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  • Who is the handsome singer? :)

  • lol and then we burned all their shit, slave-owning scum

  • @tearsinrain86 Not before we mowed down half a million yankees. Too bad we didn't mow down a million.

  • @tearsinrain86 LOL the north owned slaves too. There's even evidence to say that children under the age of 6 were slaves and many died through harsh conditions.

  • ted turner lol

    

  • let the bonnie blue flag rise once more

  • Ted Turner making a cameo too, yeah.

  • @ohiofan1954 whats funny about this I'm from texas and play college hockey In minnesota the fans and students sang this when I scored my first goal for them it was Awesome along to see the texas flag as well

  • fantastica pelicula me gusto muchisimo,hurra....

  • That's just awesome

  • "My Fuhrer My Life" in the related videos?! wtf?

  • This song is called "Colemans March" I play it on my banjo...its a very popular in old time and folk circles..

  • The Loss of South is the loss of all whites

    Stupid Yankees thought it's their pride to defeat South, yet look at what happened today: themselves have to reap what they sow by putting up with the shame of having a nigger as President. They serve their right

    So if you are from North stop complaining about Obama. It's your own racial betrayal that leads to nigger rule.

  • @aliciacundall Scum like you rot Americas internals.

  • @Grathom15

    Fuck off nigger

    Once day the South will rise again

    and subhumans like you will be buried

  • @aliciacundall Idiots like you lost us the last war. Please do the South a favor and join the Yankees so that you'll hold them back, and that we may crush all our enemies with one swift stroke.

  • @aliciacundall See, I respect the south, and i respect their rights to leave the union. But slavery is immoral. To hell with you friend. I wish the South won the civil war to prove that secession is okay. But when I see people like you, I wish I could have lived in the 1860's so I could join up and shoot your family.

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  • @aliciacundall WTF is wrong with you - _ - I dont know if you are truly a racist or a troll but people like you for sure do not help a damaged image of the South. I live in Alabama and real subhuman scum are people like you. If you are a racist then you are naturally scum and if a troll then you are a bottom feeder.

  • Best song! Best movie! CSA Forever!!!! Greatest from Russia!

  • Its becoming more and more apparent that Dixie actually fought the first war on terror and we shoud spare a thought for those wo are invaded by the Union now.

  • @BradBrassman An excellent point! The noble Southland fought on behalf of her own self-determination against Marxist Yankee corporatism, which since went on to subjugate the world via fractional reserve banking and personal credit.

    As a result -- today's foolish Yankee does not realise that the Northern states doomed themselves to a future that is now happening: no jobs, outsourcing/banking at the whim of todays Zionist Neo-Cons.

    Pay for it now you stupid simple-minded Yankees.

  • @BradBrassman, that makes the Taliban at least Defenders of their homeland & Culture too. Oh, well we could be doing worse with other America's opponents in history.

  • about "Rednecks",(the really dense crude ones),. whats the deal with that social microcosm? You'd think these cats would push education to bring the South back to a bit of its previous civilized sophistication. (not meaning the slave bit, that was Un-Christian!), but i mean a Re-Focusing on education! then thered be less cats rotting in trailer parks! Think of Mr. Lee!! be like him, and he was a Univesity man!! so hit that library!

  • david kinciad is in the back i think

    

  • Ted Turner's appearance totally ruined this scene for me. I still love the song.

  • I'm English and I love the American Civil war

  • @GCmediacourse Well said do you go reenacting with the Acws

  • @Marshall2431 No I dont. The American Civil war is one of my favorite eras in history

  • @GCmediacourse Since you are visiting this site, my guess would be that you feel closer to the south? Most Brits do. Since England is the mother country to both north and south, It is interesting to me how the different cultures developed. It seems that the Puritans who formed the basis for northern culture were a bit evangelical and dictitorial in their assurance that they were always right about everything. That is how it appears to Southerners. What ever the reason, there are differences.

  • @stellalouise1 Well actually my Ancestors Lived in america and fought on changed sides twice then returned to england 4 years are the war ended

  • @GCmediacourse Dude, that is awesome, its one of my favs as well. Why do you like it so much?

  • @Diolord89 to be honest I'm English and I love the history of my country and just watching a film about history is great and song from the past are excellent.

  • this coming from a northerner here, the south for the most part had SOO better songs than the north did. more upbeat ya know?

