@adrenacrumb you say ur a believer, but two yrs ago you posted that someone whould pray to the sun and see if it gives te same results as jesus, isnt that idolitry?
@hyoidbone54 "Yes we will be held accountable, and we need God mercy"
sablechicken 2 years ago
she replied this to your message asking her "Do you really think someone is recording all your thoughts and words?" on her abortion video. she didnt cerrectly respond to your post, so I thought I would do it for her.
There actually is archelogical proof. most of it is explained by logic though, i do for one beleive in the lord all mighty, because frankly thats something everybody belevies in, and if not that, thay beleive in reincarnation or some other such things, we all beleive in something even atheists beleive something will happen after they die, so lets stop arguing about religon because everyone sees it their own way and nobody will agree
Excuse me, but these kind of video's make abortion doctors sound as monsters, while women who go to an abortion clinic are supposedly "innocent victims".
I am a strong supported of a woman's choice, but choice has consequences. Part of the choice is the responsibility of your actions. Complications are a risk of any surgery. Or pregnancy, in fact.
so god is pretty much santa claus is what you are saying. you tell kids santa is watching and won't give you presents, and then go only joking there's no santa. then you say but there is a sky daddy watching and he will burn you in hell forever. you can go to hell for trying to excuse the man who killed tiller.
Well, first of all, Jesus came down to earth to die for everyone's sins. Second, God provides mankind with food and water via plants, animals and water sources. Third, He provides mankind with intelligence. Fourth, no matter how selfish, proud, murderous humans become, God still seems merciful enough to provide for them.
"we're alive so jesus christ must have risen from the dead"?
You don't read so well do you. I said The fact that your alive and that Christ has came down to earth to die for your sins is proof that God blesses everyone, "good" or "bad".
Jesus was a real person. Historians like Tacitus(a non-christian) and Josephus(a Jew who probably never even met him) acknowledged he existed. Jesus is known not only from
you realize that despite what you are told in church jesus doing do a single thing to help humanity right? he came down here and instead of telling us things like germs make people sick he told us demons did it. did nothing to help us and told us we will burn in hell if we don't believe in him. jesus was nothing more than a bully.
adrenacrumb, a bully? Jesus healed the sick, and gave sight to the blind. He was sent by God, and did miracles...how was he rewarded? He was whipped, beat and mocked then hung on a cross to die a criminal's death for ALL of our sins...while being TOTALLY sinless himself,.....AND YOU CALL HIM A BULLY!!!!
he only healed a few sick people....why would the son of god use his powers to only cure a few people and not give humanity the knowledge to stop it and in fact tell us a lie about what causes it?
anyone who tells me i'm going to burn in hell for not believing in them IS A BULLY. what if i asked you to mow my lawn and when you said no i told you that you were going to suffer in hellfire for eternity, does that make me an okay person?
he did tell us how to heal all sickness, he told us how to escape our pain. he told us how to get saved and live for eternity where theres no suffering and no sickness. also he said with faith as a grain of mustard seed you can move mountains.how much easier is it to heal a sick body?maybe you dont see miracles because youve never had the faith to see them.its such an easy thing and yet you havent done it.
that's absolutely the dumbest thing i have read in my life.
do you know what a fairytale is? it's a lot easier to tell yourself that god performs miracles than it is to actually see evidence of them happening, trust me.
guy it isn't real. there was no biblical moses. it wasn't even possible for there to have been a biblical moses with the archaeological evidence they have found. it's a JEWISH MYTH, it isn't real. you can stop going around telling people they are going to some fictional torture when they die just because you think it means you can lord power of people. thnx
jesus was not sinless. in the jewish law it was a sin to touch a leper, which jesus did. he sinned. it was a sin to be under the same roof as the dead and he did that as well. you have no idea who jesus was only what your preacher tells you.
i know you believe this jewish mythology is true because mommy and daddy told you it was when you were a kid. if they hadn't told you santa clause didn't exist you would probably believe that too. christ was not a good person, you are seeing it from the wrong side, the side you WANT to believe. but anyone who wishes you eternal hellfire is not a good person, nor a good god for that matter.
