i dont agree with the death penalty and really like stephen fry, but his argument is flawed, if you take it to the logical conclusion it would mean that someone that is bipolar can't commit a crime because they cant be held responsible for their actions, and one step further is that someone that is bipolar cant be held responsible for anything they did, good or bad, they are simply a manifestation of bipolarism
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
If a Chinese celebrity who's unheard of in the UK posts a video to protest a case in the UK, in Chinese, w/ Chinese title, description, & tags, w/ no English subtitles, how many ppl in the UK will even see the video?
Only ingrained arrogant empirialistic mindset of the British who still think they own the world, every part of the world is an extension of themselves, & forgets they FAILED in colonizing China, would do something like this and expect to see an effect.
@shwwnn He wants to raise awareness of the case and says he hopes they will see the right thing to do. He would know from the offset that they wouldn't see or base their decision on the video. You are ignorant and have fallen for the stereotypes that the media feeds you.
I will assume your American when I say that I could say a lot about your countries history and make a statement about the behaviour of all Americans in regards to that, but it quite simply wouldn't be try.
@SubRosaSpear what stereotypes? You are telling me Britain is not an imperialistic country? That's a fact, not a stereotype. If u think Britain's imperialistic nature is just false image produced by American propaganda, then u r very ignorant of ur own country. And if you bother to check, Fry had absolutely NO effect on China's sentencing of this man. So, I was right.
I agree w/ u about the US being imperialistic and hegemonic.
@shwwnn Britain is not Imperialistic, they currently consist of Wales, Scotland, England, and Northern Ireland. All of whom decide that it is for their benefit they remain part of Britain.
They are not subordinate, they are not controlling, and at no point do any country openly express their will to leave.
America is also not Imperialistic, it is one country, how could it be Imperialistic?
In history Britain could be viewed that way, however it is not now, and to stereotype the people of...
@SubRosaSpear In history, Britain exploited India w/o having to make India officially part of Britain, but it was still imperialistic and nobody doubts that. The simple fact that US or Britain is exploiting areas around the world using military violence w/o making that country officially part of them does not exonerate them from imperialism.
Your attempt to exonerate US or Britain from its imperialistic crimes by the simple argument that "it is one country" is shameless and an outright lie.
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
@shwwnn ...because he respects the fact that they have their own laws.
Also he asks that people support the case, and that people research it, so he is clearly trying to spread awareness about it.
It's called news, telling people about things that go on in the world. If you are honestly trying to tell me that you think when someone says ''Stop cancer'', they are literally campaigning directly to cancer itself, then you need to rethink your life.
@SubRosaSpear So you are saying in this video he's simply spreading news and NOTHING more? You don't hear him obviously asking China for something? You don't hear him saying at 1:57: "I wouldn't be standing here pleading clemency for someone if I didn't think there is a real case for mercy here. A real case where China can demonstrate that it does understand.."
Cancer is not a person u can appeal to, Chinese are, and he is appealing to them, to do things the way he sees fit.
@SubRosaSpear the way u try to spin this to portray him as simply spreading "news" and making an analogy to cancer shows what a shameless liar u r. the people saying "stop cancer" r not appealing to cancer itself. But in this case, Fry is appealing to Chinese, and making a judgement about how to deal w/ the case himself, and asking the Chinese to do it the way he sees fit.
Come to think of it...People with bipolar are not all innocent victims of mood. People are diverse.
Some people with bipolar blame things on their illness that was not strictly the case. Diversity plays a big part. Also, what did Akmal have? Purely a bipolar illness? Was it purely that? I have learned to try to control myself and I still have to be mindful. It has taken years. This is a controversial debate and not something to be addressed lightly. Bipolar effects people differently.
Stephen, I appreciate what you are attempting to convey but it is not being listened to by some low brows here due to the hatred for drugs and drug dealers. For some reason, the mental health issue is also making some people resentful. Indeed, enlightening some people is hard work. Good luck.
You are one of the sad people who mistakenly believe that we can reason and negotiate with the Chinese. As soon as you realize that this is pointless, the sooner we can deal with them.
@ehunter2 People mention victims all of the time, even when few exist. If you have bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, you have MUCH greater chances of being victimized than chances that you will have violent or antisocial tendencies. Still, put a schizophrenic in a crowded room and people will worry for the bystanders, not for the mentally ill person.
It's impossible to know how guilty Akmal was, but I find it shocking that he was denied mental health testing before sentencing.
YOU are an IDIOT, people with mental illness or disorders of ANY kind are more vulnerable to being victimized. Ask yourself this, who got picked on at school? The odd kid.
@panthera50 oh fuck off. yeah sure, drug dealers tricking a bipolar foreigner into smuggling a shit load of heroin that they're supposed to smuggle themselves is such a believable story.
@panthera50 fucking idiot. those kids are kidnapped and then trained for what they'll be forced to do. they don't just walk up to them and trick them into accepting 4 kilos of heroin.
perhaps it was akmal who should have grown a brain. oh well, too late now! they executed him already!
Well maybe they should not trust people then? Esp in a country like china... chinese are very crafty people.
Ive been there its a fucking shit hole, to be honest. So what the fuck was he doing there with a shit load of drugs knowing very well that he will get executed?
However if he knows someone in the CCP then everything is ok no problem, but he knows no one there. 50 grams of any drugs in CN is execution.
1. the killers who enjoy murdering mentally ill people - via a backward legal system - because it makes them feel superior. Check out the Reprive website as it bust China here.
2. Those who regret killing a mentally ill man - and want to improve both their human rights and dodgy legal system.
A few weeks ago and instructive was sent via teh Supreme Court to lower courts asking them not to impose illegal death sentences.
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Glad that we have executed Akmal Shaikh. Reprieve was wrong trying to protect him, UK was wrong as well. Akmal Shaikh was an evil scumbag who deserves the death penalty. I am glad that he is dead for what he did. Can't stop smiling for that. Very happy.
@Slapbass13 No, Akmal Shaikh is he troll, and we are the one who believe in Justice. Akaml Shaikh deserves to die for trying to take 4kg of heroin into China, and therefore he is a troll.
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8DX - the injustice of Israel and teh Jews was disobedience to God's Commands.
Led to Babylonian exile - and final annihilation of Jerusalem by Romans in 70 AD.
As Israel failed to save world - God sent his own son - Jesus Christ - to die for teh sins of people and to turn away God's wrath - and to give people a true morality through The Holy Spirit - after they accepted Christ and were reborn.
Non Christians have a natural conscience - which tells them what is right and wrong.
Basic view - is that everyone in life should know God from what exists in life - people and universe. People refused to worship true God and worship created things - idols - or own ideas or systems - and so sinned - and because objects of wrath.
God chose Israel/Abraham to reveal himself - and to reveal God to teh world - and it indeed involved a lot of killing of idolatorus original inhabitants.
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British drug traffickers Akmal Shaihk brought 4kg of heroin into China, according to Chinese law, that is good enough to execute him dozens of times. With clear facts and evidence, sentenced to the death penalty is perfectly correct. UK gov was wrong to intervene or to ask our gov to intervene the decision of the court. UK media was wrong to believe words from Reprieve as they are words with no proof. I repeat, the execution of Akmal Shaikh was justice, legal & nothng wrong with that, accept it!
China cancels UK human rights summit after Akmal Shaikh execution
Yup - the Chinese think that they have the right and authority to execute mentally ill foreigners in front of the watching world.
Read this from Jeremiah:
This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
@chinditone China hasnt cancelled, but merely postponed the summit, lets not pre-empt the reason why..
The purpose of your quote from Jeremiah is?...
Biblical quotes have little meaning other than to those who hold belief in the book itself...and I personally dont live my life according to a book that references 'dashing babies against rocks' (Psalm 137:4)...but i respect your right to do so, but wldnt suggest it aides ur criticism of what u deem to be a cruel country ie China
Fartey - China - has been caught abusing human rights - executed a mentally ill man - and has behaved with petulance - and cancelled the Summit.
These are the actions of a nasty bully who believes the world revolves around them. I grew up in South Africa under a similarly nasty Bully regime - and like all dark regimes - they hate being brought out into the light of the truth.
The Jeremiah quote is in a section on justice - be just or be punished. Don't spill the blood of an alien.
ur quoting a book that you as a Christian believe is inspired by God, whether it be old or new testament..you talk of justice, morality and murder of innocents..the book you are quoting is filled with references about murder of innocent men women children by Gods commandment...u honestly believe a book inspired by God wld reference such atrocities? 10 commandment do nt murder,then after that was given..bible is full of murder murder murder..dnt quote bible when talking about morality and justice
Fartey - I am a strong believer in teh element of evil - or Satan - and that people and societies are thus capable of incredible evil.
There is certainly a lot of killing in the OT - but times were primitive - and that was the way of teh world. Look at China's first emperor - look at the Mayan cultures - Attila the Hun - Ghenghis Khan. History has shown a lot of senseless killing.
We have certainly witnessed a lot of it over the last 100 years - in all countries.
I think his point was that there is a lot of killing in the OT .. directly or indirectly COMMANDED BY GOD.
The God of the OT commands genocide in many instances.
So the question is not whether these primitive tribes knew what was good or not, but whether the OT can be trusted, whether the God of the OT has any bearing on reality (if genocidal, then not God?)
Fartey - I guess you have not lived through Aushwitz, Pol Pot's Regime, , Joseph Stalin, The Rape of Nanjing, or seen any mind blowing atrocities.
Human Beings have dark as well as light emotions. The Bible captures all sorts of emotions. I suspect that the emotions of the Psalm 137 writer is that of a witness to Babylonian atrocities - and had seen a baby being dashed on the rocks. His emotions - in an eye for an eye culture - wanted to see his enemies getting his own medicine.
