@qaz00 Yea where is the proof of this? Where did you get this information from? Please provide a PROPER source, that's scientific like the information in this video, it's got actual scientists. Please no this one said this and this one said that bullshit from some article.
2) How the so called radar speed guns measure pace?
3) What was the number of images taken by "high speed camera" ?
please don't give any link of blog, please provide the name of any peer reviewed journal that talk about these, or instrument manual..or tell "go and do research"..it seems people did lot of research here already :)
remember those days they were timed at the batsmen and not at the point of release as it is for lee n akthar. on an avg the ball loses arnd 15kmph thro drag in the air n wicket. so we know now how quick these blokes really were.... amazing stuff!!!!
@enkay78 if your implying that jeff tohmpson bowled up to 175kmh you are clearly delusional! his fastest was about 160... leave it at that don't try and exaggerate his pace
hey asrarulhaq2002 it is not acknowlegded by many people sami's 102 mph delivery because it was a mistake by speed gun nowadays modern speed guns are used
@vijayp63 You should read about Javagal Srinath. One ball that he bowled during the 1996 tour of South Africa measured 156 km/h (97 mph). He also clocked 154.5 km/h (96.0 mph) at the 1999 World Cup.
@vijayp63 dude grow the F up, vegetarian or not he was a hell of a bowler. He wasnt picked for his pace, but rather for his ability to move and cut the ball both ways. On his good days he made the best batsmen in the world dance around. And FYI if ur under the impression that eating meat makes u a faster bowler, then u don't know first thing abt bowling. Too much muscle can def hinder you frm bowling fast. And this is coming frm a guy who eats meat 6 times a day and body builds.
just luk at all these bowlers from the 70's,their actions so untidy. compare them to lee or akhtar.u can easily say who is faster.
i think the reason why the bowlers from the 70's and 80's were hyped so much of being fast was cos the pitches back then used to be a lot quicker and their was'nt enough protective gear available for example no helmets.also basman didnt have bowling machines to practise against pace
@ayc3093 are you serious? lillee had the greatest action ever and thompson had a deadly whipping action because he hid the ball from batsman behind his back...i can bet you ponting, tendulkar, cook etc would be shit scared to face them now...even with the equipment we get nowadays.
Thomson is regarded by most who count to be as quick as anyone has ever been.
The difference in measuring speed is the main issue. In these tests, the speed was calculated at the batsmans crease. Today, with the speed gun, the speed is taken from release by the bowler. A huge diference when taken over 22 yds and a balls rate retarding after bouncing.
i dont know how many times i have to keep saying this,the speed was recorded out of the bowlers hand
thomson recorded 160.45 kmh out of the hand and 128kmh onto the bat,because the ball was short pitched.
this next fastest was 159.49 kmh and onto the bat at 138kmh.it is sooo unscientific to record bowlers fastest balls at the batsmens end because of the effect the pitch has on the speed of the ball.
i am not wrong,i have contacted dr frank pyke,who did the timing,and also photosonics,the makers of the high speed cameras.the speeds are featured in dennis lillee's book "the art of fast bowling"
@JohnS1704 Actually he's right although the misunderstanding you've arrived at is an easy mistake to make & not uncommon. I've done some pretty deep research on this too & commented re this issue on the vid Jeff Thomson bowling 1.
What the hell 142kph by jeff and 130kph by dennis, i thought these guys were quick, just goes to show that fast bowlers in the 70s and 80s are overrated
@shiv100p Are you sure you watched the whole vid.? Thomson recorded 160 k & Lillee 154. You seem to have picked out their slowest speeds from the net session only.
Yeah as far as consistentcy in speed goes over a career Aktar was the standout. Thommo was never able to replicate that sheer speed again after the shoulder injury. Don't think though that I don't rate Aktars speed, he was great to watch
@AIMANALI I think it was because he was so unorhtodox, made him hard to play. In a similar way to Shaun Tait, he could bowl some junk but if you are bowling at 160k and getting outswing or inswing, you wouldn't be fun to bat against...particuarly without helmets. I suppose the question should be asked, how scary would have Aktar been bowling in the 70s?
I tend to trust a wicketkeepers point of view when it comes to speeds of fast bowlers ( and Marsh was adamant Thommo was scary) so for out and out quickest my vote would go to Thommo, though based on the parametres that you put down in your list for quickest in career, then Shoab Aktar would win based on Thommo losing speed after the shoulder injury.
@bannedspencer part : so you saying that for one two seasons Thommo was faster than any but as far as consitency Akhtar (over a career) was the quickest. Is that what you are saying ? Here is an interesting observation: In a game against India in India Akhtar was bowling and Tony Grieg was commenting. the wicket keeper was standing so far back that I was almost shocked. keeper was taking the ball literally over his head. After like 2 overs Tony Grieg commented "look how far he is standing"
@MrAndyroberts1 part 2: ..& look were he took the ball. THAT IS HOW FAR I HAVE SEEN A KEEPER STAND". now Greig played against thommo & Holding at their quickest. In fact he was batting in the spell that Imran said was the fastest he ever faced or saw (& also commented on the keeper standing way back). I went years just denying Akhtar the honor of placing him with thommo & Holding BUT if I am truthful than man he is up there with ANY. Lille, who is always honest it seems, says thommo was quicker
I played a charity match against Thommo in England last year. He was still bloody quick and bowling away swingers. After the game he invited me to his table in the drinks tent and allowed me to interview him for my local cricket club video. Never have I met a man who was so charming and kind. He was quite happy to chat for an hour or two whilst we slowly got sozzled under the white of the tent canopy. Lovely memories of a lovely man. Cheers Thommo.
thomo was captain against on one of the tour games in the west indies.the team assembled around him before the first ball."O.K. guys,who wants to be 1st slip?"
look at the inconsistencies ....in 1977 Andy roberts and holding were 150 and 148...also the rest. just three years later when holding and thommo were at there peak they measured a lot less in speed. to many inconsistencies....
@AIMANALI I know what you mean but it was a 40 degree day. Not exactly fun to be bowling fast in those temps. Whilst bowling in the low 140s high 130s doesn't seem express, I'm certain it was when you weren't wearing a helmet
@bannedspencer Exactly here is my take on all this ...consistency in speed count.....many have been fast on their day or season but few have been the quickest over a career. In that aspect here is my list: Shoiab, Thommo and Holding - in no particular order. The rest follow. I seriously could be wrong but that is my list.
@AIMANALI Everyone would debate the order and all have valid reasons for why they were right. Pretty certain there would be few doubting the three you have chosen though
@bannedspencer Ok. Than you tell me your opinion please. What is your list. This particular doc. in my opinion was biased. Many have called Thommo and Holding the quickest (even in this doc. Greig and Ian said that) and yet there was one 1.5 sec clip of Holding, yet a zillion clips of Holding. I found that strange .
@heathirving Why are you calling me name- grow up. These guys were bowling as fast as they could. My only point is that these are Hugh differences and these speeds can not be compared. Another joke is that Thommo was 20 kmp faster than Akhtar - lol. Oh, in that case most of the fastest 10 bowlers of 70s were faster than Akhtar. NOW THAT is a funny.
