, well worth it. Iraq is done as they take over their country and oil revenues boom, and in afghan the pressure is now on pakistain and it is about time. Women are not being shoot in the soceer staduim anymore as they now play soccer there instead, of that terrible USA.

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom And thank Julian Assange for having the guts to do what the pussy-ass rightwing conservative mainstream media - FOX, CNN, MSNBC - fail to do.

Even your loverboy Alex Jones, the great GW-denier, thinks that at worst Assange is a CIA plant and reveals nothing of value, so YOU should love Assange for THAT alone, if his theory is even partly true.

Glad that the IPCC, NASA and US military even (NSA, too) are going to kick your ass on global warming by going full speed ahead.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Fail to do what steal secret info and put pray men and women in jeopardy, funny.

Ogh freat conspericy theories, seems you live off them, note very few are true and most those dont matter, so good luck with that, lololol

Oh you must missed it as cap and trade got shot down, what the epa is up to is being shot down, oh an Americans by a far majority now think it is pure bs and so does the petition signed by 9,021 American PhD's and 22,051 additional American scientists.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Hay believe in man made global warming but to do so means believing in an unproven RF theory and bs models that cant predict anything, good luck with that, lololol.

I believe the administrator of NASA Michael D. summed it up by stating “Unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical”.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 The other conservatives you list do not pass on top secret info endangering the lives of americans or allies.

Hay as soon as u get some proof 100ppm increase in CO2 that can be reproduced let me know, the ipcc's rf theory and bs models that cant predict crap are not it.

Here is too J ASS's jail time!

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom And Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh are child murderers and rapists - see how many folks they raped in Guantanamo - and need to be killed. Hopefully the CIA and NSA are setting up a plan to bring this scum to justice.

Nobody in the USA has any legal right or authority to kidnap or prosecute Assange.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 lololol69lolololol, They rape terrorist at gitmo? hay is there any air to breathe with as far out there as you are?

Sure J Ass gave out top secret info, if not jail for raping women then jail time for making millions off stolen info and putting many brave souls lives in danger. J Ass is going to get it up the butt in a great place like Carson City

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom The IPCC, Greenpeace, are taking down the oil-gas-coal industries like they should.

The Sea Shepherd is taking out pussy-coward Japanese whalers, like they should. Fucking Japanese rightwing Nazis murdered and tortured and raped a million chinese and experimented on live humans in labs. You have Jews and socialists to thank for taking out the Japanese in WWII, and the Red Army for taking out Hitler. Eco-warriers will do the same to the coal-gas-oil-nuclear industries.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Funny the ipcc and its CRU have been completely discredit this year with their own emsils manipulating data. changing review process and wanting to beat people up disagreeing, good job and Americans are seeing it and saying no and hell no!!!! Oh it was the great USA to stop japan gone crazy and now they are a great ally oh and so is Germany, oh and also 2 of the the biggest economies in the world, oh the terrible USA.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 FUNNY if it was not massive air lifts of usa military equipment to russia it would have fell in ww2, oh that terrible usa again.

great and the eco warriers can live with out rages energy prices living poor, good job.

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom I have zero respect for any of your selfish causes. I am proud to support the War Against Manmade Global Warming, the War for Animal Rights, the War for Drug Choice (legalization of pot, drug choice). We are succeeding every day. You OWE Greenpeace for any clean air, water, food, land.

If you don't support violent deadly force for justified causes, like blowing up the oil-gas-coal-meat industries, then don't ask me to support deadly violent force for YOUR stupid causes.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 You a true crack up, you wont debate my points but insult me not even knowing me, lolol. Then the you have to tell me how great your are, lolololol69lololololol. Good on man made globaling at least inform ur self on the bs u believe in, read ipcc chapter 1, 6 and 9 to get a clue about bs models and RF. hUMAN RIGHTSCOME FIRST BUT NO LETS STARVE PEOPLE FOR A shrimp. Great lets push pot and more lung cancer on our kids. Everyone wants a good live in a good enviroment so at least be smart

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 What in the world are you talking about voilence we have elections and in the USA the socialist liberals just got killed, lolololol. You are way out that, uninformed and high on yourself, but joke comes to my mind, please please more message to prove your nuttiness,ROTF

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom So you admit: conservatards and islamofascists such as yourselves routinely break the law and use violence and murder people when you can't get your way.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 No I am a proud American from the greatest country in man kinds history, i see you wont debate any of your issues, just insulting me, yawn.