Fartey - Psalm 137 are raw emotions - as the writer was still in captivity.
What to do with a cruel country is a big question? We are not living in an eye for an eye culture of the Old Testament but the grace culture of teh New Testament - where repentance brings life and a new creation - obviously in Christ.
China needs to be confronted with the tuth - and given time to repent and change its ways. Human beings are not going to go away - and so China needs to learn how to get it right.
chinditione cld we pls keep to the subject at hand, as u are manipulating my comments so that other members will think i dislike and condone discrimination against the mentally ill...tread carefully, as u know full well that my argument has been that there is a consensus of opinion that the chap was not mentally ill..my lack of distain for the Chinese govnt is rooted in my belief that AS was not evidentially 'mentally ill' and not that i wish to see the mentally ill euthanised..
fartey - unfortunately - the evidence - is very very strong in the direction that Akmal Shaikh was mentally ill.
It is criminal that the Chinese court - or the Chinese Prime minister - did not bring in a psychiatrist to establish Shaikh's mental condition - when his life was at stake.
I personally realize that Herion smuggling is a big deal - and even though I do not support the death penalty - I can understand it being used on people who destroy lives.
PLAUSIBLE ARGUEMENT: China may have made a mistake, AS may have had a disorder, however there was no balance historical evidence that he had, was diagnosed, or being treated for mental illness,so thats why it was decided not to have an assessment. INPLAUISBLE ARGUEMENT: i buy all the biased info about this case and will side with the assumption that he was def innocent, def mentally ill, was duped,and the Chinese are evil murderers who kept this guy for 2 yrs and then cold bloodily murdered him.
But Chinditone ur arguement doesnt need a professional psychiatrist to be brought into the court...u have already decided he was mentally ill based on the biased and loaded report from Reprieve thats based on hearsay
Fartey - there is pretty much caste iron evidence that Akmal Shaikh was mentally ill - which makes teh Chinese culpable for refusing it.
On top of a professional psychiatrist saying that Akmal Shaikh was delusional - there are also 6 Witness Statements stating that he was mentally ill - from people who knew him from Poland.
Reprieves perceived injustice was that a mentally ill man had been killed by a kangaroo court.
The British Psychiatrist said he was most likely delusional.
Repreive did not say this just for the sake of saving Shailh - Reprive also hs Polish Witnesses and Statements which back up teh fact that Akmal was mentally ill.
This is what a Polish Roman Catholic Priest says:
"Akmals mental state seemed to deteriorate over the time I knew him."
expander321, good point, however what ppl dnt realise with Reprieve is they wld have fought for a reprieve even without all the bi-polar, mental illness cla trap (i say clap trap becos its a smokescreen in this case)..Reprieve wld try to help anyone facing a deathj sentence whether tehy are guilty ro not as tehy dnt agree with death sentence and have an issue with China and Human Rights there in general...
hahhaha...the professional psychiatrists opinion was biased, and based on hearsay of what ppl had said about the guy, not on any form of assessment...luckily, majority of opinion on this matter sides with teh facts and exactly what i have said...lets recap...he was not mentally ill, no producible evidence except a biased report based on hearsay accounts, by a specialist of a group whos purpose was to get the guy reprieved, and a drug trafficking fan base screaming 'but what if...'..
If you're a professional and you know the knowledge you have can save the life of another human being (who you could PROVE didn't deserve to die!), I'd like to think you'd be a bit biassed too!
You admit one side of the facts: he had drugs in his posession. But you deny another side of the story - he was clearly mentaly ill and needed to be treated as such; his was an exceptional case.
Nutshell :-) I'm off to work now, gotta make money to live, but will chat later. Cheers!
@expander321 i dnt just admit one side of the story,i merely refute the other side.I refute that there is enough evidence to claim he was mentally ill,evidence provided was refuted by the China on the basis that none was provided by AS, and there was no documntd evidence of him suffering from any mental affliction,being diagnosed with one,or being treated for one,this was only portrayed after the fact,based on hearsay of friends n family,and on loaded specialist evaluation based on that hearsay.
I respect that you draw a clear distinction between discrimination against mentally ill people, and the requirement for evidence to convict AS. However, in this instance I believe chinditone's comments about evidence are closest to the truth.
Also, have you heard AS's song?? Not to disrespect his memory, but on the basis of that, I think the average person in the street would be able to tell the guy wasn't all there - there was something wrong somewhere long before he went to China! :-)
..admittedly his song doesnt fill me with absolute confidence about his mental health...most of the songs in the current top 40 also give me sleepless nights regarding the artists sanity :D
Again, interesting point...i wonder tho if he was still alive, whether ppl wld suggest his lyrical and rhythmic ability as the '5th Beatle' showed signs of a mental illness..
Ironically Im sure his family at the time wld have been outraged at such suggestion,but purport such a defence now.
Your posts dont warrant much of a response anymore...they are contradictory and laughable..of course Reprieves own professional psychiatrist said that ....hmmmm, what was Reprieve trying to do all this time...hmmm....of course, get AS acquitted!...their psychiatrist isnt gna come out and say anything but that is he!
Fartey - your refusal to listen to a professional psychiatrists - is 100% proof that you are being deliberate unreasonable.
If I were being nice - I would say that you are being silly - because you hate losing an argument - even when you are patently wrong.
The other alternative to the above - if you are not arguing for arguments sake - is that you - like teh Chinese - enjoy murdering helpless mentally ill people.
I agree that Reprieve wanted AS aquitted (obviously!!) , but WHY did they want him aquitted? The reason: because they saw what they perceived to be an injustice that was about to take place. So what's wrong about that?
Fartey - a professional psychiatrist - should have been brought into teh court. The Chinese could have supplied their own.
By refusing to allow a psychiatrist - after initially allowing it - teh Chinese have been seen to deliberately kill a mentally ill man - which is despicable.
FFS u have no proof he was mentally ill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stephen Fry has bi-polar, is he metally ill? My attack is not on the mentally ill, ur the retard here...if u understood a word ive said is that tehre was no evidence of diagnosed mental illness thats why he deserved it..claiming he was mentally ill is an insult to the mentally ill therefore ur actions are despicable
You have absoultely no grounds for ur stance because it is based on assumptions..
Bi-polar disorder is an acute and debilitating disease and is described by the expert Dr Kay Jamison of John Hopkins University School of Medicine as destroying the basis of rational thought. Occasionally, severe episodes of mania or depression include symptoms of psychosis or psychotic symptoms. It is highly likely that these professional drug smugglers knew that he was suffering from a mental illness
and dnt come back saying 'neither can u prove it, cos i dnt have to..he was caught with the drugs, my decision is based on factual evidence...ur siding with circumstancial anomolies...what ifs...maybe's....im not prepared to brandish the terms 'innocent' and 'mentally' ill on a whim..
Fartey - stop your despicable attack on mentally ill people - and seek the truth.
READ what Reprieve says:
The most important issue in the case is Akmals mental health. The Chinese authorities originally indicated a willingness to allow him to be assessed by a local doctor, but the court subsequently refused. Reprieve immediately sought permission for British psychologist Dr Schaapveld to see Akmal, and paid for him to fly to China - where he too was inexplicably refused access.
The reason i say u have placed urself on teh wrong side of teh fence is because 1)u have no proof he was mentally ill, ur summizing that a psychiatric evaluation wld have confirmed that! 2)u have no proof that he was innocent and wasnt in on it, how do u know he wasnt aware of the drugs? becos he said he wasnt ? cmon, ur gna take the word of a drug trafficker? 3)how do u know that the plan wasnt 'if im caught, il say a,b,c and say i was duped...u cannot prove any of those things.
Fartey - everyone who respects life - and protects mentally ill people from murderers - and killing regimes - is on my side of teh fence.
Only liars - bullies - those who hate justice - those who hate human rights - the unfair -psychotically ill - kangaroo court maniacs - those who hate teh mentally ill - the lazy -the unreasonable - gaga - people are on your side of the fence.
And yes, his family cannot complain when they did nothing to stop his galavanting, but as soon as he got in trouble they were so concerned about his mental health issues, and ranted about the Chinese, and even said the UK govnmt and Reprieve didnt do enough... i read he was almost homeless and penniless in poland..again where were his family...hmmmmm homeless and penniless, sounds like the right recipe for making some money through drug trafficking..
@chinditone Amnesty Int own website...quote 'Reprieve, had proposed to carry out mental health examinations on Shaikh but they have not offered evidence that he may be suffering from a mental disorder' (23/12/09)...if there was no producable evidence to suggest he had mental health issues, why wld the Chinese entertain a psychiatric assessment..tell me, if u were he, and u were caught as he was, what plan wld u devise to get out of jail free?
A British small business owner from North London, Akmal was married with five children.
Akmal had a lifelong history of very strange behaviour, and Reprieve uncovered vital evidence that he suffered from an extremely serious mental condition.
A preliminary medical report by clinical psychologist Dr Peter Schaapveld suggests that the odd decisions leading up to Akmals offence were most likely influenced by some form of delusional psychosis.
why should the guy deserve a psychiatric evaluation...he didnt do anything that particularly pertains to menatlly ill ppl...he didnt murder or rape anyone, he didnt attempt to murder or rape anyone...he smuggled drugs...should everyone caught with drugs be given the privledge of psychiatric evaluations no matter how big or small the catch?...and at whos expense...oh pls, thats farsical .
Fartey - I am afraid its all down to your view of a human life and what its worth.