They measure speed now, only for the first 5ft out of the bowlers hand. The ball is measured approx. 14 times in that period and a speed taken. However, the ball hitting the pitch slows the ball approx. 10%. Back in the 70's when Thommo got measured at 100mph - that was timed at the batsman's end, after the ball had bounced and travelled that distance. So add that 10% and his speed is around 110mph. And that was not under match conditions with adrenalin. No-one comes close.
@69Ocker where do you get this stuff from?..im an engineer and work with this sort of thing regularly and am also a cricket fan and i would suggest that you dont have this correct as there are nocitable differences in bowling speeds published these days when comparing a ball that is a yorker or full toss to those of a ball that pitches- suggesting that the measured speed does in fact include the entire length of the pitch..not the first "5 feet"- no one works over "feet" these days..
@rcaddict72 very easy to say that you are an engineer that does pace bowling speed tests and we should all take your word for it. obviously the ball is a hell of a lot faster 5ft from the hand, than it is after hitting ground and travelling the length of the pitch. If you search you-tube you will find the info that backs my comments up. If you really worked in this field you also would know how it is currently measured. Even the likes of Imran Khan has backed up what I have said here
@rcaddict72 i also did not say that it is measured 5ft from the hand - read what I said son. I said that within the first 5ft, it is measured approx 14 times and that is how they compute bowling speed. How batsmen face a bowler from 5ft away??
@69Ocker in addition this doesnt make engineering sense as the speed "5 feet" from release would be approx the same as the speed of the hand at release..meaning its easier to measure the hand itself. to be able to measure 5 feet- when the ball can be travelling along different paths relative to horizontal will yield large errors. id be very keen to see the details of these tests you are citing..it just doesnt add up.
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP Nah, Kapil could throw down quickly when the moons aligned, Javagal Srinath too (probably consistently quicker then Kapil) but....yeah, neither were at the Holding, Roberts, Marshall, Lillee & Thomson speed.
Good bowlers though & Kapil was one of the great cricketers.
@ragers66 What made Kapil a great cricketer was probably his ability to be accurate bowl after bowl. This proves that being fast isn't important in taking wickets. But yeah...Lethal fast bowlers are entertaining...so are leg spinners...but never medium pacers.
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP Haha, agree on the medium pacers, unless they can consistently swing it like Damian Fleming, otherwise there's not a great deal of redeeming features.
Ah well, you need them to make up the numbers and give the quicks a rest! & hopefully they can bat a bit too...
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP being fast is not the only thing. Swing is not the only thing etc etc...it is a combination of all...some have more of one and less of other. At the end it is performance and kapil did delivery no doubt.
@ragers66 On any day, Srinath was at least a couple of yards quicker than Kapil. He was a genuinely quick bowler with the ability to let one zip off the pitch with that shoulder action. Before his rotator cuff injury especially. Kapil, although a better bowler, would be classified as a fast-medium swing bowler. He had a better work ethic than Srinath for sure and was more gifted in swing and variations.
@Imrankniazi Oh yes! Kapil was good at everything on a cricket pitch & he made it look so easy. A fierce competitor and one of the great quartet of all rounders from that era....Kapil, Hadlee, Botham & Imran.
I'd say the fastest ever is Frank Tyson. He is said to have once bowled a ball that the umpire did not see through the air! And this the umpire said himself.
@samsharpeye im with u all along, but the part in which u mention about improving, not every aspect of this game is. Yes, the athletic part obviously has by which i refer to the fielding. But look at the batting - the protective gear belittles the batsman's actual persona. The bowling - every quick bowler is out for injuring atleast 4-5 times in his career and even the grounds are getting smaller by the year:)
I'm a bit dubious of whether these 70's onwards quicks were as quick as most fast medium bowlers today, I.E 85mph (140ish) plus. In all sports, athletes improve: Footballers, cricketers, sprinters, tennis players... They all get better, all more physically fit, and especially now that bio mechanics is used to change the way sportsmen do things. However that bouncer at 2 20 looks very rapid. I mean quick!!! and by the way don't listen to old test players, they don't want to belittle their era!
thommo is possibly the greatest man in the history of man kind. "when over there and won it, wasnt even playing, all i had been doing was sittin on my backside drinkin beer and i went over and won it".
The most amazing thing that emerges from this footage, is, if you use your imagination and think back to pre-helmet days, I.e. before 1975, players like bradman, hammond and a whole host of others would score double and tripple hundred not just againt obviously sizzilinglyquick bowlersbut on uncovered wickets...Brave, brave souls who would face hours of possibly fatal deliveries.
I bet he bowled 170kph at his prime lol fuckin fast. i faced 160kph in the bowling machine and u gotta basically play your shot before u see the ball lol.
@hawty0boy Oh yeah, Thommo was the fastest I've ever seen. Probably hit 165kph or maybe 170kph because of that big arc he had in preparation and release. Express pace gave the bowlers better results than it would today, as batsmen were so poorly protected, they often play rash shots in absolute fear.
Thommo was definately the fastest bowler of all time. Not a disciplined, highly paid athlete like the guys we have today. Just raw talent who turned up for the game and scared the fuck out of the best batsmen in the world and had a few beers after stumps. He was the quintessential Aussie and my boyhood hero. Though Lillee is remembered as the great fast bowler of the seventies and rightly so; Thommo will always be the greatest cricket legend in my books!
@vincerjn And I have a quote from Lillee in one of my books that Thommo was the only bowler he would happily play second fiddle to in his peak. Lillee rated him as the most lethal and unplayable bowler ever. Its a shame there aren't more vids of him tearing into batsmen. Clive Loyd rates him as the fastest ever, I think. I remember so clearly how much damage he did in the 70s, like it was yesterday.
That's a legit delivery. It looks like he bended his elbow in the "opposite direction". The "chucking problem" is to prevent a bowler from giving extra power from jerking the elbow. Take a look at the arm angle during delivery, of the bowlers who face objections. You'll see the difference.
thomson likes to believe he was the fastest and he loves to tell everybody everytime he gets the oppurtunity he was just over RATED yes he was fast but not the quickest i bet a bowler does seem faster when his bowling at batsmen without helmets and theres a real risk of them going in to a coma! can you imagine aktar and lee bowling at batsmen without and guards all over there bodies! and no wonder he was the fastest thomson was bowling beamers!
Yes, he was great at home, Nz and Eng but he hardly played in the sub-continent and Windies!
He played 3 matches in Pak and averaged a whopping 101.00, 1 in SL with an average of 35.66 and just 1 in the Windies where he bowled 32 overs for 132 runs, no wkts taken.
Macgrath without a doubt is Aus best fast bowler of all time and at least he had the guts to go to the Sub-continent and the Windies!
@TheFreeForever that is not fair. Lille is regarded as the best even by other bowlers of his time. As far as the Pakistan incident - there is a huge story behind that. He did bowl well on all conditions - West Indies had slow wickets for example...and he bowled just as well in the 2nd season of the Kerry packer which was in the Windies he really was great.
@eusebium7 Yes, but it was not officially added to the rule books until 1980. Otherwise, most of the deliveries shown in the video would have been no-balls.
@MrRdeboy Curtly was around 138 - 141 but he never bowled at his quickest all the time so he probably was like 146 or something. I know cause I have seen the recordings. Clark was even quicker than marshall.