I likr liberals not socialist, what happen to the dems of my childhood like Kennedy, dont ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for it 

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Good book on the complete failings of liberals - Peter Schweizer is the author of “Makers and Takers: Why Conservatives Work Harder, Feel Happier, Have Closer Families, Take Fewer Drugs, Give More Generously, Value Honesty More, Are Less Materialistic and Envious, Whine Less ... And Even Hug Their Children More Than Liberals” The books studies are mostly based on studies from liberal universities

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom More propaganda excrement from conservatards who don't know how to read or logically put facts together.

Go read all of Ralph Nader's book and actually LEARN something. Or, better still: read the IPCC's 3000-page reports. We're still winning the battle against AGW. If you were smart, you'd go live with the islamofascists whom you admire and love so much, since you both love living in the desert heat so much.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Funny I have been following the man made global warming for 30 years when they had me comvinced abd ice age was coming with models that did not even include the oceans, this time I need reproducable proof and AGW and incomplete positive loopback baised models that could not even predict the last ten years is not it. You can believe anything you want bit all it is is a belief. Your really not need to read all the ipcc report most is doom and gloom that is not coming true

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 All you need to read is IPCC chapter 1, 6 and 9 as that is the bs science. lololol, you are losing the battle IN countries like India and China want no part oF it and in the USA the polls each month show more and more Americans are seeing the BS like in the CRU emails.

Nadar really, ROTFF, LOLOLOLOL69LOLOLOLOL, rEALLY LETS ARGUE THE SCIENCE START ANYWHERE YOU WANT, lets do models or maybe RF?

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years -- evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 . There are articles against AGW from everyone from Edward Wegman, Richard Tol, Christopher Landsea, Duncan Wingham, Robert M. Carter, Richard Lindzen, Vincent R. Gray, Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Tom Segalstad, Nir Shaviv, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Hendrik Tennekes, Freeman Dyson, Antonino Zichichi, David Bromwich, Eigil Friis-Christensen, Henrik Svensmark, Sami Solanki, Jasper Kirkby, Habibullo Abdussamatov, TOO NAME A FEW

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom Science Council of Japan Russian Academy of Sciences Royal Society (United Kingdom) National Academy of Sciences (United States of America) Australian Academy of Sciences Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts Caribbean Academy of Sciences Indonesian Academy of Sciences Royal Irish Academy Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus …”

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Where is your reproducable proof? I would love to see it RF cant even come up with a value and the models cant predict crap. If you know different do tell.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Then check out a book called the Deniers which includes many opinions man made global warming is BS including and why from Edward Wegman, Richard Tol, Christopher Landsea, Duncan Wingham, Robert M. Carter, Richard Lindzen, Vincent R. Gray, Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Tom Segalstad, Nir Shaviv, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Hendrik Tennekes, Freeman Dyson, Antonino Zichichi, David Bromwich, Eigil Friis-Christensen, Henrik Svensmark, Sami Solanki, TOO NAME A FEW

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom Yawn.

Why don't you ask me to check out what Charles Manson or Bernie Madoff have to say about GW?

Better: why don't you check out wikileaks and Julian Assange for what he has to say about criminal US military action in Iraq. Assange is infinitely more credible on that subject than any of your idols are on the subject of GW. Ralph Nader, Amory Lovins, Ingrid Newkirk, etc are better experts on either subject than you and your idols are.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 Oh do tell us what J Ass stolen info says, me I am glad Saddam is gone and the seed of democracy is finaly taking root in the ME. If there is one place that needs it it is that mess of a region. and once muslims except their jewish brothers and sisters instead of trying to convert or kill them the place might be great again, right now it is a disaster. Good job.