hav u evr thought that u only beleve wat u beleve b/c u were told that?that mabe u look at it from the wrong sid?is some1 who ofers eternal life without sufering instead of nothingnes after death bad?all he asks is that u folow a few simple instructions.mabe u beleve wat u beleve b/c ur runing from God.or mabe u think if u dont believe in God that he'll just go away.i hop u change ur mind b/c 1 day we'll find out which is correct,& ther r consequences if ur wrong,& i was just a nice guy if i am
uhm i grew up going to church. no one told me there was no god it just made itself abundantly clear after a while. god is a construct of man. it is no coincidence every civiization in history has had a mythological story to expain what they could not understand. you just got tricked into believing the mythology story for the jews is actually real.
do this for me, try praying to the sun all of the time and see if you don't get the exact same responses you would have gotten praying to jesus. i can promise that you will.
if jesus loved me he would take my place in hell. so what, he got beaten, tortured, killed, at least he doesn't have to spend an eternity in eternal agony. got off pretty damn easy if you ask me.
btw i hate to do this to you, but the bible is nothing but jewish mythology. you know how every other culture on planet earth has the exact same crazy stories in their religions? you know, the ones you look at and go, wow that is so crazy there's no way that could have happened?
well uh, the bible is just a myth for the jews. you can't really believe that is the only myth with insane things happening that is actually true do you? lol okay.
they weren't fulfilled, the old testament spefically says the messiah will bring peace to isael and establish a one world central govt. when did that happen?
lol real history books hahahahaha
real history books don't have people who rise from the dead.
that is why they had to remove jesus' dead body from the tomb, because he died before fulfilling everything. it doesn't say their messiah would die that is silly.
i appreciate you posting this video. If people could actually see what an abortionist does to a perfectly formed baby, you would see plainly a child is being murdered in the most cruel way. Its like something the Nazi's would do for population control. What has happened to America that we feel no remorse for the killing of innocent children and we praise the killers and justifiy it because the law says its OK. The law is wrong! Also wrong to make doctors do abortions or they lose their jobs.
Thanat0s67 yes, the stories that come out of Tillers clinic sound like legal back ally abortions. The decision to close the clinic and not reopen it has now been made...thank God!
Thanat0s67 bar you'll wear that the US Supreme Court has been wrong on many major decisions and then overturned itself. The dread Scott case on slavery for one. Think about it if the Supreme Court ruled child abuse was legal (hypothetical) would you say well it's the law! If the Supreme Court declared rape a evolutionary need fulfillment and not a violation in any way, would you agree? In justice can be done by men who wear long white robes.
Well your God says that we should stone rape victims to death because they never shouted loud enough and he condones rape and male supremacy in several bible verses. Is that ok then?
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
The damsel because she cried out not?
As for the bible, No. I don't believe it to be true.
So you do not believe the Bible, why do you hold it up as a standard to judge me? You don't even understand it.
You gave scripture saying it was about "rape victims" when it is clear it is about adultery? So maybe you don't like what the Bible says about adultery, why pretend it is rape? This just shows the length in which you will twist your thoughts...until you believe that destroying the growing life of a mothers son or daughter in her womb is a life saving act.
If you believe in the bible then you believe in these verses therefore I am asking if you support the commands given in these verses.
Wait, adultery is consensual sex. So why would the bible expect a woman engaging in consensual sex to cry out?
You should also read Deuteronomy 22:25 which further clears up that they are talking about rape. With references to force etc. some translations use the word rape directly.
I am not twisting my thoughts at all. To suggest that is an ad-hominem
I didn't say Deuteronomy 22:25 mentioned stoning. It mentions rape
My point is that during consensual sex a woman wouldn't cry for help. Combined with the use of the words "force" and, in some translations, "rape". It is shown that these passages are referring to rape.