  • holy shit dhakalaf is rigth the somali flag is blue with one white star!!!! thats messed up

  • im proud to be mexican and southern and even tho i love my mexican half more i will never forget my southen heritige and the way my great great grandpa fought under the bonnie blue flag and died under it with no fear and no mercy to proctect his soil his way of life so i know people are going to say bad thing becuase im part mexican i say this fuck you puto VIVA MEXICO Y QUE VIVA DIXIE

  • @13Mexicansoldier13, don't have such a chip on your shoulder. No one's putting you down for being part Mexican. You might not be aware of this, but there were people of Spanish and Mexican heritage who fought for the Confederacy. The girl in the "Bonnie Blue Flag" performance is probably a Texan beauty of Mexican background. Be proud of your rich dual heritage, feel the history deeply, and stow away those insults.

  • hooorah hooorah for Southern Rights! Hooorah!

  • Long live Somalia !

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  • Oh  hey its Ted Turner!

  • wow, What u call Bonnie blue flag is very similar to our Flag of Somalia. u cant even distinguish them! 

  • The true roots of America: Old Spanish, Old French, and Scots-Irish. A Blessed South indeed via folklore and spirit. Deo Vindice.

  • VIVA SOMALIA, THE FLAG OF SOMALIA.

  • @aniga126 You are right, the flag should be darker

  • Is the woman in the video Cajun, Native American or Asian?

  • @360Nomad They said that the act had come from Texas. My guess would be Mexican/Spanish.

  • @360Nomad , Given that the show is being put on by the Texans, she's probably a Mexican-American girl from Texas.

  • is that guy wearing makeup?

  • 0:35

    Is that Ted Turner???

  • @CountArtha hahahaha sharp eye! It is Ted Turner in his cameo as Col. Waller T. Patton

  • My Great Great Grandfather was Robert E. Lee, from my point of my view, he was foolish to think he could to take on the U.S.A, but since his home state of Virginia joined the C.S.A, he said "I will not fight against my own Statemen."

  • @Ragequitdude He wasnt foolish, he clearly gave the US a run for their money for two and a half years. And was able to withstand defeat for another 2 years.

  • @ohiofan1954 your are not a son of the north if you value these traitors and southern men . the only Faith is Unity in the face of Confederate Communists

  • What up with the slaves only 3% or so of the csa ans owned slaves and they didnt have such a huge negative effect

  • @shiptech2k9 you mean slaves were 60% of population

  • If I live in florida but was born in the philippines but actually come from philippines (from mother) and Usa, georgia, california, and virginia, but go even deeper actually come from boston up north and even more, back in england. So am I a southerner or northerner or asian or european?

  • @shiptech2k9 "So am I a southerner or northerner or asian or european?"

    You're an American.

  • @RevBillyRayCollins so americanwise, am I a southerner or a northener

  • @shiptech2k9 What does it matter? Who cares if you hail from north or south, east or west. You're an American like the rest of us. Granted I consider myself a southernor, but that's because I was born and raised in the south and have lived in Virginia my entire life. You have lived everywhere, you can associate with all sections of the country. Honestly the answer lies with you. What do you consider yourself to be? Thats the important part, who cares what anyone else thinks.

  • @RevBillyRayCollins And i consider you a pig dog Traitor . The only American is a new englander we founded this nation we strove first for freedom we are the strongest we are the smartest you are pig dog proddie scum

  • @TThorne931 Why do you persist with this idiocracy? You are a dirty rotten racist bigot who isn't worth the space you consume.

    Do you forget that the first permanent English colony in North America was in Jamestown, Virginia? And the first representative form of government in the colonies was there as well? 4 of the 1st 5 presidents were Virginian? The Bill of Rights was based off the Virginia Const, and the Const was taken from the Iroqouis Confederacy, and all of the original important

  • @TThorne931 documents were written by Virginians? Like the Dec of Inep, and the Const. Im not saying this is a Virginia nation, because thats stupid, everybody created this nation, but to say this is a new england nation is just rediculous. All you guys are is a bunch of limp dick gay liberals who are destroying the very purpose of the Const. I would be ashamed to be a yankee.

