My land is combination from Anatolia to Zagros mountains. Kurdistan is land of indoeuropean native peoples, look at hisotry. Kurds are not from Afghanistan because persians influenced many territoriums much as arabs done. I love persians too, but Kurds and lurs are we from native indoeuropean peoples from caucasus to Zagros mountains. According dna, kurds are an caucasian with indoeuropean combination as basic history, very few or 1 procents in the kurdish nation descend is from semitic tribes.
@MrASHATACK My land is combination from Anatolia to Zagros mountains. Kurdistan is land of indoeuropean native peoples, look at hisotry. Kurds are not from Afghanistan because persians influenced many territoriums much as arabs done. Kurds and lurs are we from native indoeuropean peoples from caucasus to Zagros mountains. According dna, kurds are an caucasian with indoeuropean combination as basic history, very few or 1 procents in the kurdish nation descend is from semitic tribes.
fuck off stupid Kurd I am lore ,if you dare go in cheharmehal baktiari and say lore are kurd and see what people do with you,read some book before you made such stupid comment ,ofc Kurd say even Colombus was Kurd and his name was kak colu
Hey, I have gotten a few family trees passed down to me, as well been doing extra research for the ones I don't have, to complete my entire ancestry. My grandmother's mother's side, we always knew is directly related to Loft Ali Zand and they have a royal family tree that was passed down directly from Loft Ali Zand and have always visited his grave for centuries now. They were from the Laki/Zand Tribe. I recently found out my Great Grand Father was Lur. Does this mean 25% of me is Kurdish?
aww come on, you want t be part of tose monkey ugly dark-skinned persian... who the hell will be proud of being an ugly persian... we kurds look much better than persians.
and the lors and bakhtiaris are light skinned and look good, just like kurds.
hahaha, i wish iranian people excluded azeris and kurds, then only monkeys will be left over, man you persians are uglier than monkeys
its only those azeris and kurds and arab of iran that look good. iran will be a monkey land without kurds, azeris, arabs and other non-persian minorities :)
@KurdishPride952 hahahah dude, i know that ur jellous at persians, for everything they done in history. kurds wtf are u? there is nothing that is kurds?!:O azeris sure are people they are from azerbaijan, arabs mainly from iraq, but kurds? there is nothing named kurdistan?! :O am i even talking to somebody? because people without country cant speak right? sorry but kurds are very ugly, and are semetic ugly people fuck off jews :)
@KurdishPride952 and i live in sweden, i see kurds all the time, got kurdish friends, they lived their whole lives in sweden but still they suck at the language, all persians i know speak perfectly swedish they get good grades in school, and generally very educated. persians have been called the best immigrants in several countrys such as USA, we are beautiful we have great history we have the most beautiful language. kurds are shit get a country fags xD bakhtiari pride which is PERSIAN PRIDE!
@iranijd Well we got like 20 Persians at our schools, and they have all lived here in Norway their whole life. They don't know how to speak Norwegian, they don't even know how to say hello. We got 50 kurds, and when we were 6 years old, they put us in 10th grade because we were so smart.
You see Poorsian, it is very easy to lie on the internet.
@AryanMede i know that this is lies, please if ur not lying swear on ur familys life that this is true. if u dont respond more or u dont swear on ur familys lifes u are lying. i know how persians are they do speak norwegian perfectly those that live there. i have relatives there and they are borned there. they speak perfect norwegian. please shut up stupid kurd liar haha.
@iranijd Er jeg en dum kurder? Engelsken din er forferdelig! Så ikke kall meg dum. Og hvorfor skal jeg sverge på familien min sitt navn? Dette er internett, alle kan lyve. Du mener seriøst at du kjenner alle persere i Norge? Fy faen ..
@AryanMede jag vet hur perserna är överhuvud taget... perserna är ett fint folk som anpassar sig till samhället där de lever. I knew that u was lying u fucking dog, all kurds lie all the time.
@iranijd Påstår du at du kjenner absolutt hver eneste perser i hele verden? Du vet at du høres ut som en arrogant liten kødd? Du vet vell at ¨perserenes land¨ er Islamsk? Der kvinner blir steinet for å ikke gå med hijab?
Så ikke kom og fortell meg masse tull om persere.
I was not lying more than you were, you are a bastard Poorsian who has no facts to back up his bullshit, so you just babble about random shit.
@AryanMede im not saying i know all persians in the world, i just know how they are as people and that they adapt to societys very good. persians are good people, kurds are too, i know many kurds my best friend is kurdish. but kurds like u and somebody that put up this video is retards that are jellous at persians.
@iranijd If you got no facts, or anything else to prove that, then you are wrong. First of all, you insulted Kurds, I did not insult Persians first. I am not jealous of Persians. Kurds made the first Empire in Iran. Four first Shahs in Iran were Kurdish, and we made the Mitra religion. Which was the first monoestic religion in the world.
@iranijd And yes, the maker of this video is not a very smart person. But if you think Lurs are Persian, than you are way more stupid than the maker. Lurs are Medes. Just like Kurds. Kurs, Lurds, Talysh, Bakthiriaris, Balochs and so on, are sub-groups of the Medes.
@iranijd Because they simply are! They are of Median origin, not Persian! And what facts do you have? Do you have statistics over Persians? Do you got statistics over millions of people?
If you are a bakhtiari, then you are a Mede. Just do a DNA test on yourself, and tell me what you get! You are more related to Kurds then to Persians. But you are not a Kurd, you are a Mede.
@AryanMede dude, i talked to my friends father, hes sorani kurd and he said lors are kurds but bakhtiaris are persian, please stop calling me mede, im persian. did u know that all kurds are persians? its true do a dna test.
@iranijd Listen, just because you talk to an American doesn't mean that person knows EVERYTHING about American history and origin. Lors and Bakhtiaris are very close related, so how can one be a Kurd and the other be Persian? Don't be silly! They are both Medes, and you should be honoured to be called so! And don't make up fairy tale stories for me. Kurds are related to Persians, but Kurds are not Persians. Why were Kurds stronger than Persians in the start if Kurds are the ¨children¨ of Persian
@iranijd Kurds (Medes) made an empire before the Persians. Persians and Kurds (Medes) have same origin, but saying Kurds are Persians is like saying Jews are Arabs, which is very ignorant. And the fact that you say it, just proves that you're ignorant.
@AryanMede ur ignorant telling me im kurdish, dude im persian and proud of it. bakhtiaris are indo european people which makes them aryans, we are related to kurds but we arent kurds. bakhtiaris are persian and will forever be.
@iranijd NOOO! I did not say you are Kurdish! I said you are a Mede. Kurds are a subgroup of the Medes, just like Lurs, Talysh, Bakhtaris, Baloch and so on! We are like brothers, and Persians are like our cousins!
You can keep on saying Bakthiaris are Persians, but go to any serious Iranic forum and they all agree that they are Medes!
@AryanMede i see myself as persian and so does shahnameh, "In Persian mythology, the Bakhtiari consider themselves to be descendants of Fereydun, a legendary hero from the Persian national epic, Shahnameh." i see medes as my cousins.
@iranijd Mytology is not the truth my friend. Bakhtiaris are a part of the Median nation, I don't care if the Persians assimilated you. That's your problem. You can see Medes as whatever you want, I don't mind, nor do I care.
@solo141984 You are the stupid one, learn, read and educate you moron. The Kurds have been there before you dumb ass. Sassanids are our ancestor not your, they are the ones who saved your ass after the collapse of Parthians. And there is not one etymological reference to the word Kurd in the manner that says pastoral, this is a figment of your Persianised-Arabic imagination. You are more Arabs than anything else. Your language has 60 percent Arabic words and vocabularies and you look Indians.
@SikismekAtaturk Sassan your ancestors?? hjahahah you have just made a fool out of yourself and the entire Kurdish knowledge of history.. what do you expect when all your knowledge comes from the local taxidriver or alcohol distributor. The first thing that King Ardashir did was his campaign against the Kurds.. which then were merely mountaindwellers and traitors by blood. This book is called Karnamak-i Ardeshir-i Papakan., (the book of deeds of King ardeshir. Son of papag. Written in pahlavi
It is very difficult to talk to psudo-illiterate, as in your case, because you have no sense of what is logical and what is not, you being Indian of origin, as most Persians are given their haplogroup frequency it is difficult because every occupier claims other territories as theirs. Read, learn, use your brain. Research the subject before you write. All Kurds' areas from Hamadan to Luristan through to Kermanshan and beyond are the birthplace of Sasanid and they are still inhabited by Kurds.
@MrASHATACK I am baxtiari.. i have nothing in common with the likes of those who conspire together with the Jews and the US to destroy my precious land.
Let it be known that you will fall together with the Israelis
@solo141984 ً What an illiterate Mongolian turk you are, which book you are reading or perhaps you don't read at all. Take an advice don't delve into things you have no knowledge of.
in 5000 years never read kurdish nation or kurdish teritorium.
arabs persians turkish have long history and teritorium because kurds never have exestict in history and today and future too.
kurds are mixnations and he make today fantasyhistory propaganda for your ego because the realy is kurdsnation exestict not in history and today, this is fact, you can 1000 x write kurds have history but lie is lie.
@webbizz88 Learn English before you attempt writing, and read, research and study history before writing because you really are an embarrassment to human race with this illiterate mind of yours. Kurds have been living in their Kurdistan and Luristan before all the three nations you have described in your less-than-intelligent posting. You are a fake group of people, originally you are Kurds (ask your mother or father about your forefathers and see where they came from: It is Kurdistan.
@SikismekAtaturk I think you ataturk supporter have not done the best choise to support kurdish rights LOL, kurds, persians, armenians, georgians and all indoeuropean peoples are basicly same!
@91Musicboy Actually if you translate the name I've chosen in Google you will find exactly why the second name is put in there. I agree we are all Indo-Europeans.
@AryanMede First of all there was never a difference between the socalled Mada and Persian.. Both denoted themselfs as Aryan..Both migrated from the east.