If human life is precious - then execution and death needs to be taken seriously - so that innocent people - collateral damage - are not killed.
China 100% refused to value life in this instance - and refused to allow a psychiatrist to come in from Britain - or even to alllow a Chinese psychiatrist - to evalute Akmal Shaikh for teh court.
This tells everyone that China has a zero value on human life.
Fartey - human life is precious - and society needs to protect life.
If you don't agree - and ask yourself - would like your life terminated.
Your family and realtives and friends would not like this to happen.
If you had none of teh above - then society itself - if it values life - should protect you.
China - if it is going to execute people - must ensure 100% guilt. This means ensuring 100% mental awareness of what went on. If not China will end up executing children as well.
ur not just arguing a case about his lack of psychiatric evaluation, if u were u wld not have had such a strong stance, u wld stay neutral...i on the other hand, as with others, can have the priveldge of assuming his guilt as he was caught red handed...and i can healthily assume as the Chinese authorities did , that anyone caught red handed wld plead ignorance and mentally ill...i stand by my decision not to give the benfit of the doubt to the herion smuggler..u wld however rather side with him.
chinditone..no, his family dont have anything to apologose to china about, they didnt commit andy crimeas against china...they just have to stop bitching about teh situation and mourn in peace without blamining other people.....as i have stated b4, urs and too many others are referring to the murder of an innocent man when U DO NOT KNOW he was innocent...ur assuming that China is bad, and he was menatlly ill...
How can britain harp on about human rights when our prisons are full of people who should have been executed and then they are released only to kill rape and rob decent people,It seems that only the scum have human rights,If our laws and prisons were like those in china,Britain would be a safer place to live.WELL DONE CHINA.
Every country needs a just and fair and effective Justice system. It must work - and be seen to work.
Punish the genuinely guilty with appropriate punishment. Killers locked up or executed etc.
The issue here is that the Genuine scum have got away - the Polish Gangsters who put the Herion in a mentally ill man's baggage - have got away. Akmal - who is mentally disabled - is killed!!
When murderers are allowed out to continue killing - it makes this conversation ridiculous.
exactly...all well and good friends and family all come out of the woodwork after the fact dont they ..'akmal was so unwell, he wasnt aware what he was doing'....why didnt they do it before he muscled in on his smack deal...why were they letting him jet set around the world like a modern day tony montana...why didnt they lock him in a room watching old episodes of Grange Hill with Zamo's and the 'just say no' song..
Fartey - family is poor - Akmal moved to Poland to continue his life. Ebdd up on the streets there.
The family certainly should have apologised to China.
Chinese legal sysem is so corrupt - he did not get a proper trial and he had no psychiatric assesment - and China refused their request for a British Psychiatrist to visit. China is no friend of teh family.
It would be a bit like thanking the Nazi's for killing your brother but having the decency not to kill you.
What really bugs me is how some people think the East is really spiritual compared to the West, which is of course really greed and materialist!
In reality China is no more spiritual than us...or if it is, who cares how spiritual when their government behaves like animals? Doesn't seem to make them any more humane at any rate!
dont think he'd want any witnesses to his recent behaviour in court... theyd bear witness that he was pretty damn good at a) bartering a 60/40 payment upon delivery of merchandise, and b)stepping up to the krypton factor challenge of fitting 4x1kg packs of heroin into his samsonite :D
Fartey - you need to Google Bi-polar disorder - as its a complex condition - and you are way off track on this..
As to most of your comments - they are just childish.
If your own neck was on the line - or if your neck was in teh noose - and it depended upon your mental state of consiousness - you would want a psychiatrist to assess you. If you were too far gone to want it - at least your family, relatives, and decent citizens would.
Perhaps Akmal had got too caught up in quality control for ACME's East European division and his grand schemes stemmed from sampling too much of his own product...
(Note to myself ...if a stranger named Carlos packs a bag for me and sends me on my way with a prepaid 1way ticket , final destination Asia, be mildly cautious..)
"are you carrying anything in bags that is illegal"
Akmal Shaikh "no"
Case Closed.
Bi-polar defence destroyed and people like bend nose fry should take their macbook out their arse and question things like this before running to the blind defence of this so called mental uk person.
Loadsanonsence - the real mental thing is that China suckered the world into thinking it was a decent law abiding place that practiced human rights.
China's barbaric execution of a mentally ill Mr Akmal Shaikh has ended that delusion. We all now know that China does not have justice or human rights.
The scumbabs are still at large as the Chinese have not managed to capture any of the Polish drug gang that tricked Akmal Shaikh. China seeems more interested in murdering Shaikh?
keep on harping on nobody TRICKED him. he KNEW, just like he KNEW when they asked him if anyone packed his bags at the airport.
He ran a business in the uk musta had an ounce of sense in his head but the moment he gets caught of course hes a nut job that don't deserve it.
Cry on all you want about it, the fact remains he broke the law he got the sentence and it was carried out. let it be a lesson to other idiots who try to smuggle dope.
Loadsanonsence - how can mentally ill people know - the point is that they can't?
Nations that do not care for truth like China - or liars - would state that Shaikh knew what he was doing.
All reasonable people would call a professional psychiatrist + witnesses of Shaikh's recent behaviour - into the court - to establish exactly how Complus Mentus Shaikh was.
If you are interested in truth - go and visit the REPRIEVE website and see what Shaikh's recent friends have to say.
oh give over you are just on a mission like the uk gov to bash china but guess what its china they dont give a toss nor should they. its their country and their law - he broke it.
learn the lesson peddle in dope in the far east and lose your life.
he had ample opportunity to say he was carrying someone elses bag but he didn't.
its always the same, get caught and try anything including insanity to get off. didnt work though did it.
furthermore I don't care what his so called mates have to say. if he was as nuts as you and these people "claim" why was he not in an institution or these so called mates ringing alarm bells on his little worldwide journey.
its just like mamma and pappa sending their kids to iraq and then crying foul when they cop a bullet. phhhffff
why do white middle class liberals hate the CCP?is it because theyre lifting a billion+people out of poverty and that means a billion less people to patronize?or is it because its the CHINESE CP-meaning that because you are white and middle class you dont automatically get to lead it?
You have a country that works - who cares for the poor in its society - where all - rich and poor - wise and foolish - are working together to build a great China. The achillese heel is that they lack human rights - and so may be working for nothing.
Taoism and Bhuddism and drugs do not provide human rights. The West's human rights come via teh Judaeo/Christian ethic - Man is made in teh Image of God - and we must love our neighbour as ourself.
Acidsleepinggirl - how is China going to human rights?
China's love of the poor is an ideology that came via Judaism/Marxism - it fits their own Confusian ideal of a Virtuous leader.
Taoism and Bhuddism ideologies are too self centred to actively reach out and help others. Read the Parable of the Good Samaritan which blows these dead ideologies out the Water.
China needs to discover Love and Christianity - in its own way - at teh National Level - to bridge the Love/Justice gap.
I read many good Brit citizens are thanking China for killing the drug dealing Islamic mother fvcker.
Brit Government spent too much time behind the Parliament sucking kocks, they can only provide millions of cameras in London to monitor the good citizens. CCP knows the root cause of terrorism, and fvck the terrorists at the root level.
Anti-Chinese mother fvckers should admit my CCP is the best in the world!
Mexican President Felipe Calderon executed over 30,000 drug dealers since he was democratically elected to power. Most of the executed victims may or may not be guilty.
If you are going to present fact, then present fact, otherwise, go back to the filthy wh0re who gave you birth.
Dawgshiteboy - without facts or truth - you continue to speak nonsence or shite.
Akmal Shaikh was not a drug dealer and had no history of drug dealing.
Akmal Shaikh was a mentally ill man taken advantage of by Polish drug dealers - and denied justice by Wen Jiaboa and the CCP and China's unjust legal system - and executed by China..
You are more insulting than me. China sees itself as a better drug freer country than drug infested Mexico - who supply the USA with drugs!!
maybe the chinese could straighten out mr frys nose before giving him a life stopping booster shot.
Shaik had 4kg of dope on him. if he was so mental why did he answer the question at check in about other peoples bags not truthfully. i'll tell you why because he KNEW the dope was there.
Screw him and screw the british government who are prepared to barter of dope dealers but give up computer hackers for 70 years in gitanimo i.e garry mckinnon. fooking joke!
Why don't you take your lifestyle to China - and see how it does down!!!
The Chinese are no great lovers of those who are voluntarily gaga - also - they are no great lovers of the voluntarily idle -when they are building a great nation!!
Of course - pre-warn your loved ones - and take out life insurance - before you go to China.
Funny how there are no atheists in foxholes!! Justice is always loved by Facists when their own life is threatened.
The Daily Telegraph reported today - the deputy chief of the Chinese Supreme Court - was arrested for accepting bribes from property developers.
You would think that Wen Jiaboa would personally protect the human rights of foreigners in his corrupt Chinese legal system. China's reputation is back to square one because of their refusal to allow a psychiatrist to evaluate Shiakh.
A country that does not respect human rights - with a corrupt legal system at its very top - cannot be respected.
i do believe the chinese didnt believe he was mentally ill thou, they executed him on the basis of the drugs he was carrying, and believed his condition to be a get out of jail free card..id be interested in hearing what punishment those calling for clemency wld have seen fit ...should he have just been released?..cos if his mental disposition was truly the reason, then in theory he had to walk free, cos surely any punishment wld have been unfair..
Farqcue- the Chinese deliberately denied him his huma nrights be refusing 27 request for a British psychiatrist to assess him.
The Chinese refused to provide a Chinese psychiatrist.
This is proof that teh Chinese deliberately murdered him - and are still a barberous and evil nation.