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom

Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Brazil)

Royal Society of Canada

Chinese Academy of Sciences

Academié des Sciences (France)

Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)

Indian National Science Academy

Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)

[deskset24]

@deskset24

In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed these conclusions:

NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

National Academy of Sciences (NAS)

State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)

American Geophysical Union (AGU)

[deskset24]

@deskset24

American Institute of Physics (AIP)

National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)

American Meteorological Society (AMS)

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

[MissingGWdotcom]

@deskset24 So you refuse to debate the science but instead cite far left groups, nice, I believe the administrator of NASA Michael D. summed it up by stating “Unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical”. He also correctly asked” who is to say what the proper temperature is to be”?

[MissingGWdotcom]

Great maybe your little videos can address the real problem that a 100 ppm increase of CO2 in the lab has no effect on temp as it takes an increase of about 200,000 ppm CO2 in the lab to cause a 3 degree C temp change. This is going from .01% to 20%. The believers say well a lab test is not fair because CO2 is in 50,000 feet of atmosphere and the CO2 cause reflective layers.

[werecow2003]

@MissingGWdotcom We've been over this before. The atmosphere has rather a larger extent than the instrument used in a lab experiment. Every instrument-sized piece of atmosphere has the same number of CO2 atoms working their magic as your instrument. The suggestion that a 100ppm increase in concentration across such a small range should show the same effect as expected to occur for the same increase over the entire column of the atmosphere is preposterous.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@werecow2003 Great as soon as you can get some reproducible proof a 100 parts per million increase in CO2 has any effect other than the IPCCS unproven IR theory and incomplete models that have not been able to predict anything, let me know.

Until then know your belief in man made global warming is just that an unproven belief, you took the big leap of faith. But hay it is a free country believe in whatever you want, me I need proof other than unproven theories and BS models.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@MissingGWdotcom Here is what is preposterous the IPCC claims in their 4th report that the value of IR is .5 degrees C for 100 ppm because it claims it cannot explain the current temperature change so it all must be man so the value is .5 degrees C for 100ppm. Holy crap, what a scam you call that science a theory based something you cannot explain?

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom

US Office of Science Technology Policy

US National Climatic Data Center

US Department of Commerce

US National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service

The National Academy of Engineering

The Institute of Medicine

UK Natural Environment Research

Council Office of Science and Technology Policy

[deskset24]

@MissingGWdotcom

Council on Environmental Quality National Economic Council

The National Academy of Engineering

The Institute of Medicine

UK Natural Environment Research Council

Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology Engineers

Australia American Chemical Society

The Weather Channel

National Geographic

[MissingGWdotcom]

@MissingGWdotcom Meantime the IPCC ignores thousands of temperature changes ranging 3 degrees C in as little as 200 years since just the last ice age 11,000 yrs ago. What a scam!!!

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom Spamming this site with psuedo-scientific drivel does not change the properties of CO2.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 Too bad and what you dont get is CO2 is a greenhouse gas but you need a lot of it, a .01% increase is nothing and has not effect on temperture. Hay go read the IPCC report for yourself.

I love asking believers what part of the science convinces them man made global warming is true, I love the blank stare then they will splat out "well all scientist say it is true", LOLOLOLOL, make me roll on the floor!!!!

Believers dont even know what it is they believe in, lololol

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom The radiative forcing effect of CO2 has been known since Fourier predicted it in 1924 while he was inventing spectral analysis. The formula (for the troposphere) is RF = 5.35*ln(C2/C1), or 3.71 W/sq m for a doubling of CO2 concentration. Do the math, no "belief" required.

Disclaimer: I've seen your web site, it's pointless debating with someone like you who worships politics to such an extent that they deny any and all natural phenomena that does not fit their ideology.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 The value of RF is completely up for debate, not even the IPCC can agree on a value. The current level of radiative forcing, according to the IPCC AR4, is 1.6 watts per square meter (with a range of uncertainty from 0.6 to 2.4). Lets say at the most is if .2 degree F per 100 ppm of CO2, this is nothing and has little effect on a natural temp oscillation of 3 degrees C in as little as 200 years.

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom Your pants are on fire.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 Ah darn I thought you were going to say something wise. I love how unknowledgable man made global warming believers are, they ddont even know what it is they are believing in. ROTF. Your just another example.

