Again, "filioque" is part of Western heritage from way before the schism. St Sophronius was a Greek, and he felt a need for excusing "filioque" as about the temporal mission to the Church, but way before him, we have Sts Leo, Hilarius, Athanasius, who all testify to the truth, the one that Photius did not accept, and even you today accept them as Orthodox saints. Even Photius accepted St Augustine as a Saint ("ho en tois hagiois Aougoustinos" in his Vivliothiki/Bibliotheke)
OK, you count "filioque" as part of Heresy, right? Innovation in Spain, THIRD Council of Toledo, in opposition overdone, to Arianism?
Look here at a text from FIRST local Council of Toledo (396-400): sorry, cannot post link, so I will give you sth to look for on google: trentophilaret, filioque are two words that should set you exactly right.
We believe in one true God Father Son and Holy Ghost, maker of visible and invisible things, by whom all is created in Heaven and on Earth. This one God and one Trinity is of divine substance. The Father is not the Son, but hath a Son who is not tha Father. The Son is not the Father but the Son of God of the nature of the Father. There is also the Holy Ghost, who himself* is neither Father nor Son, but proceeding from the Father and the Son
@myself: and Pope St Leo I ordered this to be sent to a bishop that was absent. The First Council of Toledo was not against Arianism, but against Priscillianists. It was under Honorius and Arcadius.
But I hear, "not a religion", a "therapeutic system", that sounds SO Romanides, i e heresy.
-a He believes in a mitigated version of total depravity, i e negates the natural law
-b He thinks sin is a sickness and confessors must have a doctors approach, however, doctors unlike judges are insufficiently aware of calumny, of wrongful accusation, and often - esp. in psychiatry -insufficiently charitable about wanting cures to be as easy as can be
@masala505 Purify your body. Eat raw vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds. Stop eating filth. Your body and your consciousness will transform. You will become more reflective. You will see love, beauty, and goodness and you'll want to consolidate everything noble under a single name. What other name can there be but "God"? When you are healthy, not consuming animals or processed junk, you will turn inward. There you will see God. Of course you cannot see him while your lens is covered with grime.
@Silenus6 My body is pure - it needs to be as I am a runner. When I run I am transformed - living, breathing in the moment. I see love, beauty, and goodness, I also see horror, suffering and meaningless - this is life - it is many things. If you have found God then you need to keep meditating - our universe is greater than any god man can conceive of. The dark sound you hear is your deepest meditation is cold and empty - this is where our freedom dirives from - it's natural and not convieved.
"Wheresoever the Bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the Catholic Church."- St. Ignatius of Antioch
"We can say where the Church is; we cannot say where she is not."
-Metropolitan Kallistos (Ware) of Diokleia
If one can recognize where Christ is, then one can recognize where the Church is, even if it doesn't look like your Church. You who claim to be Orthodox, isn't it time to recognize where the Church is? Isn't it time to come together?
Well in Germany they are mostly Protestants... In France mostly Catholics... Yes we forgot how you were forcing people to be Catholics... LOL So barbaric.
The history of the Roman-Catholic "Church" is too filthy.And your teaching is wrong! So no unity! End of story! You keep practising your teaching and we will continue practising our teaching. And end of all stories... No need to unite,only if you guys do what we want of you! If you don't,then good luck to you,and leave us alone! Clear?
@3SRBIJACCCC Barbaric to force people to be Catholic? What about killing an Orthodox for becoming Catholic? I speak of St Josaphat Kunczevyc
If you think Catholic Church was accomplice to Jasenovac, sorry, that is not an honour for you, it is calumny. Its chief was not a Franciscan friar, but an ex-Franciscan thrown out of his order and excommunicated by Rome. And Cardinal Stepinac tried to help, though he did not speak up. He hid people. Had he spoken, his places would have been searched.
How can you call yourselves Orthodox when you do not follow the Word of God? I am Orthodox as I follow the Word of God alone! Does Paul not teach against men wearing a veil (head covering) while in prayer in 1 Corinthians 11? You are truly pagan! By the way, using leavened bread for communion is not appropriate!
@januk36 Oh Constantinople... Burned by western barbarians... and your Crusaders killed our Patriarch,and then you put the local whore on throne of Constantinople's Patriarchs just to humiliate Orthodox Church... And to have unity with the sick "Church" like yours?! Never!
@3SRBIJACCCC : You talk like an arab muslim. Yes, the sack was a tragedy but I suppose the byzantines have been the most loyal friends from the first moment on ? Think.
@januk36 I talk like Serb Orthodox,who also lost over one million because of NAZI Croats and their NAZI Catholic bishops.
Byzantines??? you mean Greeks? lol Well they asked for help to help them to return their old lands,but you just attacked to rob and burn. You started hate between Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem,when you killed almost everyone... And then you pulled back to your barbaric west,and Orthodox Christians had to pay your barbaric deeds.And that is why they are no more there.
@3SRBIJACCCC : Again, you don't show the least bit of self-criticism. Make anyone else responsible for you misery. French at Germans butchered each other by the millions and finally have decided to change the rule of the game and doing fairly well. If it lasts ? Who knows - but it's worth trying. Wouldn't you agree ?
@januk36 : ... and by the way - don't make the mistake to think that I'm anti-orthodox. I'm not...and as far as the Byzantines are concerned - they were Romans, not 'Greeks' - even if they spoke Greek.
@januk36 You're wrong! It may have been Roman citizens, but most were in the Greek race! Think that Roman rule was only in the military and political power! Before the Romans the area was Greek country. Even the place called Konstantinopolis (the city of Konstantin the great & king of Byzantin empire) , Byzantium, founded by Megara in Attica in 658 BC.
@4anuvis4 : I'm aware of that. Still they were romans first and foremost, with all the greek heritage you pointed out. Similar to americans, australians and canadians. British in origin but developing more and more an idenitity of their own as times passes.
@3SRBIJACCCC Yes. If you were hiding 7000 people, trying to save them from murderers in the régime, would you refuse to shake hands with régime or would you prefer diplomacy?
I mean, Tikhon never ever shook hands with Communists in Russia, right?
Also, ask yourself if handshakes when filmed were from before or after Stepinac knew Pavelic helped running Jasenovac. How do you tell that from a film?
@hglundahl Stipenac was a bishop who led NAZI RomanCatholic priests who were converting Orthodox Serbs, and those who refuse, they'd send them to Jasenovac.
@3SRBIJACCCC That is what Russian Communists wanted you to believe, then Stepinac was slowly martyred for years in Yugoslavia.
What is your evidence that HE or the PRIESTS sent even ONE Orthodox priest refusing Catholicism to Jasenovac?
In the biography of Nicolas Velimirovic it says Stepinac told him he was not wanted there, a few days before he was made prisoner. That is no evidence Stepinac was a traitor. He might have been trying to warn.
@hglundahl Baahahahah, LOL What the hell Russian communists wanted of us to think in Yugoslavia. Ahahaha
Nikolai Velimirovic spent 4 years in Dalhau NAZI camp, and then he was a victim of Yugoslav communists, he died as a saint while serving divine Liturgy.
Stipenac was one more NAZI maniac who's only role was to destroy Orthodox population.
@3SRBIJACCCC Yes, what the Russian Communists wanted you to think. You have been under Communist rule, you know. Stepinac was put in prison for standing up for Catholic schools, independent from Communist régime. Again, there is no real evidence he was guilty of betraying Velimirovic, and it is certain that he hid lots of Serbs, Roms, maybe Jews (if there were any in the area) from Pavelic's men.
@hglundahl He punished none RomanCatholic cleric for torturing and converting Serbs by force. He was punished by communist regime for being NAZI. And communists wanted of us not to believe in God, and Russian communists had smarter things to do then Stipenac's popularity... Maybe you are trying to say Yugoslav communists, but you too uneducated for that.
Roman-Catholic Church is NAZI, rapist, pedophilia "Church" and all Orthodox and Protestant Christians hate it.
@3SRBIJACCCC The "clerics" that tortured Orthodox priests or any other Orthodox in Jasenovac were no longer clerics. They were already punished for being too Ustashi. That was, among others, the case with the ex-Franciscan that headed Jasenovac.
It is true that Yugoslav Communism took an independent view on some things eventually, but back in the time of Bleiburg massacre on Croats, they did take orders from Moscow.
@3SRBIJACCCC As for Roman Catholic Church being a Nazi Church, that is a damned lie, and you believing it shows your indoctrination from Communists.
All cases of abuse of minors are after Vatican II, that I know of. Before that, any priest or minor cleric who even touched a bottom of a boy got out of his clerical frock very quickly.
It is a punishment for a very recent alliance with psychiatry or with child welfare - or both - if these scandals have happened.
@3SRBIJACCCC Now as to "all Orthodox and Protestant Christians hate it" - also untrue. I was a Lutheran, and I did not hate Catholic Church, and some who did not do so either are still Lutheran. I was a Roumanian Orthodox - they might say I was not, since I believed the filioque, but I was with them - and I did not hate the Catholic Church, and some who still are Roumanian Orthodox do not do so either. Hate and prejudice are bad ways of dealing with most things.
@hglundahl "Forgive to your personal enemies, but hate and flee from the enemy of the Christ's Church". Roman-Catholic "Church" is an enemy of One True Apostolic Orthodox Church (Christ's Church).
@3SRBIJACCCC When did it become so? Arians became so when Arius blasphemed, and the are gone. They have been revived twice or three times, first by uncle and nephew Sozzini, unless you count Mohamet also as an Arian revival, then by Charles Taze Russell. Luther, Zwingli, Oecolampadius became so in the same year as the Sozzinis and Münzer: they have split up and most Protestants are Atheists or even Buddhists. A few years before 325 for Arius. 1517 for Luther and Zwingli. What year for RC, by U?