@AIMANALI Cool. The fact that the Windies could churn out speedsters almost at will just defies belief. I wish I could see some more like them nowadays :(
I'm not saying that Lillee and Thomson were ineffective. In fact, they were very effective. However they both violated cricket rules of the time which stated that the arm is not allowed to straighten from the horizontal to release. By pausing the video you can clearly see that the arm is bent before release and becomes straight at release.
@ihamoitc2005 hyperextension would only be a problem to the law if it was present when the arm is level with the shoulder; it always happens much later and thus it's not relevant.
Rubbish. Any extension that occurs once the arm is above the shoulder, regardless of when the bending occured, was, according to the old rules, illegal. There was no allowance for "hyper-extension" or caveats relating to when the bending occured. The law was only concerned with the actual extension. According to the old law, Thomson and Lillee were chuckers. That and the fact that McGrath and Lee had 12+ degrees of extension was why the law was changed.
That's a legit delivery. It looks like he bended his elbow in the "opposite direction". The "chucking problem" is to prevent a bowler from giving extra power from jerking the elbow. Take a look at the arm angle during delivery, of the bowlers who face objections. You'll see the difference.
Freeze the video at 0:36 and enjoy the 15 degree angle on Lillee's arm as it nears the highest part of the action.
Freeze the video at 4:09. You can see Thomson sporting a nice 25 degree angle on his arm just before release.
When it became clear that the human eye couldn't pick up shady bowling actions accurately, ICC did a full investigation including analysis of past bowlers. This is the real reason why they changed the chucking law.
I am not saying that Thomson was chucking intentionally. In fact, it looks very much like the hyper-extension that also afflicts Akhtar. Due to extremely flexible joints, the force of arm movement causes the elbow to stretch backwards unnaturally.
Lillee, on the other hand, definitely has a kink starting from when his arm is at the horizontal and all the way through the arc until it reaches it's peak and then straightens through delivery. Intentional? No. But it's there.
@ihamoitc2005 i disagree with your comment about thommo. it appears to me that his arm bends after he releases the ball....in fact i am certain now that is the case. with his bowling action i can't see how it would be possible to get a 25 degree angle.
holding was very very fast....he didn't 'whispering death' as a nickname for nothing lol
andy roberts was scarey....just got to look at the replay when he clocked david hookes. they were all great fast bowlers.
imran in an interview said that the ball that he bowled @ 139 kmph in fastest bowling contest was with his old action.when he changed his bowling action then he said that he used 2 touch 145,146kmph....but he claimed that holding and thompson were quicker than him.and thompson was the quickest bowler @ that time much quicker than holding............
@junoon1856 I am not sure that Imran would ever say that Thommo was ever quicker than Holding. Imran has always said that the fastest spell (&bowler) he ever faced was from Holding. His description of the spell was exciting to read. Also that he found it hard to believe that ANYONE has ever been quicker than Holding at his quickest.
Do you have that interview when Imran spoke of his speed with the new action etc
@AIMANALI no man i dnt have that interview....but he realy said that thommo was the quickest bowler @ that time...it was an interview telecasted on ptv..un4tunately idnt have that........
@junoon1856 Interesting...I know he rates Holding as the quickest ("I would go with Holding" is what he said in terms of speed in his book) but it could see what he meant as far as the competition since in that contest Tommo was the quickest. here is another thing - my opinion - i really feel that Aussie media back in 70s was racist and that could have played against Holding (I am not talking about the players mind you)....I have reasons to believe that.
@AIMANALI Australians idolised the West Indies in the 70s. Especially us kids. The kids I played with actually had West Indies cricketers as bigger heroes than the Australian ones. Viv Richards and Michael Holding were gods.
This is the way I see it. Andy roberts and thomson were measured in the 150s kms in ONE test and this is the speed measurement that is generally considered slower than todays (meaning that the way the speed is NOT from the hand as it is today). than it stands to reason that if measured through many tests using todays methods - the speed would be a lot quicker than 160. This was Holdings FIRST series and he was considered as fast as Jeff. Actually according to some consistently quicker than any.
@MrAIMANZUL Yep...Silent Death Holding was fabulous. Such a relaxed bowling run-up and action. I always got the impression that he was bowling with-in himself and could have bowled a lot quicker if he'd put in the effort of,say, Lillee...who ALWAYS bowled like his life depended on it.
Even though AkhtarI is the only bowler clocked at 100 mph, I don't think there's much doubt that Thompson was bowling faster than that back in 73, before the injuries piled up. I read Rodney Marsh's book some time back, and he reckoned that Thompson,on occasion, was bowling at 180kmph! (almost 112mph!) Seems incredible,I know, but that means Thommo was much, much quicker than Akhtar.
@MrAIMANZUL I'll have to dig it out. It's a good read, and funny. Marsh, like all wicketkeepers, had a good perspective of the Aussie bowlers speed, because during an innings he faced EVERY ball. Now most of the experts would agree that Lillee was bowling at the high 90's mph....and if Marsh says that Thommo was much faster than Lillee...then you have to take it seriously.
yea Thommo prolly had the fastest average speed for a bowler during that time period only Andy Roberts Shaun Tait Brett Lee Shoaib Akhtar Michael Holding and maybe Waqar younis in his younger days and of course Lillie could claim to be true express pace bowlers bowling at least 145-150 constantly
@shahidafridi6 Ian Bishop was very quick for a short while. Mike Procter was reputed to be greased lightning quick in county cricket. Then you also have men like Patterson, Sylvester Clarke and Croft. Throw in Roy Gilchrist and Frank Tyson from the earlier days. It's really difficult to put down a finger on ONE bowler who was the fastest of all time.
If absolutely forced to pick one, I'd say Mike Holding was the quickest for a longer period than the rest. Quite subjective, of course!
mate they have to check for no balls because if your foot is over the crease you are bowling at a smaller distance and at that pace it can make ur speed record at more than 5-10 kmph than it actually is.
I think they recorded the speed using the high speed camera and the wall they bowl alongside as a guide. Therefore it wouldn't matter if it was a no-ball
i remember the 75/76 series when thommo destroyed a batting line up of greenidge, fredricks, richards, lloyd, rowe, kallicharan etc. WI lost the series 5-1 and clive lloyd still says it's fastest bowling he's ever seen
@mmotorway I was at the gabba for the first 3 days of the first test of that series. Was only a kid but I'll never forget the first morning when Lillee, Thomson, Gilmore were throwing everything they had at the Windies, and WI batsmen were trying to hit them out of the park. WI were 6-125 at lunch
@MrAIMANZUL have not been to find any of that match (I'd love to see it too) but there are some other clips of that series in "West Indies vs Australia 1975-76"
I think that was when he had signed a big deal to stay with Queensland, and so he played for Austalia when all the others went to WSC. He then wanted to join Lillee and the others, and was then banned for trying to get out of his Queensland/Australia contract. This may be wrong, i am going to hit the Wikpedia to find out, Thommo rules...
Banned? That is the first I've heard of that. I knew he was out injured for a long time after an on field collision with another fielder, and when he came back, his accuracy was pretty awful.
@imranbacha There's quick,and there's QUICK. For my money, Imran Khan was one of the best all-rounders of them all, but we're talking sheer speed here...Khan was nowhere near as quick as Thommo,Marshall,Holding,etc...