[GRO5002]

@MissingGWdotcom You sir are the funniest joke I've seen in some time. I myself do not believe in AGW, there is no need for belief when one observes it daily. You are naive in suggesting that CO2 is the the only significant human contribution to the Earths climate. And saying the IPCC couldn't decide on a value for RF, then providing the value they decided on is just hilarious. I don't even have to try to counter your argument, you did it for me.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@GRO5002 Oh you observe it daily, I see you see cars driving around and so it must be man, now that is a foolish joke. Funny what where you seeing when fires were burning across the globe before man was out there managing the forest. “the Indonesia fires 1999 Fires made a significant contribution to the greenhouse effect - accounting for 40 percent of annual global greenhouse gas emissions," said Dr. Dean Graetz of the Australian Commonwealth Scientific

[MissingGWdotcom]

@GRO5002 jHay how about some real proof co2 or any substance has an effect? Have you ever read the ipccs 4th report? This is the officail argument today, but funny they claim the current temp change must be man because they cant explain it then have the nerve to say their job is not to explain natural temp change, this is funny!!! Yes you are right other gases have an effect like aerosols but these are known to drive temp down not up, and was the claim 30 yrs ago when they predicted an ice age!

[MissingGWdotcom]

@GRO5002 Oh and they were wrong on the ice age an effect. funny the mode;s basicaly was 100 pmm co2 has changed the temp where it is in run away and never show temp dropping, so according to ipcc models were are screwed from this 100 ppm increase in co2 and there is nothing we can do. But then again these models can show why the NH was 1 degree C higher 1000 years ago, 2 degree C 2000 yrs ago and 3 degrees C higher 3300 years ago with several ups and downs in between,

[MissingGWdotcom]

@GRO5002 Nor more important can these models show why the temp went down in the past, look believe in man made warming all you want but know it is based on an unproven rf theory and bs incomplete positive loopback baised models that just missed the last 10 years! Believe away but us non believers need real proof not bs and if you have any do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!

[Tapecutter59]

@MissingGWdotcom I know what I believe, I believe you are a liar and a right wing ideologue, and it's not the blind faith type belief, there is plenty of evidence in your spam to back up the claim. There is no point debating a liar or asking an ideologue to question his own dogma.

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 LOL, You dont even know what you believe in, it is a crack up all these believers but they have no clue what they believe in much less be able to argue it. If you do educate yourself on the topic you will find the more you dig the more BS it is. A 100 ppm increase in co2 has little to no effect on a temp the naturaly oscillates 3 degrees C in as little as 200 years, the ice cores show this has happened 100s of times since just the last ice age,

[MissingGWdotcom]

@Tapecutter59 It is the left with a politacal agenda to use bad science to shove their silly greenness down our throats. Hay when is Al Gore going to debate anyone? And he sure has shut up the last couple of years. Even the father of global warming Dr. Revelle and Al Gore’s mentor had second thoughts before dying. Google it.

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@MissingGWdotcom You can't help telling fibs can you. Revelle was not the "father of global warming" that would be Arrhenius (1896). Revelle was tricked into putting his name to the article by Fred Singer, a well known pro-tabacoo, anti-AGW lobbyist. Can't you come up with more recent dis-information than that?

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@Tapecutter59 @MissingGWdotcom 1991 Revelle teamed up with Chauncey Starr, founding director of the Electric Power Research Institute and Fred Singer. They urged more research and begged scientists and governments not to move too fast to curb greenhouse CO2 emissions because the true impact of carbon dioxide was not at all certain and curbing the use of fossil fuels could have a huge negative impact. Revelle was considerably more certain than Singer was at the time that CO2 was not a problem.

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@Tapecutter59 Funny I love how people like you dont argue the science instead you try to destroy anyone credibility who is against it, really a sad tatic.

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@MissingGWdotcom There is nobody credible who disputes AGW, just as there is nobody credible who disputes evolution or gravity. If there was such a person for any of these things then science would change it's theories to fit the new evidence and the discoverer would collect their nobel prize. It's simple, all you have to do is show that spectral analysis and it's quantam mechanical explaination are wrong. But political ideoligists such as yourself don't want to play that game, you'd rather lie.