The Greek sepatarisme and propaganda named the two starting a ethnic difference which during those days was not at hand.
You can try to do the same but you will not succeed. We stick to our roots and proud heritage..
part1 i dreamt of myself in iraq i see all of iraq and iran and in dream it is saying the faris races of iraq and iran are same as people of the gulf well i came across something after i dreamt this our sunni imam says on a tradition that lud son of shem married shakbah daughter of japheth and the faris race comes from them lud was also the fore father of the amalikites the canaanites the people of oman the gulf egypt hijaz this is in wikipedia! second part below
and before this i dreamt of lud and his wife and i in dream it is saying we are not semitic and then i am holding lud in my arms like a baby and what imam tabari said is true because the faris is not semitic and also come from him also i dreamt of a fair lady and in dream it is saying the people of gulf and iran are from her and also saying the indians are from the middle east but from someone else an in fact they are from the scythians who are from magog son of japheth.
the non white kurds do have faris facial features.and the idiot should read more carefully i have seen many iraqi kurds and they look like many persians the only ones who look different even though indo aryan are the punjabis their face is not farsi Lud ibn Shem and his wife Shakbah bint Japheth are the progenitors of the faris races!!!!!!!!
after the achaemenid was the parthian empire so please give me a break with i am not a faris race thing these are faris kingdoms! the reason i talk the way i do i have seen the Prophet Muhammad more than eight times more i do salawat more i see things in dream form and long time back i dreamt i have farsi bckground even though i am brown Imam Abu Hanifa RA was from Iraq and faris background was dark complexioned check the descriptions of the 4 imams
The Median homeland, as can be understood through Assyrian sources, was on the northwest bounded to the land of Mannaeans, on the west to Parsua, on the southwest to Ellipi and on the south to Simashki region of the Elamites. The eastern border of the Medes was bounded with Mount Bikni, which modern scholars traditionally identified with Mount Damavand, but in recent decades some scholars tend to identify it with Mount Alvand near Hamadan,
The Achaemenid Empire (Persian: امپراتوری هخامنشی) (c. 550–330 BCE), also known as the Persian Empire, was the successor state of the Median Empire, ruling over significant portions of what would become Greater Iran. The Persian and the Median Empire taken together are also known as the Medo-Persian Empire, which encompassed the combined territories of several earlier empires.
one fellow on here is a idiot and talks rubbish there are faris races the persians are not the only faris race moron and also the southern part of india was ruled by the parthians they were called pallavas ! and i told this certain moron i have kurdish heritage my grand dads never looked like europeans they have the black hair more middle eastern features so this idiot stating this and that? i said faris races
The Muslim historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (c. 915) recounts a tradition that the wife of Lud was named Shakbah, daughter of Japheth, and that she bore him "Faris, Jurjan, and the races of Faris". He further asserts that Lud was the progenitor of not only the Persians, but also the Amalekites and Canaanites, and all the peoples of the East, Oman, Hejaz, Syria, Egypt, and Bahrein.
@rasheed1660 Medes were not fucking persians! Medea were ensembled by many kurdish empires! Lullubians, Hurrians, Gutians, kyrtians, Mittani, Mannea and Elamites. Lullubians existed even before Elamites! So lullubians are not known that they existed before sumerians as first civilisation. But sumerians have the strongest evidences that they were first civilisated! kurdish nomadic ancestors on the mountains founded agriculture, weaving, making pottery, metall works and animal husbandry!
@1Azadman Bullshit, stop waisting time and energy on something you do not know much about. Kurdish language is an offspring of middle-persian(Pahlavi) language, and became a new idendety during time of Sassanids (Perso-Parthian empire). Middle-persian differs from old-persian because of the parthian eastern iranian influences, also some bactrian, sistani(saka) etc. If you study kurdish language you will find it more related to parthian language rather than median. Balochi is pure parthian!
@Kamali22 Kurds are not descend of Parthian, it's parthian which is descend of kurds, because it's the nomadic kurds who existed over the mountain of Mesopotamia after Adam and Hava borned, many peoples fled to Africa and becamed semitic while the semitic becamed also native in south dessert Mesopotamia. Adam and Hava were the first humans God consided them be humans while many other were Neanderthals. Humans existed as animals before Adam and Eve, humans in America and Africa were neanderthals
@Kamali22 Kurds descend of HUrrians, Abraham loved hurrians, it's hurrian who helpted Abraham with everything Hurrians, Hittites, Elamites, Lullubians, Gutians, Manneans all becamed to one house known as Media. Media becamed later to Cordyene/Cordouchoi under the Roman empire after Media were defeated by Persia. Cordyene means mountains people of Mesopotamia and the name of Cordyene were founded by the Romans who recognized and created Cordyene state under their empire, Today we are Kurdistan
@Kamali22 It's persians who descend from us, we existed long before persians, we are native people over the north Mesopotamia according sumerians. The sumerians recognized kurdish ancestors empire which owned empire over the lands belonged to them, sumerians said also that Gutians ruled over the semitic empires in 200 years, which means Gutians defeated empire of semitic peoples, they are the base people who created the civilisation over Kirkuk. Kurds are native in Kurdistan since Adam and Eve!
@Kamali22 Newroz were founded under Median times, Newroz is the kurdish national day and the holiest day for kurds after the metallworker Kawa defeated the evil ASSyrian king who promissed the kurdish people with give their childreens a paradise while he gaved their brains to his snakes untils Kawa killed him with his hammer Native nomadic Kurds founded agriculture, weaving, making of pottery, animal husbandry and metall works in north Mesopotamia. Media were all mountains people of Mesopotamia
Who do you serve,Lawrence of ZION ? Over 90% kurds in turkey are muslims,you zionists are swor enemy of Islam and Muslims. You NEVER wave freedom flag for Muslims. There is no such war on terror, BUT there is war on Islam fot terrorist israel, there is war on 1.5 billion muslims for terrorist-israel.Since 1300 years the muslims protected jews from Crusaders BUT when they got their chance these filty jews back-stabbed their own protectors
@rasheed1660 You should go and learn more about kurdish history! You have huge number to know about kurds! You are just a donkey in the dessert who fantisize many donkey things to got youre donkey ideas in free way without any sense. Persians were not media, because persians according Herodotus and Xenofon were enemy of Medes. The assyrians in the west were also enemy of Media. So Media are all kurdish ancestors which were ensembled, Media becamed later the state Cordyene or Cordochoi or Karda.
@AnadoluHilali and bud i am a muslim indian with sunni iraqi heritage! and in tasawwuf we follow Qadiri Tariqa! what the hell are talking the middle eastern kurds are a faris race who ruled iraq after medes ?
@rasheed1660 Are you a kind of donkey indian? You don't know any shit of kurdish history! Kurds never descends of fucking India! Kurds existed before even indians since they were neandertales. A neandertale bone is founded in Hewler (Erbil)! Persians did never existed before kurds! Kurds history going back to Adam and Eve. Kurds existed before sumerians as nomadic mountain people the sumerians themself talked about. Sumerians recognized Gutians as native people and their capital were Kirkuk!
@AnadoluHilali you sure are a ignorant fellow! most of Ambiya AS came from Bani Israel those who believed in them and followed their foot steps were muslims!
@1Azadman For every1 zionist-israeli that dies at least 350 Semitic-Palestinian civilians die.Nazi-israel steal Palestinian land,water,farms,crops,bulldoze their house,olive trees,imprison,thortue,and kill their relative,starve them,humiliate,them build a WALL around them so they can't get out,then bomb them depleted uranium,Gaza is an openair prison-camp for 1.6 million,half of them children,the WesrBank is APARTHEID Siwiss-cheese.
part1They conclude that the common genetic background shared by Jews and other Middle Eastern groups predates the division of Middle Easterners into different ethnic groups.
Interestingly, Nebel et al. (2001) also found that the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), considered the most definitive Jewish haplotype, was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews, 7.6% of Ashkenazim, 6.4% of Sephardim, 2.1% of Palestianian Arabs, and 1.1% of Kurds. part 2 below
The CMH and the most frequent Kurdish haplotype (MKH) were the same on five markers (out of six) and very close on the other marker. The MKH was shared by 9.5% of Kurds, 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, 1.4% of Palestinian Arabs, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim. The general conclusion is that these similarities result mostly from the sharing of ancient genetic patterns, and not from more recent admixture between the groups.
Haplogroup J2 It is composed of several sub-Haplogroups representing several different countries like Turkey, Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Aegean, Balkan, Italy. One sub Haplogroup M172* is mainly found in the Northern Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean, Iran, Central Asia, and Southern Europe
. Is is though to have originated in Anatolia (Turkey and Kurdstan) ie North Mesopotamia, and spread to Europe and to other Middle countries like Lebanon Palestine Iraq, Syria. J2 subclades are also found in the South Caucasus (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), Iran, Central Asia, and South Asia: for example, Muslim Kurds (28.4%), Central Turks (27.9%),
, Georgians (26.7%), Iraqis (25.2%), Lebanese (25%), Ashkenazi Jews (23.2%), Sephardi Jews (28.6%), Iranians (23.3%), Tajiks (18.4%), and Pakistanis (14.7%). J2 is not regularly found in Semitic-speaking populations of Africa, such as the Amhara and Tigrinya in Ethiopia (Semino et al. 2004)
. However, J2 has been found to encompass several subhaplogroups (22 subhaplogroups, including 5 that have high frequencies) that originated or expanded in different regions: Italy, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia (Turkey and Kurds), the Caucasus (Georgia), and Somalia (see ref: Semino et al. 2004). Haplogroup J2 was used to be considered a genetic marker of Anatolian Neolithic agriculturalists.