Deuteronomy 22:22 Raping someone's wife is punishable by death
Deuteronomy 22:24 If in a city the rape victim and rapist should die
Deuteronomy 22:25 If in a countryside only the rapist should die
My crazy making? I am simply saying that your standard of morals condemns rape victims to death.
This video contains no evidence whatsoever, simply anonymous stories from a pro-life website. It is slander against a murder victim who should be shown respect. It is despicable that you would act like this. Regardless of what you may feel Tiller did with his life he should be respected in death. He dedicated his life to protecting woman's health, and saved countless woman's lives.
The things I heard about Tiller is almost not human. Aborting babies, and then taking pictures of them. Abortions done to babies who were more than 6 months old, and other stories which are so cold, that I have to ask a my friend who knows or knew much about this man.
Because he heard a woman died in an illegal abortion and never wanted this to happen again.
What a monster (sarcasm).
The man dedicated his life to protecting women's rights and health and he is vilified and his memory tarnished by slander and lies once he is dead.
I have yet to see a single piece of real evidence as to his crimes. The stories here are written anonymously on a pro-life website, how biased can you get?
Thanat0s67 I see that in your description you call yourself a "Secular Humanist" which seems to mean that you to not think human like is precious, but you consider humans to be a parasite on the face of earth. That is why you think killing babies is life saving.
These are just two stories can out after a death of a woman getting a late term abortion a Tiller's clinic.
HERE IS A COMMON CLAIM: people say they're opposed to abortion but they don't want to impose their morality on others. MY ANSWER: what about the morality of rape, childabuse, theft, arson, and murder? It's ludicrous to say you're opposed to immoral behaviors but you don't want to impose your Morality on others. every law ever passed AS A MORALITY to it. no one has the right legal or otherwise to harm innocents. and there's nothing more innocent than that child in the womb.
Abortions are not pleasent affairs, they are sometimes necessary for a varirty of reasons.
In a perfect world where no one made mistakes, and no one ever got into complications from pregnancy, and the resources were available to take care of all those unwanted children, then yes, abortion needn't exist. However we don't live a perfect world, and unfortunately some woman have to make this awful choice.
Abortion, a horrendous abomination before the Lord. All I could think of while listening to this is our precious Lord's heartache and righteous anger felt,and not for these alone but for the 40 million thus far and counting. What patience our precious Lord has toward these horrendous crimes being committed...But His time is coming and He will pour out His wrath upon those who have done these abominable things.I do pray all women repent, also the doctors and nurses who have taken partt.
My response here was illustrating that if you find the number of aborted foetuses abhorrent, and those that provide this service are (for lack a better word) evil. You must surely also find the god who sits back and has watched countless unborn children die (along with their mothers) over the course of human history. Who is to blame here? I'm looking for consistency.
Either you find the deaths of babies unacceptable at all times, or you don't.
death is the final enemy Jesus Christ has conquered, death for our sakes. but we are still in time and space and the end hasn't come yet. every living being is appointed unto death, that's an undeniable fact whether you believe in God or not. The godless are the ones playing with their own inconsistencies and hypocrisies. if God does not exist you should not be outraged about the death of children in a book of fiction; AS MANY ATHEISTS ASSERT. and death itself should'nt matter to you at all.
we have a victory, the Scottish atheist is suggesting abortions should be prevented in the unwanted children should be placed into loving and caring homes. And that neglected children should be provided for. thank you Scottish atheist for your change of heart we need more people like Mother Teresa. had like to see more pro-life atheists like yourself fighting for the rights of the unborn.
God is there......if a woman has a miscarriage then it is God's will, whether it be because something has not taken place that should have biologically or perhaps just the experience for the mother to endure..we cannot assume to know the will or purposes of God to their full extent...but one day all these things will be revealed to us in His time But to abort a baby is premeditated murder out of selfishness and an unwillingness to commit your life to the outcome of ones lust most times than not.
How many unwanted children have you taken in lately? How many neglected children have you fed and clothed lately?
It's a terrible situation but it can sometimes be a small mercy. If you care about children, start adopting those that are in the system, instead of fighting to get more put in.