@mmotorway Holding , Thomo I would say. Alan Border in his book said that at times he played against Imran and found it difficult to find a difference between Imran and Marshalls speed. Border said that NOT me. Imran had longevity for his time 'casue he did not bowl fast all the time.
@MrAIMANZUL yup ur right bro but imran used2 touch 145kmph with his new action...but he did,nt bowl fast all the time coz his concentration was on swings..according 2 him a bowler cant survive in international cricket wth out swing that,s why he did,nt bowl fast all the time...but had the ability 2 bowl quick all the time........
if lillee could bowl 154 after his injuries, and thomo hit 160 after his injuries, they must have sent down all sorts of scary shit when they were fit...
@mrinstability lille said he bowled at around 97 miles per hr...before his injury . yeah they were crazy. People talk about evolution BUT there are exceptional players always. you never know - maybe holding and thommo were exceptional but overall today might be, ON AVERAGE, quicker.
@mrinstability i heard an interview where thommo reckoned he bowled much faster during an ashes series in england. i think the best judge of thommo were grenadge and haynes who both feared him more than any other bowler. for them, it was his speed but more importantly his hand disappears behind his back during delivery and that made it harder for them to read the ball out of his hand.
you need to add 10% from the actual speed as today's speed machine has different formula.
now therefore we need to believe that Thomson was actually bowling 110 mile per hour! Never mess with these guys!
qaz00 1 week ago
@qaz00 Yea where is the proof of this? Where did you get this information from? Please provide a PROPER source, that's scientific like the information in this video, it's got actual scientists. Please no this one said this and this one said that bullshit from some article.
MrECC83 1 week ago
3:25 ....i watched that competition on telly back in the day.
SPOOKSTR 1 month ago
@All: Can anyone provide these infos:
1) How the modern speed guns measure pace?
2) How the so called radar speed guns measure pace?
3) What was the number of images taken by "high speed camera" ?
please don't give any link of blog, please provide the name of any peer reviewed journal that talk about these, or instrument manual..or tell "go and do research"..it seems people did lot of research here already :)
only4anindya 1 month ago
0:35 is a no ball! :p
detroit4lyf 2 months ago
0:35 That's worse than Mohammed Amir's no ball.
stratocaster1986able 2 months ago 2
@stratocaster1986able ahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaa trueeee ahahahaah
sadilmu 2 months ago
160.45!!!!!!!!!!!?????, INSANE!!!!
85Aheadstix 3 months ago
remember those days they were timed at the batsmen and not at the point of release as it is for lee n akthar. on an avg the ball loses arnd 15kmph thro drag in the air n wicket. so we know now how quick these blokes really were.... amazing stuff!!!!
enkay78 5 months ago 5
@enkay78 if your implying that jeff tohmpson bowled up to 175kmh you are clearly delusional! his fastest was about 160... leave it at that don't try and exaggerate his pace
TheJarding 4 months ago
@enkay78
rubbish,they were timed out of the hand with high speed film cameras,as you can see in the video clip.
heathirving 3 months ago
@enkay78 Can't really find any specific detailed information on that, please post a proper reference to that.
MrECC83 1 week ago
Geeez!, thats faster then both Akhtar and Lee!, Akhtar only hit 160.2
Where Our Thommo did 160.4!!.
85Aheadstix 5 months ago
@85Aheadstix ...Bro akhtar did 100.2 mph, which is 161.3 kph ...Thommo was definitely quicker than Akhtar but not officially
Khaksaar123 4 months ago 2
the opening sequence is of dk playing shield cricket{note the gold sandgropers quick}Crowds turned up to see shield cricket in those days.
nphanlon1973 5 months ago
hey asrarulhaq2002 it is not acknowlegded by many people sami's 102 mph delivery because it was a mistake by speed gun nowadays modern speed guns are used
soban5 5 months ago
Garth le who?
atuls55 5 months ago
@atuls55 Garth Le Roux, South African fast bowler who played in World Series Cricket.
Haroog 3 months ago
Unarguably, " the fastest vegetarian bower " on earth was Venkatesh Prasad !
vijayp63 5 months ago 7
@vijayp63 25 mph
Charyaa 2 months ago
@vijayp63 You should read about Javagal Srinath. One ball that he bowled during the 1996 tour of South Africa measured 156 km/h (97 mph). He also clocked 154.5 km/h (96.0 mph) at the 1999 World Cup.
rash9876 2 months ago
@vijayp63 dude grow the F up, vegetarian or not he was a hell of a bowler. He wasnt picked for his pace, but rather for his ability to move and cut the ball both ways. On his good days he made the best batsmen in the world dance around. And FYI if ur under the impression that eating meat makes u a faster bowler, then u don't know first thing abt bowling. Too much muscle can def hinder you frm bowling fast. And this is coming frm a guy who eats meat 6 times a day and body builds.
bowler45 1 month ago
shoaib akhtar has more speed
faisalsaeed218 6 months ago
lillee's action... genuine! great to watch
acres1234 6 months ago
Oh yeh , and Mohammad Sami bowled one at 102 mph - but no one acknowledged it - dont know why - you can search it on youtube
asrarulhaq2002 6 months ago
Shoaib was faster than any of these guys - He got the ball up to 100.2 mph v England and on another occasion (forget)
asrarulhaq2002 6 months ago
@asrarulhaq2002
wtf r u talkin??
Simar2311 6 months ago
just luk at all these bowlers from the 70's,their actions so untidy. compare them to lee or akhtar.u can easily say who is faster.
i think the reason why the bowlers from the 70's and 80's were hyped so much of being fast was cos the pitches back then used to be a lot quicker and their was'nt enough protective gear available for example no helmets.also basman didnt have bowling machines to practise against pace
ayc3093 6 months ago
@ayc3093 are you serious? lillee had the greatest action ever and thompson had a deadly whipping action because he hid the ball from batsman behind his back...i can bet you ponting, tendulkar, cook etc would be shit scared to face them now...even with the equipment we get nowadays.
JayExxDee 6 months ago
@ayc3093 You sir, are a fucking retard
666heavymetaladdict 6 months ago
Thomson is regarded by most who count to be as quick as anyone has ever been.
The difference in measuring speed is the main issue. In these tests, the speed was calculated at the batsmans crease. Today, with the speed gun, the speed is taken from release by the bowler. A huge diference when taken over 22 yds and a balls rate retarding after bouncing.
JohnS1704 6 months ago
@JohnS1704
i dont know how many times i have to keep saying this,the speed was recorded out of the bowlers hand
thomson recorded 160.45 kmh out of the hand and 128kmh onto the bat,because the ball was short pitched.
this next fastest was 159.49 kmh and onto the bat at 138kmh.it is sooo unscientific to record bowlers fastest balls at the batsmens end because of the effect the pitch has on the speed of the ball.
heathirving 3 months ago
@heathirving Why not, don;t you keep count? You sound like the sort that would. Oh and you are wrong. Apart from that - top reply.