. It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20.6%, Albanians 19.6%) and in southern Italy (16.7-29.1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6.2%, Hungarians 2.0%, Ukrainians 7.3%) and in Southeastern Iranian-speaking areas (Pashtuns 5.2%, Pamiris 6.1%)
. A significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) was detected in western and south-western India (the highest being 21% among Dravidian middle castes, followed by upper castes, 18.6%, and lower castes 14%; Sengupta et al. 2006).
"Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe
These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem. Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.
. The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.
The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations... Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs."
In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East( which is not unique to Jews). However, its existence( among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.
part1However, one problem with using the CMH is that only about five percent of Jewish men have this haplotype, thus drastically reducing its usefulness. Another problem is that the CMH is also found among a small percentage of non-Jewish men of Middle Eastern heritage.
.this should be part 2 below is part 3. Nebel et al (2001) found that the CMH was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews, 7.6% of Ashkenazim, and 6.4% of Sephardim, but that it also was found among 2.1% of Palestinian Arabs and 1.1% of Muslim Kurds. The CMH and the most frequent Muslim Kurdish haplotype (MKH) are the same on five markers (out of six) and very close on the other marker.
part2. The MKH is shared by 9.5% of Muslim Kurds and 1.4% of Palestinian Arabs, but it is also found among 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim.
@AnadoluHilali u seem pretty uneducated there person they are close to the semitic jews!from thousands of yrs ago! the jews are not the only ones with the cohen y dna! many iraqi kurds non jew kurds have the cohen y dna as well the kurds are a old farsi race ! not talking about the european kurds the kurds with black hair they look very middle eastern and by the way person after medes who ruled cyrus conquered all of iraq ect
@AnadoluHilali u are uneducated imam tabari sunni imam said that lud ibn shem is the progenitor of the faris races ! being from shem does not make the race semitic u moron ! lud married the daughter of japheth her name was shakbah imam tabari is truthful cyrus the great is also from medes fool
@AnadoluHilali fool as i stated the jews are not the only ones with the cohen y dna many non jewish kurds in iraq have the cohen y dna as well do your research u will find what i say is right
@AnadoluHilali Down with turks! I don't support zionism tww. But I support a homeland for jewish people there they are native. Jews are native in the land known as Israel before moslims. I agree with you zionism must leave the barbaric system against childreens and womeens. Turks claims everyt places in earth belongs to them, the only thing turks need is ensembling in a area there they whant rule without they have any respect of the antive peoples thousands of year history! Death to turks!
@AnadoluHilali How many kurds have not been killed by turks with ataturkism laws! Many kurds are killed by ataturks laws in Turkey! Death to fucking turks!
@AnadoluHilali Down with turks! Down with Ataturk! Down with Turkey and Long Live Kurdistan and Israel. Israel is Long live as Kurdistan. Israel is the best state in Midle east today and kurds will make that stronger in Midleast!
@AnadoluHilali Islam allow Jihad without suicide! Jihad must be perform without suicide, killing childreen, womeens and hurt food and other biological phenomenons wich is needed, Alqaida use method against islam. Islam allow studies to come closer Gods art behind everything does exist! Kurds have right to protect their native land and ruling their own land! After all Salahodin done for arabs, arabs claims kurds be satanic people despite kurdish culture is not forbidden by God! Death to Turkey!
@danielkachal According DNA lurs are medes! Medes were not persians, because persians were much more dark than medes. Lurs have their own dialect like Zazaki kurdish and other kurdish dialect wich spell with latinian alphabet while there is dialects wich spelling with arabic alphabets. Laki lurs considing them as the most kurds than ever wich they are loved and they love the other kurdish dialects of groups and everything! Lurs are kurds.
Lurs are among the kurds with dialect dependence by them
@danielkachal Again. Kurds according archeologists and Iranologists that Medes are mixed with the kurds and medes is one part of ancestor to kurds. The orginial medes is founded to be a part of kurdish blood while there is other ancestor to kurds wich existing in the kurdish blood. None of the kurdish ancestors are semitic and semitic blood will never be a part of kurdish blood! You know the ASSyrians and their realtions like chaldean are not kurds. They live as gypsies all over Kurdistan
@danielkachal I really hate gyspies like ASSyrians who becamed kicked out by arabs fom their native homeland! We have plains of their fucking heart Nineveh there they can live with autonomus as dogs without they move and live among kurds with their arab related culture! The fucking turks will not exist, they have to be assimilated to learm kurdish language and culture without they became any ancestor to kurds and without they have the breath to bring their culture and capture the kurdish culture
Dear Kurdish Pride ofcours we have the same blood and are IRANIAN (ARYAN).
We are Lor and of cours Persian look at our dialect and Clothing. A potato will lough at you that you are claiming the Lor's are kurdish..By the way it is PERSIAN GULF..
Dumbass cock sucker. Lurs speak a Persian dialect you stupid goat fucking Kurdish sub-human. 78% of Luri consists words from Pahlavi middle-Persian. You Kurdish cavemen have no history or culture so you try to steal others.
hahah what a bull shit .... Who said lurs are Persian ? Lurs are IRANIAN just look at the clothes that they wear . ..look at the language ... look at where they live ...... IRANIAN are NOT just Persian .. Persian are one of the Iranians ... EVEN KOROSH(Cyrus the great ) was half Persian and half Median ... THATs why The land is called Iran by its native people not Perisa....
Kurds ahev sumerians as their first ancestor via Gutians!
Kurdish blood is mosr importnat blood wich is survivng today!
Sumerians blood is survivng in the kurdish blood!
Dont think sumerians were semitic people, they was not semitic or Indoerupean. The only kurds are related with persians is via Medes and some other ancestor!
@1Azadman LOL where is your DNA test .. How can you prove that ? Lors are Persian by blood and culture and race and language .... Go enjoy your life with SUMMERIAN and other people's BLOOD ...LOL if you are Summerian then your SEMETIC which means your ARAB ..LOL you can talk about Kurds becasue of you\r Kurd ...but Lors are ARYAN and are pure so don't make them a Mixed people
@danielkachal Kurdish blood by Eurpeans and western archeologists have sumerians blood survivng! The evidences of Gutians show that Gutians kings ahd sumerians name. That mean the hole origin of Gutians is sumerians.
Kurds first ancestor is sumerians via Gutians. Archeologists believes that kurdish ancestor founded agriculture, metallworks, weaving, making pottery, alphabets, animal husbandry, and much more foundations!
God bless Kurdistan and all part of the Kurdistan.
@1Azadman keep your ARABIC/African/jew for your self .... have fun with Gutians and others .... i wonder how Kuzestani people and souther Iraqi people think of KURDS.. for GOD sake Arab people live were Summer was not Kurds.... GOD bless Iran and IRanian ( Persian,Lor,Kurd,Azeri,Baluch,....)
@danielkachal Arabs live everywere! They thieved all the land wich they are majority in Mesopotamia today! Arabs existed just 1000 B.C , while sumerians existed 3000 B.C
@danielkachal By many fact, sumerians are ancestor to kurds via Gutians. Gutians was first nomadic people in mount Zagros, many sumerians peoples moved from land of Sumerians to Zagros, thats because barbaric akkadians ruled over states wich was not established by themself. Gutians had kings with sumerians names, they lived in mount Zagros, but the kings of Gutians had sumerians names, That means sumerians themself created the base of Gutians! Gutians lived in mount Zagros!
@danielkachal The suemrians relation elamites lived in Khuzestan. Sumerians lived in southern Iraq! Assyrians, arabs and turks are semitic peoples.
Assyrians ancestor is akkadians. they conquested the land of sumar, then just Gutians were survivng on the mountian of Zagros! Sumerians established the first civilisation in earth, Gutians have sumerians roots! Their kings had sumerians anmes, thats mean the kings was sumerians! Assyrians are semitic people and they existed before arabs.
@1Azadman you are wrong about a lot of things.. first ELAM civilization is older than sumar.. secondly ELAM and SUMAR are historic civilization , but other unknown civilizations existed around the world way before Sumar (EX burnt city in Iran which dates back to 5000 BC (check googel ))...BTW you can't just choose your ancestors LOL if you continue this way , Persians can be ancestors of Kurds too ..BTW TURKS are not SEMETIC
@danielkachal Kurds have many ancestor, they are mixed people with Gutians, medes, kyrtians, manneans, mitanni, meitini. Sumerians are ancestor to kurds via Gutians. The origin of the Gutians kings was sumerians.
So the hole base of Gutians is sumerians.
Arabs invaded lot of nations states during the time of islam borned!
Jews are not semitic in Jerusalem, if they are semitic, then christians are also semitic, jews are not a people. Jewish is about religons, Adolf Hitler was jeloues of Jews!
@danielkachal Today, there is known that sumerians was first civilisated people, They also founded "agriculture", "metallworks", "weaving", "making pottery", "animal husbandry" and lot of foundations!
They founded agriculture near the Tigris and Euphratied rivers, their soil was from the mountain somewere in Diarbekr in Kurdistan region of Turkey!
Arabs existed just 1000 years B.C while sumerians around 5500-5000 B.C.
@danielkachal So the europeans did same with peoples from India, there is many canibal people in India wich is living in isolated areas! So there is prooved that every humans foundations camed from Sumerians! Sumerians are facinating people, there is difficult to know were sumerians founded all their foundations, there is known that mountain of Zagros was the holiest area for humans civilisations. It was in mountains of Zagros and other placed in Kurdistan there they taked the soil from.
@danielkachal Arabs didnt existed when land of sumerians were invaded and taked by Assyrians! Summerians offspring Gutians survived in the Zagros mountains. Akkadians was enemy of Gutians, they conquested land of sumerians and all their states when they created "assyrian empire". Assyrians anhilated the sumerians in their base homeland. Just the Gutians defeated them, Gutians are descendant of sumerians!
Arabs didnt existed when the sumerians land were taken by semitic ASSyrians!