@3SRBIJACCCC A Sedisvacantist would of course say the last Popes became enemies of Christ after the death of Pope Pius XII. Some say cardinal Siri was already elected Pope before John XXIII was elected anti-Pope, others say he was so before Paul VI was elected anti-Pope. Some say Paul VI was a true pope, but John Paul I an anti-Pope, the Apostolic See being tranferred to Palmar de Troya, a village outside Sevilla. I was with those guys for 14 months. Sedevacantists agree on period 1950-90. & U?
@3SRBIJACCCC Are you saying Franks invented Filioque, when it was believed by St Hilarius before the Franks conquered Gaul? Are you saying the III Council of Toledo added Filioque to the Nicene Creed with thoughtless innovation in the sixth century, when the I Council of Toledo stated a rule of faith including the word filioque just before 400, under Emperors Honorius and Arcadius? Are you saying that denial of "uncreated energies" is heresy, when Pope Leo I came close to condemning them?
@3SRBIJACCCC If so, why was St Athanasius wrong? Why was St Hilarius wrong? Why were all the Bishops of Spain and Portugal wrong, not under the Visigothic persecution, but when debating about the heretic Priscillian and his followers, under perfectly Roman rule? Why was Pope Leo I wrong, of whom the Council of Ephesus would say "Peter hath spoken through Leo"? These are all older than your Photius, and they all believed the filioque! I believe them, they are Church Fathers.
Are we to accept the " common ground" philosophy with the heterodox, or stress the richness in Orthodox Theology? On one hand we make the statement that the Orthodox Church is the True Faith, On the other hand, we compromise the traditions, water thing s down, and persist in dialogue with the heterodox. The Traditions of the Church and the examples of the Holy Fathers teach us that the Church holds no dialogue with those who have separated themselves from Orthodoxy.
The Eastern Patriarchs need to get together to solve our own problems, such as the jurisdictional dilemmas. Union with all the Orthodox Churches should come first, so that peace and love will exist among the Eastern Orthodox Churches. Then let's contemplate union with the other confessions, and only if they sincerely desire to embrace Orthodox Dogmas and Traditions.
@vasilyjc1955 It is a shame that certain Orthodox continue to blindly pursue dialogue with the Catholic Church, delusional in their thinking that something positive will take place. These dialogues with the Catholic Church have been pursued for many years with absolutely no results. Can one seriously think that the Vatican will change? Why be indifferent to this political ecumenism and persistently avoid these truths?
@vasilyjc1955 : I can't be specific as it depends on the people speaking. Some for instance may criticize that the pope ask priests not to marry. I don't agree with that policy but then again - the pope is the leader and you either accept his rules or leave the church. I left - there are alternatives.
I was raised Roman Catholic and ordained as a Protestant Minister. I agree with what is being said here by this Priest. (His name?) We went into each other Churches and prayed together much too quickly. It would have been better to have an ecumenical movement that focused on discussion and perhaps limited local cooperation on issues of social concern, i.e. homelessness, etc. The ecumenical movement put the proverbial cart before the horse. Well intentioned, but the differences are real.
I'm a traditionalist roman catholic, and I say, the monk is RIGHT.
Ecumenism is an heresy. All Popes condemned it. Than we had the tragedy of the Vatican II: the holy liturgy was destroyed, the Doctrine perverted, the church embraced ecumenism with heretics (protestants), pagans (buddists, muslims) and jews: we're good, you're good, everybody's good.
Traditionalist catholics had to leave this circus.. And follow Mgr. Lefebvre.
May God preserve the Orthodox Church untouched by all modern shits.
I've been recuperating from illness these past few days and decided to search for videos that would cheer me up and inspire me. All I've found is name calling and accusations. The Orthodox and Catholic people both say theirs is the "true church". Which is it? The Baptists say theirs is because they're not bogged down in idolatry. Don't Christians have anything nice to say about each other? So much negativity. My head is spinning.
@isabellibrizzi Only four basic confessions have any claim on being the Christian Church: Catholics, Orthodox, Monophysites, Nestorians. These can each claim with some fairness, though not necessarily truth for all, to have continuity before the brake. Protestants cannot. They say they restored, but according to end of Matthew, there can be no such need for restoration. Since visible Church cannot ever have been destroyed in the first place.
There is absolutely nothing christian or original about the "Orthodox" Church. The primitive early church was highly variegated and had none of the ritualistic mumbo-jumbo elements imposed later by Nicean pharisees. Orthodox theology is an anti-christian dead end. Dogmatism of the most boring stripe. Also, why can't these guys just dress normally? May God have mercy on the "Orthodox" Church.
The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
Every church claims to be the "true church". The fact Orthodoxy is HISTORICALLY the "oldest church" doesn't mean its doctrines are the right ones today. Before Christ came to earth the Jewish WERE the chosen ones (Old Testament says so) but they did not obey HIM so they STOPPED being the chosen ones. Being the chosen ones two thousand years ago doesn't mean you are still the chosen ones. The true church obeys the LAW OF GOD and is preparing to the Second Coming of Christ. Find that church.
@eagletv1 First of all, Jesus's first disciples, and I am referring to the Apostles, they were all Jews. Lord Jesus Himself said that He didn't came to break the Jews belief and traditions, but to accomplish it and to transform it.
Also, because of God's love for human being His revelation was spread to others, it didn't stopped the fact that the Jews are still being the chosen ones.
@eagletv1 2: God promised to the Patriarchs that they will be the parents of a chosen nation and He never took the words back or set a time limit for such a fact. Of course, only those who trusted His words and worshiped Him as the true God can hope for their salvation.
But even for those among them who are not converted yet, the prophecies are talking about their offspring who will mass convert to the Christianity before the apocalyptic days. So, they still have their role in God's plan.
@eagletv1 3.And another thing: from an Orthodox perspective, there is only one Church, which is the Orthodox Church. In this sense, all the other so-called churches should be seen by orthodox Christians as "institutions", "sects", "cults", "denominations".
@eagletv1 4. And at last, about the continuity argument: its written in the Bible: as God can create true Abraham's sons from rocks, it's in His powers to create true believers out of nothing. But He taught us to love each other in His words, and so we should walk together the path towards salvation (those who can walk to help and protect the weakest, and those who can't do it to abase and to let others help them).
Exactly my point! God loves us all. Jesus came to save every human being who believes in him and wants to obey him. Looking for God's will in his word and trying to understand what He really wants for us should not be tied to a certain denomination, but a true will to obey Him. The orthodox church is not following God's Word. The question should be: do you reserve a time in the day to get to know your God better? Salvation is personal, regardless of religious denomination.
@eagletv1 You got it right up to a point. Ask yourself a question: how your mind/conscience was formed? was it as a result of a direct intervention of God, or you evolved through learning from others, building a decision making model and using it? Since your mind was highly "made" by others (which were also "made" by their teachers) as we are social beings, same logic should be applied when referring to the God's Word and where it can be found in its purest form. God bless!
The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
May God guide you in every single decision you make in preparation to his Second Coming in glory and Majesty. He is coming soon, and we will spend our days from sabbath to sabbath "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain." Isaiah 66:22
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:23
@eagletv1 Jews apostasised when rejecting Christ before Pilate, just as Samarians had apostasised by rejecting the son of Solomon, grandson of King David. Nevertheless, a remnant of them did join the Church between Pentecost and destruction of Jerusalem, and Christian Palestianians descend from them as much as from Samarian, Galilean, Edomite, Moabite, Ammonite Christians. Matthew ends with a promise the Church cannot get lost either.
The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
The "true" church?!!LOL. "Orthodoxy" IS the true church, and defined as "Christianity as it was handed down by the Apostles". It's also funny that you call for unity, but by the false understanding of "Catholicism" as the "true" church.
While Catholicism has a sickening problem with pedophilia..Orthodox priests marry, and have normal families. While Catholicism speak endlessly of hellfire and damnation..Orthodoxy speak of the true GOD of Christianity, which and compassionate and forgiving. While Catholics stay in bad marriages, rather than divorce, Orthodoxy makes exceptions if it's not a healthy unity. PERIOD.
@Vasilis719 We are so mired in our traditions, and the world is so confusing and corrupt, can any of us really know what Jesus taught? Every church claims apostolic succession, or some such thing. But how are we to know? We see Christ, and commune with Him in our hearts only to the extent that we are holy. Therefore, to have a perfect understanding of his teaching, we would have to be exactly like him. But even the saints seem to have fallen short of the majesty of Christ. Only love is certain.
The very term "Orthodox", means "the right way". "Catholic", means "everyone" and "everything"..both being Greek words. While Catholicism has the Pope as Christs representative(clear heresy), have idols(statues), and celebrate Easter with no regard to Passover(which Christianity is the fullfillment of the old testament) as it happened in the Bible, and have a sickeneing problem with pedophilia..
Orthodox Christianity has a "Patriarch" who is a spiritual leader; as NO ONE can be a representative of Christ, but CHRIST..we have "Iconography" as spiritual art, not as the "idolotrous" nature of statues(like Zeus, Apollo, etc...which the Greeks gave up in conversion), and we treat Easter as the final word and act of the Judeo-Christian GOD.
The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
"The Moscow Patriarchate was established on the orders of Stalin in 1943 as a front organization of NKVD and later the KGB. All key positions in the Church including bishops were approved by the Ideological Department of CPSU and by the KGB. The priests were used as agents of influence in the World Council of Churches and front organizations, such as World Peace Council, Christian Peace Conference, and the Rodina ("Motherland") Society founded by the KGB in 1975." Mitrokhin Archive - deny it!
We are facing the end days, again you blind yourself to your own but prop up what the Orthodox does, according to you and your limited understanding. Thats ok, i understand whats happening to you are baby in faith and can not tolerate Solid food and starts to choke and become uncomfortable with it and spits it out just like you do and you come out with these shallow excuses.
We are to judge Doctrine, not men!
If i go by your way of life i wouldnt follow Christ because of Judas?