Are the Chinese telling us that they can't afford to keep Shaikh alive in prison? This is the country that manages to keep ovber 1 billion people alive? The Chinese - or CCP - are just liars!!
@chinditone i was genuinely stating that ud made a good point...i just disagree tho as im not a sympathiser for AS
i just havnt heard yet what level of clemency sympathisers expectd to see..royal pardon, downgraded sentence..genuinely curious, cos if he ws mentally ill then any punishment wld be futile..rest of his days locked up in an asylum? what punishment befits from such a crime?
I do think if Chinese were hell bent on 'murdering' him as u say, they wlldnt have waited 2 yrs to do it..
The Chinese are a patient lot. They kept their nasty work for later.
Essentially - they wanted to con the world with their 2008 Beijing Olympics into thinking that China is a decent 1st world super power
Had teh Chinese been sincere - they would have given Shaikh a pyschiatrist 2 years ago - and he'd probably be sitting in jail - or a secure hosiptal- for a very very llong time.
They early on decided to murder him - but not when it would spoil their 2008 Olympics.
@chinditone thats my very point...would that have been any better..
if it was the case that he was totally unaware of what he was carrying, then what is he guilty of...its futile locking him up at all if he was duped due to his mental state..what wld be the point of punishing him for something he didnt know he was doing.. shld bi-polars be locked up for their own safety and safety of others so they cant be duped..or should they be given leniency everytiem they do something wrong ..
farqcue - I agree with tough stance on drugs - but not denying human rights.
If Shaik was mentally ill - then the argument would have been about his consciousness and culpability as to the drugs in his bag.
Because his consciousness is unproveable - mental ill impaired - then it would have been better to jail him for a long time. He could have been released later or not if alive!!
One of Stalin's gangsters feigned madness for 5 years in jail - and suddenly become sane when out!!!
Ands as ive said in other posts, if this guy really was as innocent and a victim as his family says, and they were aware of his unfit vulnerable state..then the only ppl with blood on their hands are his family..they all come out from the woodowrk now, why werent they there protecting him , preventing him from being duped if they cared so much .
i dont agree with the death penalty and really like stephen fry, but his argument is flawed, if you take it to the logical conclusion it would mean that someone that is bipolar can't commit a crime because they cant be held responsible for their actions, and one step further is that someone that is bipolar cant be held responsible for anything they did, good or bad, they are simply a manifestation of bipolarism
thestalkinghead 2 months ago
@thestalkinghead You've got it wrong. All they want is for him to receive treatment and get control over his life - rather than his being taken away.
soundslave 1 month ago
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
Fry is unknown in China.
If a Chinese celebrity who's unheard of in the UK posts a video to protest a case in the UK, in Chinese, w/ Chinese title, description, & tags, w/ no English subtitles, how many ppl in the UK will even see the video?
Only ingrained arrogant empirialistic mindset of the British who still think they own the world, every part of the world is an extension of themselves, & forgets they FAILED in colonizing China, would do something like this and expect to see an effect.
shwwnn 3 months ago
@shwwnn He wants to raise awareness of the case and says he hopes they will see the right thing to do. He would know from the offset that they wouldn't see or base their decision on the video. You are ignorant and have fallen for the stereotypes that the media feeds you.
I will assume your American when I say that I could say a lot about your countries history and make a statement about the behaviour of all Americans in regards to that, but it quite simply wouldn't be try.
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
@SubRosaSpear what stereotypes? You are telling me Britain is not an imperialistic country? That's a fact, not a stereotype. If u think Britain's imperialistic nature is just false image produced by American propaganda, then u r very ignorant of ur own country. And if you bother to check, Fry had absolutely NO effect on China's sentencing of this man. So, I was right.
I agree w/ u about the US being imperialistic and hegemonic.
shwwnn 2 months ago
@shwwnn Britain is not Imperialistic, they currently consist of Wales, Scotland, England, and Northern Ireland. All of whom decide that it is for their benefit they remain part of Britain.
They are not subordinate, they are not controlling, and at no point do any country openly express their will to leave.
America is also not Imperialistic, it is one country, how could it be Imperialistic?
In history Britain could be viewed that way, however it is not now, and to stereotype the people of...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
@SubRosaSpear In history, Britain exploited India w/o having to make India officially part of Britain, but it was still imperialistic and nobody doubts that. The simple fact that US or Britain is exploiting areas around the world using military violence w/o making that country officially part of them does not exonerate them from imperialism.
Your attempt to exonerate US or Britain from its imperialistic crimes by the simple argument that "it is one country" is shameless and an outright lie.
shwwnn 2 months ago
@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
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@shwwnn ...Britain because of the history of the Empire is like saying all Americans are fat slave- drivers. It simply isn't true.
And he clearly isn't trying to get this message directly to China, if he wanted to he could fly to China and have a translator with him to talk to people of power, he has that influence, he has spoken to people of power before simply because he has that ability.
He is a man who isn't going to concern himself directly into another countries politics...
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
@shwwnn ...because he respects the fact that they have their own laws.
Also he asks that people support the case, and that people research it, so he is clearly trying to spread awareness about it.
It's called news, telling people about things that go on in the world. If you are honestly trying to tell me that you think when someone says ''Stop cancer'', they are literally campaigning directly to cancer itself, then you need to rethink your life.
SubRosaSpear 2 months ago
@SubRosaSpear So you are saying in this video he's simply spreading news and NOTHING more? You don't hear him obviously asking China for something? You don't hear him saying at 1:57: "I wouldn't be standing here pleading clemency for someone if I didn't think there is a real case for mercy here. A real case where China can demonstrate that it does understand.."
Cancer is not a person u can appeal to, Chinese are, and he is appealing to them, to do things the way he sees fit.
shwwnn 2 months ago
@SubRosaSpear the way u try to spin this to portray him as simply spreading "news" and making an analogy to cancer shows what a shameless liar u r. the people saying "stop cancer" r not appealing to cancer itself. But in this case, Fry is appealing to Chinese, and making a judgement about how to deal w/ the case himself, and asking the Chinese to do it the way he sees fit.
shwwnn 2 months ago
Bipolar I is not the mild one
MrCartoonguy 1 year ago
ok I'm bipolar and I dont do that.
saxplayerale 1 year ago
@saxplayerale That's probably because you have Bipolar I (mild - milish mood swings).
jazcash 1 year ago
@jazcash Yeah I think so. But I feel bad for that guy, I hope people learn more about bipolar
saxplayerale 1 year ago
Execution, however is something I strongly disagree with. Unfortunately, I heard that poor Akmal was executed.
MrCartoonguy 1 year ago
Come to think of it...People with bipolar are not all innocent victims of mood. People are diverse.
Some people with bipolar blame things on their illness that was not strictly the case. Diversity plays a big part. Also, what did Akmal have? Purely a bipolar illness? Was it purely that? I have learned to try to control myself and I still have to be mindful. It has taken years. This is a controversial debate and not something to be addressed lightly. Bipolar effects people differently.
MrCartoonguy 1 year ago
Stephen, I appreciate what you are attempting to convey but it is not being listened to by some low brows here due to the hatred for drugs and drug dealers. For some reason, the mental health issue is also making some people resentful. Indeed, enlightening some people is hard work. Good luck.
MrCartoonguy 1 year ago
i bet if he was a paedophile about to get executed, the UK government would STILL plea that he doesnt get shot.
Nightwisher87 1 year ago
You are one of the sad people who mistakenly believe that we can reason and negotiate with the Chinese. As soon as you realize that this is pointless, the sooner we can deal with them.
angurisloud 1 year ago
Who cares if he was mentally ill?
He had drugs.
In China, Drugs = Death if you're catched.
So stop whining.
Also, Stephen, I'm really dissapointed of seeing you here.
I mean, you have awesome movies.
Markelinov 1 year ago
Hello Stephen...
Ive got bad news for you.. the world is sick of self pitying loons, professional
victims, whiners etc. You see Steve.. its the victims of the loons that are
whats important. I see you dont mention what heroin does to families, wives,
friends, employers of drug addicts..do you? Anyway Steve..a bullet for this
piece of garbage..and one for you too, just for the lies.
ehunter2 1 year ago
@ehunter2 People mention victims all of the time, even when few exist. If you have bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, you have MUCH greater chances of being victimized than chances that you will have violent or antisocial tendencies. Still, put a schizophrenic in a crowded room and people will worry for the bystanders, not for the mentally ill person.
It's impossible to know how guilty Akmal was, but I find it shocking that he was denied mental health testing before sentencing.
tegrenath 1 year ago
@ehunter2
YOU are an IDIOT, people with mental illness or disorders of ANY kind are more vulnerable to being victimized. Ask yourself this, who got picked on at school? The odd kid.
TheJimi2smokes 11 months ago
Stop buying chinese goods!
montg2perfection 1 year ago
"there are some cases where people just aren't responsible for their actions"
ok idiot
myjumbalaya 1 year ago
People who defend drug dealers are even worse than the drug dealers themselves.
PRCForever 1 year ago
@PRCForever this akmal was no drug dealer, he was retarded. he was taken advantage of and made as a drugs mule.
montg2perfection 1 year ago
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haha i only hope there's footage of his execution =D
splitbanana13 2 years ago
@splitbanana13 Celebrating the execution of a mentally ill prisoner is in itself a kind of a mental illness. I hope you get well soon.
Tapecutter59 1 year ago
@Tapecutter59 oh please. bipolar disorder is no excuse for trying to smuggle heroin.
splitbanana13 1 year ago
@splitbanana13 Don't be obtuse, I said nothing about excusing him. I said YOU are a sick fuck for celebrating his execution.