@1Azadman if you really want to understadnd who is the main ancestor of KURDS, you have to look at their Language and culture .. which are both Iranian ( language is Indo-Eurapoean (AZADMAN means free man) and they share a massive cultural symbols with other iranians ) BTW ARABS are semetic so they are related to all semetic people and all have the same roots (Jews are semetic too BTW)
@danielkachal Adolf Hitler killed jews, because the jewish was rich and they owned the baks, the jews whanted all people be jewish, Hitler killed them because he said that jes killed Jesus, jews tooked their money and lot of other excuses against jewish poor people!
Elamites was sumerians related, the archeologists believes that elamites was close related with sumerians. Akkadians had no land, so Assyrians conquested their land and ruled over mesopotamia despite they was semitic people.
@danielkachal Some of the kurdish ancestors are related with other iranians groups. All kurdish ancestor becamed mixed, none of the kurdish ancestors was enemy against each other and they was also not semitic people at all.
Azad is a name wich camed from India, I know it. My name is Azad, thats about when south Kurdistan becamed free and had safeheaven from US and Russia, then kurds in southern Kurdistan was independence and I get may name "Azad" since 1991!
@danielkachal When the Europeans founded "Amerika", there was just nomadic peoples without any kings! The American native people was not civilisated at all!
Europeans was christians and they learned everything from Midle east.
Peoples in southern part of Africa was also not civilisated, they acted like preadtor animals, they was also canibals. The Europeans was like us Midleast people, they used the africans such as they did with animals, because they was animals like lions or every predator!
@1Azadman I have also heard about the root of kurdish history!
Kurdish history began with Gutians/sumerians. You are right, Gutians were created by sumerians, the kings had sumerians origin/root. I have also heard that archeologists belives that with evidences that kurds have the root of sumerians. Brother, ofcourse kurds ancestors are not semitic. They are all native people in the area of Kurdistan.
Im proud kurdish jew, our greate ancestor "medes" protected jews from barabric fucked assyrians
@danielkachal Im muslim! But Im muslim because I hate arabs. Islam recognize that God hated arabs so God sended arabs own prophet to get the fucking barbaric semitic arabs be understanded even from GOD!
@danielkachal Im agree that kurds are most related to other Iranians today. Assyrians are related by some of the part of the kurdish culture, thats because sumerians was first civilisated people! The kings was diffrent, Assyrians are proved to be semitic, because they conquested states wich was already established by other people like sumerians for example! ASSyrians history is not a part of kurdish ancestors. Their ancestors was in conflict with the kurdish ancestors all the time!
@danielkachal The automous of Northen Kurdistan also going to have EU membership or even they must have right to everything in kurdish region part of Turkey!
@danielkachal Do you know why persians cant be a part of Kurdistan? Because persians have not kurdish blood. Persians didnt existed before kings. The persians kings was enemy of all kurdish ancestor, persians kings was worst against medes!
kurds are a mixed nation with the root of Sumerians via Gutians!
@1Azadman LOL who said Persians want to be part of Kurdistan ? LOL Kurds can be part of Iran... BTW who said Persian kings were enemy of Medes ? wasn't Cyrus half persian and half Medes? or DID any thing happened to Medes during Persian empires? as it's Medes were one of the biggest Family of Iranian... BTW there is no Kurdish Blood as you said "kurds are a mixed nation ".. and at the end that was MEDES who destroyed Assyrians( it had control of Summer) who some Kurds clime to be their ancestor
@danielkachal Assyrians was semitic people, Sumerians was not semitic people.
Medes is not only kurdish ancestor. Befire, medes there was a kurdish ancestor "Kardouchian or land of Karda!, The first kurdish history began with Gutians. Gutians kings had sumerians name. Assyrians conquested lad of sumar, they did sumerians be gone. But the origin of Gutians is sumerians, because the kings was from sumerians, that mean the hole base of Gutians is sumerians!
@1Azadman LOL Summerian aren't SEMETIC ? LOL you need to read hoistory or at least search it in google before writing .."The term "Sumerian" is the common name given to the ancient inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia, Sumer, by their successors, the Semitic Akkadians" <=WIKI
@danielkachal Kurds existed with suemrians as the first ancestor, why shiuld kurds be a part of Iran? Its Iran which should be part of Kurdistan. Its in the kurdish blood the sumerians blood survivng today! Gutians, elamites, hurrian, medes, mittani are all ancestor to kurds. There is more kurds living than persians. Kurds are about 40 million, while persians are about 35 million. If all part of Kurdistan was Iran, then kurds was the majority in Iran.
@1Azadman LOL man 35 million Persian hmm haven't you count Persian in Afghanistan, Tajikestan,Pakistan,UAE and other countries? according to wiki Persian are 75 Milion which is more than Turks ... your just counting Iran ( which is still more than 40 million) .. BTW according to wiki Kurdish people are 28 million ..which means Persian are majority
@1Azadman according to University of Columbia .. Kurds are 7% in iran ( 2006) and Persian are 63 % ... if you want the source i'll send you the web page ..
@danielkachal Why should kurds be a part of IRan. Cyrus mother was kurdish! Thats because Cyrus mother was daughter to the evil kurdish king Zuhak!
Zuhak had two daughters, one of them married with babylionian princes, she was evil. The other married with persian, she had good heart! Cyrus mother is daughter to the king who een killed by Kawa Asingar! Newroz is kurdish, because the evil kung Zuhak was kurd!
@1Azadman WTF .. we are talking about History ..not some old stories ( whic in persian Kawa is Persian and others too ) and Newroz is Iranian ( for all persians,Kurds,Baluch,Azeri,Lor...) BTW if kurds are Seummerian then they must be Semetic and ARAB.. now your connecting ARABS to ARYANs ( MEDES) LOL man .. MEDES Kings were ARYAN and had no Semetic blood ..
Let the Kurdish people know where they stand.. descendants of Kordechai and other scum.
We are proud descendants of King Fereydun and in history have protected the Iran heritage
SEE: DR. Shapur Bakhtiar and Mossadeg
In history you kurds have disrupted our land by conspiring with Israeli's. the US, and even with the turks against the Aryanan..
solo141984 1 week ago
My land is combination from Anatolia to Zagros mountains. Kurdistan is land of indoeuropean native peoples, look at hisotry. Kurds are not from Afghanistan because persians influenced many territoriums much as arabs done. I love persians too, but Kurds and lurs are we from native indoeuropean peoples from caucasus to Zagros mountains. According dna, kurds are an caucasian with indoeuropean combination as basic history, very few or 1 procents in the kurdish nation descend is from semitic tribes.
91Musicboy 2 weeks ago
LURS ARE KURDS, FUCK IRAN AND PERSIANS
xOxKurdParstxOx 3 weeks ago
If the Lors were Kurdish , Kurdistan would be independent a long time ago .
KamyarM 3 weeks ago
im lor, lors are not kurdish !!!
TubeBillionaire 2 months ago
lors bakhtiari and kurds same blood median mada fars go back to afghanistan.
MrASHATACK 3 months ago
@MrASHATACK why you say that? All Iranians are brothers.
BoneBeast 1 month ago
@MrASHATACK My land is combination from Anatolia to Zagros mountains. Kurdistan is land of indoeuropean native peoples, look at hisotry. Kurds are not from Afghanistan because persians influenced many territoriums much as arabs done. Kurds and lurs are we from native indoeuropean peoples from caucasus to Zagros mountains. According dna, kurds are an caucasian with indoeuropean combination as basic history, very few or 1 procents in the kurdish nation descend is from semitic tribes.
SO GOOD LUCK!
91Musicboy 2 weeks ago
lori not kurdish .
webbizz88 3 months ago
The genius who put this video did not know about the Iranian language tree????
He did not know that Kurdish is a small branch of the iranic languages
and not the other way around. There are no similarities between kurdish and tajiks or afghans or other aryan nations from caucasia to the indus.
But all have similarities with Iran.
Do you think people are stupid like you too make such an easy deduction
Go fuck your mother with you fake video
Do you really think people are
solo141984 4 months ago
LURISTAN is Kurdistan =)
HinterhaltT 4 months ago
ba xwa zor ba kurmanci da che.
jamalak74u 5 months ago
fuck off stupid Kurd I am lore ,if you dare go in cheharmehal baktiari and say lore are kurd and see what people do with you,read some book before you made such stupid comment ,ofc Kurd say even Colombus was Kurd and his name was kak colu
paymanmktr 5 months ago
@paymanmktr no one say Columbus was a kurd
But lori are kurds and will be forever
You dirty Persian with your fake account Fuck of you
MederKurde8 4 months ago
@MederKurde8 god is kurdish i swear he told me.
solo141984 4 months ago
@paymanmktr LMAO!!!!
BoneBeast 1 month ago
english translation pleasE?
onlyme3960 7 months ago
Hey, I have gotten a few family trees passed down to me, as well been doing extra research for the ones I don't have, to complete my entire ancestry. My grandmother's mother's side, we always knew is directly related to Loft Ali Zand and they have a royal family tree that was passed down directly from Loft Ali Zand and have always visited his grave for centuries now. They were from the Laki/Zand Tribe. I recently found out my Great Grand Father was Lur. Does this mean 25% of me is Kurdish?
kiabadie 8 months ago
you kurdish fucking retards, this is a bakhtiari song and bakhtiaris are PERSIAN. im bakhtiari and i know.
iranijd 10 months ago
@iranijd
aww come on, you want t be part of tose monkey ugly dark-skinned persian... who the hell will be proud of being an ugly persian... we kurds look much better than persians.
and the lors and bakhtiaris are light skinned and look good, just like kurds.
fuck iran, fuck persians
KurdishPride952 9 months ago
@KurdishPride952 fuck you,who want to be kurdish, bakhtiaris are persian :)
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd
hahaha, i wish iranian people excluded azeris and kurds, then only monkeys will be left over, man you persians are uglier than monkeys
its only those azeris and kurds and arab of iran that look good. iran will be a monkey land without kurds, azeris, arabs and other non-persian minorities :)
KurdishPride952 9 months ago
@KurdishPride952 hahahah dude, i know that ur jellous at persians, for everything they done in history. kurds wtf are u? there is nothing that is kurds?!:O azeris sure are people they are from azerbaijan, arabs mainly from iraq, but kurds? there is nothing named kurdistan?! :O am i even talking to somebody? because people without country cant speak right? sorry but kurds are very ugly, and are semetic ugly people fuck off jews :)
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Your insults are that of an eight year olds, grow up Poorsian.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@KurdishPride952 and i live in sweden, i see kurds all the time, got kurdish friends, they lived their whole lives in sweden but still they suck at the language, all persians i know speak perfectly swedish they get good grades in school, and generally very educated. persians have been called the best immigrants in several countrys such as USA, we are beautiful we have great history we have the most beautiful language. kurds are shit get a country fags xD bakhtiari pride which is PERSIAN PRIDE!