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@Tapecutter59 LOL no one credible, oh dont you love the left and how facts disturb them. Not even the IPCC knows the value but with hocus pocus conclude it must be man because they cant explain but the cant explain any past temp rise or fall, nice nor do they even try.

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@MissingGWdotcom There is nothing in my comments to indicate my political leanings, you have put me on the left because you think climate science is a partisan issue. That is your whole problem, you see everything thru you neocon glasses and then project that trait onto others.

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@Tapecutter59 Good not only do you not know about what you beleive in in man made global warming you dont even know what you are as you call others neocons, I am not a neocon, I want to know the truth unlike you and unlike you I have been looking at this for 30 years and have found it to all be of holes and fueled by a leftest political view who cares little for truth of the science. Oh and I thought they were the smart ones, LMAO!!!!!!

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@Tapecutter59 Yes, I liked how you try to discredit Dr Carter but have you actual read R M Carter paper entitled Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate? How about this, how about we go through each of his points and actualy debate what he is saying? Funny the believers refuse to debate as they just call non believers Nazis who have been begging for a debate or court hearing. Hay you never answer me, when is Al baby going to debate? Probaly not soon since he got most the crap in his movie wrong!

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@Tapecutter59 Come on you can tell me, you bought Al Gores movie hook line and sinker, come on admit it. Hell lets debate the points in his very inaccurate movie.

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@MissingGWdotcom I have followed the science for 30yrs, I have never seen Al Gore's movie, I knew what would be in it before it was released because it's basically a slide show of the IPCC reports. IPCC members who saw the movie gave it good reviews. You are fixated on Gore because you cannot seperate science from politics.

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@Tapecutter59 Really, well u tube it and watch and after that read the ippcs report chap 1,6, and 9 then maybe you can understand what it is you believe in. Really you cant even pay attention to Al Gores movie and you think you understand this debate, lololol. You are like a typical niave believer. I love the blank stare from a believer when I ask them waht part of the science convinces them man made global warming is true, you are no different. You cant debate facts so u try to slam nonbelivers

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@Tapecutter59 You cant get the basic issue on Al Gore, when is your side going to debate or enter into a court case on all this? They wont because they will get their ass kicked. Does it not bother you the believers refuse to debate? How do you explain, instead Al Gore calls people Nazis

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@Tapecutter59 Check out the book the Deniers which includes opinion man made Global Warming is BS including Edward Wegman, Richard Tol, Christopher Landsea, Duncan Wingham, Robert M. Carter, Richard Lindzen, Vincent R. Gray, Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Tom Segalstad, Nir Shaviv, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Hendrik Tennekes, Freeman Dyson, Antonino Zichichi, David Bromwich, Eigil Friis-Christensen,

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@Tapecutter59 Great paper by R M Carter entitled Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate

“Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results.

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@Tapecutter59 And RF and BS incomplete models cant rwproduce anything! I believe the administrator of NASA Michael D. summed it up by stating “Unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical”.

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@Tapecutter59 There are articles against AGW from everyone from Edward Wegman, Richard Tol, Christopher Landsea, Duncan Wingham, Robert M. Carter, Richard Lindzen, Vincent R. Gray, Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Tom Segalstad, Nir Shaviv, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Hendrik Tennekes, Freeman Dyson, Antonino Zichichi, David Bromwich, Eigil Friis-Christensen,

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@MissingGWdotcom Many of the people you list do not deny AGW, they mearly dispute the level of warming. Others such as Carter who you mention above are liars who mearly hope people won't notice the difference between the stratosphere and the troposphere. If the cosmic ray theory that most of these people advocate had any merit then there would be an 11yr cycle in temprature that coincides with the sun's cycle. No such temprature cycle has been found.

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@Tapecutter59 Sure lets say the warming is .2 degrees F, this is nothing in a system where the temp naturally oscilates 3 degrees C. But the thing is cant prove it such a low value or nothing at all for that matter from a 100 parts per million increase in CO2, Do you even understand how little 100 ppm is? it is a .01% increase. Oh sure there are plenty of cycles with the sun mostly relate to increase in sun spots, but because sun spots vary thie results can very.