There are men that may claim they are Orthodox act as Orthodox but are they in control of Orthodox? No! We dont have a universal pope but Christ. The Truth and the Faithful continue regardless what others do!
God will Judge not you. So after showing me your limited spiritual maturity. Are they walking according to the teachings of the Church? Regarding the Monks fighting in the Holy Sepulchre. It was two Armenian Monks that were arrested for initating a violent confrontation.
The Patriarchate of Moscow, knowing the issues surrounding itself due to the KGB and Soviet government, deemed the OCA (Orthodox Church of America) autocesphalus, and ROCOR was formed (Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia), BOTH of whom exist in America.
Yet your friend says that b/c I am from America I have a 'watered' down version. The truth is Orthodoxy exists in it's purest form in both these organizations. They are no less Orthodox than Constantinople or Antioch.
"Leonida Pop, who was stripped of his priesthood in 1970s under Securitate's pressure due to his views and who subsequently fled to West Germany told the BBC that many of leaders of the Church would not be strangers to collaboration with the Securitate as during the Communist regime it was not possible to advance in the Church hirarchy without the consent of and collaboration with the Securitate. "I know a few Bishops, both former and present, which were devoted servants of the Securitate"".
"Under Belarus' restrictive 2002 Religion Law, which was strongly backed by the Belarusian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), state registration is compulsory for all religious communities and unregistered religious activity is illegal against international human rights standards." Please justify this, Orthodox people......
"The Bulgarian Orthodox Church and the Communist Party coexisted in a closely symbiotic partnership, in which each supported the other. The party supported the elevation of the exarchate to the rank of patriarchate in May 1953. The 1970 commemoration served to recall that the exarchate included Macedonia and Thrace in addition to present-day Bulgaria. Thus the Bulgarian Orthodox Church does not recognize the autocephaly of the Macedonian Orthodox Church".
"Orthodox clergymen consistently supported the Ceauşescu régime's foreign policy, refrained from criticism of domestic policy, and upheld the line against the Hungarians (over Transylvania). Two bishops even sat in the National Assembly. The church maintained its silence when 24 historic Bucharest churches were demolished. Bishop Corneanu, Metropolitan of Banat, admitted his efforts on the behalf of the Communist Party, and denounced clergy activity with the Communists, including his own".
Don't you just love the Orthodox? "Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion. Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded kicks and punches at the shrine".
"Greek politics...have affected attempts to build unity among...Orthodox jurisdictions...In 1994, an unprecedented conference of American bishops called for the birth of a true American Orthodox church. But Bartholomew crushed the effort. A ranking prelate [said] that it's time for Orthodoxy to stop being a "tribal," "ghetto" faith which "live in a way which gives priority to cultural and ethnic loyalties," said Metropolitan Theodosius of...the Orthodox Church in America". Orthodoxy in action!
"Last winter, a Palestinian seminarian punched a Greek priest after refusing repeated sexual advances during a dormitory party. The faculty disciplinary committee investigated and urged expulsion for the Greek. Instead, Archbishop Spyridon of America deposed the school president and fired 3 faculty members on the disciplinary panel. Many screamed "cover-up" and Greek-American newspapers have carried reports about a powerful clique of homosexual priests and monks close to the hierarchy"
Can the people respect the clergy when they hear how one priest stole money from below the pillow of a dying man at the moment of confession, how another was publicly dragged out of a house of ill-fame, how a third christened a dog? Is it possible for the people to respect priests who spend their time in the gin-shop...fight with the cross in their hands, and abuse each other with bad language at the altar? RUSSIA, APPLETONS JOURNAL, JAN-JUNE 1877
"The people shun the clergy, and have recourse to them not from the inner impulse of conscience, but from necessity. . . . And why do the people not respect the clergy? Because it...does not introduce into the life of the people the teaching of the Spirit, but remains in the mere dead forms of outward ceremonial...the clergy itself continually presents examples of want of respect to religion, and transforms the service of God into a profitable trade" RUSSIA, APPLETONS JOURNAL, JAN-JUNE 1877
I'm Greek and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Russian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Serbian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Rumanian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Albanian and I declare anathema on you. What sick shameful perversions of Christianity you are, with your ridiculous backward ethnic chauvinisms based purely on Balkan tribalisms. Yet this is your "Tradition" in action! Wonderful model. No wonder millions are fleeing such evil and becoming real Christains.
As I stated before Orthodoxy is one of the fastest growing religions in America, and I believe in the world today. People are not fleeing it.
Want to know the truth? People are fleeing protestant / evangelical Christianity, the Christianity of Luther, Calvin and Wellesley, because there is no Spirituality there, there is no education on suffering and bearing suffering and curtailing the passions.
It is ironic listening to a heretic rant about true Christianity
So you who call others little boy and your experience of Orthodoxy shows your rebellion against the Truth but thats your loss! You think you know Christ, i can tell you have NO IDEA of the Truth or the teachings of the Ancient Church. Run with your falseness but make one Quote from the Holy Bible, that supports your case?
This is where you will flee like alittle boy.
Romania is not the heart of Orthodoxy and if they are in error?
His mercy is already upon me, unfortunately, you cannot righteously judge from in the back of a computer...
So, if I stop and convince everyone that I'm following God, I'm a good girl, I'm reading my bible evryday, I'm a mother, wife, friend, mentor, I'm a medical professional that saves ppl's lives, go to church etc....I will run out of time...
I learned long ago that you cannot please everybody, nor should you try to...
Especially when you had only seen one aspect of their life, as bad as that might be..
So, I'm content knowing that I'm at peace with the Lord, walk in His ways the best I can, but conscient of the fact that appart from Him I am nothing...
So, sometimes I ran my blabber mouth and one religious bully that knows nothing about me, butts in an exchange that I had with someone that I know, and challenges me to a bible "context"...like I'm gonna be one of his trophies...
NOT SO...
And if the world doeasn't like it...so be it..!!
I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED AND THAT HE IS ABLE TO KEEP THAT WHICH I ENTRUSTED IN HIM AGAINST THAT DAY...!!
Shame you look at this as a contest with trophies?
This is not the case. If you are bitter against the Church then thats your issue to sort out and choose the path you will to choose but take resposabilty. For if you insult one mans Faith, he has every right to express his stance, as i too have this right. This is an Orthodox site and if you dont want to be part of the Church then thats your choice but dont call names to those who choose to be part of it.
Some of what you say is true, I may have wanted to place you on my trophy wall
But I did not challenge you to a bible contest. I asked you to defend your statements that Orthodoxy is not Scriptural. That would lead to a discussion on the Bible, and inevitably would show that you have a misunderstanding of what you read
Why will you not defend yourself? To be afraid to defend them simply shows the invalidity of the statements made. Hence my over arching argument that you should just be quiet,
I have no idea why you believe I'm the religious bully when you're the one running your mouth off that Orthodoxy is un Biblical?? How does that make ME the religious bully?
And then you calling me a little boy from the US with a watered down version of Orthodoxy.... yeah I'm definitely the bully here!
Honey is a powerful tool and is used by many, eg Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, ect. For me i serve God in Spirit and Truth. That was given to us from the Holy Apostles 2000yrs ago and continued on to this very day. Not from what one man thinks it is? For there are many truths out there but they all cant be true? There is, One God, One Truth. So for one to claim they have the Truth, Historical evidence soon exposes who is causing division by when it was heaved up and teachings
I'm going to re post my original post to you. notice the crux of the argument "Otherwise please stop spreading your rumors and false witness."
That is my argument. If you had chosen to defend your comments on how Orthodoxy isn't biblical we would have discussed that, but instead you decided to attack me. And now you say I should attract people with honey! Hypocrisy knows no bounds!
Since you bring up the claim that it's time for Orthodox to read our bibles, I'm writing this post to you asking you to please cite where the teachings of Orthodoxy differ from the Scriptures.
If you wish to you may write me a private message and if you seek it a bible study will commence. Rest assured you'll learn that there is the true interpretation of the Word and then there is yours. So reply at your own risk.
Otherwise please stop spreading rumors and false witness
Are you not also challenging? By saying Orthodoxy is bad or one sounds like an idiot and saying one hasnt read there Bibles or i know Orthodoxy better than you because your a new convert and i was born in a Nation of Orthodoxy? Please! Because you disagree, thats ok but dont get fluffy because one is prepared to debate with you.
What has Trifa got to do with Orthodoxy in Europe? Dont you see him more as an Rcc and in the German reign Rome was in the pocket of Germany. Who pushed out the correct Bishops and replaced them with there own and this is not the first time its happened. look at the history of the franks in Rome.
Trifa is not our pope Oh actually we dont have one and you will find that he is not canonical. Thats why this guy on the video is against ecumanism.
"People are fleeing protestant / evangelical Christianity, the Christianity of Luther, Calvin and Wellesley, because there is no Spirituality there". How silly you are. Protestant Pentecostalism is the fastest growing religion in the world. Everyone knows that!
How hypocritical you are regarding Priest's! If you were honest with your opinnions you would be running away from bogus pentecostalism. Explain Kennith Copeland with his Jet plane for the Word of God? Please. The problem with the pentecostals is there so blind they cant see themselves being ripped off in front of there face.
Not to mention the rest of the toppings like Joel Olstien, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myer, ect ect. Tell me do you close your eyes on your own?
Furthermore, I don't know in which protestant church or belief you had belong to, but, salvation is a one time thing, sanctification is a life long process that the Lord is doing, with our help ofcourse.
Isaiah 1:9, says that if you are willing and obedient you shall eat the good of the Land...
God will not force nothing on anybody, He calls, you answer, but you must be willing and offer your body a living sacrifica to the Lord..
We must cooperate with the Lord in our life long sanctification, and cleansing of our spirit and transforming of our soul..
So, I'm thinking that you had turned to a religion that venerate today's "saints" as being above and holier than thou...wheren the bible clearly states that we are not to turn to the beggary elements of this world....