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Well we got like 20 Persians at our schools, and they have all lived here in Norway their whole life. They don't know how to speak Norwegian, they don't even know how to say hello. We got 50 kurds, and when we were 6 years old, they put us in 10th grade because we were so smart.
You see Poorsian, it is very easy to lie on the internet.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede i know that this is lies, please if ur not lying swear on ur familys life that this is true. if u dont respond more or u dont swear on ur familys lifes u are lying. i know how persians are they do speak norwegian perfectly those that live there. i have relatives there and they are borned there. they speak perfect norwegian. please shut up stupid kurd liar haha.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Er jeg en dum kurder? Engelsken din er forferdelig! Så ikke kall meg dum. Og hvorfor skal jeg sverge på familien min sitt navn? Dette er internett, alle kan lyve. Du mener seriøst at du kjenner alle persere i Norge? Fy faen ..
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede jag vet hur perserna är överhuvud taget... perserna är ett fint folk som anpassar sig till samhället där de lever. I knew that u was lying u fucking dog, all kurds lie all the time.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Påstår du at du kjenner absolutt hver eneste perser i hele verden? Du vet at du høres ut som en arrogant liten kødd? Du vet vell at ¨perserenes land¨ er Islamsk? Der kvinner blir steinet for å ikke gå med hijab?
Så ikke kom og fortell meg masse tull om persere.
I was not lying more than you were, you are a bastard Poorsian who has no facts to back up his bullshit, so you just babble about random shit.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede im not saying i know all persians in the world, i just know how they are as people and that they adapt to societys very good. persians are good people, kurds are too, i know many kurds my best friend is kurdish. but kurds like u and somebody that put up this video is retards that are jellous at persians.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd If you got no facts, or anything else to prove that, then you are wrong. First of all, you insulted Kurds, I did not insult Persians first. I am not jealous of Persians. Kurds made the first Empire in Iran. Four first Shahs in Iran were Kurdish, and we made the Mitra religion. Which was the first monoestic religion in the world.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@iranijd And yes, the maker of this video is not a very smart person. But if you think Lurs are Persian, than you are way more stupid than the maker. Lurs are Medes. Just like Kurds. Kurs, Lurds, Talysh, Bakthiriaris, Balochs and so on, are sub-groups of the Medes.
They are NOT Kurds, or Persians. They are Medes.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede i got facts, why are u saying that bakhtiaris are medes? they are persian, ffs im a bakhtiari myself.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Because they simply are! They are of Median origin, not Persian! And what facts do you have? Do you have statistics over Persians? Do you got statistics over millions of people?
If you are a bakhtiari, then you are a Mede. Just do a DNA test on yourself, and tell me what you get! You are more related to Kurds then to Persians. But you are not a Kurd, you are a Mede.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede dude, i talked to my friends father, hes sorani kurd and he said lors are kurds but bakhtiaris are persian, please stop calling me mede, im persian. did u know that all kurds are persians? its true do a dna test.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Listen, just because you talk to an American doesn't mean that person knows EVERYTHING about American history and origin. Lors and Bakhtiaris are very close related, so how can one be a Kurd and the other be Persian? Don't be silly! They are both Medes, and you should be honoured to be called so! And don't make up fairy tale stories for me. Kurds are related to Persians, but Kurds are not Persians. Why were Kurds stronger than Persians in the start if Kurds are the ¨children¨ of Persian
AryanMede 9 months ago
@iranijd Kurds (Medes) made an empire before the Persians. Persians and Kurds (Medes) have same origin, but saying Kurds are Persians is like saying Jews are Arabs, which is very ignorant. And the fact that you say it, just proves that you're ignorant.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede ur ignorant telling me im kurdish, dude im persian and proud of it. bakhtiaris are indo european people which makes them aryans, we are related to kurds but we arent kurds. bakhtiaris are persian and will forever be.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd NOOO! I did not say you are Kurdish! I said you are a Mede. Kurds are a subgroup of the Medes, just like Lurs, Talysh, Bakhtaris, Baloch and so on! We are like brothers, and Persians are like our cousins!
You can keep on saying Bakthiaris are Persians, but go to any serious Iranic forum and they all agree that they are Medes!
AryanMede 9 months ago
@AryanMede i see myself as persian and so does shahnameh, "In Persian mythology, the Bakhtiari consider themselves to be descendants of Fereydun, a legendary hero from the Persian national epic, Shahnameh." i see medes as my cousins.
iranijd 9 months ago
@iranijd Mytology is not the truth my friend. Bakhtiaris are a part of the Median nation, I don't care if the Persians assimilated you. That's your problem. You can see Medes as whatever you want, I don't mind, nor do I care.
AryanMede 9 months ago
@iranijd Mada Kord nabodan.. The etymology of the word Kord means to wander in mountains
The median people where dominant in progress as Kurds have stayed pastoralists.
Median people called themselfs Aryan.. As well did the people of province Pars
Kurds to stupid for science of history
solo141984 4 months ago
@solo141984 You are the stupid one, learn, read and educate you moron. The Kurds have been there before you dumb ass. Sassanids are our ancestor not your, they are the ones who saved your ass after the collapse of Parthians. And there is not one etymological reference to the word Kurd in the manner that says pastoral, this is a figment of your Persianised-Arabic imagination. You are more Arabs than anything else. Your language has 60 percent Arabic words and vocabularies and you look Indians.
SikismekAtaturk 2 weeks ago
@SikismekAtaturk Sassan your ancestors?? hjahahah you have just made a fool out of yourself and the entire Kurdish knowledge of history.. what do you expect when all your knowledge comes from the local taxidriver or alcohol distributor. The first thing that King Ardashir did was his campaign against the Kurds.. which then were merely mountaindwellers and traitors by blood. This book is called Karnamak-i Ardeshir-i Papakan., (the book of deeds of King ardeshir. Son of papag. Written in pahlavi
solo141984 1 week ago
It is very difficult to talk to psudo-illiterate, as in your case, because you have no sense of what is logical and what is not, you being Indian of origin, as most Persians are given their haplogroup frequency it is difficult because every occupier claims other territories as theirs. Read, learn, use your brain. Research the subject before you write. All Kurds' areas from Hamadan to Luristan through to Kermanshan and beyond are the birthplace of Sasanid and they are still inhabited by Kurds.
SikismekAtaturk 1 week ago
@iranijd bakhtiaries are median mada and kurdish not persian.
MrASHATACK 3 months ago
@MrASHATACK I am baxtiari.. i have nothing in common with the likes of those who conspire together with the Jews and the US to destroy my precious land.
Let it be known that you will fall together with the Israelis
solo141984 1 week ago
@iranijd Baradar Gerami.. Mada nejad Kurd nistand.. Kurd is selfdenotation of it's people but strongly influenced by Iranian culture
Sepas gozaram
Zendebad Iran
solo141984 1 week ago
@solo141984 ً What an illiterate Mongolian turk you are, which book you are reading or perhaps you don't read at all. Take an advice don't delve into things you have no knowledge of.
SikismekAtaturk 1 week ago
@AryanMede dna in you ass.
kurds are mix from persian and arabs.
in 5000 years never read kurdish nation or kurdish teritorium.
arabs persians turkish have long history and teritorium because kurds never have exestict in history and today and future too.
kurds are mixnations and he make today fantasyhistory propaganda for your ego because the realy is kurdsnation exestict not in history and today, this is fact, you can 1000 x write kurds have history but lie is lie.
webbizz88 3 months ago
@webbizz88 Learn English before you attempt writing, and read, research and study history before writing because you really are an embarrassment to human race with this illiterate mind of yours. Kurds have been living in their Kurdistan and Luristan before all the three nations you have described in your less-than-intelligent posting. You are a fake group of people, originally you are Kurds (ask your mother or father about your forefathers and see where they came from: It is Kurdistan.
SikismekAtaturk 2 weeks ago
@SikismekAtaturk I think you ataturk supporter have not done the best choise to support kurdish rights LOL, kurds, persians, armenians, georgians and all indoeuropean peoples are basicly same!
91Musicboy 2 weeks ago
@91Musicboy Actually if you translate the name I've chosen in Google you will find exactly why the second name is put in there. I agree we are all Indo-Europeans.
SikismekAtaturk 2 weeks ago
@AryanMede First of all there was never a difference between the socalled Mada and Persian.. Both denoted themselfs as Aryan..Both migrated from the east.
The Greek sepatarisme and propaganda named the two starting a ethnic difference which during those days was not at hand.
You can try to do the same but you will not succeed. We stick to our roots and proud heritage..
I am baxtiari and proud Iranban..
solo141984 1 week ago
@iranijd Hey, whats the difference between bakhtiaris and lurs?
kiabadie 8 months ago
@iranijd If bakhtiaris are Persian, then Native Americans are also Persian, now go back to your cave and learn history.