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@Tapecutter59 There is much more proof sun spots play an effect like little ice age where there were no sun spots for decades, but then again the IPCC states it is their mission to ignore past temp changes much less explain, this is a misjustice to man kind. Now interesting their were no sun spots last year and many claim temp drop a few tenths while other acknoledge it did not go up. Hay would it not be smart to explain the 100s of massive and quick temp change seen during the last 11,000 yrs?

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@Tapecutter59 If you look at the ice cores like GISP you will see the temp average about 1.5 degrees C higher in the NH than today during the last 11,000 years. What is even more interesting as you look at the 80,000 years of data during the last ice age the same 3 degress C (not F) oscillation is seen as well. Oh but all ignored and todays models are uncapable of modeling these past changes. So deny and discredit these people all you want but it is all you have, another very sad fact.

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@Tapecutter59 Funny the IPCC big global warming expert is Dr Mann, but he studies tree rings and as we seen. The Climategate emails show this as they want to beat up change the review process to keep Steve McIntyre's work from getting out showing Michael Mann's hockey stick work was complete mess and BS. Mann could not give him any of the original data and the work he did get was full of flaws, info in the wrong columns and data just repeating for no reason, etc.

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@Tapecutter59 So here we have Dr Mann, the great global warming expert but all he studies is damn trees not models, corel reefs, animal populations, ocean currents, past societies, ice cores, CO2, temperture readings, on and on. But he puts a inaccurate hockey stick then makes the amazing claim will CO2 went up 100 pppm in the same time so it must be the cause, and your side bought this hook line and sinker how funny. Now you are unto an unproven RF and BS models that cant predict anything

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@Tapecutter59 and I know in each report the IPCC tries to reduce the suns effect without any proof and ignoring the proof that is growing in this area, nice. Like the NASA head said this is not about the techincal argument but a political argument as the left makes a political agenda from it.

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@Tapecutter59 Just one example how your side cooks the books, recently leaked emails of all the temperature data from New Zealand was manipulated by the IPCC, data claiming things had changed like the enclosure the weather station being painted with a new paint so the temp is now off a bit, so the IPCC adjust it on their own. However the found original data shows no temp increase the last 30 years in New Zealand, but the cooked IPCC data does, go figure.

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@Tapecutter59 Oh then the IPCC's CRU just lost all the original temp data taken for years and none of their work or data can be verified, good job there. Meantime data that was not lost shows the IPCC cooked the books in places like NZ, all for politics not truth in science. And this is the side you defend, sad. Some day like be when I was 18 believeing in an ice age hook line an sinker I started asking questions and now see all the BS science the left states but cant or will no defend, sad,

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@MissingGWdotcom Note In 1988 Roger Revelle was having major second thoughts about whether carbon dioxide was a significant greenhouse gas. He wrote letters to two Congressmen about it. And in 1991 he co-authored a report for the new science magazine Cosmos in which he expressed his strong doubts about global warming and urged more research before any remedial action was taken. So wheres YOUR proof for man made global warming if you reject RF and bs models?

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1991 Revelle teamed up with Chauncey Starr, founding director of the Electric Power Research Institute and Fred Singer. They urged more research and begged scientists and governments not to move too fast to curb greenhouse CO2 emissions because the true impact of carbon dioxide was not at all certain and curbing the use of fossil fuels could have a huge negative impact. Revelle was considerably more certain than Singer was at the time that carbon dioxide was not a problem.

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@Tapecutter59 Robert M. "Bob" Carter is a research professor in the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, Australia. He is a geologist and marine geologist with special interests in stratigraphy and, more recently, climate change.

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@MissingGWdotcom Carter is a founding member of the Australian Environment Foundation, a front group set up by the right wing think tank Institute of Public Affairs. He is also closely affiliated with the Heartland Institute. He is an expert propogandist, the last time I read any of his stuff he was deliberately conflating stratosphereic and tropospheric data sets.