So, you consider me a hypocrite...it doesn't bother me one bit..
Be my guest...you want to be an orthodox?..go for it..
Can you cite a source where the Greek church declared the Russians anathema? Or the Albanians declared the Serbs anathema? I think for the most part you're talking out of pure ignorance and spreading rumors.
Now you may be confused because at this time there is a faction who are schismatics who believe the Church is apostate and all the Patriarchs are in heresy. Aside from this very small group, the Orthodox Church is in complete unity.
And I'm part of the Arab Church, one you didn't mention
@DopoNotte Let me see, you also celebrate Christmas and Ester...
Listen little boy, one day you will eat your words..
You're just a religious bully, ridden with guilt, and now you go around trying to convinced that by leaving your true faith, you did the right thing and to try to convert someone else to worshiping of Mary and "saints".
If that tickles your itching ears, go for it, but keep it to yourself...
If Jesus came back today he would weep if he saw the puffed-up illiterate Orthodox priests stealing money from the E. European peasants whilst wafting their incense around and encouraging idoloatory. The Orthodox are so shameful, they make Catholics look like Christians (and that is really saying something)!
That is saying some thing that we make Catholics look like Christians.
Why do you look at them when you and your demonic fellowship cant see that you follow satan instead of Christ. If you have a slight understanding, know this. That Christ speaks of the Heresies of the later days, thats aimed straight at your fellowship!
Very SAD! Pray and ask the Lord to remove your vail before it's to late but i suppose like all of you it's hard when your ego is in control.
This is absurd. In Serbia Muslims burn Orthodox churches and desecrate grave sites. I've never heard of Orthodox priests stealing money from peasants. Can you cite a source or back up your claim in anyway? Otherwise you're just bearing false witness, spreading rumors, and living in your passions.
Little boy, you live in USA where you have a waterdown version of your religion...If I were you, I will take heed for the ones who actually lived it, in the very heart of it, Eastern European counties...the real orthodoxy...then you would have regreted you joined this tradition based, icon worshiping, people worshiping religion..try a communist country where your religion had turned their own in to be murdedred by the regime to protect their skin..
Then I want to see what you gonna say...If this is what you want to believe, be my guest, but, don't you start throwing statistics and what you "heard" orthodoxy is....
in the face of those who actualy seen it...
Grow up, let some more time pass....live a little bit longer....than I want to see if orthodoxy can help you...
The Gospel is being preached in the pagan lands of the Orthodox world and millions are becoming Christians. Funny how an increase in education makes people abandon the illiterate priests mumbling into their beards about Mary and worshipping idols! Once anyone compares the Bible to the heathenism of Orthodoxy and its sick "Tradition", this is inevitable.That's why Orthodox hates the Bible - they don't want people finding out the truth. Repent and God will forgive you and your evil pagan ways.
Continue your false blinded claims. It's only heaving coals on your own head.
Orthodox hate's the Bible? For the uneducated flesh dwellers like the mob you belong too. Cant handle that the Church that God appointed to put the Holy Bible together was the Orthodox Church. So all i feel for someone like you is pity, for its clear you are a mental follower with no heart. Probably hanging out for the rapture? Keep waiting, for your following a false doctrine or prove me wrong!
I love how people assume all these terrible things about Orthodoxy and equate it with Catholicism and totalitarianism.
Aside from Islam, Orthodoxy is the fastest growing religion in America, and for good reason. People want true spirituality, not hogwash rock concerts. They want to embrace the Fathers, desert monks and mothers, and the faith of the Apostles.
I was born protestant and because I read the bible I converted to Orthodoxy, not the other way around.
Orthodoxy doesn't hate the Bible. An entire third of our liturgy is dedicated to the Word. It's even called "The Liturgy of the Word." Why would you say we hate the Bible? Orthodoxy puts out the calender and it has on it the daily Epistle and Gospel reading for each day!
Now since you bring up the Bible, let me ask you: how is it you know how to read and interpret the Bible? Do you just choose by yourself what it means to you? Or the teachings of the Apostles as handed down by the Saints?
Of course, all your defence of the heresy of "Tradition" is irrelevant - across the Orthodox world, hundreds of thousands of people are leaving pagan Orthodoxy, with its illiterate priests in their funny clothes, and converting to real Christianity e.g. in Ukraine, Russia, Rumania etc. The Protestant churches are conquering the Orthodox world and there is nothing you can do about it because it is God's Will. Repent your idolatory and shameful blasphemy and God will forgive you.
i enjoyed this vid
SuperDogbrown 4 days ago
very interesting video thanks
smuggecko 1 week ago
you have some great stuff here
ericajjful 1 week ago
Again, "filioque" is part of Western heritage from way before the schism. St Sophronius was a Greek, and he felt a need for excusing "filioque" as about the temporal mission to the Church, but way before him, we have Sts Leo, Hilarius, Athanasius, who all testify to the truth, the one that Photius did not accept, and even you today accept them as Orthodox saints. Even Photius accepted St Augustine as a Saint ("ho en tois hagiois Aougoustinos" in his Vivliothiki/Bibliotheke)
hglundahl 3 months ago
OK, you count "filioque" as part of Heresy, right? Innovation in Spain, THIRD Council of Toledo, in opposition overdone, to Arianism?
Look here at a text from FIRST local Council of Toledo (396-400): sorry, cannot post link, so I will give you sth to look for on google: trentophilaret, filioque are two words that should set you exactly right.
hglundahl 3 months ago in playlist Autres vidéos de anti2ecume1satan1ism
@myself:
We believe in one true God Father Son and Holy Ghost, maker of visible and invisible things, by whom all is created in Heaven and on Earth. This one God and one Trinity is of divine substance. The Father is not the Son, but hath a Son who is not tha Father. The Son is not the Father but the Son of God of the nature of the Father. There is also the Holy Ghost, who himself* is neither Father nor Son, but proceeding from the Father and the Son
hglundahl 3 months ago
@myself: and Pope St Leo I ordered this to be sent to a bishop that was absent. The First Council of Toledo was not against Arianism, but against Priscillianists. It was under Honorius and Arcadius.
But I hear, "not a religion", a "therapeutic system", that sounds SO Romanides, i e heresy.
hglundahl 3 months ago
And why is Romanides a heretic?
-a He believes in a mitigated version of total depravity, i e negates the natural law
-b He thinks sin is a sickness and confessors must have a doctors approach, however, doctors unlike judges are insufficiently aware of calumny, of wrongful accusation, and often - esp. in psychiatry -insufficiently charitable about wanting cures to be as easy as can be
hglundahl 3 months ago
Great video!
They mention a previous program about the noetic faculty of man, do you have it? Could you upload it? Thanks
jorgemendozapereira 5 months ago
Live with it.
Talk about it.
Act with it.
veggis64 6 months ago
More religious blah, blah. Let's talk about things that don't exist - what holy spirit?
Where's the holy spirit and how come only christians can see it - sounds like religious nonsense.
masala505 7 months ago
@masala505 Purify your body. Eat raw vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds. Stop eating filth. Your body and your consciousness will transform. You will become more reflective. You will see love, beauty, and goodness and you'll want to consolidate everything noble under a single name. What other name can there be but "God"? When you are healthy, not consuming animals or processed junk, you will turn inward. There you will see God. Of course you cannot see him while your lens is covered with grime.
Silenus6 6 months ago
@Silenus6 My body is pure - it needs to be as I am a runner. When I run I am transformed - living, breathing in the moment. I see love, beauty, and goodness, I also see horror, suffering and meaningless - this is life - it is many things. If you have found God then you need to keep meditating - our universe is greater than any god man can conceive of. The dark sound you hear is your deepest meditation is cold and empty - this is where our freedom dirives from - it's natural and not convieved.
masala505 6 months ago
greetings to all ortodoxs from georgia
globusa100 8 months ago 2
"Wheresoever the Bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the Catholic Church."- St. Ignatius of Antioch
"We can say where the Church is; we cannot say where she is not."
-Metropolitan Kallistos (Ware) of Diokleia
If one can recognize where Christ is, then one can recognize where the Church is, even if it doesn't look like your Church. You who claim to be Orthodox, isn't it time to recognize where the Church is? Isn't it time to come together?
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@EspressoFan4Life Well i would take Kosovo back if i am sure that USA and other NATO shits wont bomb me... -.-
3SRBIJACCCC 1 year ago 3
Well in Germany they are mostly Protestants... In France mostly Catholics... Yes we forgot how you were forcing people to be Catholics... LOL So barbaric.
The history of the Roman-Catholic "Church" is too filthy.And your teaching is wrong! So no unity! End of story! You keep practising your teaching and we will continue practising our teaching. And end of all stories... No need to unite,only if you guys do what we want of you! If you don't,then good luck to you,and leave us alone! Clear?
3SRBIJACCCC 1 year ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Barbaric to force people to be Catholic? What about killing an Orthodox for becoming Catholic? I speak of St Josaphat Kunczevyc
If you think Catholic Church was accomplice to Jasenovac, sorry, that is not an honour for you, it is calumny. Its chief was not a Franciscan friar, but an ex-Franciscan thrown out of his order and excommunicated by Rome. And Cardinal Stepinac tried to help, though he did not speak up. He hid people. Had he spoken, his places would have been searched.
hglundahl 3 months ago
How can you call yourselves Orthodox when you do not follow the Word of God? I am Orthodox as I follow the Word of God alone! Does Paul not teach against men wearing a veil (head covering) while in prayer in 1 Corinthians 11? You are truly pagan! By the way, using leavened bread for communion is not appropriate!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul
Eat a dog's ass you ridiculous Herbert Armstrong shit stain.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter What an immature response!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul
You keep that up and you'll hurt my feelings, poo poo head.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul
I thought I told you to eat a dog's ass. Have you done your assignment yet?
Gulfporter 1 year ago
No unity with western heretics! ! !