  • @RevBillyRayCollins yeah for without Adams and Franklin your idiot slave rapist jefferson ( the first president to put the US into debt BTW ) would ever write anything good . New England is the epitome of Democracy and Union America . liberals means we won't chant let them die at our rallies or threaten to bring guns like your tea party does . New England is Amerca the best of America

  • @ohiofan1954 Following the tactics of these 'genuises' you wrote of Generals Bradley and Eisenhower threw away tens of thousands of American soldiers at Brest, Aachen and the bloody Huertgen Forest. They set the US up for the near catastrophe (and bloodbath) of the Bulge. This is called attrition tactics. The implementation in the south included terrorizing the civilian population - very much like the crimes for which we hung Germans and Japanese after WWII.

  • The South Was Right. Marines Vietnam 1968-18 years old. Member Sons Of Confederate Veterans. I fly only the Battle Flag and Marine Corps Flag.Semper Fi Dixie.Patrick Fogerty. Teach your children the Truth. Not the lies we were taught by the gov.

  • @pokysamgg Too bad the South made the mistake of keeping slavery legal and trying secede at the same time. They might've won if they had "freed the slaves, then fired on Fort Sumter (James Longstreet)."

  • @ohiofan1954 Yea we had great troops and skill but our leaders sucked.........

  • Wow..........racist, insane people, and just plain old dumb people troll spot pf the century.

  • Why is everyone hiding from slavery like it is a terrible thing . It was a blessing for the race . I think everyone thinks this including the Blacks but is afraid to admit it . The Blacks are just milking it for all it's worth which is understandable . But I have had a black person tell me this about Slavery

    ''Thank goodness for Slavery or my husband would be skinning a monkey or climbing a tree for coconuts. '' (Don't think they grow in Africa )

  • @mollymu1 LOL! Painfully true.

  • @ohiofan1954 Yes God Bless Sherman and his crusaders

  • @ohiofan1954 Dixie Song is union song  mr osama . And it si true rattlesnakes and alligators Land of Traitors

  • @ohiofan1954 you should be dragged out and shot for your Anti America statment i bet you cheered on 9/11 didn't you . Filthy Terrorist goosestepping over the land of the free

  • TThorne931 You are the most confused individual i've ever seen post on youtube-THAT IS A FUCKIN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

    The South is a pot of many different cultures and views. We may not all agree but we are all southerners so we try to get along reguardless of race. Yes we fail at it at times but we are only human. Our culture can be traced back to the very earliest settlers. One small part of my family came over the mountains to Tennesse before we were even a country

    Damn Yankee.

  • @valcan321 The south is an evil place needing eradication  and desicration and demoralization to preserve America. We would still be strong against communism without the Southern Republican

  • @Capt. America

    Explain how we would be stronger? Looks to me like it is the California and New York Liberals. Arn't both Yankee states?

  • @mikew194 no they are northern by location New England is the Yankee homeland

  • @TThorne931 Without the South America would lose practically all tradition,The good food of Louisiana,The good Whiskey of Tennesee.When people think of America they think of the South.Hamburgers,football,Smal­l towns,and hospitality.They think of Cowboys AND INDIANS in the Wild west.Not to mention nearly 2/3 of Americans live in the South.And it was Confederate States of America.So we're all Americans.

  • @XxDevin2xX oh god no my greasy fried food oh no. and no whiskey made by sister fuckers oh no no more incest liquour . When i think of the south i see Fat Religous Enemies of state. the communist Bachmen and perry identfy your face . and they would remember the northern fist slapping away savages not the southern one suckign every indians dick . and no it was the Southern REICH protecterate get it right the name of Americans is to the FREE UNIONIST MEN

  • @TThorne931 Damn you are stupid, that is all I have to say.

  • @XxDevin2xX thats only thing that arrives from the south

  • @TThorne931 Well alright.when I seem to know more than you.Oh sorry I mean FACTS not the bullshit you speak of.

  • @XxDevin2xX shut your god damm nazi praising mouth southerner

  • @TThorne931 Haha and thats why the South seceded, you sound a little Mad Billy yank? lol

  • @XxDevin2xX nope nazi how about you go burn some ore US flags

  • @TThorne931 No thank you Billy Yank,And I aint a Nazi.Im just a good ole' American you seem to be the one who holds a grudge

  • @XxDevin2xX you can't be southern and a Good American

  • @TThorne931 Well Nobodys Perfect and at least Southerners are patriots

  • @XxDevin2xX nope 

  • @TThorne931 Well hell Billy Yank you seem to agree with nothin.