I actually support children, the Watoto babies in Africa and a little boy in Peru for about 3 years now...and semd money for food, bought chickens for African families to begin their own businesses.I'm not blowing my horn...but I live on a fixed income, I have a disability. How do I do this? "The Lord is my strength". He is my provider, He knows my heart and will always bless me because He knows I will not squander any blessing He sends my way....and you?
@adrenacrumb you say ur a believer, but two yrs ago you posted that someone whould pray to the sun and see if it gives te same results as jesus, isnt that idolitry?
jo3jo3221 5 months ago
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@hyoidbone54 "Yes we will be held accountable, and we need God mercy"
sablechicken 2 years ago
she replied this to your message asking her "Do you really think someone is recording all your thoughts and words?" on her abortion video. she didnt cerrectly respond to your post, so I thought I would do it for her.
jo3jo3221 5 months ago
There actually is archelogical proof. most of it is explained by logic though, i do for one beleive in the lord all mighty, because frankly thats something everybody belevies in, and if not that, thay beleive in reincarnation or some other such things, we all beleive in something even atheists beleive something will happen after they die, so lets stop arguing about religon because everyone sees it their own way and nobody will agree
blueangels14 1 year ago
uhm actually i just listened to the whole thing, this has got to be made up.
"Do I have to go to a church to ask God to forgive me? If I have to, what type of church?"
???????????????????????
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
Excuse me, but these kind of video's make abortion doctors sound as monsters, while women who go to an abortion clinic are supposedly "innocent victims".
I am a strong supported of a woman's choice, but choice has consequences. Part of the choice is the responsibility of your actions. Complications are a risk of any surgery. Or pregnancy, in fact.
Kayelle1980 2 years ago
so god is pretty much santa claus is what you are saying. you tell kids santa is watching and won't give you presents, and then go only joking there's no santa. then you say but there is a sky daddy watching and he will burn you in hell forever. you can go to hell for trying to excuse the man who killed tiller.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 2
"so god is pretty much santa claus is what you are saying"?
Not really, God blesses and gives grace to both good and bad people.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
prove it.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 2
Well, first of all, Jesus came down to earth to die for everyone's sins. Second, God provides mankind with food and water via plants, animals and water sources. Third, He provides mankind with intelligence. Fourth, no matter how selfish, proud, murderous humans become, God still seems merciful enough to provide for them.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
Besides, the fact that you are alive and well and talking to me is another sign of God's mercy. So don't waste it ungratefully by blaspheming Him.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
we're alive so jesus christ must have risen from the dead. i can't argue with that kind of air tight logic.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
"we're alive so jesus christ must have risen from the dead"?
You don't read so well do you. I said The fact that your alive and that Christ has came down to earth to die for your sins is proof that God blesses everyone, "good" or "bad".
gneisenau321 2 years ago
uhm you havent provided proof jesus came to earth, you are just taking it for granted. where's the proof?
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 4
Jesus was a real person. Historians like Tacitus(a non-christian) and Josephus(a Jew who probably never even met him) acknowledged he existed. Jesus is known not only from
Scripture but outside of it as well.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
those are both only given to us by christian hands and are most likely not real. they have both, or a fact, been altered.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
I think you are the one taking your anti-christian dogma for granted.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
you realize that despite what you are told in church jesus doing do a single thing to help humanity right? he came down here and instead of telling us things like germs make people sick he told us demons did it. did nothing to help us and told us we will burn in hell if we don't believe in him. jesus was nothing more than a bully.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
adrenacrumb, a bully? Jesus healed the sick, and gave sight to the blind. He was sent by God, and did miracles...how was he rewarded? He was whipped, beat and mocked then hung on a cross to die a criminal's death for ALL of our sins...while being TOTALLY sinless himself,.....AND YOU CALL HIM A BULLY!!!!