Tapecutter59 1 year ago
@Tapecutter5 i accept that.
splitbanana13 1 year ago
@splitbanana13 Moron.
You obvious dont know shit about it.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50 oh fuck off. yeah sure, drug dealers tricking a bipolar foreigner into smuggling a shit load of heroin that they're supposed to smuggle themselves is such a believable story.
fuck this bipolar wanna-be pop star fag.
splitbanana13 1 year ago
@splitbanana13 : go fuck yourself: drugdealers trick anyone they can get to smuggle their shit, even kids under age.
Try finding out who's in Venezuela's jails, you'd be suprised how many kids there are.
So GROW A BRAIN, nitwit !!
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50 fucking idiot. those kids are kidnapped and then trained for what they'll be forced to do. they don't just walk up to them and trick them into accepting 4 kilos of heroin.
perhaps it was akmal who should have grown a brain. oh well, too late now! they executed him already!
=D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D
splitbanana13 1 year ago
@splitbanana13 : I guess you know by experience ?
Well........I DO.
They DO walk up to them and trick them.
The one I am talking about was 18 and spend two years there.
Ever seen someone football with a head of a dead man ? he did.
so who is the fucking idiot here ? you dont know shit.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50
Well maybe they should not trust people then? Esp in a country like china... chinese are very crafty people.
Ive been there its a fucking shit hole, to be honest. So what the fuck was he doing there with a shit load of drugs knowing very well that he will get executed?
However if he knows someone in the CCP then everything is ok no problem, but he knows no one there. 50 grams of any drugs in CN is execution.
yoyuepz 1 year ago
@splitbanana13 Go boil your head you homophobic moron.
AnnaJuk 1 year ago
Thanks Stephen no luck here on this one.
moonshoes1000 2 years ago 11
@moonshoes1000 lol you think china is going to listen to the west? They are difficult people to move, you show them money and they will move.
yoyuepz 3 months ago
sad...
Like Stephens shirt <3
HughHouselover 2 years ago
The Chinese fall into two camps here:
1. the killers who enjoy murdering mentally ill people - via a backward legal system - because it makes them feel superior. Check out the Reprive website as it bust China here.
2. Those who regret killing a mentally ill man - and want to improve both their human rights and dodgy legal system.
A few weeks ago and instructive was sent via teh Supreme Court to lower courts asking them not to impose illegal death sentences.
chinditone 2 years ago
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Glad that we have executed Akmal Shaikh. Reprieve was wrong trying to protect him, UK was wrong as well. Akmal Shaikh was an evil scumbag who deserves the death penalty. I am glad that he is dead for what he did. Can't stop smiling for that. Very happy.
st176 2 years ago
Obvious troll is obvious
Kverul 2 years ago
Of course, we all knew that Akmal Shaikh is a troll, and it is obvious that we did the right thing of get rid of him.
st176 2 years ago
"we" ?
Kverul 2 years ago
I don't know about you, but I am Chinese, so we means all Chinese people.
st176 2 years ago
No mate, you are a troll.
Slapbass13 2 years ago
@Slapbass13 No, Akmal Shaikh is he troll, and we are the one who believe in Justice. Akaml Shaikh deserves to die for trying to take 4kg of heroin into China, and therefore he is a troll.
st176 2 years ago
Troll.
Slapbass13 2 years ago
The point of the OT Jeremiah7:3 quote is that it FOCUSSES ON ACTIVE JUSTICE - and captures the heart of teh matter with Shaikh - it specifically says:
"Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place."
Confucius himself belived that teh Ruller needed to be just and virtuous which indicates that the Chinese culture itself understands this.
Akmal Shaik was a mentally ill alien whose innocent bloodwas shed on Chinese soil.
chinditone 2 years ago
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8DX - the injustice of Israel and teh Jews was disobedience to God's Commands.
Led to Babylonian exile - and final annihilation of Jerusalem by Romans in 70 AD.
As Israel failed to save world - God sent his own son - Jesus Christ - to die for teh sins of people and to turn away God's wrath - and to give people a true morality through The Holy Spirit - after they accepted Christ and were reborn.
Non Christians have a natural conscience - which tells them what is right and wrong.
chinditone 2 years ago
8DX - OT is complex and has complex morality.
Basic view - is that everyone in life should know God from what exists in life - people and universe. People refused to worship true God and worship created things - idols - or own ideas or systems - and so sinned - and because objects of wrath.
God chose Israel/Abraham to reveal himself - and to reveal God to teh world - and it indeed involved a lot of killing of idolatorus original inhabitants.
Israel failed God's remit through injustice.
chinditone 2 years ago
See The Reprieve website for the truth.
1.Akmal Shaikh was refused a psychiatrist on 26 occasions by the Chinese befire being killed.
2. A Pyschiatrist has confimed that Akmal Shaikh was mentally deluded.
3. 6 Polish Winesses- including a Roman Catholic Priest and Sister - have given statements that Shaikh was mentally ill.
Another great site:
Google: theonlinecitizen should China execute a drug smuggler
chinditone 2 years ago
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British drug traffickers Akmal Shaihk brought 4kg of heroin into China, according to Chinese law, that is good enough to execute him dozens of times. With clear facts and evidence, sentenced to the death penalty is perfectly correct. UK gov was wrong to intervene or to ask our gov to intervene the decision of the court. UK media was wrong to believe words from Reprieve as they are words with no proof. I repeat, the execution of Akmal Shaikh was justice, legal & nothng wrong with that, accept it!
st176 2 years ago
People & Power - The Lhasa Express - 08 Jun 08 - Part 1
watch?v=4gBm4IHhKTs
pseudonym1964 2 years ago
China cancels UK human rights summit after Akmal Shaikh execution
Yup - the Chinese think that they have the right and authority to execute mentally ill foreigners in front of the watching world.
Read this from Jeremiah:
This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
chinditone 2 years ago
@chinditone China hasnt cancelled, but merely postponed the summit, lets not pre-empt the reason why..
The purpose of your quote from Jeremiah is?...
Biblical quotes have little meaning other than to those who hold belief in the book itself...and I personally dont live my life according to a book that references 'dashing babies against rocks' (Psalm 137:4)...but i respect your right to do so, but wldnt suggest it aides ur criticism of what u deem to be a cruel country ie China
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - China - has been caught abusing human rights - executed a mentally ill man - and has behaved with petulance - and cancelled the Summit.
These are the actions of a nasty bully who believes the world revolves around them. I grew up in South Africa under a similarly nasty Bully regime - and like all dark regimes - they hate being brought out into the light of the truth.
The Jeremiah quote is in a section on justice - be just or be punished. Don't spill the blood of an alien.
chinditone9321 2 years ago
Fartey - Biblical principles and truths permeate all Western Law systems - especially human rights.
Man is made in the image of God - and his life cannot be taken away on a whim. One of the 10commandments is do not murder.
Every culture on the planet understands - do unto others as you would have them do to you or "love your neighbour as yourself".
Valuing human life protects humanity and allows everyone to have as decent a life as possible - even if they are atheists!!
chinditone9321 2 years ago
ur quoting a book that you as a Christian believe is inspired by God, whether it be old or new testament..you talk of justice, morality and murder of innocents..the book you are quoting is filled with references about murder of innocent men women children by Gods commandment...u honestly believe a book inspired by God wld reference such atrocities? 10 commandment do nt murder,then after that was given..bible is full of murder murder murder..dnt quote bible when talking about morality and justice
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - non belivers - or some who find a part of Bible difficult - will then use that part to say - God does not exists - or God is unfair etc etc.
Parts are difficult - ie the choice of Israel at expense of everyone else - putting the original inhabitants of the land to the sword!
If one accepts God exists - and that we are created - then one accepts He can do things His way.
Romans 2:15f talks of consciences guiding people into doing good - and this applies fairly to everyone.
chinditone 2 years ago
Fartey - I am a strong believer in teh element of evil - or Satan - and that people and societies are thus capable of incredible evil.
There is certainly a lot of killing in the OT - but times were primitive - and that was the way of teh world. Look at China's first emperor - look at the Mayan cultures - Attila the Hun - Ghenghis Khan. History has shown a lot of senseless killing.
We have certainly witnessed a lot of it over the last 100 years - in all countries.
chinditone 2 years ago
I think his point was that there is a lot of killing in the OT .. directly or indirectly COMMANDED BY GOD.
The God of the OT commands genocide in many instances.
So the question is not whether these primitive tribes knew what was good or not, but whether the OT can be trusted, whether the God of the OT has any bearing on reality (if genocidal, then not God?)
So ditch the OT as a valid source on morality.
8DX 2 years ago
Fartey - I guess you have not lived through Aushwitz, Pol Pot's Regime, , Joseph Stalin, The Rape of Nanjing, or seen any mind blowing atrocities.
Human Beings have dark as well as light emotions. The Bible captures all sorts of emotions. I suspect that the emotions of the Psalm 137 writer is that of a witness to Babylonian atrocities - and had seen a baby being dashed on the rocks. His emotions - in an eye for an eye culture - wanted to see his enemies getting his own medicine.
chinditone9321 2 years ago
Fartey - Psalm 137 are raw emotions - as the writer was still in captivity.
What to do with a cruel country is a big question? We are not living in an eye for an eye culture of the Old Testament but the grace culture of teh New Testament - where repentance brings life and a new creation - obviously in Christ.
China needs to be confronted with the tuth - and given time to repent and change its ways. Human beings are not going to go away - and so China needs to learn how to get it right.
chinditone9321 2 years ago
Akmal Shaikh's mental condition could have been established in court via a psychiatrist - which could have ended teh matter.