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@Tapecutter59 So what is the problem, and your guys left guys are in left think tanks so what. The point is what they are saying, but I know the left is all intob destroying anyone from the right, yawn, and america is so tired of it. So lets debate what he is saying paragrapgh by paragragh. Are you a chicken shit? Lets look at the words understand the points from both sides. Hell I read the ipcc report and see Al Gores movie, you nothing, lolololol. You dont even know what is is you believe in

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@Tapecutter59 You dont even know what you beleive in much less understand the questions about those believes. It is sad but you are like most believers.

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@MissingGWdotcom Which "Left think tanks" are you refering to, NAS, NASA, NOAA, the royal society, CSIRO, countelss universities, the WMO, the MET office? And BTW I don't have your fetish for Al Gore, I'm not American, he is not a scientist he is simply repeating the claims in the IPCC report. Given the misrepresentations you have made of the IPCC in other posts It's obvious you're lying when you claim to have read them.

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@Tapecutter59Oh ok so you are a chicken shit to debate the science. You don’t want to debate Al Gore’s movie, Carters paper or the IPCCs owns words. You don’t want to debate the science no instead you want to give those credit you think you agree with while (not even knowing what it is you agree with, lol) discrediting those who do not. Oh yawn, this is getting boring but ok lets look at your groups. First as far as I can find the CSIRO mission is to........

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@Tapecutter59 CSIRO is to providing ways to help Australia in economic and social performance of a number of industry. Under Ian Clunies Ross as chairman, CSIRO pursued new areas such as radioastronomy and industrial chemistry. So? When did they prove man made global warming and if so do tell.

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@Tapecutter59 NASA, lolol under Bush NASA was very good at asking question but under Obama people not believing in man made glabal warming have been purged like Michael D. who said “Unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical”. FIRED. This will change back once Obama is gone in 2 years.

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@Tapecutter59 I used to love the NOAA under Bush. Before Omama you would find many fair great articles about global warming. For example NOAA used to say that parts of N Amer had warmed the last 20 yrs while others coold and they did not know why, They use to admit they could not tell if the earth was warming or not because the did not have any data from every point of earth including in the oceans and athmosphere but that data did not exist but satillites were helping some but lacking

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@Tapecutter59 NASA did say they felt the earth was warming because glaciers were melting but that has been going on since last ice age, they use say how CO2 in ice cores is very affected by things like chlorine, allege, acid. There use to be great articles but now the NOAA has lost credibility under Obama as now they repeat the IPCC telling us about all the doom and gloom that might, maybe, could come, nice. NASA also will change back once Obama is gone, u really dont know USA politics do you?

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@Tapecutter59 Oh and you need to add EPA to your list as Obama has greatly increased their budget to push their left wing agenda on CO2. The WMO is a group directed by the UN to spread weath under the excuse of man made climate change. But that is what this is really all about, the left using groups like the WMO to take from the rich and give to the poor, mostly corrupt counties where just giving them money is a waiste. GO WMO, woooohoooo

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@Tapecutter59 LOLOL, the MET is about as far left for groups you can get or for that matter anything from England. What a joke, ok good luck with thoses, lolol. Now funny you dont mention the main one the CRU who has just been discredited manipulating data, wanting to beat those that disagree up, changing review processses and ignoring any thing or anyone not believing their RF and BS models hook line an sinker.

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@Tapecutter59 So grow up. The fact is left leaning groups have been far out spending those that dont believe, and despite all that money spent they still have no reproducable science that can prove a 100ppm increase in co2 has any effect on temp, so instead they discredit anyone showing other wise, it is sad. Grow up it does not matter how supports what the science and question about that science is the same, come on lets debate Carters words and ideas.

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@Tapecutter59 The good news is Americans are seeing the far lefts BS on climate change and are not only saying no but HELL no! The see their models not working, they see the bs in RF, they see left leaning groups like the almighty CRU and IPCC ignoring and manipulating data, then trying to cover it. The seeing their predction from 30 years ago claiming children would never see snow, the Platte river near my house drying up and kansas goung dry, oh an all the frogs are suppose to be dead, wrong

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@Tapecutter59 So the good news all this BS is being poved wrong as things like the the all mighty great incomplete positive loopbacked biased models just missed the last 10 years.

Really when are you going to debate the science here, I believe it is because you cant and just finding some paragragh on the internet that you copy and paste aint working. Really have some balls and tll us at least what part of the science you belive in on man made global warming?