AryanMede 9 months ago
the one who sees the Prophet PBH is truthful in their words and by the way my Shaykh is also AwliyaAllah and his Shaykh is the Qutb of this time!
rasheed1660 1 year ago
part1 i dreamt of myself in iraq i see all of iraq and iran and in dream it is saying the faris races of iraq and iran are same as people of the gulf well i came across something after i dreamt this our sunni imam says on a tradition that lud son of shem married shakbah daughter of japheth and the faris race comes from them lud was also the fore father of the amalikites the canaanites the people of oman the gulf egypt hijaz this is in wikipedia! second part below
rasheed1660 1 year ago
and before this i dreamt of lud and his wife and i in dream it is saying we are not semitic and then i am holding lud in my arms like a baby and what imam tabari said is true because the faris is not semitic and also come from him also i dreamt of a fair lady and in dream it is saying the people of gulf and iran are from her and also saying the indians are from the middle east but from someone else an in fact they are from the scythians who are from magog son of japheth.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
the non white kurds do have faris facial features.and the idiot should read more carefully i have seen many iraqi kurds and they look like many persians the only ones who look different even though indo aryan are the punjabis their face is not farsi Lud ibn Shem and his wife Shakbah bint Japheth are the progenitors of the faris races!!!!!!!!
rasheed1660 1 year ago
after the achaemenid was the parthian empire so please give me a break with i am not a faris race thing these are faris kingdoms! the reason i talk the way i do i have seen the Prophet Muhammad more than eight times more i do salawat more i see things in dream form and long time back i dreamt i have farsi bckground even though i am brown Imam Abu Hanifa RA was from Iraq and faris background was dark complexioned check the descriptions of the 4 imams
rasheed1660 1 year ago
The Median homeland, as can be understood through Assyrian sources, was on the northwest bounded to the land of Mannaeans, on the west to Parsua, on the southwest to Ellipi and on the south to Simashki region of the Elamites. The eastern border of the Medes was bounded with Mount Bikni, which modern scholars traditionally identified with Mount Damavand, but in recent decades some scholars tend to identify it with Mount Alvand near Hamadan,
rasheed1660 1 year ago
The Achaemenid Empire (Persian: امپراتوری هخامنشی) (c. 550–330 BCE), also known as the Persian Empire, was the successor state of the Median Empire, ruling over significant portions of what would become Greater Iran. The Persian and the Median Empire taken together are also known as the Medo-Persian Empire, which encompassed the combined territories of several earlier empires.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
one fellow on here is a idiot and talks rubbish there are faris races the persians are not the only faris race moron and also the southern part of india was ruled by the parthians they were called pallavas ! and i told this certain moron i have kurdish heritage my grand dads never looked like europeans they have the black hair more middle eastern features so this idiot stating this and that? i said faris races
rasheed1660 1 year ago
The Muslim historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (c. 915) recounts a tradition that the wife of Lud was named Shakbah, daughter of Japheth, and that she bore him "Faris, Jurjan, and the races of Faris". He further asserts that Lud was the progenitor of not only the Persians, but also the Amalekites and Canaanites, and all the peoples of the East, Oman, Hejaz, Syria, Egypt, and Bahrein.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@rasheed1660 Medes were not fucking persians! Medea were ensembled by many kurdish empires! Lullubians, Hurrians, Gutians, kyrtians, Mittani, Mannea and Elamites. Lullubians existed even before Elamites! So lullubians are not known that they existed before sumerians as first civilisation. But sumerians have the strongest evidences that they were first civilisated! kurdish nomadic ancestors on the mountains founded agriculture, weaving, making pottery, metall works and animal husbandry!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman Bullshit, stop waisting time and energy on something you do not know much about. Kurdish language is an offspring of middle-persian(Pahlavi) language, and became a new idendety during time of Sassanids (Perso-Parthian empire). Middle-persian differs from old-persian because of the parthian eastern iranian influences, also some bactrian, sistani(saka) etc. If you study kurdish language you will find it more related to parthian language rather than median. Balochi is pure parthian!
Kamali22 1 year ago
@Kamali22 Kurds are not descend of Parthian, it's parthian which is descend of kurds, because it's the nomadic kurds who existed over the mountain of Mesopotamia after Adam and Hava borned, many peoples fled to Africa and becamed semitic while the semitic becamed also native in south dessert Mesopotamia. Adam and Hava were the first humans God consided them be humans while many other were Neanderthals. Humans existed as animals before Adam and Eve, humans in America and Africa were neanderthals
1Azadman 1 year ago
@Kamali22 Kurds descend of HUrrians, Abraham loved hurrians, it's hurrian who helpted Abraham with everything Hurrians, Hittites, Elamites, Lullubians, Gutians, Manneans all becamed to one house known as Media. Media becamed later to Cordyene/Cordouchoi under the Roman empire after Media were defeated by Persia. Cordyene means mountains people of Mesopotamia and the name of Cordyene were founded by the Romans who recognized and created Cordyene state under their empire, Today we are Kurdistan
1Azadman 1 year ago
@Kamali22 It's persians who descend from us, we existed long before persians, we are native people over the north Mesopotamia according sumerians. The sumerians recognized kurdish ancestors empire which owned empire over the lands belonged to them, sumerians said also that Gutians ruled over the semitic empires in 200 years, which means Gutians defeated empire of semitic peoples, they are the base people who created the civilisation over Kirkuk. Kurds are native in Kurdistan since Adam and Eve!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@Kamali22 Newroz were founded under Median times, Newroz is the kurdish national day and the holiest day for kurds after the metallworker Kawa defeated the evil ASSyrian king who promissed the kurdish people with give their childreens a paradise while he gaved their brains to his snakes untils Kawa killed him with his hammer Native nomadic Kurds founded agriculture, weaving, making of pottery, animal husbandry and metall works in north Mesopotamia. Media were all mountains people of Mesopotamia
1Azadman 1 year ago
@rasheed1660 you zionist-killer-terrorist;
Who do you serve,Lawrence of ZION ? Over 90% kurds in turkey are muslims,you zionists are swor enemy of Islam and Muslims. You NEVER wave freedom flag for Muslims. There is no such war on terror, BUT there is war on Islam fot terrorist israel, there is war on 1.5 billion muslims for terrorist-israel.Since 1300 years the muslims protected jews from Crusaders BUT when they got their chance these filty jews back-stabbed their own protectors
Azad AL Aqsa
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali hey doe doe head Nabi Musa AS was from Bani Israel and Nabi Isa AS they are Prophets of Allah PBT
and muslims so what the ?
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@rasheed1660 You should go and learn more about kurdish history! You have huge number to know about kurds! You are just a donkey in the dessert who fantisize many donkey things to got youre donkey ideas in free way without any sense. Persians were not media, because persians according Herodotus and Xenofon were enemy of Medes. The assyrians in the west were also enemy of Media. So Media are all kurdish ancestors which were ensembled, Media becamed later the state Cordyene or Cordochoi or Karda.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali and bud i am a muslim indian with sunni iraqi heritage! and in tasawwuf we follow Qadiri Tariqa! what the hell are talking the middle eastern kurds are a faris race who ruled iraq after medes ?
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@rasheed1660 Are you a kind of donkey indian? You don't know any shit of kurdish history! Kurds never descends of fucking India! Kurds existed before even indians since they were neandertales. A neandertale bone is founded in Hewler (Erbil)! Persians did never existed before kurds! Kurds history going back to Adam and Eve. Kurds existed before sumerians as nomadic mountain people the sumerians themself talked about. Sumerians recognized Gutians as native people and their capital were Kirkuk!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali you sure are a ignorant fellow! most of Ambiya AS came from Bani Israel those who believed in them and followed their foot steps were muslims!
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@1Azadman For every1 zionist-israeli that dies at least 350 Semitic-Palestinian civilians die.Nazi-israel steal Palestinian land,water,farms,crops,bulldoze their house,olive trees,imprison,thortue,and kill their relative,starve them,humiliate,them build a WALL around them so they can't get out,then bomb them depleted uranium,Gaza is an openair prison-camp for 1.6 million,half of them children,the WesrBank is APARTHEID Siwiss-cheese.
NAZI-israel is swor enemy of Islam
Go back Europe FAKE jew .
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
part1They conclude that the common genetic background shared by Jews and other Middle Eastern groups predates the division of Middle Easterners into different ethnic groups.
Interestingly, Nebel et al. (2001) also found that the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), considered the most definitive Jewish haplotype, was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews, 7.6% of Ashkenazim, 6.4% of Sephardim, 2.1% of Palestianian Arabs, and 1.1% of Kurds. part 2 below
rasheed1660 1 year ago
The CMH and the most frequent Kurdish haplotype (MKH) were the same on five markers (out of six) and very close on the other marker. The MKH was shared by 9.5% of Kurds, 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, 1.4% of Palestinian Arabs, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim. The general conclusion is that these similarities result mostly from the sharing of ancient genetic patterns, and not from more recent admixture between the groups.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
Haplogroup J2 It is composed of several sub-Haplogroups representing several different countries like Turkey, Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Aegean, Balkan, Italy. One sub Haplogroup M172* is mainly found in the Northern Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean, Iran, Central Asia, and Southern Europe
rasheed1660 1 year ago
. Is is though to have originated in Anatolia (Turkey and Kurdstan) ie North Mesopotamia, and spread to Europe and to other Middle countries like Lebanon Palestine Iraq, Syria. J2 subclades are also found in the South Caucasus (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), Iran, Central Asia, and South Asia: for example, Muslim Kurds (28.4%), Central Turks (27.9%),
rasheed1660 1 year ago
, Georgians (26.7%), Iraqis (25.2%), Lebanese (25%), Ashkenazi Jews (23.2%), Sephardi Jews (28.6%), Iranians (23.3%), Tajiks (18.4%), and Pakistanis (14.7%). J2 is not regularly found in Semitic-speaking populations of Africa, such as the Amhara and Tigrinya in Ethiopia (Semino et al. 2004)
rasheed1660 1 year ago
. However, J2 has been found to encompass several subhaplogroups (22 subhaplogroups, including 5 that have high frequencies) that originated or expanded in different regions: Italy, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia (Turkey and Kurds), the Caucasus (Georgia), and Somalia (see ref: Semino et al. 2004). Haplogroup J2 was used to be considered a genetic marker of Anatolian Neolithic agriculturalists.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
. It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20.6%, Albanians 19.6%) and in southern Italy (16.7-29.1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6.2%, Hungarians 2.0%, Ukrainians 7.3%) and in Southeastern Iranian-speaking areas (Pashtuns 5.2%, Pamiris 6.1%)
rasheed1660 1 year ago
. A significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) was detected in western and south-western India (the highest being 21% among Dravidian middle castes, followed by upper castes, 18.6%, and lower castes 14%; Sengupta et al. 2006).