  • @TThorne931 No smart ass reply?

  • @XxDevin2xX fine your a nigger

  • @TThorne931 Ohhh that killed me, honestly thats it? I thought trolls can always come back with one?

  • @TThorne931 your one stupid fucker

    

  • @mrbinius1 how about you piss you racist fuck

  • @patton890 sorry that was for tthorne

  • @patton890  Why am i the Racist i only support whole hearted Genocidal Decimation of anyone with Confederate or Copperhead blood

  • @TThorne931 uh yeah!

  • @TThorne931 how about you piss off you racist yankee fuck

  • @valcan321 Why do you think your openion Matters for anything this is a NORTH american Nation not SOUTH American

  • I love it when I see all these people who take the first thing they here as gospel...The confederacy was not a bad thing at all...as a matter of fact it was merely going back to America's roots before the states federated...there was nothing more or less deprived than there was in the unionest states. History's gotta be told, but can we at least leave the politicised modern crap out of it, please?

  • @BorsBaledwyr no it was very evil like nazi germany but more evil then even them . they were savage barbaric slavers seeking to Rape America and conquer her under their Jackboots. and no we shall view the evil of the Southern Death Camps and their massacres and their enslavment of US soldiers as what it is evil . FUCK THE SOUTH GOTT MIT US

  • I really can't stand when yanks listen to the schools history books, which lie about almost everything that happened in the war.

  • @history32jr yeah and fuck history books about the holocaust let us ask nazis what actually happened

  • Ted Turner plays Col. Tazewell Patton, who was only 28 years old in 1863. John Bell Hood was only 32 yrs old then, but in this movie he is played by a much older actor as well.

  • "I'd like the full version with these people"

  • Why hasn`t the singer an enormous walrus moustache like everybody else ?And why have they got a flamenco dancer?

  • @bazzatheblue from texas, mexican inspired.

  • I love this song but is that an Asian lady up there on stage with the flag?

  • @theGisforGravy1 She looks slightly Spanish to me. It's mentioned during the song that the people putting on the show are from Texas, so I suppose that would account for it.

  • @theGisforGravy1 she seems more kind of mexican to me dude

  • @KroM234 From whom do you think Texas declared independence? Most of the population of Texas, California, New Mexico and several other states is of primarily of Mexican and German decent. Back in the days of the Civil War it wouldn't be strange to see a Mexican in Texas, because Mexicans comprised around 70% of the population of the state.

  • @DaniOcean Texans declared independence to ensure slavery was protected

  • @TThorne931 You apprently know nothing of history. You only know what the "history books" teach you. When I say "history books" I mean the ones in the schools that only teach what they want. Since the north won, those specific school books only teach you what the north wants, and what the north wants is to make it look like they weren't wrong when they invaded the south. I do believe your refering to their original indepence, but the "history books" make it look like the factors leading up to

  • @TThorne931 the Civil War was nothing but slavery. If you want to make a real arguement, read a real history book. Not one that makes one side look like they were right just because they didn't want it to look like they were wrongly invading another legal nation.

  • @history32jr no it was fully about Slavery and Trampeling the rights of Free men and to expand and evil empire of communists and slavers across the Free united states . and yes the south was wrong invading hte north in the War of southern agression

  • @TThorne931 Yep, when your argueing with a person who knows nothing of what they are argueing, you can't win. It's like two people argueing about religion and darwinism. Only this time, one side has enough evidence to completely crush the other side. And I'm on the side that is right. Your arguement makes you seem as if your twelve, so I will not argue any further.

  • @history32jr the south has no proof of their war was anything but for slavery and to rape and pillage Free America . Also i forgot you people down south think evolution isn't true i forgot how retarded you inbreed are

  • @TThorne931 Omg, you really are retarded. You know the north invaded the south correct? Lol, why am I even trying to argue with you. All your points are the exact opposite of what happened.

  • @history32jr no the south invaded the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in an OFFENSIVE war to conquer her and were beaten out not before occupying 13 us states

  • @TThorne931 Alright ive already argued with you before but I honestly dont feel like going through that B.S again but im just going to tell you a fact so dont get pissy,Only 20% of southern men owned slaves.And that was usually the Richer and leading of the government,so in a way true it was about slavery though theres more issues.But most soldiers in the C.S.A never owned a slave nor really cared for it.But im just saying to clear it up,im happy America is one,but Im still proud for the South.