3SRBIJACCCC 1 year ago
@3SRBIJACCCC : No unity with western heretics ? Isn't that mentality that cost you constantinople ? Think.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 Oh Constantinople... Burned by western barbarians... and your Crusaders killed our Patriarch,and then you put the local whore on throne of Constantinople's Patriarchs just to humiliate Orthodox Church... And to have unity with the sick "Church" like yours?! Never!
3SRBIJACCCC 1 year ago
@3SRBIJACCCC : You talk like an arab muslim. Yes, the sack was a tragedy but I suppose the byzantines have been the most loyal friends from the first moment on ? Think.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 I talk like Serb Orthodox,who also lost over one million because of NAZI Croats and their NAZI Catholic bishops.
Byzantines??? you mean Greeks? lol Well they asked for help to help them to return their old lands,but you just attacked to rob and burn. You started hate between Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem,when you killed almost everyone... And then you pulled back to your barbaric west,and Orthodox Christians had to pay your barbaric deeds.And that is why they are no more there.
3SRBIJACCCC 1 year ago
@3SRBIJACCCC : Again, you don't show the least bit of self-criticism. Make anyone else responsible for you misery. French at Germans butchered each other by the millions and finally have decided to change the rule of the game and doing fairly well. If it lasts ? Who knows - but it's worth trying. Wouldn't you agree ?
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 : ... and by the way - don't make the mistake to think that I'm anti-orthodox. I'm not...and as far as the Byzantines are concerned - they were Romans, not 'Greeks' - even if they spoke Greek.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 You're wrong! It may have been Roman citizens, but most were in the Greek race! Think that Roman rule was only in the military and political power! Before the Romans the area was Greek country. Even the place called Konstantinopolis (the city of Konstantin the great & king of Byzantin empire) , Byzantium, founded by Megara in Attica in 658 BC.
4anuvis4 1 year ago
@4anuvis4 : I'm aware of that. Still they were romans first and foremost, with all the greek heritage you pointed out. Similar to americans, australians and canadians. British in origin but developing more and more an idenitity of their own as times passes.
januk36 1 year ago
@4anuvis4 EXACTLY AND TURKS DIDN'T COME TILL AD
1985LISS 10 months ago
@1985LISS Exactly!
4anuvis4 10 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Again, Bishop Stepinac was not a Nazi, you are repeating a filthy calumny.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl He only had few handshakes with Pavelic (leader of NAZI Croatia). It was filmed.
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Yes. If you were hiding 7000 people, trying to save them from murderers in the régime, would you refuse to shake hands with régime or would you prefer diplomacy?
I mean, Tikhon never ever shook hands with Communists in Russia, right?
Also, ask yourself if handshakes when filmed were from before or after Stepinac knew Pavelic helped running Jasenovac. How do you tell that from a film?
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl Stipenac was a bishop who led NAZI RomanCatholic priests who were converting Orthodox Serbs, and those who refuse, they'd send them to Jasenovac.
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC That is what Russian Communists wanted you to believe, then Stepinac was slowly martyred for years in Yugoslavia.
What is your evidence that HE or the PRIESTS sent even ONE Orthodox priest refusing Catholicism to Jasenovac?
In the biography of Nicolas Velimirovic it says Stepinac told him he was not wanted there, a few days before he was made prisoner. That is no evidence Stepinac was a traitor. He might have been trying to warn.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl Baahahahah, LOL What the hell Russian communists wanted of us to think in Yugoslavia. Ahahaha
Nikolai Velimirovic spent 4 years in Dalhau NAZI camp, and then he was a victim of Yugoslav communists, he died as a saint while serving divine Liturgy.
Stipenac was one more NAZI maniac who's only role was to destroy Orthodox population.
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Yes, what the Russian Communists wanted you to think. You have been under Communist rule, you know. Stepinac was put in prison for standing up for Catholic schools, independent from Communist régime. Again, there is no real evidence he was guilty of betraying Velimirovic, and it is certain that he hid lots of Serbs, Roms, maybe Jews (if there were any in the area) from Pavelic's men.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl He punished none RomanCatholic cleric for torturing and converting Serbs by force. He was punished by communist regime for being NAZI. And communists wanted of us not to believe in God, and Russian communists had smarter things to do then Stipenac's popularity... Maybe you are trying to say Yugoslav communists, but you too uneducated for that.
Roman-Catholic Church is NAZI, rapist, pedophilia "Church" and all Orthodox and Protestant Christians hate it.
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC The "clerics" that tortured Orthodox priests or any other Orthodox in Jasenovac were no longer clerics. They were already punished for being too Ustashi. That was, among others, the case with the ex-Franciscan that headed Jasenovac.
It is true that Yugoslav Communism took an independent view on some things eventually, but back in the time of Bleiburg massacre on Croats, they did take orders from Moscow.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC As for Roman Catholic Church being a Nazi Church, that is a damned lie, and you believing it shows your indoctrination from Communists.
All cases of abuse of minors are after Vatican II, that I know of. Before that, any priest or minor cleric who even touched a bottom of a boy got out of his clerical frock very quickly.
It is a punishment for a very recent alliance with psychiatry or with child welfare - or both - if these scandals have happened.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Now as to "all Orthodox and Protestant Christians hate it" - also untrue. I was a Lutheran, and I did not hate Catholic Church, and some who did not do so either are still Lutheran. I was a Roumanian Orthodox - they might say I was not, since I believed the filioque, but I was with them - and I did not hate the Catholic Church, and some who still are Roumanian Orthodox do not do so either. Hate and prejudice are bad ways of dealing with most things.
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl "Forgive to your personal enemies, but hate and flee from the enemy of the Christ's Church". Roman-Catholic "Church" is an enemy of One True Apostolic Orthodox Church (Christ's Church).
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC When did it become so? Arians became so when Arius blasphemed, and the are gone. They have been revived twice or three times, first by uncle and nephew Sozzini, unless you count Mohamet also as an Arian revival, then by Charles Taze Russell. Luther, Zwingli, Oecolampadius became so in the same year as the Sozzinis and Münzer: they have split up and most Protestants are Atheists or even Buddhists. A few years before 325 for Arius. 1517 for Luther and Zwingli. What year for RC, by U?
hglundahl 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC A Sedisvacantist would of course say the last Popes became enemies of Christ after the death of Pope Pius XII. Some say cardinal Siri was already elected Pope before John XXIII was elected anti-Pope, others say he was so before Paul VI was elected anti-Pope. Some say Paul VI was a true pope, but John Paul I an anti-Pope, the Apostolic See being tranferred to Palmar de Troya, a village outside Sevilla. I was with those guys for 14 months. Sedevacantists agree on period 1950-90. & U?
hglundahl 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Are you saying Franks invented Filioque, when it was believed by St Hilarius before the Franks conquered Gaul? Are you saying the III Council of Toledo added Filioque to the Nicene Creed with thoughtless innovation in the sixth century, when the I Council of Toledo stated a rule of faith including the word filioque just before 400, under Emperors Honorius and Arcadius? Are you saying that denial of "uncreated energies" is heresy, when Pope Leo I came close to condemning them?
hglundahl 3 months ago
@hglundahl Ye, one more thing, your Filioque is wrong.
3SRBIJACCCC 3 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC If so, why was St Athanasius wrong? Why was St Hilarius wrong? Why were all the Bishops of Spain and Portugal wrong, not under the Visigothic persecution, but when debating about the heretic Priscillian and his followers, under perfectly Roman rule? Why was Pope Leo I wrong, of whom the Council of Ephesus would say "Peter hath spoken through Leo"? These are all older than your Photius, and they all believed the filioque! I believe them, they are Church Fathers.
hglundahl 3 months ago
Are we to accept the " common ground" philosophy with the heterodox, or stress the richness in Orthodox Theology? On one hand we make the statement that the Orthodox Church is the True Faith, On the other hand, we compromise the traditions, water thing s down, and persist in dialogue with the heterodox. The Traditions of the Church and the examples of the Holy Fathers teach us that the Church holds no dialogue with those who have separated themselves from Orthodoxy.
vasilyjc1955 1 year ago
@vasilyjc1955
The Eastern Patriarchs need to get together to solve our own problems, such as the jurisdictional dilemmas. Union with all the Orthodox Churches should come first, so that peace and love will exist among the Eastern Orthodox Churches. Then let's contemplate union with the other confessions, and only if they sincerely desire to embrace Orthodox Dogmas and Traditions.
vasilyjc1955 1 year ago
@vasilyjc1955 It is a shame that certain Orthodox continue to blindly pursue dialogue with the Catholic Church, delusional in their thinking that something positive will take place. These dialogues with the Catholic Church have been pursued for many years with absolutely no results. Can one seriously think that the Vatican will change? Why be indifferent to this political ecumenism and persistently avoid these truths?
vasilyjc1955 1 year ago
@vasilyjc1955 : The Vatican will never change. Take it of leave it. I left. BUT, they have every right to choose what they think is right.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 Be more specific to your statement," they have every right to choose what they think is right."
vasilyjc1955 1 year ago
@vasilyjc1955 : I can't be specific as it depends on the people speaking. Some for instance may criticize that the pope ask priests not to marry. I don't agree with that policy but then again - the pope is the leader and you either accept his rules or leave the church. I left - there are alternatives.
januk36 1 year ago
I was raised Roman Catholic and ordained as a Protestant Minister. I agree with what is being said here by this Priest. (His name?) We went into each other Churches and prayed together much too quickly. It would have been better to have an ecumenical movement that focused on discussion and perhaps limited local cooperation on issues of social concern, i.e. homelessness, etc. The ecumenical movement put the proverbial cart before the horse. Well intentioned, but the differences are real.
EdMDiv 1 year ago
I'm a traditionalist roman catholic, and I say, the monk is RIGHT.
Ecumenism is an heresy. All Popes condemned it. Than we had the tragedy of the Vatican II: the holy liturgy was destroyed, the Doctrine perverted, the church embraced ecumenism with heretics (protestants), pagans (buddists, muslims) and jews: we're good, you're good, everybody's good.