rasheed1660 1 year ago
"Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe
rasheed1660 1 year ago
These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem. Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
. The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations... Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs."
rasheed1660 1 year ago
In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East( which is not unique to Jews). However, its existence( among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
part1However, one problem with using the CMH is that only about five percent of Jewish men have this haplotype, thus drastically reducing its usefulness. Another problem is that the CMH is also found among a small percentage of non-Jewish men of Middle Eastern heritage.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
.this should be part 2 below is part 3. Nebel et al (2001) found that the CMH was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews, 7.6% of Ashkenazim, and 6.4% of Sephardim, but that it also was found among 2.1% of Palestinian Arabs and 1.1% of Muslim Kurds. The CMH and the most frequent Muslim Kurdish haplotype (MKH) are the same on five markers (out of six) and very close on the other marker.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
part2. The MKH is shared by 9.5% of Muslim Kurds and 1.4% of Palestinian Arabs, but it is also found among 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim.
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@1Azadman why don't you go back to Auschwitz ! you fake jew
Where did you or your parents migrate to Palestine from?
AZAD MESJID AL Aqsa ! from zioNAZI
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali u seem pretty uneducated there person they are close to the semitic jews!from thousands of yrs ago! the jews are not the only ones with the cohen y dna! many iraqi kurds non jew kurds have the cohen y dna as well the kurds are a old farsi race ! not talking about the european kurds the kurds with black hair they look very middle eastern and by the way person after medes who ruled cyrus conquered all of iraq ect
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali u are uneducated imam tabari sunni imam said that lud ibn shem is the progenitor of the faris races ! being from shem does not make the race semitic u moron ! lud married the daughter of japheth her name was shakbah imam tabari is truthful cyrus the great is also from medes fool
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali fool as i stated the jews are not the only ones with the cohen y dna many non jewish kurds in iraq have the cohen y dna as well do your research u will find what i say is right
rasheed1660 1 year ago
God What I does love this luri song! It's so close to my kurdish culture music and it's no diffrent :)
1Azadman 1 year ago
@MrKaffen you zionist pig;
I wonder how many "semitic Palestinian baby" have you killed ???
zionist israeli record of crimes against humanity in last six decedes dosn't leave much room for speculation....
NEVER TRUST ZIONISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali Down with turks! I don't support zionism tww. But I support a homeland for jewish people there they are native. Jews are native in the land known as Israel before moslims. I agree with you zionism must leave the barbaric system against childreens and womeens. Turks claims everyt places in earth belongs to them, the only thing turks need is ensembling in a area there they whant rule without they have any respect of the antive peoples thousands of year history! Death to turks!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali How many kurds have not been killed by turks with ataturkism laws! Many kurds are killed by ataturks laws in Turkey! Death to fucking turks!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@MrKaffen you EVIL-zionists; with masks always hiding behind others to ;
Divide and Conguer !
Down with real NAZI !
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali Down with turks! Down with Ataturk! Down with Turkey and Long Live Kurdistan and Israel. Israel is Long live as Kurdistan. Israel is the best state in Midle east today and kurds will make that stronger in Midleast!
MrKaffen 1 year ago
@AnadoluHilali Islam allow Jihad without suicide! Jihad must be perform without suicide, killing childreen, womeens and hurt food and other biological phenomenons wich is needed, Alqaida use method against islam. Islam allow studies to come closer Gods art behind everything does exist! Kurds have right to protect their native land and ruling their own land! After all Salahodin done for arabs, arabs claims kurds be satanic people despite kurdish culture is not forbidden by God! Death to Turkey!
1Azadman 1 year ago
the TITLE is a JOKE .. LOL if lURS ARE kURDS WHY DO THEY NEED SUBTITLE?
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal According DNA lurs are medes! Medes were not persians, because persians were much more dark than medes. Lurs have their own dialect like Zazaki kurdish and other kurdish dialect wich spell with latinian alphabet while there is dialects wich spelling with arabic alphabets. Laki lurs considing them as the most kurds than ever wich they are loved and they love the other kurdish dialects of groups and everything! Lurs are kurds.
Lurs are among the kurds with dialect dependence by them
MrKaffen 1 year ago
@danielkachal Again. Kurds according archeologists and Iranologists that Medes are mixed with the kurds and medes is one part of ancestor to kurds. The orginial medes is founded to be a part of kurdish blood while there is other ancestor to kurds wich existing in the kurdish blood. None of the kurdish ancestors are semitic and semitic blood will never be a part of kurdish blood! You know the ASSyrians and their realtions like chaldean are not kurds. They live as gypsies all over Kurdistan
MrKaffen 1 year ago
@danielkachal I really hate gyspies like ASSyrians who becamed kicked out by arabs fom their native homeland! We have plains of their fucking heart Nineveh there they can live with autonomus as dogs without they move and live among kurds with their arab related culture! The fucking turks will not exist, they have to be assimilated to learm kurdish language and culture without they became any ancestor to kurds and without they have the breath to bring their culture and capture the kurdish culture
MrKaffen 1 year ago
@Thashiznitov1 zionists are always thirsty for human blood .
the whole world is oppressed by zionazi.
AnadoluHilali 1 year ago
In The Name of IRAN
Dear Kurdish Pride ofcours we have the same blood and are IRANIAN (ARYAN).
We are Lor and of cours Persian look at our dialect and Clothing. A potato will lough at you that you are claiming the Lor's are kurdish..By the way it is PERSIAN GULF..
Long Live our Mother Land IRAN
rustamfarokhzad 1 year ago
@rustamfarokhzad "Mother Land IRAN"
Are you joking or something ?
Thashiznitov1 1 year ago
LORS BAKHTIATIS AND LAKS ARE 1000000000000% Kurdish! and KURDISTAN IS TO THE GULFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF It is whole of Zagros to the GULFFFFFFFFFFF GULF GULF
xSouthxKURDISTAN 1 year ago
Lors are Persian not Kurdish the reason is their language LOL .
danielkachal 1 year ago
Lors are Persian not Kurdish
danielkachal 1 year ago
i have seen a lori wedding video and for sure their traditions are kurdish! i have never seen persians dancing in gowend but they do like kurds.
dataman121 1 year ago
Lurs are KURDS and KURDISTANI
xSouthxKURDISTAN 1 year ago
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Dumbass cock sucker. Lurs speak a Persian dialect you stupid goat fucking Kurdish sub-human. 78% of Luri consists words from Pahlavi middle-Persian. You Kurdish cavemen have no history or culture so you try to steal others.
Pathetic monkeys.
persiandudeee 1 year ago
hahah what a bull shit .... Who said lurs are Persian ? Lurs are IRANIAN just look at the clothes that they wear . ..look at the language ... look at where they live ...... IRANIAN are NOT just Persian .. Persian are one of the Iranians ... EVEN KOROSH(Cyrus the great ) was half Persian and half Median ... THATs why The land is called Iran by its native people not Perisa....
danielkachal 1 year ago
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persiandudeee 1 year ago
Lor is kurd in orgin i guess :)
xoxo383 2 years ago
JUST look at the clothes they wear ... their language and even where they are located ... if lor are Kurd then Persians are Kurd too :)))))))
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Persians are not kurds by blood!!
Lors are kurds by blood and culture!
Kurds ahev sumerians as their first ancestor via Gutians!
Kurdish blood is mosr importnat blood wich is survivng today!
Sumerians blood is survivng in the kurdish blood!
Dont think sumerians were semitic people, they was not semitic or Indoerupean. The only kurds are related with persians is via Medes and some other ancestor!
But kurds are diffrents!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman LOL where is your DNA test .. How can you prove that ? Lors are Persian by blood and culture and race and language .... Go enjoy your life with SUMMERIAN and other people's BLOOD ...LOL if you are Summerian then your SEMETIC which means your ARAB ..LOL you can talk about Kurds becasue of you\r Kurd ...but Lors are ARYAN and are pure so don't make them a Mixed people
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Sumerians are not semotic people. Go and read about them!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman same race fool faris races
rasheed1660 1 year ago
@danielkachal Kurdish blood by Eurpeans and western archeologists have sumerians blood survivng! The evidences of Gutians show that Gutians kings ahd sumerians name. That mean the hole origin of Gutians is sumerians.
Kurds first ancestor is sumerians via Gutians. Archeologists believes that kurdish ancestor founded agriculture, metallworks, weaving, making pottery, alphabets, animal husbandry, and much more foundations!
God bless Kurdistan and all part of the Kurdistan.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman keep your ARABIC/African/jew for your self .... have fun with Gutians and others .... i wonder how Kuzestani people and souther Iraqi people think of KURDS.. for GOD sake Arab people live were Summer was not Kurds.... GOD bless Iran and IRanian ( Persian,Lor,Kurd,Azeri,Baluch,....)
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Arabs live everywere! They thieved all the land wich they are majority in Mesopotamia today! Arabs existed just 1000 B.C , while sumerians existed 3000 B.C
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman ARABS are semetic ..and Sumerian are semetic too , so they are the same
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Sumerians was not semitic people! THey was first civilisated in earth!
There is proven by archeologists that sumerians was first civilisated people
Semitic peoples are thise who ruling in land wich was not established by them!
Sumerians established the first civilisation in their land and they was first civilisated people in earth! Sumerians was a native people!