It may not have told us what Shaikh's mental state actually was - but it could have taken into account all the circumstancial evidence.
This would have probably led to a prison sentance - and China would still have had some credibility as regards Human Rights.
It would have established a methodology to allow China to stop drug smuggler's feigning madness.
chinditone 2 years ago
chinditione cld we pls keep to the subject at hand, as u are manipulating my comments so that other members will think i dislike and condone discrimination against the mentally ill...tread carefully, as u know full well that my argument has been that there is a consensus of opinion that the chap was not mentally ill..my lack of distain for the Chinese govnt is rooted in my belief that AS was not evidentially 'mentally ill' and not that i wish to see the mentally ill euthanised..
farqcue 2 years ago
fartey - unfortunately - the evidence - is very very strong in the direction that Akmal Shaikh was mentally ill.
It is criminal that the Chinese court - or the Chinese Prime minister - did not bring in a psychiatrist to establish Shaikh's mental condition - when his life was at stake.
I personally realize that Herion smuggling is a big deal - and even though I do not support the death penalty - I can understand it being used on people who destroy lives.
chinditone 2 years ago
PLAUSIBLE ARGUEMENT: China may have made a mistake, AS may have had a disorder, however there was no balance historical evidence that he had, was diagnosed, or being treated for mental illness,so thats why it was decided not to have an assessment. INPLAUISBLE ARGUEMENT: i buy all the biased info about this case and will side with the assumption that he was def innocent, def mentally ill, was duped,and the Chinese are evil murderers who kept this guy for 2 yrs and then cold bloodily murdered him.
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - evidence.
1. British Psychiatrist says Shaikh is most probably delusional.
2. 6 high Standing Polish Witnesses - including Catholic Priest and Sister - say Shaikh was mentally ill.
3. Gordon Brown requested Wen Jiaboa that Shaikh be assessed.
4. Chinese court agrees to an assessement by Chinese doctor and then back tracks.
The above very strongly suggest that teh Chinese Court wanted a mentally ill man killed. Perhaps the Polish Drug Smugglers had bribed the judge!
chinditone 2 years ago
But Chinditone ur arguement doesnt need a professional psychiatrist to be brought into the court...u have already decided he was mentally ill based on the biased and loaded report from Reprieve thats based on hearsay
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - there is pretty much caste iron evidence that Akmal Shaikh was mentally ill - which makes teh Chinese culpable for refusing it.
On top of a professional psychiatrist saying that Akmal Shaikh was delusional - there are also 6 Witness Statements stating that he was mentally ill - from people who knew him from Poland.
Go and read The Reprieve Witness statements
chinditone 2 years ago
Reprieves perceived injustice was the fact that a detah sentence had been handed out for drug trafficking.
farqcue 2 years ago
Reprieves perceived injustice was that a mentally ill man had been killed by a kangaroo court.
The British Psychiatrist said he was most likely delusional.
Repreive did not say this just for the sake of saving Shailh - Reprive also hs Polish Witnesses and Statements which back up teh fact that Akmal was mentally ill.
This is what a Polish Roman Catholic Priest says:
"Akmals mental state seemed to deteriorate over the time I knew him."
chinditone 2 years ago
expander321, good point, however what ppl dnt realise with Reprieve is they wld have fought for a reprieve even without all the bi-polar, mental illness cla trap (i say clap trap becos its a smokescreen in this case)..Reprieve wld try to help anyone facing a deathj sentence whether tehy are guilty ro not as tehy dnt agree with death sentence and have an issue with China and Human Rights there in general...
farqcue 2 years ago
hahhaha...the professional psychiatrists opinion was biased, and based on hearsay of what ppl had said about the guy, not on any form of assessment...luckily, majority of opinion on this matter sides with teh facts and exactly what i have said...lets recap...he was not mentally ill, no producible evidence except a biased report based on hearsay accounts, by a specialist of a group whos purpose was to get the guy reprieved, and a drug trafficking fan base screaming 'but what if...'..
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - you have given teh game away - here.
Why do you hate?
You obviously do not want to listen to reason or a professional psychiatrist - which suggests an evil or biased attitude.
You obviously enjoy watching mis carriages of justice and enjoy seeing mentally ill pople killed.
What gives?
chinditone 2 years ago
If you're a professional and you know the knowledge you have can save the life of another human being (who you could PROVE didn't deserve to die!), I'd like to think you'd be a bit biassed too!
You admit one side of the facts: he had drugs in his posession. But you deny another side of the story - he was clearly mentaly ill and needed to be treated as such; his was an exceptional case.
Nutshell :-) I'm off to work now, gotta make money to live, but will chat later. Cheers!
expander321 2 years ago
@expander321 i dnt just admit one side of the story,i merely refute the other side.I refute that there is enough evidence to claim he was mentally ill,evidence provided was refuted by the China on the basis that none was provided by AS, and there was no documntd evidence of him suffering from any mental affliction,being diagnosed with one,or being treated for one,this was only portrayed after the fact,based on hearsay of friends n family,and on loaded specialist evaluation based on that hearsay.
farqcue 2 years ago
I respect that you draw a clear distinction between discrimination against mentally ill people, and the requirement for evidence to convict AS. However, in this instance I believe chinditone's comments about evidence are closest to the truth.
Also, have you heard AS's song?? Not to disrespect his memory, but on the basis of that, I think the average person in the street would be able to tell the guy wasn't all there - there was something wrong somewhere long before he went to China! :-)
expander321 2 years ago
..admittedly his song doesnt fill me with absolute confidence about his mental health...most of the songs in the current top 40 also give me sleepless nights regarding the artists sanity :D
Again, interesting point...i wonder tho if he was still alive, whether ppl wld suggest his lyrical and rhythmic ability as the '5th Beatle' showed signs of a mental illness..
Ironically Im sure his family at the time wld have been outraged at such suggestion,but purport such a defence now.
farqcue 2 years ago
Your posts dont warrant much of a response anymore...they are contradictory and laughable..of course Reprieves own professional psychiatrist said that ....hmmmm, what was Reprieve trying to do all this time...hmmm....of course, get AS acquitted!...their psychiatrist isnt gna come out and say anything but that is he!
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - your refusal to listen to a professional psychiatrists - is 100% proof that you are being deliberate unreasonable.
If I were being nice - I would say that you are being silly - because you hate losing an argument - even when you are patently wrong.
The other alternative to the above - if you are not arguing for arguments sake - is that you - like teh Chinese - enjoy murdering helpless mentally ill people.
chinditone 2 years ago
@farqcue
I agree that Reprieve wanted AS aquitted (obviously!!) , but WHY did they want him aquitted? The reason: because they saw what they perceived to be an injustice that was about to take place. So what's wrong about that?
expander321 2 years ago
Fartey - a professional psychiatrist - should have been brought into teh court. The Chinese could have supplied their own.
By refusing to allow a psychiatrist - after initially allowing it - teh Chinese have been seen to deliberately kill a mentally ill man - which is despicable.
chinditone 2 years ago
A mentally ill person served me in the Supermarket today.
I was very glad she was alive -had a job - and lived in a decent country where she was looked after.
The Chinese - and all those - who take advantage of mentally ill people - to carry drugs - or for their nasty political message - are sickos!!!
chinditone 2 years ago
FFS u have no proof he was mentally ill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stephen Fry has bi-polar, is he metally ill? My attack is not on the mentally ill, ur the retard here...if u understood a word ive said is that tehre was no evidence of diagnosed mental illness thats why he deserved it..claiming he was mentally ill is an insult to the mentally ill therefore ur actions are despicable
You have absoultely no grounds for ur stance because it is based on assumptions..
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - are you a psychiatrist? If not - why do you like killing mentally ill people?
Reprieve's professional psychiatrist says "it is most like that Shaikh suffered from delusional behaviour"
The fact that the Chinese court deliberately refused a psychiatrist - means that they are 100% murderers.
chinditone 2 years ago
Akmal Shaik - was amentally ill.
Read what Reprieve says:
Bi-polar disorder is an acute and debilitating disease and is described by the expert Dr Kay Jamison of John Hopkins University School of Medicine as destroying the basis of rational thought. Occasionally, severe episodes of mania or depression include symptoms of psychosis or psychotic symptoms. It is highly likely that these professional drug smugglers knew that he was suffering from a mental illness
chinditone 2 years ago
and dnt come back saying 'neither can u prove it, cos i dnt have to..he was caught with the drugs, my decision is based on factual evidence...ur siding with circumstancial anomolies...what ifs...maybe's....im not prepared to brandish the terms 'innocent' and 'mentally' ill on a whim..
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - stop your despicable attack on mentally ill people - and seek the truth.
READ what Reprieve says:
The most important issue in the case is Akmals mental health. The Chinese authorities originally indicated a willingness to allow him to be assessed by a local doctor, but the court subsequently refused. Reprieve immediately sought permission for British psychologist Dr Schaapveld to see Akmal, and paid for him to fly to China - where he too was inexplicably refused access.
chinditone 2 years ago
The reason i say u have placed urself on teh wrong side of teh fence is because 1)u have no proof he was mentally ill, ur summizing that a psychiatric evaluation wld have confirmed that! 2)u have no proof that he was innocent and wasnt in on it, how do u know he wasnt aware of the drugs? becos he said he wasnt ? cmon, ur gna take the word of a drug trafficker? 3)how do u know that the plan wasnt 'if im caught, il say a,b,c and say i was duped...u cannot prove any of those things.
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - everyone who respects life - and protects mentally ill people from murderers - and killing regimes - is on my side of teh fence.
