I suggest you look at all of String Theory before writing it off. You're also dead wrong about Quantum theory, as Max Planck began work on it in the early 1900's, and we still don't have the quantum theory of gravity, so in fact it's taken more than a century.
Another thing is, if there is a God, why would it be the one that relates to the bible? You quote from scripture at the end of the video, but why that particular God?
to add on my explaination of the anthropic principle..
the anthropic principle doesnt describe WHY this universe is how it is.. it just describes why there might be a universe or a place in that universe that can sustain life..
once you realize that, you can figure out that IF we are alive, and there has to be a place for that, then (logically) we live in that place..
if the circumstances here on earth were different we wouldnt be here..
Your video does highlight some mysteries in physics, however the video,s point seems to be that we don't know everything right now. I don't believe this is an argument agaist atheism. Dawkins believe, as do I, that science can describe the univers. If string theory is wrong then that doesn't disprove his argument. You seem to place the rediculus burden that science must know everything; which is impossible. Give scientists time to figure things out.
Perhaps they will figure things out (and I want them to keep on trying) but I find the conclusions reached so far to be interesting. The harder scientists look, the more problems they find.
The hardest one is the creation of the universe. Some scientists have developed the most contrived excuses for the big bang just because they cannot stand the notion of a Prime Mover. The anthropic principal and the multiverse are NOT science. Believing in those ideas requires faith.
Interesting problems in physics, but not evidence for God. Throwing in the theory of God is like painting a smiley face on a window outside of which is only darkness. No light is shed, but some people feel a little better.
it's great for you that you had such an experience, and as you said that will not do anything for someone else..
such an story will not convince me of anything.
but as an aggresive atheist, how could you attribute that feeling inside to a god? i can't imagine a feeling that can't be attributed to god or anything..
you have people talking about near death experiences and things, and how they felt that god was near..
those things are all in the mind, and there is (or will be) a rational [..]
you can now say that if you never have felt it you can't say that it doesn't exist, and that might be true, however every divine intervention on earth can be scientifically explained.
as long as you say god is outside the universe and prayer doesnt help anything, and you do claim that there is an afterlife, then science can't disprove it.
but as soon as you start to talk about feelings or the effect of prayer science jumps in, because that is something you can measure
i doubt that your original reason to get into christianity was a good reason, but the "problem" now is that you're stuck in your world view, and with the confirmation bias you'll not see outside that box (in my opinion)..
you can "accuse" me of the same, but the day that science scientifically shows that god exists i'll have to accept that fact and i will. untill that day i'll stick to things that can be proven..
i think it's sad that people sometimes make the wrong decisions because they believe, rather that think about what to do..
all the things that science can bring. cures to deceases and improved living conditions for everyone on the planet are stopped by different religions..
on the one hand there is christianity (and in this case catholics, of which i was one) that is denying access to condoms in africa. all the wars that were fought for the sake of spreading religion [..]
[...] on the other hand it's stopping or slowing down scientific progress by denying proper education (evolution theory..) or just morally objecting to stem cell research...
in my opinion belief is doing a whole lot more evil than it does good, and we would be better of without it.
however, this is currently implossible and i don't want to force my disbelieve onto others..
The problem is ultimately many do not want to believe - even if Christ were to appear tomorrow. They would either find an excuse to ignore the obvious - or worse yet, not believe because it would require a life-style change that they do not want to make.
Regardless I trust you are trying to be honest in your choices, and desire to seek the truth. If for no other reason than to understand who us Christians are, I suggest you read Mere Christianity. God bless.
if god were to appear (or jesus..) it would be stupid to ignore that.. if the story of the heaven (as described in the bible is true) i would do everything to make sure i'll get a spot up there :)
this is what people use for pascal's wager.. pure emotions.. what if god exists and you don't obey his demands, you'll go to hell, FOREVER..
just read up on pascals wager and the counter-arguments and you'll see what is flawed with that..
and yes.. i try to understand why people believe, because i cant really figure it out.. society is so advanced and people still have to fall back to bronze age superstition and magic voodoo to find purpose in their lifes..
i know that taking religion away for everyone is impossible, and therefore i'm happy to live in europe, and not in the USA.. but still.. a lot of muslims are now coming to the EU, and europe is radicalizing..
space exploration is expensive.. that is true.. but war in iraq is expensive.. human life is expensive.. all the people killed in the name of religion (no condoms in africa -> aids.. for instance)
i don't get how you can go from a TRUE atheist to a theist.. what actually made you change?
what evidence did you find to support the claims made by the church?