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sablechicken 2 years ago
he only healed a few sick people....why would the son of god use his powers to only cure a few people and not give humanity the knowledge to stop it and in fact tell us a lie about what causes it?
anyone who tells me i'm going to burn in hell for not believing in them IS A BULLY. what if i asked you to mow my lawn and when you said no i told you that you were going to suffer in hellfire for eternity, does that make me an okay person?
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 2
he did tell us how to heal all sickness, he told us how to escape our pain. he told us how to get saved and live for eternity where theres no suffering and no sickness. also he said with faith as a grain of mustard seed you can move mountains.how much easier is it to heal a sick body?maybe you dont see miracles because youve never had the faith to see them.its such an easy thing and yet you havent done it.
im1881man 2 years ago
that's absolutely the dumbest thing i have read in my life.
do you know what a fairytale is? it's a lot easier to tell yourself that god performs miracles than it is to actually see evidence of them happening, trust me.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
you are only "bullying" yourself into going to Hell... if you don't want to go to Hell and you want salvation, then stop bullying yourself.
the choice is yours.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
hahaha there is no hell you dope. grow up already.
it's a JEWISH MYTH
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
then don't complain if it happens.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
okay you fucking moron
you are using hell to bully me right now.
WELL DONT COMPLAIN IF IT HAPPENS you are your fake ass messiah are fucking dicks.
grow up, seriously.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
and your*
guy it isn't real. there was no biblical moses. it wasn't even possible for there to have been a biblical moses with the archaeological evidence they have found. it's a JEWISH MYTH, it isn't real. you can stop going around telling people they are going to some fictional torture when they die just because you think it means you can lord power of people. thnx
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
you believe the word of a man who told us that sickness comes from demons and not germs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
jesus was not sinless. in the jewish law it was a sin to touch a leper, which jesus did. he sinned. it was a sin to be under the same roof as the dead and he did that as well. you have no idea who jesus was only what your preacher tells you.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 2
i know you believe this jewish mythology is true because mommy and daddy told you it was when you were a kid. if they hadn't told you santa clause didn't exist you would probably believe that too. christ was not a good person, you are seeing it from the wrong side, the side you WANT to believe. but anyone who wishes you eternal hellfire is not a good person, nor a good god for that matter.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
hav u evr thought that u only beleve wat u beleve b/c u were told that?that mabe u look at it from the wrong sid?is some1 who ofers eternal life without sufering instead of nothingnes after death bad?all he asks is that u folow a few simple instructions.mabe u beleve wat u beleve b/c ur runing from God.or mabe u think if u dont believe in God that he'll just go away.i hop u change ur mind b/c 1 day we'll find out which is correct,& ther r consequences if ur wrong,& i was just a nice guy if i am
im1881man 2 years ago
uhm i grew up going to church. no one told me there was no god it just made itself abundantly clear after a while. god is a construct of man. it is no coincidence every civiization in history has had a mythological story to expain what they could not understand. you just got tricked into believing the mythology story for the jews is actually real.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
do this for me, try praying to the sun all of the time and see if you don't get the exact same responses you would have gotten praying to jesus. i can promise that you will.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
if jesus loved me he would take my place in hell. so what, he got beaten, tortured, killed, at least he doesn't have to spend an eternity in eternal agony. got off pretty damn easy if you ask me.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
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wensab9696 1 year ago
btw i hate to do this to you, but the bible is nothing but jewish mythology. you know how every other culture on planet earth has the exact same crazy stories in their religions? you know, the ones you look at and go, wow that is so crazy there's no way that could have happened?
well uh, the bible is just a myth for the jews. you can't really believe that is the only myth with insane things happening that is actually true do you? lol okay.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
"btw i hate to do this to you, but the bible is nothing but jewish mythology"?
A mythology that has it's Messianic prophecies fulfilled?
"you know how every other culture on planet earth has the exact same crazy stories in their religions?"
No they don't. Read some real history books rather than anti-theist propaganda.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
they weren't fulfilled, the old testament spefically says the messiah will bring peace to isael and establish a one world central govt. when did that happen?
lol real history books hahahahaha
real history books don't have people who rise from the dead.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
"the old testament spefically says the messiah will bring peace to isael(Israel) and establish a one world central govt. when did that happen?"