Traditionalist catholics had to leave this circus.. And follow Mgr. Lefebvre.
May God preserve the Orthodox Church untouched by all modern shits.
deutscheseele 1 year ago 6
@deutscheseele wow, didn't expect this from a catholic! nice to see that you are concerned about this.
milleniumfalcon79 1 year ago
@deutscheseele Pius XI did not condemn a limited ecumenism between Catholics and Orthodox.
hglundahl 3 months ago
I've been recuperating from illness these past few days and decided to search for videos that would cheer me up and inspire me. All I've found is name calling and accusations. The Orthodox and Catholic people both say theirs is the "true church". Which is it? The Baptists say theirs is because they're not bogged down in idolatry. Don't Christians have anything nice to say about each other? So much negativity. My head is spinning.
isabellibrizzi 1 year ago
@isabellibrizzi Only four basic confessions have any claim on being the Christian Church: Catholics, Orthodox, Monophysites, Nestorians. These can each claim with some fairness, though not necessarily truth for all, to have continuity before the brake. Protestants cannot. They say they restored, but according to end of Matthew, there can be no such need for restoration. Since visible Church cannot ever have been destroyed in the first place.
hglundahl 3 months ago
There is absolutely nothing christian or original about the "Orthodox" Church. The primitive early church was highly variegated and had none of the ritualistic mumbo-jumbo elements imposed later by Nicean pharisees. Orthodox theology is an anti-christian dead end. Dogmatism of the most boring stripe. Also, why can't these guys just dress normally? May God have mercy on the "Orthodox" Church.
acunuttall 1 year ago
Marshall, you infidels.... Ortodox = Tradition nothing else
tonybaxter2006 1 year ago
God bless you romanian brother, it's time to take Bassarabia back at home !!!
alinodu93 1 year ago 16
Hello , im a Romanian, and im proud to be an Ortodox, the true and original religion.
God bless u all
pretender2u 1 year ago 2
The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
eagletv1 1 year ago
Every church claims to be the "true church". The fact Orthodoxy is HISTORICALLY the "oldest church" doesn't mean its doctrines are the right ones today. Before Christ came to earth the Jewish WERE the chosen ones (Old Testament says so) but they did not obey HIM so they STOPPED being the chosen ones. Being the chosen ones two thousand years ago doesn't mean you are still the chosen ones. The true church obeys the LAW OF GOD and is preparing to the Second Coming of Christ. Find that church.
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 First of all, Jesus's first disciples, and I am referring to the Apostles, they were all Jews. Lord Jesus Himself said that He didn't came to break the Jews belief and traditions, but to accomplish it and to transform it.
Also, because of God's love for human being His revelation was spread to others, it didn't stopped the fact that the Jews are still being the chosen ones.
mepopa 1 year ago
@eagletv1 2: God promised to the Patriarchs that they will be the parents of a chosen nation and He never took the words back or set a time limit for such a fact. Of course, only those who trusted His words and worshiped Him as the true God can hope for their salvation.
But even for those among them who are not converted yet, the prophecies are talking about their offspring who will mass convert to the Christianity before the apocalyptic days. So, they still have their role in God's plan.
mepopa 1 year ago
@eagletv1 3.And another thing: from an Orthodox perspective, there is only one Church, which is the Orthodox Church. In this sense, all the other so-called churches should be seen by orthodox Christians as "institutions", "sects", "cults", "denominations".
mepopa 1 year ago
@eagletv1 4. And at last, about the continuity argument: its written in the Bible: as God can create true Abraham's sons from rocks, it's in His powers to create true believers out of nothing. But He taught us to love each other in His words, and so we should walk together the path towards salvation (those who can walk to help and protect the weakest, and those who can't do it to abase and to let others help them).
mepopa 1 year ago
Exactly my point! God loves us all. Jesus came to save every human being who believes in him and wants to obey him. Looking for God's will in his word and trying to understand what He really wants for us should not be tied to a certain denomination, but a true will to obey Him. The orthodox church is not following God's Word. The question should be: do you reserve a time in the day to get to know your God better? Salvation is personal, regardless of religious denomination.
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 You got it right up to a point. Ask yourself a question: how your mind/conscience was formed? was it as a result of a direct intervention of God, or you evolved through learning from others, building a decision making model and using it? Since your mind was highly "made" by others (which were also "made" by their teachers) as we are social beings, same logic should be applied when referring to the God's Word and where it can be found in its purest form. God bless!
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eagletv1 1 year ago
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The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
eagletv1 1 year ago
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eagletv1 1 year ago
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The Bible doesn't support that.. The Jews had the pure "doctrine", God talked to them quite frequently and through many different judges, prophets and even kings. Yet, they did not have the pure doctrine by the time Jesus came. Actually, they were so fixed in their traditions and celebrations they were so far from the place they were supposed to be doctrine wise. They couldn't even recognize the Son of God himself. Jesus told them that their traditions had taken them away from God.
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 you are deceived my friend :-)
thkalas 1 year ago
The Bible doesn't lie ;)
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 i agree with you my friend
thkalas 1 year ago
May God guide you in every single decision you make in preparation to his Second Coming in glory and Majesty. He is coming soon, and we will spend our days from sabbath to sabbath "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain." Isaiah 66:22
Let's be prepared ;)
May God bless you and your family!
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 may we all meet in the kingdom of God
thkalas 1 year ago
Amen!
eagletv1 1 year ago
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:23
eagletv1 1 year ago
@eagletv1 The bible has countless failied prophecies so it very much does lie. Just google the bible failed prophecies to learn all about them
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
@eagletv1 Jews apostasised when rejecting Christ before Pilate, just as Samarians had apostasised by rejecting the son of Solomon, grandson of King David. Nevertheless, a remnant of them did join the Church between Pentecost and destruction of Jerusalem, and Christian Palestianians descend from them as much as from Samarian, Galilean, Edomite, Moabite, Ammonite Christians. Matthew ends with a promise the Church cannot get lost either.
hglundahl 3 months ago
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The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
eyeboan 1 year ago
@eyeboan
Tell me, how do you feel we should unite?
JJNomos1 1 year ago
The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
eyeboan 1 year ago
@eyeboan
The "true" church?!!LOL. "Orthodoxy" IS the true church, and defined as "Christianity as it was handed down by the Apostles". It's also funny that you call for unity, but by the false understanding of "Catholicism" as the "true" church.
Vasilis719 1 year ago 15
@Vasilis719..LASTLY
While Catholicism has a sickening problem with pedophilia..Orthodox priests marry, and have normal families. While Catholicism speak endlessly of hellfire and damnation..Orthodoxy speak of the true GOD of Christianity, which and compassionate and forgiving. While Catholics stay in bad marriages, rather than divorce, Orthodoxy makes exceptions if it's not a healthy unity. PERIOD.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
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Silenus6 6 months ago
@Vasilis719 We are so mired in our traditions, and the world is so confusing and corrupt, can any of us really know what Jesus taught? Every church claims apostolic succession, or some such thing. But how are we to know? We see Christ, and commune with Him in our hearts only to the extent that we are holy. Therefore, to have a perfect understanding of his teaching, we would have to be exactly like him. But even the saints seem to have fallen short of the majesty of Christ. Only love is certain.
Silenus6 6 months ago
@eyeboan..PART 2
The very term "Orthodox", means "the right way". "Catholic", means "everyone" and "everything"..both being Greek words. While Catholicism has the Pope as Christs representative(clear heresy), have idols(statues), and celebrate Easter with no regard to Passover(which Christianity is the fullfillment of the old testament) as it happened in the Bible, and have a sickeneing problem with pedophilia..
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@eyeboan..PART 3
Orthodox Christianity has a "Patriarch" who is a spiritual leader; as NO ONE can be a representative of Christ, but CHRIST..we have "Iconography" as spiritual art, not as the "idolotrous" nature of statues(like Zeus, Apollo, etc...which the Greeks gave up in conversion), and we treat Easter as the final word and act of the Judeo-Christian GOD.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
The relish of orthodox for their separation from the True Church is sad. Catholic and Orthodox should be able to unite without loss of tradition or rite and fight against protestant heresy. His comparison of Catholics to protests is either malevolent, or braindead.
eyeboan 1 year ago
"The Moscow Patriarchate was established on the orders of Stalin in 1943 as a front organization of NKVD and later the KGB. All key positions in the Church including bishops were approved by the Ideological Department of CPSU and by the KGB. The priests were used as agents of influence in the World Council of Churches and front organizations, such as World Peace Council, Christian Peace Conference, and the Rodina ("Motherland") Society founded by the KGB in 1975." Mitrokhin Archive - deny it!
MrSetzer 1 year ago
@MrSetzer,
We are facing the end days, again you blind yourself to your own but prop up what the Orthodox does, according to you and your limited understanding. Thats ok, i understand whats happening to you are baby in faith and can not tolerate Solid food and starts to choke and become uncomfortable with it and spits it out just like you do and you come out with these shallow excuses.
We are to judge Doctrine, not men!
If i go by your way of life i wouldnt follow Christ because of Judas?
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@MrSetzer,
There are men that may claim they are Orthodox act as Orthodox but are they in control of Orthodox? No! We dont have a universal pope but Christ. The Truth and the Faithful continue regardless what others do!
God will Judge not you. So after showing me your limited spiritual maturity. Are they walking according to the teachings of the Church? Regarding the Monks fighting in the Holy Sepulchre. It was two Armenian Monks that were arrested for initating a violent confrontation.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
The Patriarchate of Moscow, knowing the issues surrounding itself due to the KGB and Soviet government, deemed the OCA (Orthodox Church of America) autocesphalus, and ROCOR was formed (Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia), BOTH of whom exist in America.
Yet your friend says that b/c I am from America I have a 'watered' down version. The truth is Orthodoxy exists in it's purest form in both these organizations. They are no less Orthodox than Constantinople or Antioch.