  • @XxDevin2xX every southern owned slaves they used to rape them once a week the process of fucking you sister in the south came from emancipation they had to rape something else. stop being proud of nazi slavers and you will be right

  • @TThorne931 If thats what you think to help you sleep at night, but come on get a life I told you it was a fact not an opinion(in other words to you, its proven) But why so mad at everything?Just calm down.

  • @XxDevin2xX This is the Truth as much as how God Delievered the union unto earth and made her strong against all who oppose her will

  • @TThorne931 United States Constitution was based on Virginia Const. George Washington from Virginia. America started in the SOUTH. And theres more races down here than there is up north.So yea theres going to be Rascism but not just by whites.

  • @XxDevin2xX scilence you nazi belief system . America is northern New England is the Truest America all is based off of our laws . Vigrinia is the somalia of America . Washington was a coaward who should have been drawn and quartered in public for his cowardice to Defend America . And you got niggers and spics thats your fault

  • @TThorne931 You call me a Nazi? Then turn around and start calling people Niggers and spics?I guess your understanding of Racism is kindve hazy.And calling Washington a coward is the most un-american thing ive heard.And sorry lad but no,New England is not where America started nor is that were the laws are from.Most presidents are actually from the South.

  • @XxDevin2xX nazism is a polotical party why you equate it for distrust of africans and hispanics is odd. And washington was a cock sucking faggot who failed as a general . and No New England gave America what America is And we are the only True Americans

  • @TThorne931 Yes I know it is, and I was equating it with their view of Jews. And no New England is not "the only true americans"All Americans are true americans,as long as they are Citizens and abide by the law.And Im Native American,if your actually gonna sit there and say your only Americans.You might have to read history.

  • @XxDevin2xX jew isn't a race its a religion .  Native americans should had been wiped out to a man never had the indian wars if we had no mercy . and no New England is the Truest americans southerners and others forgot liberty forgot america we preserve it

  • BTW the single most racist people I have met have all been Yankees.

    Whats more is that usually when a southerner uses the n word it is pretty much describing a cultural group such as the inner city populations reguardless of color and isnt really invested with much emotion. Its like the rain to us you have always been that way.

    Alot of yankees? The most hateful arrogant and racist shit comes out of their mouth.

    Much like you. Ignorant and bitter. Anti American in everyway.

  • @TThorne931 Natives shuda been wiped out? spoken like a "True America". piss off you racist

  • @patton890 even with metis blood in my viens the native should had been eradicated the western ones were savages war mongers the eastern were weak

  • @TThorne931 The Eastern ones are weak? They helped In every war and New England become a state.Learn some history before start commenting about dumb shit.

  • @XxDevin2xX yes and then we smashed them and drove them out well the northern ones our unsophisticated southern children couldn't win without us against the natives

  • @patton890 Yea dude He talking to me and he apparently doesnt know much outside of New England.

  • @XxDevin2xX haha true. why we even botherin with him?

  • @TThorne931 Yet again never said it wasnt, and true but most military historians agree,If all Native Nations united,white men would never have set foot on America.And have you ever traveled outside of New England? Have you been through America?True most forget how fortunate we are for living in this country but thats everywhere.Not just North South West or East.All Americans take it for granted what we have here.

  • @XxDevin2xX Yes and i wanted to burn it all down and destroy it filthy and un civilized the Southern Reglious Barbarians the Mid lands paranoid anti american Radicals and the West Coasts Relaxed nature showing laziness and no strong back New England Uber Alles DER WELT

  • @KroM234  she is a slave

  • Too bad they didn't add this to the soundtrack. There's a lot of music I wish the would have added to the cd.

  • I love this song!! Respect and greetings from Italy!

  • @MegaPaddyo

    The flag of Somalia is a light blue. The Bonnie Blue Flag is supposed to be a darkish blue.

  • @22Arkantos Also: Somalia did not exist at the time.. so if anything, the Somalians copied the bonnie blue flag.

  • we're a band of brothers, native to the soil!

  • Zigie, looks like him!