That would be the second coming. You did not mention that the prophecy said that he would be tortured, betrayed and executed.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
All of which happened.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
yea that all happened? when was there peace and a one world govt in israel???? i must have missed that.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
executed?? where does it say their messiah would be executed? it doesn't say that anywhere, quite the opposite.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
that is why they had to remove jesus' dead body from the tomb, because he died before fulfilling everything. it doesn't say their messiah would die that is silly.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
How exactly do you know your thoughts and words are being recorded?
hyoidbone54 2 years ago
Recorded as in God knows everything you have thought, said and done and you will be held accountable for it.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
Do you really think someone is recording all your thoughts and words?
hyoidbone54 2 years ago
Yes we will be held accountable, and we need God mercy.
sablechicken 2 years ago
XerganzoX, you will be healed accountable for everything that you have said and done...I don't know if you realize this.
sablechicken 2 years ago
Well, XerganzoX's comment and the thumbs ups are proof that some abortionist's are really killing babies for the fun of it.
gneisenau321 2 years ago
thats so scary!
OnceAnAtheist 2 years ago
This is so painful for me to listen to, but is exactly why, more need to hear it
MystSilverDragon 2 years ago
i appreciate you posting this video. If people could actually see what an abortionist does to a perfectly formed baby, you would see plainly a child is being murdered in the most cruel way. Its like something the Nazi's would do for population control. What has happened to America that we feel no remorse for the killing of innocent children and we praise the killers and justifiy it because the law says its OK. The law is wrong! Also wrong to make doctors do abortions or they lose their jobs.
Bonigee 2 years ago
EEEENCH, LOST A SUBSCRIBER!!!
akai454 2 years ago
This is so much bullshit.
I mean honestly, down into the basement? 7 women all in the same room?
An abortion clinic has single, private rooms.
You don't think Tiller would have been struck off for these actions? Abortion clinics are closely monitored, just like any medical facility.
This is complete slander of a dead person.
These are just stories published by pro-life campaigners, do they have any evidence for these stories? They are also written anonymously
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
Thanat0s67 yes, the stories that come out of Tillers clinic sound like legal back ally abortions. The decision to close the clinic and not reopen it has now been made...thank God!
sablechicken 2 years ago
Do you have any proof for these stories?
Also there are a lot more stories about Tiller saving people's lives, being considerate, respectful and dignified.
The decision to close the clinic will result in the deaths of women all over America.
Women who are in the third trimester and have serious birth complications will now die because this clinic is closed.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
Thanat0s67 bar you'll wear that the US Supreme Court has been wrong on many major decisions and then overturned itself. The dread Scott case on slavery for one. Think about it if the Supreme Court ruled child abuse was legal (hypothetical) would you say well it's the law! If the Supreme Court declared rape a evolutionary need fulfillment and not a violation in any way, would you agree? In justice can be done by men who wear long white robes.
GEERUP 2 years ago
Well your God says that we should stone rape victims to death because they never shouted loud enough and he condones rape and male supremacy in several bible verses. Is that ok then?
Deuteronomy 22:23-4
I Timothy 2:11-14
Ephesians 5:22-24
Numbers 31:17-18
Isaiah 13:15-16
Hosea 13:16
I Corinthians 14:34-35
The supreme court would be violating the constitution and human right's etc.
However, my argument is that Tiller didn't violate any laws and these laws regard ethical behavious, privacy etc.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
Thanat0s67,
Do you believe the Bible to be true?
BTW not one of the verses you sited says anything about rape victims should be put to death by stoning.
sablechicken 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 22:22
Deuteronomy 22:23
Deuteronomy 22:24
22:24 states:
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
The damsel because she cried out not?
As for the bible, No. I don't believe it to be true.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
So you do not believe the Bible, why do you hold it up as a standard to judge me? You don't even understand it.