JohnS1704 3 months ago
@JohnS1704
i am not wrong,i have contacted dr frank pyke,who did the timing,and also photosonics,the makers of the high speed cameras.the speeds are featured in dennis lillee's book "the art of fast bowling"
heathirving 3 months ago
@heathirving You ought to get out more. Still wrong
JohnS1704 3 months ago
@JohnS1704 Actually he's right although the misunderstanding you've arrived at is an easy mistake to make & not uncommon. I've done some pretty deep research on this too & commented re this issue on the vid Jeff Thomson bowling 1.
everkenz004 3 months ago
What the hell 142kph by jeff and 130kph by dennis, i thought these guys were quick, just goes to show that fast bowlers in the 70s and 80s are overrated
shiv100p 7 months ago
@shiv100p Are you sure you watched the whole vid.? Thomson recorded 160 k & Lillee 154. You seem to have picked out their slowest speeds from the net session only.
everkenz004 7 months ago
@shiv100p
that was in the off season,2 years earlier thomson recorded 160.6 kmh.
heathirving 3 months ago
Yeah as far as consistentcy in speed goes over a career Aktar was the standout. Thommo was never able to replicate that sheer speed again after the shoulder injury. Don't think though that I don't rate Aktars speed, he was great to watch
bannedspencer 7 months ago
@bannedspencer I heard that thommo was literally in human on his day
AIMANALI 7 months ago
@AIMANALI I think it was because he was so unorhtodox, made him hard to play. In a similar way to Shaun Tait, he could bowl some junk but if you are bowling at 160k and getting outswing or inswing, you wouldn't be fun to bat against...particuarly without helmets. I suppose the question should be asked, how scary would have Aktar been bowling in the 70s?
bannedspencer 7 months ago
I tend to trust a wicketkeepers point of view when it comes to speeds of fast bowlers ( and Marsh was adamant Thommo was scary) so for out and out quickest my vote would go to Thommo, though based on the parametres that you put down in your list for quickest in career, then Shoab Aktar would win based on Thommo losing speed after the shoulder injury.
bannedspencer 7 months ago
@bannedspencer part : so you saying that for one two seasons Thommo was faster than any but as far as consitency Akhtar (over a career) was the quickest. Is that what you are saying ? Here is an interesting observation: In a game against India in India Akhtar was bowling and Tony Grieg was commenting. the wicket keeper was standing so far back that I was almost shocked. keeper was taking the ball literally over his head. After like 2 overs Tony Grieg commented "look how far he is standing"
MrAndyroberts1 7 months ago
@MrAndyroberts1 part 2: ..& look were he took the ball. THAT IS HOW FAR I HAVE SEEN A KEEPER STAND". now Greig played against thommo & Holding at their quickest. In fact he was batting in the spell that Imran said was the fastest he ever faced or saw (& also commented on the keeper standing way back). I went years just denying Akhtar the honor of placing him with thommo & Holding BUT if I am truthful than man he is up there with ANY. Lille, who is always honest it seems, says thommo was quicker
MrAndyroberts1 7 months ago
I played a charity match against Thommo in England last year. He was still bloody quick and bowling away swingers. After the game he invited me to his table in the drinks tent and allowed me to interview him for my local cricket club video. Never have I met a man who was so charming and kind. He was quite happy to chat for an hour or two whilst we slowly got sozzled under the white of the tent canopy. Lovely memories of a lovely man. Cheers Thommo.
Abingtoncricket 7 months ago
@Abingtoncricket
I'm jealous of your experience but, yes, I can believe that about Thommo, he always comes across as a modest, likeable chap.
Three Aussies I'd love to meet & shake hands with: Thommo, Shane Warne & Rolf Harris.
bodsnvimto 7 months ago
thomo was captain against on one of the tour games in the west indies.the team assembled around him before the first ball."O.K. guys,who wants to be 1st slip?"
nphanlon1973 9 months ago
look at the inconsistencies ....in 1977 Andy roberts and holding were 150 and 148...also the rest. just three years later when holding and thommo were at there peak they measured a lot less in speed. to many inconsistencies....
AIMANALI 9 months ago
@AIMANALI I know what you mean but it was a 40 degree day. Not exactly fun to be bowling fast in those temps. Whilst bowling in the low 140s high 130s doesn't seem express, I'm certain it was when you weren't wearing a helmet
bannedspencer 7 months ago
@bannedspencer Exactly here is my take on all this ...consistency in speed count.....many have been fast on their day or season but few have been the quickest over a career. In that aspect here is my list: Shoiab, Thommo and Holding - in no particular order. The rest follow. I seriously could be wrong but that is my list.
AIMANALI 7 months ago
@AIMANALI Everyone would debate the order and all have valid reasons for why they were right. Pretty certain there would be few doubting the three you have chosen though
bannedspencer 7 months ago
@bannedspencer Ok. Than you tell me your opinion please. What is your list. This particular doc. in my opinion was biased. Many have called Thommo and Holding the quickest (even in this doc. Greig and Ian said that) and yet there was one 1.5 sec clip of Holding, yet a zillion clips of Holding. I found that strange .
Ok your list please
AIMANALI 7 months ago
@AIMANALI
it was in the off season dickhead
heathirving 3 months ago
@heathirving Why are you calling me name- grow up. These guys were bowling as fast as they could. My only point is that these are Hugh differences and these speeds can not be compared. Another joke is that Thommo was 20 kmp faster than Akhtar - lol. Oh, in that case most of the fastest 10 bowlers of 70s were faster than Akhtar. NOW THAT is a funny.
AIMANALI 3 months ago
kapil held the record of fastest ball by an indian(153.4) until ishant sharma broke it in australia(154.6
)
raviss1000 9 months ago
@raviss1000 Kapil was always a medium fast bowler and he could not bowl above 135K
sayedaskari01 9 months ago
@raviss1000Sir ! You are wrong about Kapil Dev
raj86ad 7 months ago
lillee oversteps the line at 3:42- no ball
H4rryF 9 months ago
They measure speed now, only for the first 5ft out of the bowlers hand. The ball is measured approx. 14 times in that period and a speed taken. However, the ball hitting the pitch slows the ball approx. 10%. Back in the 70's when Thommo got measured at 100mph - that was timed at the batsman's end, after the ball had bounced and travelled that distance. So add that 10% and his speed is around 110mph. And that was not under match conditions with adrenalin. No-one comes close.
69Ocker 10 months ago
@69Ocker where do you get this stuff from?..im an engineer and work with this sort of thing regularly and am also a cricket fan and i would suggest that you dont have this correct as there are nocitable differences in bowling speeds published these days when comparing a ball that is a yorker or full toss to those of a ball that pitches- suggesting that the measured speed does in fact include the entire length of the pitch..not the first "5 feet"- no one works over "feet" these days..
rcaddict72 10 months ago
@rcaddict72 very easy to say that you are an engineer that does pace bowling speed tests and we should all take your word for it. obviously the ball is a hell of a lot faster 5ft from the hand, than it is after hitting ground and travelling the length of the pitch. If you search you-tube you will find the info that backs my comments up. If you really worked in this field you also would know how it is currently measured. Even the likes of Imran Khan has backed up what I have said here
69Ocker 10 months ago
@rcaddict72 i also did not say that it is measured 5ft from the hand - read what I said son. I said that within the first 5ft, it is measured approx 14 times and that is how they compute bowling speed. How batsmen face a bowler from 5ft away??