DopoNotte 1 year ago
"Leonida Pop, who was stripped of his priesthood in 1970s under Securitate's pressure due to his views and who subsequently fled to West Germany told the BBC that many of leaders of the Church would not be strangers to collaboration with the Securitate as during the Communist regime it was not possible to advance in the Church hirarchy without the consent of and collaboration with the Securitate. "I know a few Bishops, both former and present, which were devoted servants of the Securitate"".
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"Under Belarus' restrictive 2002 Religion Law, which was strongly backed by the Belarusian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), state registration is compulsory for all religious communities and unregistered religious activity is illegal against international human rights standards." Please justify this, Orthodox people......
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"The Bulgarian Orthodox Church and the Communist Party coexisted in a closely symbiotic partnership, in which each supported the other. The party supported the elevation of the exarchate to the rank of patriarchate in May 1953. The 1970 commemoration served to recall that the exarchate included Macedonia and Thrace in addition to present-day Bulgaria. Thus the Bulgarian Orthodox Church does not recognize the autocephaly of the Macedonian Orthodox Church".
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"Orthodox clergymen consistently supported the Ceauşescu régime's foreign policy, refrained from criticism of domestic policy, and upheld the line against the Hungarians (over Transylvania). Two bishops even sat in the National Assembly. The church maintained its silence when 24 historic Bucharest churches were demolished. Bishop Corneanu, Metropolitan of Banat, admitted his efforts on the behalf of the Communist Party, and denounced clergy activity with the Communists, including his own".
MrSetzer 1 year ago
Don't you just love the Orthodox? "Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion. Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded kicks and punches at the shrine".
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"Greek politics...have affected attempts to build unity among...Orthodox jurisdictions...In 1994, an unprecedented conference of American bishops called for the birth of a true American Orthodox church. But Bartholomew crushed the effort. A ranking prelate [said] that it's time for Orthodoxy to stop being a "tribal," "ghetto" faith which "live in a way which gives priority to cultural and ethnic loyalties," said Metropolitan Theodosius of...the Orthodox Church in America". Orthodoxy in action!
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"Last winter, a Palestinian seminarian punched a Greek priest after refusing repeated sexual advances during a dormitory party. The faculty disciplinary committee investigated and urged expulsion for the Greek. Instead, Archbishop Spyridon of America deposed the school president and fired 3 faculty members on the disciplinary panel. Many screamed "cover-up" and Greek-American newspapers have carried reports about a powerful clique of homosexual priests and monks close to the hierarchy"
MrSetzer 1 year ago
Can the people respect the clergy when they hear how one priest stole money from below the pillow of a dying man at the moment of confession, how another was publicly dragged out of a house of ill-fame, how a third christened a dog? Is it possible for the people to respect priests who spend their time in the gin-shop...fight with the cross in their hands, and abuse each other with bad language at the altar? RUSSIA, APPLETONS JOURNAL, JAN-JUNE 1877
MrSetzer 1 year ago
"The people shun the clergy, and have recourse to them not from the inner impulse of conscience, but from necessity. . . . And why do the people not respect the clergy? Because it...does not introduce into the life of the people the teaching of the Spirit, but remains in the mere dead forms of outward ceremonial...the clergy itself continually presents examples of want of respect to religion, and transforms the service of God into a profitable trade" RUSSIA, APPLETONS JOURNAL, JAN-JUNE 1877
MrSetzer 1 year ago
I'm Greek and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Russian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Serbian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Rumanian and I declare anathema on you. No, I'm Albanian and I declare anathema on you. What sick shameful perversions of Christianity you are, with your ridiculous backward ethnic chauvinisms based purely on Balkan tribalisms. Yet this is your "Tradition" in action! Wonderful model. No wonder millions are fleeing such evil and becoming real Christains.
MrSetzer 1 year ago 2
@MrSetzer,
Where in unity with the Truth, unlike your heaved up Garbage that is the Greatest perversion there is!
Keep swimming in the sewerage if that make's you happy but you have NO Idea what a real Christian is! Only what your feeble mind thinks it is.
If you are of the Truth, then tell me what is a real Christian?
This will be good!
JJNomos1 1 year ago
As I stated before Orthodoxy is one of the fastest growing religions in America, and I believe in the world today. People are not fleeing it.
Want to know the truth? People are fleeing protestant / evangelical Christianity, the Christianity of Luther, Calvin and Wellesley, because there is no Spirituality there, there is no education on suffering and bearing suffering and curtailing the passions.
It is ironic listening to a heretic rant about true Christianity
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
To humble yourself and get to know God is true and great...and I wish you will actually practice it...However, orthodoxy DOES NOT PREACH IT...!!
50 min of chants and 10 min of talking, 5 of which they ask for money...
I lived in it almost my whole life, so you're not talking to someone who does not know this religion...
And btw, I did not grew here in usa, but in Europe the heart of Orthodoxy...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Sir, YOU CAN HAVE IT...IT WILL FAIL JUST LIKE THE REST OF RELIGIONS....
As a matter of fact, it already did...
Don't bother to answer...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
You're gust a confused, sonfused litttle boy..
Go an do youre chants for today.....and talk to someone else that have'nt been in orthodoxy for mre that your age..
Trying to convince your self you did the right thing..??
Hm....
Another rligious freak...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Isn't just like you to twist everything around...???
You have itching ears and now you twisting things too....
Who do you think had a better view of orthodoxy?
Someone that just converted to it few months ago in a new country or someone from Eastern Europe that was born and raised in it..??
You got a waterdown version of it...brought here by men maybe 200 years ago...
Go to Rpmania...live there about 20 years, then talk about you know orthodoxy..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
You just proved my point...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
So you who call others little boy and your experience of Orthodoxy shows your rebellion against the Truth but thats your loss! You think you know Christ, i can tell you have NO IDEA of the Truth or the teachings of the Ancient Church. Run with your falseness but make one Quote from the Holy Bible, that supports your case?
This is where you will flee like alittle boy.
Romania is not the heart of Orthodoxy and if they are in error?
That for God to judge not you!
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
I'll take my chances with God...
Thanks for concern though..lol
GBU
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Well i suppose thats true!
You are taking your chances with God and may His Mercy be upon you.
Rolling the dice Doesnt save you, nor is it a laughing matter but very sad.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
So, to end this on a pleasant note, I am who I am because of His grace...I'm not perfect...but if I would be, I would not need Him...lol
I'm sory for your friend, but I just defended myself, since he took me by surprise...
Thank you for your pity...but you can keep it...No need for it..
GBU...
Ariel
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
Good for you...
GBU
Ariel
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
Next time...learn how to read...
That's not what I said...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
You have all the time you want to explain the wrong in my reading.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
Good for you and God bless you....
In Christ
Ariel
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Thank you i wish i could say the same.
May Christ have Mercy on us all.
Take care.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
You miss understood, but that's ok too...
His mercy is already upon me, unfortunately, you cannot righteously judge from in the back of a computer...
So, if I stop and convince everyone that I'm following God, I'm a good girl, I'm reading my bible evryday, I'm a mother, wife, friend, mentor, I'm a medical professional that saves ppl's lives, go to church etc....I will run out of time...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
I learned long ago that you cannot please everybody, nor should you try to...
Especially when you had only seen one aspect of their life, as bad as that might be..
So, I'm content knowing that I'm at peace with the Lord, walk in His ways the best I can, but conscient of the fact that appart from Him I am nothing...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
So, sometimes I ran my blabber mouth and one religious bully that knows nothing about me, butts in an exchange that I had with someone that I know, and challenges me to a bible "context"...like I'm gonna be one of his trophies...
NOT SO...
And if the world doeasn't like it...so be it..!!
I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED AND THAT HE IS ABLE TO KEEP THAT WHICH I ENTRUSTED IN HIM AGAINST THAT DAY...!!
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Shame you look at this as a contest with trophies?
This is not the case. If you are bitter against the Church then thats your issue to sort out and choose the path you will to choose but take resposabilty. For if you insult one mans Faith, he has every right to express his stance, as i too have this right. This is an Orthodox site and if you dont want to be part of the Church then thats your choice but dont call names to those who choose to be part of it.
Take care.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
Some of what you say is true, I may have wanted to place you on my trophy wall
But I did not challenge you to a bible contest. I asked you to defend your statements that Orthodoxy is not Scriptural. That would lead to a discussion on the Bible, and inevitably would show that you have a misunderstanding of what you read
Why will you not defend yourself? To be afraid to defend them simply shows the invalidity of the statements made. Hence my over arching argument that you should just be quiet,
DopoNotte 1 year ago
I have no idea why you believe I'm the religious bully when you're the one running your mouth off that Orthodoxy is un Biblical?? How does that make ME the religious bully?
And then you calling me a little boy from the US with a watered down version of Orthodoxy.... yeah I'm definitely the bully here!
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
I appreciate your concern and your kind words....
But God already had mercy upon a dirt bag like me, saved me, and now He is sanctifying me daily...life long process...
I expect His blessed discipline for the words that I said...
Word of wisdom to your friend...If you want to attract a fly, YOU DO IT WITH HONEY...!!
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Honey is a powerful tool and is used by many, eg Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, ect. For me i serve God in Spirit and Truth. That was given to us from the Holy Apostles 2000yrs ago and continued on to this very day. Not from what one man thinks it is? For there are many truths out there but they all cant be true? There is, One God, One Truth. So for one to claim they have the Truth, Historical evidence soon exposes who is causing division by when it was heaved up and teachings
JJNomos1 1 year ago
I'm going to re post my original post to you. notice the crux of the argument "Otherwise please stop spreading your rumors and false witness."
That is my argument. If you had chosen to defend your comments on how Orthodoxy isn't biblical we would have discussed that, but instead you decided to attack me. And now you say I should attract people with honey! Hypocrisy knows no bounds!