You gave scripture saying it was about "rape victims" when it is clear it is about adultery? So maybe you don't like what the Bible says about adultery, why pretend it is rape? This just shows the length in which you will twist your thoughts...until you believe that destroying the growing life of a mothers son or daughter in her womb is a life saving act.
sablechicken 2 years ago
If you believe in the bible then you believe in these verses therefore I am asking if you support the commands given in these verses.
Wait, adultery is consensual sex. So why would the bible expect a woman engaging in consensual sex to cry out?
You should also read Deuteronomy 22:25 which further clears up that they are talking about rape. With references to force etc. some translations use the word rape directly.
I am not twisting my thoughts at all. To suggest that is an ad-hominem
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
"So why would the bible expect a woman engaging in consensual sex to cry out?"
People that give something willingly don't cry out for help, only people that are being robbed cry out for help. Why would you think other wise?
Deuteronomy 22:25 says nothing about stoning rape victims!
sablechicken 2 years ago
I didn't say Deuteronomy 22:25 mentioned stoning. It mentions rape
My point is that during consensual sex a woman wouldn't cry for help. Combined with the use of the words "force" and, in some translations, "rape". It is shown that these passages are referring to rape.
Deuteronomy 22:22 Raping someone's wife is punishable by death
Deuteronomy 22:24 If in a city the rape victim and rapist should die
Deuteronomy 22:25 If in a countryside only the rapist should die
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
You left out
Deuteronomy 22: 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,
a⋅dul⋅ter⋅y [uh-duhl-tuh-ree]
noun, plural -ter⋅ies.
voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.
ThanatOs67
you are off topic, and I am getting sick of your crazy making.
sablechicken 2 years ago
My crazy making? I am simply saying that your standard of morals condemns rape victims to death.
This video contains no evidence whatsoever, simply anonymous stories from a pro-life website. It is slander against a murder victim who should be shown respect. It is despicable that you would act like this. Regardless of what you may feel Tiller did with his life he should be respected in death. He dedicated his life to protecting woman's health, and saved countless woman's lives.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
Tiller put Christin Gilbert to death, a mentally disabled rape victim!
sablechicken 2 years ago
Christin Gilbert died from Sepsis after her abortion.
The Kansas board of Healing Arts found him innocent of any wrongdoing and so did a grand jury.
So you are throwing about more unfounded accusations at a murder victim.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
"Tiller is burning in hell and he deserves it. "
Do you think his murderer was justified in killing him?
bitbutter 2 years ago
Just curious, I noticed you are Pro capital punishment.
Why is this?
Also how much do you spend each much to save starving african babies?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago 2
and THIS is what the good "pastor" javid supports, and the evil president we are cursed with for now.
YokedtoJesus 2 years ago
The things I heard about Tiller is almost not human. Aborting babies, and then taking pictures of them. Abortions done to babies who were more than 6 months old, and other stories which are so cold, that I have to ask a my friend who knows or knew much about this man.
darcytirsia 2 years ago 2
Do you know why Tiller went into abortions?
Because he heard a woman died in an illegal abortion and never wanted this to happen again.
What a monster (sarcasm).
The man dedicated his life to protecting women's rights and health and he is vilified and his memory tarnished by slander and lies once he is dead.
I have yet to see a single piece of real evidence as to his crimes. The stories here are written anonymously on a pro-life website, how biased can you get?
Thanat0s67 2 years ago 2
Thanat0s67 I see that in your description you call yourself a "Secular Humanist" which seems to mean that you to not think human like is precious, but you consider humans to be a parasite on the face of earth. That is why you think killing babies is life saving.
These are just two stories can out after a death of a woman getting a late term abortion a Tiller's clinic.
sablechicken 2 years ago
What? Do you have any clue what secular humanism is?
Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that upholds reason, ethics, and justice.
You have utterly no clue what you are talking about if you think Secular Humanists don't care about human life. It's simply not the case.
I do not think Humans are parasites on this earth, where you got that from I do not know.