69Ocker 10 months ago
@69Ocker in addition this doesnt make engineering sense as the speed "5 feet" from release would be approx the same as the speed of the hand at release..meaning its easier to measure the hand itself. to be able to measure 5 feet- when the ball can be travelling along different paths relative to horizontal will yield large errors. id be very keen to see the details of these tests you are citing..it just doesnt add up.
rcaddict72 10 months ago
0:35 no ball.
CanYouTouchMeWhereIP 10 months ago
why the hell kapil dev is not there???
zenda40 10 months ago
@zenda40 there talking about fast bowling not medium pace bowling!!!
eazzymo 10 months ago
@zenda40 Kapil was never a fast bowler. He was just a medium pacer who was accurate. India have never produced a lethal fast bowler, ever.
CanYouTouchMeWhereIP 10 months ago
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP Nah, Kapil could throw down quickly when the moons aligned, Javagal Srinath too (probably consistently quicker then Kapil) but....yeah, neither were at the Holding, Roberts, Marshall, Lillee & Thomson speed.
Good bowlers though & Kapil was one of the great cricketers.
ragers66 9 months ago
@ragers66 What made Kapil a great cricketer was probably his ability to be accurate bowl after bowl. This proves that being fast isn't important in taking wickets. But yeah...Lethal fast bowlers are entertaining...so are leg spinners...but never medium pacers.
CanYouTouchMeWhereIP 9 months ago
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP Haha, agree on the medium pacers, unless they can consistently swing it like Damian Fleming, otherwise there's not a great deal of redeeming features.
Ah well, you need them to make up the numbers and give the quicks a rest! & hopefully they can bat a bit too...
ragers66 9 months ago
@CanYouTouchMeWhereIP being fast is not the only thing. Swing is not the only thing etc etc...it is a combination of all...some have more of one and less of other. At the end it is performance and kapil did delivery no doubt.
AIMANALI 9 months ago
@ragers66 On any day, Srinath was at least a couple of yards quicker than Kapil. He was a genuinely quick bowler with the ability to let one zip off the pitch with that shoulder action. Before his rotator cuff injury especially. Kapil, although a better bowler, would be classified as a fast-medium swing bowler. He had a better work ethic than Srinath for sure and was more gifted in swing and variations.
Imrankniazi 9 months ago
@Imrankniazi Oh yes! Kapil was good at everything on a cricket pitch & he made it look so easy. A fierce competitor and one of the great quartet of all rounders from that era....Kapil, Hadlee, Botham & Imran.
ragers66 9 months ago
I'd say the fastest ever is Frank Tyson. He is said to have once bowled a ball that the umpire did not see through the air! And this the umpire said himself.
Enyuhu 10 months ago
@samsharpeye im with u all along, but the part in which u mention about improving, not every aspect of this game is. Yes, the athletic part obviously has by which i refer to the fielding. But look at the batting - the protective gear belittles the batsman's actual persona. The bowling - every quick bowler is out for injuring atleast 4-5 times in his career and even the grounds are getting smaller by the year:)
tahashoeb 10 months ago
I'm a bit dubious of whether these 70's onwards quicks were as quick as most fast medium bowlers today, I.E 85mph (140ish) plus. In all sports, athletes improve: Footballers, cricketers, sprinters, tennis players... They all get better, all more physically fit, and especially now that bio mechanics is used to change the way sportsmen do things. However that bouncer at 2 20 looks very rapid. I mean quick!!! and by the way don't listen to old test players, they don't want to belittle their era!
samsharpeye 10 months ago
jeff thomson, who gives a fuck,, he didnt swing it, was in accurate, all he cared about was pace...200 test wickets? average...
lozzag13 11 months ago
@lozzag13 why don't you get out there and face him and see how average he is...
CFAN123 10 months ago
@CFAN123 couldn't agree with you more, if you can bowl at 160 + k/ph who cares if don't swing it, the batsmen would be shitting themselves anyway
FACEPALM351 10 months ago
@FACEPALM351 yeah exactly
CFAN123 10 months ago
thommo is possibly the greatest man in the history of man kind. "when over there and won it, wasnt even playing, all i had been doing was sittin on my backside drinkin beer and i went over and won it".
brynjones11 1 year ago
gee looking at this makes the current aussie team look like a bunch of pussies
Tyza111 1 year ago
I went in the bloody thing and won the money!
rambothan 1 year ago
were 8 ball overs still being bowled as well? That makes it even more impressive that they produced these faster speeds...
NKBoon16 1 year ago
The most amazing thing that emerges from this footage, is, if you use your imagination and think back to pre-helmet days, I.e. before 1975, players like bradman, hammond and a whole host of others would score double and tripple hundred not just againt obviously sizzilinglyquick bowlersbut on uncovered wickets...Brave, brave souls who would face hours of possibly fatal deliveries.
nighterjay 1 year ago
wow! Hail Jeff Thomson..:)
adbhutseleti 1 year ago
This is just amazing, Bloody brilliant bowling!
smiley1726 1 year ago
Be interesting to find what harold Larwoods speed would be ,despite working full time down a coal mine and playing in the 1930s
telstar9 1 year ago
Be interesting to find what harold Larwoods speed would be ,despite working full time down a coal mine and playing in the 1930s
telstar9 1 year ago
'All i'd been doin was sitting on my backside drinkin beer". Pisser!!! Go Thommo.
strappingyoungmetal 1 year ago
It was a different game before helmets were introduced.
OzTwanger 1 year ago
I bet he bowled 170kph at his prime lol fuckin fast. i faced 160kph in the bowling machine and u gotta basically play your shot before u see the ball lol.
hawty0boy 1 year ago
@hawty0boy Oh yeah, Thommo was the fastest I've ever seen. Probably hit 165kph or maybe 170kph because of that big arc he had in preparation and release. Express pace gave the bowlers better results than it would today, as batsmen were so poorly protected, they often play rash shots in absolute fear.
temp850 1 year ago
@temp850 yeh.
I agree and i dont blame them lol
hawty0boy 1 year ago
BEST CRICKET VIDEO I HAVE EVER SEEN
MrHallucinated100 1 year ago
Thommo was definately the fastest bowler of all time. Not a disciplined, highly paid athlete like the guys we have today. Just raw talent who turned up for the game and scared the fuck out of the best batsmen in the world and had a few beers after stumps. He was the quintessential Aussie and my boyhood hero. Though Lillee is remembered as the great fast bowler of the seventies and rightly so; Thommo will always be the greatest cricket legend in my books!
vincerjn 1 year ago
@vincerjn And I have a quote from Lillee in one of my books that Thommo was the only bowler he would happily play second fiddle to in his peak. Lillee rated him as the most lethal and unplayable bowler ever. Its a shame there aren't more vids of him tearing into batsmen. Clive Loyd rates him as the fastest ever, I think. I remember so clearly how much damage he did in the 70s, like it was yesterday.
temp850 1 year ago
That's a legit delivery. It looks like he bended his elbow in the "opposite direction". The "chucking problem" is to prevent a bowler from giving extra power from jerking the elbow. Take a look at the arm angle during delivery, of the bowlers who face objections. You'll see the difference.