Only liars - bullies - those who hate justice - those who hate human rights - the unfair -psychotically ill - kangaroo court maniacs - those who hate teh mentally ill - the lazy -the unreasonable - gaga - people are on your side of the fence.
You do not keep good company!!
chinditone 2 years ago
And yes, his family cannot complain when they did nothing to stop his galavanting, but as soon as he got in trouble they were so concerned about his mental health issues, and ranted about the Chinese, and even said the UK govnmt and Reprieve didnt do enough... i read he was almost homeless and penniless in poland..again where were his family...hmmmmm homeless and penniless, sounds like the right recipe for making some money through drug trafficking..
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - do you like killing mentally ill people?
Is there something special in your mind - when a mentally ill person is dead?
Mentally ill people need to be proteced by society!!
chinditone 2 years ago
Arobekie has a major point.
We are majorly lucky in that we live in countries with justice - and we take it for granted.
In teh Congo - murderers and rapists - are set free to rape and kill again.
Our gripe about China - is that their legal system is corrupt and brutal - so that the mentally ill are victims.
We can only gripe -because we are lucky enough to have genuine justice systems.
The shock here is really that everyone thought China was up to speed on human rights.
chinditone 2 years ago
@chinditone Amnesty Int own website...quote 'Reprieve, had proposed to carry out mental health examinations on Shaikh but they have not offered evidence that he may be suffering from a mental disorder' (23/12/09)...if there was no producable evidence to suggest he had mental health issues, why wld the Chinese entertain a psychiatric assessment..tell me, if u were he, and u were caught as he was, what plan wld u devise to get out of jail free?
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - please READ what Reprieve says:
A British small business owner from North London, Akmal was married with five children.
Akmal had a lifelong history of very strange behaviour, and Reprieve uncovered vital evidence that he suffered from an extremely serious mental condition.
A preliminary medical report by clinical psychologist Dr Peter Schaapveld suggests that the odd decisions leading up to Akmals offence were most likely influenced by some form of delusional psychosis.
chinditone 2 years ago
why should the guy deserve a psychiatric evaluation...he didnt do anything that particularly pertains to menatlly ill ppl...he didnt murder or rape anyone, he didnt attempt to murder or rape anyone...he smuggled drugs...should everyone caught with drugs be given the privledge of psychiatric evaluations no matter how big or small the catch?...and at whos expense...oh pls, thats farsical .
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - I am afraid its all down to your view of a human life and what its worth.
If human life is precious - then execution and death needs to be taken seriously - so that innocent people - collateral damage - are not killed.
China 100% refused to value life in this instance - and refused to allow a psychiatrist to come in from Britain - or even to alllow a Chinese psychiatrist - to evalute Akmal Shaikh for teh court.
This tells everyone that China has a zero value on human life.
chinditone 2 years ago
Fartey - human life is precious - and society needs to protect life.
If you don't agree - and ask yourself - would like your life terminated.
Your family and realtives and friends would not like this to happen.
If you had none of teh above - then society itself - if it values life - should protect you.
China - if it is going to execute people - must ensure 100% guilt. This means ensuring 100% mental awareness of what went on. If not China will end up executing children as well.
chinditone 2 years ago
ur not just arguing a case about his lack of psychiatric evaluation, if u were u wld not have had such a strong stance, u wld stay neutral...i on the other hand, as with others, can have the priveldge of assuming his guilt as he was caught red handed...and i can healthily assume as the Chinese authorities did , that anyone caught red handed wld plead ignorance and mentally ill...i stand by my decision not to give the benfit of the doubt to the herion smuggler..u wld however rather side with him.
farqcue 2 years ago
chinditone..no, his family dont have anything to apologose to china about, they didnt commit andy crimeas against china...they just have to stop bitching about teh situation and mourn in peace without blamining other people.....as i have stated b4, urs and too many others are referring to the murder of an innocent man when U DO NOT KNOW he was innocent...ur assuming that China is bad, and he was menatlly ill...
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - every family has the right to complain - when a mentally ill member - is brutally and nastily killed .
China denied Shaikh a psychiatrist - the Premier of China himself - Wen Jiaboa refused.
China started bleating on about the OPIUM WAR - in effect saying that because of it - they have the right to kill mentally ill people.
China also went on about the cost of looking after Shaikh and providing justice - boasting that they can kill Chinese people - without any hassle..
chinditone 2 years ago
How can britain harp on about human rights when our prisons are full of people who should have been executed and then they are released only to kill rape and rob decent people,It seems that only the scum have human rights,If our laws and prisons were like those in china,Britain would be a safer place to live.WELL DONE CHINA.
arobekie 2 years ago
Every country needs a just and fair and effective Justice system. It must work - and be seen to work.
Punish the genuinely guilty with appropriate punishment. Killers locked up or executed etc.
The issue here is that the Genuine scum have got away - the Polish Gangsters who put the Herion in a mentally ill man's baggage - have got away. Akmal - who is mentally disabled - is killed!!
When murderers are allowed out to continue killing - it makes this conversation ridiculous.
chinditone 2 years ago
exactly...all well and good friends and family all come out of the woodwork after the fact dont they ..'akmal was so unwell, he wasnt aware what he was doing'....why didnt they do it before he muscled in on his smack deal...why were they letting him jet set around the world like a modern day tony montana...why didnt they lock him in a room watching old episodes of Grange Hill with Zamo's and the 'just say no' song..
farqcue 2 years ago
Fartey - family is poor - Akmal moved to Poland to continue his life. Ebdd up on the streets there.
The family certainly should have apologised to China.
Chinese legal sysem is so corrupt - he did not get a proper trial and he had no psychiatric assesment - and China refused their request for a British Psychiatrist to visit. China is no friend of teh family.
It would be a bit like thanking the Nazi's for killing your brother but having the decency not to kill you.
chinditone 2 years ago
What really bugs me is how some people think the East is really spiritual compared to the West, which is of course really greed and materialist!
In reality China is no more spiritual than us...or if it is, who cares how spiritual when their government behaves like animals? Doesn't seem to make them any more humane at any rate!
expander321 2 years ago
People who think the East is more Spiritual are GAGA.
Google: Michael Parenti Dalai Lama
Read Michael Parenti on the Dalai Llama.
The only people who think that Dalai Llama is any good are actors and politicans.
Think feudalism - spending your life in enforced slavery - to understand Tibet - Dalai Llama.
Jesus said "you tell a tree by its fruit".
No one on this board - in their right mind - would touch Bhuddism or the Dalai Llama if they wanted Justice and human Rights.
chinditone 2 years ago
Agreed, Eastern spirituality is just a myth. Chinese govt. behaved abysmally, and as you correctly quote "you will know a tree by it's fruit".
expander321 2 years ago
dont think he'd want any witnesses to his recent behaviour in court... theyd bear witness that he was pretty damn good at a) bartering a 60/40 payment upon delivery of merchandise, and b)stepping up to the krypton factor challenge of fitting 4x1kg packs of heroin into his samsonite :D
farqcue 2 years ago
Ha ha ha - his real friends - Fartey - not his Polish drug smuggling criminals who set him up.
People who knew Akmal Shaikh have given witness statements on the Reprive website.
chinditone 2 years ago
Fartey - you need to Google Bi-polar disorder - as its a complex condition - and you are way off track on this..
As to most of your comments - they are just childish.
If your own neck was on the line - or if your neck was in teh noose - and it depended upon your mental state of consiousness - you would want a psychiatrist to assess you. If you were too far gone to want it - at least your family, relatives, and decent citizens would.
chinditone 2 years ago
Perhaps Akmal had got too caught up in quality control for ACME's East European division and his grand schemes stemmed from sampling too much of his own product...
(Note to myself ...if a stranger named Carlos packs a bag for me and sends me on my way with a prepaid 1way ticket , final destination Asia, be mildly cautious..)
farqcue 2 years ago
farqcue - these sorts of situations make being sane a beautiful thing.
We all have beautiful minds - if we choose not to pollute it with drugs and prejudices.
One can happily make notes to onself - and avoid all sorts of danger.
Akmal was probably singing his little rabbit song and was gaga about what was occurring.
Ironically - it would have been a very interesting case had the Chinese brought in a psychiatrist - and both sides argued about Akmal's sanity.
chinditone 2 years ago
"did you pack your bags yourself"
Akmal Shaikh "yes"
"are you carrying bags for anyone else today sir"
Akmal Shaikh "no"
"are you carrying anything in bags that is illegal"
Akmal Shaikh "no"
Case Closed.
Bi-polar defence destroyed and people like bend nose fry should take their macbook out their arse and question things like this before running to the blind defence of this so called mental uk person.
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
Loadsanonsence - why don't you put your money where your mouth is. Visit your nearest mental hospital - and carry out the Akmal Shaikh experiment..
Tell the mentally ill inmates that they are going on a luvly journey - and that you are going to pack their bags for them.
Pack their bags and slip a few sherbet packets into their cases.
Ask them your daft questions and see how many would have been executed like Akmal Shaikh was.
Once done - then you will know what Justice means.
chinditone 2 years ago
LMAO so pray do tell why mr akmal did not inform them of the lovely star makers packed their bags for him eh?
the only thing mental here is your defence for this stiff.
Keep on harping on but nothing changes the fact akmal is dead and got what he deserved for being a scumbag heroin carrier.
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
Loadsanonsence - the real mental thing is that China suckered the world into thinking it was a decent law abiding place that practiced human rights.
China's barbaric execution of a mentally ill Mr Akmal Shaikh has ended that delusion. We all now know that China does not have justice or human rights.