You should actually research secular humanism before you strawman what it stands for.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
HERE IS A COMMON CLAIM: people say they're opposed to abortion but they don't want to impose their morality on others. MY ANSWER: what about the morality of rape, childabuse, theft, arson, and murder? It's ludicrous to say you're opposed to immoral behaviors but you don't want to impose your Morality on others. every law ever passed AS A MORALITY to it. no one has the right legal or otherwise to harm innocents. and there's nothing more innocent than that child in the womb.
GEERUP 2 years ago
Is there morality to getting a parking ticket?
Abortions are not pleasent affairs, they are sometimes necessary for a varirty of reasons.
In a perfect world where no one made mistakes, and no one ever got into complications from pregnancy, and the resources were available to take care of all those unwanted children, then yes, abortion needn't exist. However we don't live a perfect world, and unfortunately some woman have to make this awful choice.
I also hope you condemn Tillers murder.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
Abortion, a horrendous abomination before the Lord. All I could think of while listening to this is our precious Lord's heartache and righteous anger felt,and not for these alone but for the 40 million thus far and counting. What patience our precious Lord has toward these horrendous crimes being committed...But His time is coming and He will pour out His wrath upon those who have done these abominable things.I do pray all women repent, also the doctors and nurses who have taken partt.
MumzyTube 2 years ago
"Abortion, a horrendous abomination before the Lord."
Are you talking about the same lord who murdered all the egyptian firstborns?
bitbutter 2 years ago
More pregnancies are spontaneously aborted on there own than are aborted by doctors.
Where is your god now?
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
ScottishAtheist, where is your common sense?
If your statement is true than that would make every pregnancies more precious.
sablechicken 2 years ago
Refer to my reply to Geerup.
My response here was illustrating that if you find the number of aborted foetuses abhorrent, and those that provide this service are (for lack a better word) evil. You must surely also find the god who sits back and has watched countless unborn children die (along with their mothers) over the course of human history. Who is to blame here? I'm looking for consistency.
Either you find the deaths of babies unacceptable at all times, or you don't.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
death is the final enemy Jesus Christ has conquered, death for our sakes. but we are still in time and space and the end hasn't come yet. every living being is appointed unto death, that's an undeniable fact whether you believe in God or not. The godless are the ones playing with their own inconsistencies and hypocrisies. if God does not exist you should not be outraged about the death of children in a book of fiction; AS MANY ATHEISTS ASSERT. and death itself should'nt matter to you at all.
GEERUP 2 years ago
we have a victory, the Scottish atheist is suggesting abortions should be prevented in the unwanted children should be placed into loving and caring homes. And that neglected children should be provided for. thank you Scottish atheist for your change of heart we need more people like Mother Teresa. had like to see more pro-life atheists like yourself fighting for the rights of the unborn.
GEERUP 2 years ago
I'd be shocked if you can even breath without instructions Geerup.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
and the Scottish atheist again resorts to off-topic ad homonyms. another mark of level of maturity and ability to present a cogent argument.
GEERUP 2 years ago
God is there......if a woman has a miscarriage then it is God's will, whether it be because something has not taken place that should have biologically or perhaps just the experience for the mother to endure..we cannot assume to know the will or purposes of God to their full extent...but one day all these things will be revealed to us in His time But to abort a baby is premeditated murder out of selfishness and an unwillingness to commit your life to the outcome of ones lust most times than not.
MumzyTube 2 years ago
How many unwanted children have you taken in lately? How many neglected children have you fed and clothed lately?
It's a terrible situation but it can sometimes be a small mercy. If you care about children, start adopting those that are in the system, instead of fighting to get more put in.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago 2
I actually support children, the Watoto babies in Africa and a little boy in Peru for about 3 years now...and semd money for food, bought chickens for African families to begin their own businesses.I'm not blowing my horn...but I live on a fixed income, I have a disability. How do I do this? "The Lord is my strength". He is my provider, He knows my heart and will always bless me because He knows I will not squander any blessing He sends my way....and you?
MumzyTube 2 years ago
thank you Sable
GEERUP 2 years ago