How I Evolved to Voluntaryism

[dubified89]

Why is it wrong to kill someone if they committed murder? I don't agree with the existence of the state but I don't think the concept of the death penalty is wrong for someone who deserves it. It's not fixing a wrong with another wrong any more than hitting someone back who hits you is.

[georgedonnelly]

@dubified89 You have some circular reasoning going on there. Why does anyone deserve to be killed? The only thing I can think of where I would consider killing justified is in the heat of a moment when someone is attacking another person without any kind of provocation and the only or best way to stop the attack is with a defense that might kill them (like a gun).

[Spillers72]

Have you heard of mutualism? I think mutualism is a left libertarianism that promotes worker owned cooperatives as an alternative to traditional corporations. It supports mutual community banking, decentralized governance, direct democracy, etc.

[georgedonnelly]

@Spillers72 Yes, now I have and I like much of it better.

[MigDanskeren]

I was a dedicated Marxist during the teen years, but changed outlook when I realized that the government always make social problems even worse. I then read a number of libertarian authors, but Rothbard's Libertarian Manifesto was the tipping point that turned me into a Voluntaryism, as it brought forward arguments that were impossible to ignore. He is one of the most brilliant and logically consistent people in the history of mankind

[batmanthe]

I like pretty much everything you've said in this video.

If your interested in finding out about some of the greatest philosophers of Voluntaryism. I suggest checking out Murry Rothbard (Voluntaryist) , while I don't agree with 100% he's one of the greatest minds to ever live IMO. Ayn Rand doesn't hold a candle to Rothbard and she wasn't a voluntaryist anyways.

[libertarianjury]

I agree with your general view. To me this is all self-evident, my natural way of existing. But you also seem not to understand retaliatory force, nor the seriousness of our opponents.

[aymfl]

@libertarianjury enlighten me. at least be more specific about what I don't understand.

[libertarianjury]

I'm a voluntaryist as well, who strives for a smarter humanity that does not believe in electoral politics or collective control as a goal, but as a tool it is acceptable. I agree with your moral basis, but not your strategy. Your strategy is grossly sub-optimal.

I recommend reading "Out of Control" by Kevin Kelly, grasshopper. I also recommend reading "The Democratic Peace" by RJ Rummel, and "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. You need more chatting with libertarians -J

[TheCapitalistdog]

now you need to evolve some camera skills.  Can't hear a word you're saying, haha.

[tetraedronico]

kudos to you George....

for voluntaryism