HallaTheBhai 1 year ago
big no ball by Lillee at 0:33 ha
cobrules22 1 year ago
to bloody right
wikwak67 1 year ago
shoaib akhter has broken that record so is now the fastest of all time
rizzi2007 1 year ago
@rizzi2007 and hes a chucker to
wikwak67 1 year ago
@rizzi2007 only broke that recorded ball..im sure that he would of sent some down faster in his career
enginerebuilder1 1 year ago
thomson likes to believe he was the fastest and he loves to tell everybody everytime he gets the oppurtunity he was just over RATED yes he was fast but not the quickest i bet a bowler does seem faster when his bowling at batsmen without helmets and theres a real risk of them going in to a coma! can you imagine aktar and lee bowling at batsmen without and guards all over there bodies! and no wonder he was the fastest thomson was bowling beamers!
eazzymo 1 year ago
Why is dennis regraded as a legend?
Yes, he was great at home, Nz and Eng but he hardly played in the sub-continent and Windies!
He played 3 matches in Pak and averaged a whopping 101.00, 1 in SL with an average of 35.66 and just 1 in the Windies where he bowled 32 overs for 132 runs, no wkts taken.
Macgrath without a doubt is Aus best fast bowler of all time and at least he had the guts to go to the Sub-continent and the Windies!
TheFreeForever 1 year ago
@TheFreeForever that is not fair. Lille is regarded as the best even by other bowlers of his time. As far as the Pakistan incident - there is a huge story behind that. He did bowl well on all conditions - West Indies had slow wickets for example...and he bowled just as well in the 2nd season of the Kerry packer which was in the Windies he really was great.
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI Then why didn't he ever visit Ind or any other sub-continent country again?
Also, it's not like he was playing against the best in the kerry pecker series!
TheFreeForever 1 year ago
@TheFreeForever I send u a detailed response
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI but u right he might be a touch over rated
AIMANALI 1 year ago
Imagine facing that and the windies, with no helmut.
yellowbelly1966 1 year ago
0:34 'NO BALL'
duncandohnut1993 1 year ago 2
there wasnt such thing as a no ball back then diot
dransdrans 1 year ago
@dransdrans if there was no such thing as a no ball back then, why didn't the bowler just bowl from an inch away from the batsman...idiot?
duncandohnut1993 1 year ago
@dransdrans Yes there were. There were back foot no balls, not front foot.
HorseWithNoUsername 1 year ago
@HorseWithNoUsername Wrong. The front foot rule had been introduced by the early 60s.
eusebium7 11 months ago
@eusebium7 Yes, but it was not officially added to the rule books until 1980. Otherwise, most of the deliveries shown in the video would have been no-balls.
HorseWithNoUsername 11 months ago
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theuglyhairmonster2 10 months ago
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there wasnt such thing as a no ball back then idiot
dransdrans 1 year ago
I would have liked to have known just how fast Curtly Ambrose and Sylvester Clarke were on a fast WACA wicket. They were no slouches either.
MrRdeboy 1 year ago
@MrRdeboy Curtly was around 138 - 141 but he never bowled at his quickest all the time so he probably was like 146 or something. I know cause I have seen the recordings. Clark was even quicker than marshall.
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI Cool. The fact that the Windies could churn out speedsters almost at will just defies belief. I wish I could see some more like them nowadays :(
MrRdeboy 1 year ago
@MrRdeboy In Australia's eyes the 70/80's WI team dominance is the standard for crciket supremacy.
negooog 1 year ago
waqar,shoib,lillee,thomson,lee,wasim.still rules.........
TheBUNTOO100 1 year ago
@npg68
I'm not saying that Lillee and Thomson were ineffective. In fact, they were very effective. However they both violated cricket rules of the time which stated that the arm is not allowed to straighten from the horizontal to release. By pausing the video you can clearly see that the arm is bent before release and becomes straight at release.
ihamoitc2005 1 year ago
@ihamoitc2005 hyperextension would only be a problem to the law if it was present when the arm is level with the shoulder; it always happens much later and thus it's not relevant.
MrAngy 1 year ago
@MrAngy
Rubbish. Any extension that occurs once the arm is above the shoulder, regardless of when the bending occured, was, according to the old rules, illegal. There was no allowance for "hyper-extension" or caveats relating to when the bending occured. The law was only concerned with the actual extension. According to the old law, Thomson and Lillee were chuckers. That and the fact that McGrath and Lee had 12+ degrees of extension was why the law was changed.
ihamoitc2005 1 year ago
@ihamoitc2005
look at the video at 2:08. Tell me how much of an angle his arm is at and rethink your statement
kieran888 1 year ago
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@kieran888:
That's a legit delivery. It looks like he bended his elbow in the "opposite direction". The "chucking problem" is to prevent a bowler from giving extra power from jerking the elbow. Take a look at the arm angle during delivery, of the bowlers who face objections. You'll see the difference.
HallaTheBhai 1 year ago
miles per hour,please
suffern63 1 year ago
Amazing !!.... to think some ''Soft cock'' decided to ban Thommo from Australian cricket just sounds idiotic. Brains and balls the size of a pea....
fjbutch 1 year ago
This is why ICC changed the law about chucking.
Freeze the video at 0:36 and enjoy the 15 degree angle on Lillee's arm as it nears the highest part of the action.
Freeze the video at 4:09. You can see Thomson sporting a nice 25 degree angle on his arm just before release.
When it became clear that the human eye couldn't pick up shady bowling actions accurately, ICC did a full investigation including analysis of past bowlers. This is the real reason why they changed the chucking law.
ihamoitc2005 1 year ago 2
@ihamoitc2005
I am not saying that Thomson was chucking intentionally. In fact, it looks very much like the hyper-extension that also afflicts Akhtar. Due to extremely flexible joints, the force of arm movement causes the elbow to stretch backwards unnaturally.
Lillee, on the other hand, definitely has a kink starting from when his arm is at the horizontal and all the way through the arc until it reaches it's peak and then straightens through delivery. Intentional? No. But it's there.
ihamoitc2005 1 year ago
@ihamoitc2005 i disagree with your comment about thommo. it appears to me that his arm bends after he releases the ball....in fact i am certain now that is the case. with his bowling action i can't see how it would be possible to get a 25 degree angle.
holding was very very fast....he didn't 'whispering death' as a nickname for nothing lol
andy roberts was scarey....just got to look at the replay when he clocked david hookes. they were all great fast bowlers.
npg68 1 year ago
imran in an interview said that the ball that he bowled @ 139 kmph in fastest bowling contest was with his old action.when he changed his bowling action then he said that he used 2 touch 145,146kmph....but he claimed that holding and thompson were quicker than him.and thompson was the quickest bowler @ that time much quicker than holding............
junoon1856 1 year ago
@junoon1856 I am not sure that Imran would ever say that Thommo was ever quicker than Holding. Imran has always said that the fastest spell (&bowler) he ever faced was from Holding. His description of the spell was exciting to read. Also that he found it hard to believe that ANYONE has ever been quicker than Holding at his quickest.
Do you have that interview when Imran spoke of his speed with the new action etc
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI no man i dnt have that interview....but he realy said that thommo was the quickest bowler @ that time...it was an interview telecasted on ptv..un4tunately idnt have that........
junoon1856 1 year ago
@junoon1856 Interesting...I know he rates Holding as the quickest ("I would go with Holding" is what he said in terms of speed in his book) but it could see what he meant as far as the competition since in that contest Tommo was the quickest. here is another thing - my opinion - i really feel that Aussie media back in 70s was racist and that could have played against Holding (I am not talking about the players mind you)....I have reasons to believe that.