The scumbabs are still at large as the Chinese have not managed to capture any of the Polish drug gang that tricked Akmal Shaikh. China seeems more interested in murdering Shaikh?
chinditone 2 years ago
keep on harping on nobody TRICKED him. he KNEW, just like he KNEW when they asked him if anyone packed his bags at the airport.
He ran a business in the uk musta had an ounce of sense in his head but the moment he gets caught of course hes a nut job that don't deserve it.
Cry on all you want about it, the fact remains he broke the law he got the sentence and it was carried out. let it be a lesson to other idiots who try to smuggle dope.
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
Loadsanonsence - how can mentally ill people know - the point is that they can't?
Nations that do not care for truth like China - or liars - would state that Shaikh knew what he was doing.
All reasonable people would call a professional psychiatrist + witnesses of Shaikh's recent behaviour - into the court - to establish exactly how Complus Mentus Shaikh was.
If you are interested in truth - go and visit the REPRIEVE website and see what Shaikh's recent friends have to say.
chinditone 2 years ago
oh give over you are just on a mission like the uk gov to bash china but guess what its china they dont give a toss nor should they. its their country and their law - he broke it.
learn the lesson peddle in dope in the far east and lose your life.
he had ample opportunity to say he was carrying someone elses bag but he didn't.
its always the same, get caught and try anything including insanity to get off. didnt work though did it.
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
furthermore I don't care what his so called mates have to say. if he was as nuts as you and these people "claim" why was he not in an institution or these so called mates ringing alarm bells on his little worldwide journey.
its just like mamma and pappa sending their kids to iraq and then crying foul when they cop a bullet. phhhffff
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
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DogshitLama 2 years ago
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Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
why do white middle class liberals hate the CCP?is it because theyre lifting a billion+people out of poverty and that means a billion less people to patronize?or is it because its the CHINESE CP-meaning that because you are white and middle class you dont automatically get to lead it?
acidsunrise 2 years ago
Acidsleepinghead - The Chinese can feed themselves but cannot do justice for their peoples.
Perhaps the CCP murdered Shaikh - because they could not afford a fair trail or a psychiatrist or could not afford to keep him in jail.
2000 people a year are murdered by the CCP each year - and do not get to enjoy the fruits of prosperity.
The Nazi's were also dynamic but killed 6 Million Jews plus a shedload of Gypsies.
What is the point of any country without justice?
chinditone 2 years ago
Acidsleepinggirl - here is China's dilemma.
You have a country that works - who cares for the poor in its society - where all - rich and poor - wise and foolish - are working together to build a great China. The achillese heel is that they lack human rights - and so may be working for nothing.
Taoism and Bhuddism and drugs do not provide human rights. The West's human rights come via teh Judaeo/Christian ethic - Man is made in teh Image of God - and we must love our neighbour as ourself.
chinditone 2 years ago
Acidsleepinggirl - how is China going to human rights?
China's love of the poor is an ideology that came via Judaism/Marxism - it fits their own Confusian ideal of a Virtuous leader.
Taoism and Bhuddism ideologies are too self centred to actively reach out and help others. Read the Parable of the Good Samaritan which blows these dead ideologies out the Water.
China needs to discover Love and Christianity - in its own way - at teh National Level - to bridge the Love/Justice gap.
chinditone 2 years ago
I read many good Brit citizens are thanking China for killing the drug dealing Islamic mother fvcker.
Brit Government spent too much time behind the Parliament sucking kocks, they can only provide millions of cameras in London to monitor the good citizens. CCP knows the root cause of terrorism, and fvck the terrorists at the root level.
Anti-Chinese mother fvckers should admit my CCP is the best in the world!
DogshitLama 2 years ago
Dawgshiteboy - The CCP are the best murderers in the world - they execute 2000 people a year.
The CCP executed a mentally ill man Akmal Shaikh.
The CCP has the worst human rights record of any UN security panel member.
The real Chinese like peace and value life. The CCP have a long way to go.
chinditone 2 years ago
DirtybitchDitone,
Mexican President Felipe Calderon executed over 30,000 drug dealers since he was democratically elected to power. Most of the executed victims may or may not be guilty.
If you are going to present fact, then present fact, otherwise, go back to the filthy wh0re who gave you birth.
DogshitLama 2 years ago
Dawgshiteboy - without facts or truth - you continue to speak nonsence or shite.
Akmal Shaikh was not a drug dealer and had no history of drug dealing.
Akmal Shaikh was a mentally ill man taken advantage of by Polish drug dealers - and denied justice by Wen Jiaboa and the CCP and China's unjust legal system - and executed by China..
You are more insulting than me. China sees itself as a better drug freer country than drug infested Mexico - who supply the USA with drugs!!
chinditone 2 years ago
maybe the chinese could straighten out mr frys nose before giving him a life stopping booster shot.
Shaik had 4kg of dope on him. if he was so mental why did he answer the question at check in about other peoples bags not truthfully. i'll tell you why because he KNEW the dope was there.
Screw him and screw the british government who are prepared to barter of dope dealers but give up computer hackers for 70 years in gitanimo i.e garry mckinnon. fooking joke!
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
White middle class liberals are easily as damaging to any society as heroin-maybe China could get rid of Stephen Fry too?
acidsunrise 2 years ago
Dunno bout that!!!
Why don't you take your lifestyle to China - and see how it does down!!!
The Chinese are no great lovers of those who are voluntarily gaga - also - they are no great lovers of the voluntarily idle -when they are building a great nation!!
Of course - pre-warn your loved ones - and take out life insurance - before you go to China.
Funny how there are no atheists in foxholes!! Justice is always loved by Facists when their own life is threatened.
chinditone 2 years ago
The Daily Telegraph reported today - the deputy chief of the Chinese Supreme Court - was arrested for accepting bribes from property developers.
You would think that Wen Jiaboa would personally protect the human rights of foreigners in his corrupt Chinese legal system. China's reputation is back to square one because of their refusal to allow a psychiatrist to evaluate Shiakh.
A country that does not respect human rights - with a corrupt legal system at its very top - cannot be respected.
chinditone 2 years ago
maybe he was promised plans of being the next tony montana, not the next gareth gates..
farqcue 2 years ago
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farqcue 2 years ago
lulz Akmal Shaikh should have been executed for poor music and not the heroin.
Dumb ass got what was coming to him.
Lronsjetpack 2 years ago
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farqcue 2 years ago
@Lronsjetpack lmfao :D
farqcue 2 years ago
Most people with mental illness are dumb ass's - did you not know that!!!
Unfortunately - evil regimes like teh Nazi's and the Chinese - like to kill mentally disabled people - or dumb asses.
The Nazi's just executed them. The Chinese refused to let Shaikh get analysed by a psychiatrist and therefore murdered him.
The law -even Irish law - should protect mentally ill people. Where they commit a crime - they should jail them in a suitable institution.
chinditone 2 years ago
@chinditone interesting point ...
i do believe the chinese didnt believe he was mentally ill thou, they executed him on the basis of the drugs he was carrying, and believed his condition to be a get out of jail free card..id be interested in hearing what punishment those calling for clemency wld have seen fit ...should he have just been released?..cos if his mental disposition was truly the reason, then in theory he had to walk free, cos surely any punishment wld have been unfair..
farqcue 2 years ago
Farqcue- the Chinese deliberately denied him his huma nrights be refusing 27 request for a British psychiatrist to assess him.
The Chinese refused to provide a Chinese psychiatrist.
This is proof that teh Chinese deliberately murdered him - and are still a barberous and evil nation.
Are the Chinese telling us that they can't afford to keep Shaikh alive in prison? This is the country that manages to keep ovber 1 billion people alive? The Chinese - or CCP - are just liars!!
chinditone 2 years ago
@chinditone i was genuinely stating that ud made a good point...i just disagree tho as im not a sympathiser for AS
i just havnt heard yet what level of clemency sympathisers expectd to see..royal pardon, downgraded sentence..genuinely curious, cos if he ws mentally ill then any punishment wld be futile..rest of his days locked up in an asylum? what punishment befits from such a crime?
I do think if Chinese were hell bent on 'murdering' him as u say, they wlldnt have waited 2 yrs to do it..
farqcue 2 years ago
The Chinese are a patient lot. They kept their nasty work for later.
Essentially - they wanted to con the world with their 2008 Beijing Olympics into thinking that China is a decent 1st world super power
Had teh Chinese been sincere - they would have given Shaikh a pyschiatrist 2 years ago - and he'd probably be sitting in jail - or a secure hosiptal- for a very very llong time.
They early on decided to murder him - but not when it would spoil their 2008 Olympics.
chinditone 2 years ago
@chinditone thats my very point...would that have been any better..
if it was the case that he was totally unaware of what he was carrying, then what is he guilty of...its futile locking him up at all if he was duped due to his mental state..what wld be the point of punishing him for something he didnt know he was doing.. shld bi-polars be locked up for their own safety and safety of others so they cant be duped..or should they be given leniency everytiem they do something wrong ..
farqcue 2 years ago
farqcue - I agree with tough stance on drugs - but not denying human rights.
If Shaik was mentally ill - then the argument would have been about his consciousness and culpability as to the drugs in his bag.
Because his consciousness is unproveable - mental ill impaired - then it would have been better to jail him for a long time. He could have been released later or not if alive!!
One of Stalin's gangsters feigned madness for 5 years in jail - and suddenly become sane when out!!!
chinditone 2 years ago
Ands as ive said in other posts, if this guy really was as innocent and a victim as his family says, and they were aware of his unfit vulnerable state..then the only ppl with blood on their hands are his family..they all come out from the woodowrk now, why werent they there protecting him , preventing him from being duped if they cared so much .
farqcue 2 years ago