  • i´m just watching the dvd and i was wondering if the guy wearing a kepi to the right of the singer at ca. 0:58 is david kincaid?

  • How butch.

  • Beautiful!

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  • @powerdriller10

    Excuse me?

    That wouldn't be "making it more realistic", that would be "coloring perception in true hollywood style". I'm not going to thump my chest and proclaim him to be a paragon of virtue - I have no doubt there's truth in what you describe - but whether he was kindly towards slaves or not, trying to make him yet another racist monster for your little campaigns will not stand.

  • Happy 'Bonnie Blue' Flag Day! ;-)

  • I knew there was a reason I like (love) Jefferson Davis & I'm from Massachusetts gayest state in the union

  • God, make Ted shut up!!!!

  • good song

  • Over a year ago I saw some videos here on YouTube dealing with the possibility of some states seceeding from the U.S. in the near future. Obviously nothing has happened.

  • Atrocities: Some generals like Custer did try to control crimes against civilians. Custer had several Union troops hung for rape. He generally treated his prisoners well. Even after the war he had federal soldiers punished in Texas for abusing citizens there, though many yankees did call him a Copperhead for doing so. The South did commit crimes too like the mass execution of captured black soldiers and the guerilla tatics used particularly in the West. Was either side squeaky clean?

  • Damon Kirsche can be found on face book and you may be able to catch him in concert at some time. He performed last year in San Francisco. He has an impressive Broadway list of credits. I think he should star in a movie about Harry McCarthy and his exploits during the Civil War. His wife Lottie was an incredible and brave woman.

  • Who is the singer? Is that his actual voice? Magnificent.

  • @skiprydell1 : That is Damon Kirsche and he is actually singing. An excellent singer and dancer who's done some acting including a guess role in one of the Star Trek The Next Generation episodes. Harry McCarthy (the man he is portraying) was said to be thin and have thick black hair so he may have been a good choice. The husband and wife team portrayed actaully did perform for the troops in that area at that time. This scene is highly accurate based on eyewitness accounts of the show.

  • @Uzzite Thank you for the information! He's a great performer.....if only Ted Turner didn't have to have his own scene in his movies....

  • Reb nostalgics! Stop barking"vindicies", you´ll never dare to bite. The Union is indivisible and forever !

    Why don´t you better take a look at the video "Brigadas Internacionales - Song of the LINCOLN BATTALION Russian Version" ? You´ll see the bravest americans ever, who fought to death in the 1936 Spaniard War,all of them were northern, yankee, liberal and atheist.100 were very educated blacks, and know what?! The AntiAircraft Unit was named "John Brown" and shot down mighty nazi AirFighters.

  • @powerdriller10 if anyone in the civil war was like the nazies its the union their troops raped, pilaged, and killed men women and children regardless of age just to expand a imaginary line just like the nazies their leader lincoln silented newspaper that spoked against him just like hitler and after finishing their genocide of the south they finished their genocide of the indians since then the us empire has done a good job of expanding around the world

  • @powerdriller10 also being an atheist and going to hell is nothing to be proud of

  • @tRicKyTuRok

    Actually, hell does not exist, it is a stupid superstition that gullible people like you believe. And being an atheistic is something to be proud of, because means having rejected the bull-shit that one was forced to learn and believe when one was a child. It means beating the monster of ignorance in an up-hill battle.

  • @powerdriller10 you dont have any proof that hell doesnt exist and if your not just being gullible yourself then you need proof

  • @powerdriller10 Oh no another atheist troll what must we do :/

  • @powerdriller10 your an idiot Lincoln was republican and I don't give 2 shits if your an atheist or not. Being atheist doesnt make a country or a group of people any better.

  • @powerdriller10 I am myself a non believer but still I would be happier if south has won the civil war.

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  • I had family who fought for Dixie and have had family fight in every war for our Glorious Union ever since. Still I feel an attachment to the south. It calls me to return home, but now I'm an old sick man, destined to die here in the north. This song 'Take me home' breaks my heart! The lyric 'this road to take me home' I fear will be death. But on my last breath if I find I'm on the road that takes me home, let see the Bonnie Blue Flag when I reach the other side.

  • @Sistarovat Nearly everyone back then was racist BUT at least Lincoln was morally against slavery. Also, the South had no right to secede. Lincoln did not even try to ban slaver