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@Tapecutter59 OK I ll start off lets look at Carters first point. First he qoutes a few non believers who u need to work on destroying, lolol "I have been dismayed over the bogus science andmedia hype associated with the (dangerous)human-induced global warming hypothesis. My

innate sense of how the atmosphere-ocean functions does not allow me to accept these

scenarios. Observations and theory do notsupport these ideas. (Professor Emeritus William

Gray, Colorado State University, 2006.)

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@Tapecutter59 First he hits on what we are talking here, but I know cover your ears "Human-caused global warming has become the environmental cause celebre of the early 21st century. The strong warming alarmist camp currently includes the United Nations, most Western governments, most of the free press, many large corporations (including Enron, before it failed), the major churches, most scientific organisations and a large portion of general public opinion.......

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@Tapecutter59 .....This phalanx of support notwithstanding there is no scientific consensus as to the danger of human-induced climate change. There is, therefore, a strong conflict between the level of public alarm and its scientific justification. How can this be?

Ok so lets start there with his basic question, I know you are not into facts but a sheep that follows those that my guess feeds into some silly political view point you have, damn the facts and those that ask questions, lolololol

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@Tapecutter59 Really why wont you debat the dozens of points and question I have brought up about the science, why do you insisted on tearing those down that disagree, why are you so afraid of thier doubts and questions.

When will groups like the ipcc, cru and al gore debate?

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@Tapecutter59 Tell me what country are you from?

This is going be fun, let me guess you are a petty jealous english bloat that wished the queen still ruled the world? lololol

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@Tapecutter59 Oh note -On just one petition was signed by 9,021 American PhD's and 22,051 additional American scientists. You got a lot of discrediting to do.

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@MissingGWdotcom Interesting how you guys claim there is no such thing as scientific consensus but never fail to mention senator Inhofe's fake petition.

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@Tapecutter59 There you go again ignoring and refusing to debate the science and instead today attacking a Senator credibility. Have have you ever read Senator Inhofe' paper documenting the global warming cooling hoax since the 1800?. My guess is of course not, Well he cites wonderful articles like from the NY Times and others as about every 30 years they flip flop between a doom a gloom ice age to killer warming, back to an ice age and back again. It is excellebt, u willing to debate this?

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@MissingGWdotcom

Geological Society of London

Geological Society of America

UK Centre for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment

Pew Center on Global Climate Change

American Association for the Advancement of Science

National Research Council

Juelich Research Centre

US White House US Council on Environmental Quality

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@MissingGWdotcom

These organizations also agree with the consensus:

The Earth Institute at Columbia

University Northwestern University

University of Akureyri University of Iceland

Iceland GeoSurvey National Centre for Atmospheric Science

UK Climate Group Climate Institute Climate Trust

Wuppertal Institute for Climate Environment and Energy

Royal Meteorological Society Community

Research and Development Centre Nigeria

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This is known as IR theory but it is completely unproven and the value unknown. If you read the IPCC 4th report chap 1,6, and 9 in particular this is all laid out. They claim IR raises the temp a certain amount then they throw incomplete positive biased loopback models to claim an amplifying effect. The problem is the models just missed the last 10 years as temp stayed flat.

There is no direct reproducible proof a 100 ppm increase in CO2 has any effect on temp.

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The IPCC claims the current temp increase is man made because they cant explain it, but they ignore 10,000s of years of ice core data showing the temp naturally oscillates 3 degrees C in as little as 200 years. For example if you look at the GISP (Greenland ice core) you will see it was 1 degree higher in the NH 1000 years ago, 2 degrees C 2000 years ago and 3 degrees C higher 3300 years ago with many ups and downs in between these changes.

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The IPCC does try to use proxies (tree rings, coral reefs, etc) and 40 year filters to dampen the change seen in the ice cores the problem is the proxies are not that accurate after a 1000 years but even these proxies show a temp increase 1000 and 2000 years ago with higher temps than today.

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However the IPCC claims it is not their mission to explain past natural temp changes so they ignore it then have the nerve to claim the current temp increase must be man because they cant explain it, this is a disservice to mankind.