DopoNotte 1 year ago
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Since you bring up the claim that it's time for Orthodox to read our bibles, I'm writing this post to you asking you to please cite where the teachings of Orthodoxy differ from the Scriptures.
If you wish to you may write me a private message and if you seek it a bible study will commence. Rest assured you'll learn that there is the true interpretation of the Word and then there is yours. So reply at your own risk.
Otherwise please stop spreading rumors and false witness
Peace
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@JJNomos1
I said that he challenged me to a bible contest like I am some kind of trophy...
And then I said...NOT SO...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Are you not also challenging? By saying Orthodoxy is bad or one sounds like an idiot and saying one hasnt read there Bibles or i know Orthodoxy better than you because your a new convert and i was born in a Nation of Orthodoxy? Please! Because you disagree, thats ok but dont get fluffy because one is prepared to debate with you.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
What has Trifa got to do with Orthodoxy in Europe? Dont you see him more as an Rcc and in the German reign Rome was in the pocket of Germany. Who pushed out the correct Bishops and replaced them with there own and this is not the first time its happened. look at the history of the franks in Rome.
Trifa is not our pope Oh actually we dont have one and you will find that he is not canonical. Thats why this guy on the video is against ecumanism.
Papacy horrors at its best.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
"People are fleeing protestant / evangelical Christianity, the Christianity of Luther, Calvin and Wellesley, because there is no Spirituality there". How silly you are. Protestant Pentecostalism is the fastest growing religion in the world. Everyone knows that!
MrSetzer 1 year ago
@MrSetzer
How hypocritical you are regarding Priest's! If you were honest with your opinnions you would be running away from bogus pentecostalism. Explain Kennith Copeland with his Jet plane for the Word of God? Please. The problem with the pentecostals is there so blind they cant see themselves being ripped off in front of there face.
Not to mention the rest of the toppings like Joel Olstien, Benny Hinn, Joyce Myer, ect ect. Tell me do you close your eyes on your own?
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Please, don't waste my time with a futile debate where you are bullying in the name of your religion.
You are just a young person that just "discover" orthodoxy.
I have explained to you, that I have been an orthodox for more than your age...
I had lived through the time when your orthodox preists had betrayed ppl who confessed to the communist regime and they have been killed and tortured.
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Her where I live close to Miami, there are 2 orthodox churches.
The priest of one, is seen frequently in the restaurants, getting "happy"...
The other, just went through a scandal, cause he broke someone's marriage, by sleeping with the wife..
However, their churches are still going strong due to the tolerance of the orthodox people like you..
In Romania, many are turning to the Lord, despite the overwhelming number of orthodox churches..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Not to say that they are not devoted and true followers of Jesus in this church, because they are.
However they are very few....very few...
True born again believers know they don't need a pastor or a priest to go to the Lord...
Jesus died for all that we may go boldly to the Throne of Grace that we may obtain mercy and grace in time of need.
True christians know that the Holy Scripture is not to be added to, and they are called saints by the Father.
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Furthermore, I don't know in which protestant church or belief you had belong to, but, salvation is a one time thing, sanctification is a life long process that the Lord is doing, with our help ofcourse.
Isaiah 1:9, says that if you are willing and obedient you shall eat the good of the Land...
God will not force nothing on anybody, He calls, you answer, but you must be willing and offer your body a living sacrifica to the Lord..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
We must cooperate with the Lord in our life long sanctification, and cleansing of our spirit and transforming of our soul..
So, I'm thinking that you had turned to a religion that venerate today's "saints" as being above and holier than thou...wheren the bible clearly states that we are not to turn to the beggary elements of this world....
So, you consider me a hypocrite...it doesn't bother me one bit..
Be my guest...you want to be an orthodox?..go for it..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
I wish all the best in your religion..
God bless you...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
Twisted garbage of born agains?
One should be saying to you, best you run far from your new age doctrines.
So you have a problem of honouring Saints? God Does'nt!
No need for Apostles and Bishops? Typical new age, cutting from the scriptures to suit there own will.
To the road of destruction!
Judge the teachings but Woo to you for judging others! If you were are true Christian you would pray for them as we do for you!
Your understanding is flesh in nature.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Like I said...I'll take my chances with God...between me and Him
Thank you fro your loving concern though....what a great lesson I learned from you, the teacher of ages....just landed on this planet...lol
Have a nice life worshiping your idols..burning incense, and chanting....
Can you spell I-D-O-L-A-T-R-Y..?? Sure you can
Good bye..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
The more you post the more you show your infection of heretical understandings! Shame, how badly you believe in twisted understandings.
I will have a GREAT life Worshiping in the Faith of Christ.
Your taking no chances on the wide road to destruction. I suppose since your taking that road of destruction it is Sadbye.
Shame another one bite's the dust but its not to late. Christ ressurects souls in his Church everyday! Who knows one day it could be you.
Orthodoxy = LIFE!
JJNomos1 1 year ago
@hammerandnails777,
ONE God, One Truth!
The hundred year old new age fellowship that you belong too, does not Qualify! Your missing 1900 years? Sorry
JJNomos1 1 year ago
Can you cite a source where the Greek church declared the Russians anathema? Or the Albanians declared the Serbs anathema? I think for the most part you're talking out of pure ignorance and spreading rumors.
Now you may be confused because at this time there is a faction who are schismatics who believe the Church is apostate and all the Patriarchs are in heresy. Aside from this very small group, the Orthodox Church is in complete unity.
And I'm part of the Arab Church, one you didn't mention
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@DopoNotte Let me see, you also celebrate Christmas and Ester...
Listen little boy, one day you will eat your words..
You're just a religious bully, ridden with guilt, and now you go around trying to convinced that by leaving your true faith, you did the right thing and to try to convert someone else to worshiping of Mary and "saints".
If that tickles your itching ears, go for it, but keep it to yourself...
26 yo....ha...lol
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Defending...?????????
More like attacking others for not believing like you do...
Have some growing up to do...when you're more stable...will talk..
Till then....chant....lol...lol
No need to respond...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
If Jesus came back today he would weep if he saw the puffed-up illiterate Orthodox priests stealing money from the E. European peasants whilst wafting their incense around and encouraging idoloatory. The Orthodox are so shameful, they make Catholics look like Christians (and that is really saying something)!
MrSetzer 1 year ago 3
@MrSetzer,
That is saying some thing that we make Catholics look like Christians.
Why do you look at them when you and your demonic fellowship cant see that you follow satan instead of Christ. If you have a slight understanding, know this. That Christ speaks of the Heresies of the later days, thats aimed straight at your fellowship!
Very SAD! Pray and ask the Lord to remove your vail before it's to late but i suppose like all of you it's hard when your ego is in control.
JJNomos1 1 year ago
This is absurd. In Serbia Muslims burn Orthodox churches and desecrate grave sites. I've never heard of Orthodox priests stealing money from peasants. Can you cite a source or back up your claim in anyway? Otherwise you're just bearing false witness, spreading rumors, and living in your passions.
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Little boy, you live in USA where you have a waterdown version of your religion...If I were you, I will take heed for the ones who actually lived it, in the very heart of it, Eastern European counties...the real orthodoxy...then you would have regreted you joined this tradition based, icon worshiping, people worshiping religion..try a communist country where your religion had turned their own in to be murdedred by the regime to protect their skin..
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@DopoNotte
Then I want to see what you gonna say...If this is what you want to believe, be my guest, but, don't you start throwing statistics and what you "heard" orthodoxy is....
in the face of those who actualy seen it...
Grow up, let some more time pass....live a little bit longer....than I want to see if orthodoxy can help you...
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
@MrSetzer
Amen...!!!
hammerandnails777 1 year ago
The Gospel is being preached in the pagan lands of the Orthodox world and millions are becoming Christians. Funny how an increase in education makes people abandon the illiterate priests mumbling into their beards about Mary and worshipping idols! Once anyone compares the Bible to the heathenism of Orthodoxy and its sick "Tradition", this is inevitable.That's why Orthodox hates the Bible - they don't want people finding out the truth. Repent and God will forgive you and your evil pagan ways.
MrSetzer 1 year ago
@MrSetzer,
Continue your false blinded claims. It's only heaving coals on your own head.
Orthodox hate's the Bible? For the uneducated flesh dwellers like the mob you belong too. Cant handle that the Church that God appointed to put the Holy Bible together was the Orthodox Church. So all i feel for someone like you is pity, for its clear you are a mental follower with no heart. Probably hanging out for the rapture? Keep waiting, for your following a false doctrine or prove me wrong!
JJNomos1 1 year ago
I love how people assume all these terrible things about Orthodoxy and equate it with Catholicism and totalitarianism.
Aside from Islam, Orthodoxy is the fastest growing religion in America, and for good reason. People want true spirituality, not hogwash rock concerts. They want to embrace the Fathers, desert monks and mothers, and the faith of the Apostles.
I was born protestant and because I read the bible I converted to Orthodoxy, not the other way around.
DopoNotte 1 year ago
Orthodoxy doesn't hate the Bible. An entire third of our liturgy is dedicated to the Word. It's even called "The Liturgy of the Word." Why would you say we hate the Bible? Orthodoxy puts out the calender and it has on it the daily Epistle and Gospel reading for each day!
Now since you bring up the Bible, let me ask you: how is it you know how to read and interpret the Bible? Do you just choose by yourself what it means to you? Or the teachings of the Apostles as handed down by the Saints?
DopoNotte 1 year ago
Of course, all your defence of the heresy of "Tradition" is irrelevant - across the Orthodox world, hundreds of thousands of people are leaving pagan Orthodoxy, with its illiterate priests in their funny clothes, and converting to real Christianity e.g. in Ukraine, Russia, Rumania etc. The Protestant churches are conquering the Orthodox world and there is nothing you can do about it because it is God's Will. Repent your idolatory and shameful blasphemy and God will forgive you.
MrSetzer 1 year ago