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI yup u may b rite........
junoon1856 1 year ago
@AIMANALI Australians idolised the West Indies in the 70s. Especially us kids. The kids I played with actually had West Indies cricketers as bigger heroes than the Australian ones. Viv Richards and Michael Holding were gods.
livingcommunities 1 year ago
@livingcommunities wow did not know that. Cool.
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@livingcommunities Holding and Richards still are gods
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
How did it go.....?
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. If Lillee doesn't get you then Thommo must" hehehe
Holden308 1 year ago
holy shit these blokes were that fast and the batsmen didnt wear fuck all protection. fuck that!
brynjones11 1 year ago
This is the way I see it. Andy roberts and thomson were measured in the 150s kms in ONE test and this is the speed measurement that is generally considered slower than todays (meaning that the way the speed is NOT from the hand as it is today). than it stands to reason that if measured through many tests using todays methods - the speed would be a lot quicker than 160. This was Holdings FIRST series and he was considered as fast as Jeff. Actually according to some consistently quicker than any.
MrAIMANZUL 1 year ago
@MrAIMANZUL Yep...Silent Death Holding was fabulous. Such a relaxed bowling run-up and action. I always got the impression that he was bowling with-in himself and could have bowled a lot quicker if he'd put in the effort of,say, Lillee...who ALWAYS bowled like his life depended on it.
mmotorway 1 year ago
Even though AkhtarI is the only bowler clocked at 100 mph, I don't think there's much doubt that Thompson was bowling faster than that back in 73, before the injuries piled up. I read Rodney Marsh's book some time back, and he reckoned that Thompson,on occasion, was bowling at 180kmph! (almost 112mph!) Seems incredible,I know, but that means Thommo was much, much quicker than Akhtar.
mmotorway 1 year ago
@mmotorway what is the name of that book. also what did he say about holding
MrAIMANZUL 1 year ago
@MrAIMANZUL I'll have to dig it out. It's a good read, and funny. Marsh, like all wicketkeepers, had a good perspective of the Aussie bowlers speed, because during an innings he faced EVERY ball. Now most of the experts would agree that Lillee was bowling at the high 90's mph....and if Marsh says that Thommo was much faster than Lillee...then you have to take it seriously.
mmotorway 1 year ago
@mmotorway Yes ...Please do. batting Wicket keepers should be captains. Please let me know..
MrAIMANZUL 1 year ago
@mmotorway I'm sorry but 112 mph is not believable
darthlewis1 1 year ago
yea Thommo prolly had the fastest average speed for a bowler during that time period only Andy Roberts Shaun Tait Brett Lee Shoaib Akhtar Michael Holding and maybe Waqar younis in his younger days and of course Lillie could claim to be true express pace bowlers bowling at least 145-150 constantly
shahidafridi6 1 year ago
@shahidafridi6 I'd add Malcolm Marshall to that list. You wouldn't want to face him without a well fitted box and helmet! :-)
mmotorway 1 year ago
@shahidafridi6 Ian Bishop was very quick for a short while. Mike Procter was reputed to be greased lightning quick in county cricket. Then you also have men like Patterson, Sylvester Clarke and Croft. Throw in Roy Gilchrist and Frank Tyson from the earlier days. It's really difficult to put down a finger on ONE bowler who was the fastest of all time.
If absolutely forced to pick one, I'd say Mike Holding was the quickest for a longer period than the rest. Quite subjective, of course!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
at 4.00, what the hell is an Umpire doing there?
chupchap88 2 years ago
mate they have to check for no balls because if your foot is over the crease you are bowling at a smaller distance and at that pace it can make ur speed record at more than 5-10 kmph than it actually is.
mipsstudent 1 year ago
I think they recorded the speed using the high speed camera and the wall they bowl alongside as a guide. Therefore it wouldn't matter if it was a no-ball
m13y 1 year ago
@chupchap88 making sure they dont bowl noball's i guess?
FordFusion59 1 year ago
i remember the 75/76 series when thommo destroyed a batting line up of greenidge, fredricks, richards, lloyd, rowe, kallicharan etc. WI lost the series 5-1 and clive lloyd still says it's fastest bowling he's ever seen
mikepumpkin 2 years ago
@mikepumpkin That brings back memories. I caught the first day at the Adelaide Oval for that series. Two fabulous teams.
mmotorway 1 year ago
@mmotorway I was at the gabba for the first 3 days of the first test of that series. Was only a kid but I'll never forget the first morning when Lillee, Thomson, Gilmore were throwing everything they had at the Windies, and WI batsmen were trying to hit them out of the park. WI were 6-125 at lunch
mikepumpkin 1 year ago
@mikepumpkin do you have any video footage of that . i would love to buy some.
MrAIMANZUL 1 year ago
@MrAIMANZUL have not been to find any of that match (I'd love to see it too) but there are some other clips of that series in "West Indies vs Australia 1975-76"
mikepumpkin 1 year ago
I think that was when he had signed a big deal to stay with Queensland, and so he played for Austalia when all the others went to WSC. He then wanted to join Lillee and the others, and was then banned for trying to get out of his Queensland/Australia contract. This may be wrong, i am going to hit the Wikpedia to find out, Thommo rules...
leighsoft 2 years ago
awesome!!
DKLillee355 2 years ago
what did thompson do to get baned?
FordFusion59 2 years ago
Banned? That is the first I've heard of that. I knew he was out injured for a long time after an on field collision with another fielder, and when he came back, his accuracy was pretty awful.
doughnazi 2 years ago
at 3.31....imran khan? how handsome he is looking ther among all these cricketers...indeed he was stylish cricketers..and fastest then all ...
imranbacha 2 years ago
@imranbacha There's quick,and there's QUICK. For my money, Imran Khan was one of the best all-rounders of them all, but we're talking sheer speed here...Khan was nowhere near as quick as Thommo,Marshall,Holding,etc...
mmotorway 1 year ago
@mmotorway Holding , Thomo I would say. Alan Border in his book said that at times he played against Imran and found it difficult to find a difference between Imran and Marshalls speed. Border said that NOT me. Imran had longevity for his time 'casue he did not bowl fast all the time.
MrAIMANZUL 1 year ago
@MrAIMANZUL yup ur right bro but imran used2 touch 145kmph with his new action...but he did,nt bowl fast all the time coz his concentration was on swings..according 2 him a bowler cant survive in international cricket wth out swing that,s why he did,nt bowl fast all the time...but had the ability 2 bowl quick all the time........
junoon1856 1 year ago
if lillee could bowl 154 after his injuries, and thomo hit 160 after his injuries, they must have sent down all sorts of scary shit when they were fit...
mrinstability 2 years ago 37
@mrinstability lille said he bowled at around 97 miles per hr...before his injury . yeah they were crazy. People talk about evolution BUT there are exceptional players always. you never know - maybe holding and thommo were exceptional but overall today might be, ON AVERAGE, quicker.
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@mrinstability i heard an interview where thommo reckoned he bowled much faster during an ashes series in england. i think the best judge of thommo were grenadge and haynes who both feared him more than any other bowler. for them, it was his speed but more importantly his hand disappears behind his back during delivery and that made it harder for them to read the ball out of his hand.
npg68 1 year ago