Turks are semitic in Turkey, Azerbadjan and lot of countries like arabs!
Turks are native people in Mongolia.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal By many fact, sumerians are ancestor to kurds via Gutians. Gutians was first nomadic people in mount Zagros, many sumerians peoples moved from land of Sumerians to Zagros, thats because barbaric akkadians ruled over states wich was not established by themself. Gutians had kings with sumerians names, they lived in mount Zagros, but the kings of Gutians had sumerians names, That means sumerians themself created the base of Gutians! Gutians lived in mount Zagros!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal The suemrians relation elamites lived in Khuzestan. Sumerians lived in southern Iraq! Assyrians, arabs and turks are semitic peoples.
Assyrians ancestor is akkadians. they conquested the land of sumar, then just Gutians were survivng on the mountian of Zagros! Sumerians established the first civilisation in earth, Gutians have sumerians roots! Their kings had sumerians anmes, thats mean the kings was sumerians! Assyrians are semitic people and they existed before arabs.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman you are wrong about a lot of things.. first ELAM civilization is older than sumar.. secondly ELAM and SUMAR are historic civilization , but other unknown civilizations existed around the world way before Sumar (EX burnt city in Iran which dates back to 5000 BC (check googel ))...BTW you can't just choose your ancestors LOL if you continue this way , Persians can be ancestors of Kurds too ..BTW TURKS are not SEMETIC
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Kurds have many ancestor, they are mixed people with Gutians, medes, kyrtians, manneans, mitanni, meitini. Sumerians are ancestor to kurds via Gutians. The origin of the Gutians kings was sumerians.
So the hole base of Gutians is sumerians.
Arabs invaded lot of nations states during the time of islam borned!
Jews are not semitic in Jerusalem, if they are semitic, then christians are also semitic, jews are not a people. Jewish is about religons, Adolf Hitler was jeloues of Jews!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Today, there is known that sumerians was first civilisated people, They also founded "agriculture", "metallworks", "weaving", "making pottery", "animal husbandry" and lot of foundations!
They founded agriculture near the Tigris and Euphratied rivers, their soil was from the mountain somewere in Diarbekr in Kurdistan region of Turkey!
Arabs existed just 1000 years B.C while sumerians around 5500-5000 B.C.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal So the europeans did same with peoples from India, there is many canibal people in India wich is living in isolated areas! So there is prooved that every humans foundations camed from Sumerians! Sumerians are facinating people, there is difficult to know were sumerians founded all their foundations, there is known that mountain of Zagros was the holiest area for humans civilisations. It was in mountains of Zagros and other placed in Kurdistan there they taked the soil from.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Arabs didnt existed when land of sumerians were invaded and taked by Assyrians! Summerians offspring Gutians survived in the Zagros mountains. Akkadians was enemy of Gutians, they conquested land of sumerians and all their states when they created "assyrian empire". Assyrians anhilated the sumerians in their base homeland. Just the Gutians defeated them, Gutians are descendant of sumerians!
Arabs didnt existed when the sumerians land were taken by semitic ASSyrians!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman if you really want to understadnd who is the main ancestor of KURDS, you have to look at their Language and culture .. which are both Iranian ( language is Indo-Eurapoean (AZADMAN means free man) and they share a massive cultural symbols with other iranians ) BTW ARABS are semetic so they are related to all semetic people and all have the same roots (Jews are semetic too BTW)
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Adolf Hitler killed jews, because the jewish was rich and they owned the baks, the jews whanted all people be jewish, Hitler killed them because he said that jes killed Jesus, jews tooked their money and lot of other excuses against jewish poor people!
Elamites was sumerians related, the archeologists believes that elamites was close related with sumerians. Akkadians had no land, so Assyrians conquested their land and ruled over mesopotamia despite they was semitic people.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Some of the kurdish ancestors are related with other iranians groups. All kurdish ancestor becamed mixed, none of the kurdish ancestors was enemy against each other and they was also not semitic people at all.
Azad is a name wich camed from India, I know it. My name is Azad, thats about when south Kurdistan becamed free and had safeheaven from US and Russia, then kurds in southern Kurdistan was independence and I get may name "Azad" since 1991!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal When the Europeans founded "Amerika", there was just nomadic peoples without any kings! The American native people was not civilisated at all!
Europeans was christians and they learned everything from Midle east.
Peoples in southern part of Africa was also not civilisated, they acted like preadtor animals, they was also canibals. The Europeans was like us Midleast people, they used the africans such as they did with animals, because they was animals like lions or every predator!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Why dont you understand what I mean? !!
I whant tell you that sumerians was a native people who established the first civilsations.
I dont have founded this history, this is a history wich archeologists know with evidences they have founded.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman I have also heard about the root of kurdish history!
Kurdish history began with Gutians/sumerians. You are right, Gutians were created by sumerians, the kings had sumerians origin/root. I have also heard that archeologists belives that with evidences that kurds have the root of sumerians. Brother, ofcourse kurds ancestors are not semitic. They are all native people in the area of Kurdistan.
Im proud kurdish jew, our greate ancestor "medes" protected jews from barabric fucked assyrians
MrKaffen 1 year ago
@danielkachal Im muslim! But Im muslim because I hate arabs. Islam recognize that God hated arabs so God sended arabs own prophet to get the fucking barbaric semitic arabs be understanded even from GOD!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Sorry, Sumerians existed 5000 B.C while arabs existed 1000 B.C !
Again, Kurds are and becamed mixed people with all their ancestors Sumerians, Gutians, Elamites, MEDES, Mitanni, Meitiene, Kyrtians and manneans.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Im agree that kurds are most related to other Iranians today. Assyrians are related by some of the part of the kurdish culture, thats because sumerians was first civilisated people! The kings was diffrent, Assyrians are proved to be semitic, because they conquested states wich was already established by other people like sumerians for example! ASSyrians history is not a part of kurdish ancestors. Their ancestors was in conflict with the kurdish ancestors all the time!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal The automous of Northen Kurdistan also going to have EU membership or even they must have right to everything in kurdish region part of Turkey!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Do you know why persians cant be a part of Kurdistan? Because persians have not kurdish blood. Persians didnt existed before kings. The persians kings was enemy of all kurdish ancestor, persians kings was worst against medes!
kurds are a mixed nation with the root of Sumerians via Gutians!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman LOL who said Persians want to be part of Kurdistan ? LOL Kurds can be part of Iran... BTW who said Persian kings were enemy of Medes ? wasn't Cyrus half persian and half Medes? or DID any thing happened to Medes during Persian empires? as it's Medes were one of the biggest Family of Iranian... BTW there is no Kurdish Blood as you said "kurds are a mixed nation ".. and at the end that was MEDES who destroyed Assyrians( it had control of Summer) who some Kurds clime to be their ancestor
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Assyrians was semitic people, Sumerians was not semitic people.
Medes is not only kurdish ancestor. Befire, medes there was a kurdish ancestor "Kardouchian or land of Karda!, The first kurdish history began with Gutians. Gutians kings had sumerians name. Assyrians conquested lad of sumar, they did sumerians be gone. But the origin of Gutians is sumerians, because the kings was from sumerians, that mean the hole base of Gutians is sumerians!
Sumerians is kurds ancestor via gutians!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman LOL Summerian aren't SEMETIC ? LOL you need to read hoistory or at least search it in google before writing .."The term "Sumerian" is the common name given to the ancient inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia, Sumer, by their successors, the Semitic Akkadians" <=WIKI
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Sumerians are not semitic, they ws first civilisated people!
Go and read about them you, not me!
Lurs using kurdish culture and everything. They speak one of the kurdish dialects!
Persians look like indians. Their faces is black, kurds faces is not black.
You know what? Because of the feyli kurds in Iraq speak arabic, they are not arab because they speak arabic. They are prouf kurdish
There is one more thing, sumerians is world most important and holiest people!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Kurds existed with suemrians as the first ancestor, why shiuld kurds be a part of Iran? Its Iran which should be part of Kurdistan. Its in the kurdish blood the sumerians blood survivng today! Gutians, elamites, hurrian, medes, mittani are all ancestor to kurds. There is more kurds living than persians. Kurds are about 40 million, while persians are about 35 million. If all part of Kurdistan was Iran, then kurds was the majority in Iran.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman LOL man 35 million Persian hmm haven't you count Persian in Afghanistan, Tajikestan,Pakistan,UAE and other countries? according to wiki Persian are 75 Milion which is more than Turks ... your just counting Iran ( which is still more than 40 million) .. BTW according to wiki Kurdish people are 28 million ..which means Persian are majority
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Pakistan are indians! Afghanistan are chinese and turkmens, they just speak persians, they are not persians!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Kurds in Iran is about 15%. Its about 12 million. In whole Iran, kurds are 15 million. North Khorasan is also kurdish.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman according to University of Columbia .. Kurds are 7% in iran ( 2006) and Persian are 63 % ... if you want the source i'll send you the web page ..
danielkachal 1 year ago
@danielkachal Kurds in Iran is 15% Were are you sleeping! Kurds are 12 million in the Kurdistan regions in Iran! And 15 million in whole Iran!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@danielkachal Why should kurds be a part of IRan. Cyrus mother was kurdish! Thats because Cyrus mother was daughter to the evil kurdish king Zuhak!
Zuhak had two daughters, one of them married with babylionian princes, she was evil. The other married with persian, she had good heart! Cyrus mother is daughter to the king who een killed by Kawa Asingar! Newroz is kurdish, because the evil kung Zuhak was kurd!
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman WTF .. we are talking about History ..not some old stories ( whic in persian Kawa is Persian and others too ) and Newroz is Iranian ( for all persians,Kurds,Baluch,Azeri,Lor...) BTW if kurds are Seummerian then they must be Semetic and ARAB.. now your connecting ARABS to ARYANs ( MEDES) LOL man .. MEDES Kings were ARYAN and had no Semetic blood ..
danielkachal 1 year ago