You can never absolutely prove either the existence or non-existence of God by science. As you can guess I have no trouble reconciling my faith with science, including acceptance of general cosmology (universe 14.7B years old, etc..). Again, the church tends to cling to dogmatic positions (that have no biblical basis), more from a concern on maintaining its position of power.
Jesus was not interested in power (neither Paul or the rest of the apostles) - rather in reconciling man to God.
Faith is what pleases God - He desires for us to turn to him willingly, not under compulsion. If God is scientifically proven, then where is my faith?
In college I had an experience that convinced me there was a God (and I do not consider myself an experiential person).. I got into a bible study that examined the scriptures and separately read "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis
harp03n, if there is one Christian apologetic book that you will read, make it Mere Christianity
Our governments have to make many choices on how to spend our money.. economics: the allocation of scarce resources among unlimited needs. War is generally a waste but sometimes has to be fought - going into Iraq was probably not a great idea (with hindsight we all make much better decisions;) )
BTW, I do not abide by "church" teachings. I was convinced not by what men say, but what the Bible says about Christ. Like many I too was disillusioned by the hypocrisy of some in the church.
ok first of.. its great to know that you accept things that science has "proven" (as far as it can be proven.. nothing can be proven to a 100% (accept mathematics..))..
experiences are of no influence if you try to convince someone.. the question i ask when i here these stories is that:
is the chance that this really happened bigger than the chance that someone "tricked" the teller of the story, or is he/she (the teller) trying to "trick" me..
this is in no way an offence.. i won't call you a liar, but thats just what i ask myself and what every person should ask themselves when they here "unbelievable" stories..
there are a lot of causes to visions or experiences.. it can just be alcohol/drugs/suffocating brain/medicines/etc.etc all of these causes seem more likely to me than a private epiphany by god. or ofcourse someone just making up a story to prove a point.. (again, not accusing you..)
i dont think that a true atheist can be turned into a true theist without real evidence..
the day that god is proven to exist i will "believe" in him/her/it. as a scientist (to be) i have to have an open mind, so like you said i can't disprove god.. you can't prove his/her existence either..
how can you then go from the one extreme to the other without evidence.. you say that it was an "experience" but that still doesnt concvince anybody besides you.. that is no scientific evidence..
You're right there is nothing I can do to prove the absoluteness of my experience.
In High school I was an aggressive atheist - Dawkins would have been proud. I argued with Christians to convince them there was no God.
It was my third week in college, and we were given a chapel tour - a version designed to be non-offensive. I remember sitting there for about 45 minutes listening to the chaplain drone on about the services that the chaplain and his staff offered to us students...
So I got bored and started thinking about other things.. school, home etc.. and I also started thinking about God. And when I thought about Him my emotions welled up inside of me - which made me very uncomfortable. I do not consider myself an emotional person.
It had nothing to do with the chaplain (it wasn't a sermon by a long stretch) - and I could not keep my mind off of God and His existence. Perhaps it was all the years that I had defied Him finally caught up to me, I am unsure.
After that point I had to accept His reality, and I figured that I ought to find out who He was. I didn't want to accept a god of typical religion - I wanted the real thing.
I wrote back to one of the Christians at home that "I believe in God, does that make me a Christian?" She replied probably not (she was nice about it), but also sent me a book - Mere Christianity.
I started reading it for a few months, and then joined an investigative bible study led by some of the older students.
Just because we happen to be here doesn't mean we can ignore the odds. The anthropic principal sounds like the line from Buckaroo Banzai - "No matter where you go, there you are" - a cheap philosophical argument.
The reality is that our circumstances are even more amazing beyond basic physics. Having a yellow dwarf as a sun (and only one) that lasts for about 10B years allows sufficient time for life to develop.. the list goes on.
i'm right now here where i am.. what are the odds? that is exactly what you ask!
you try to calculate the odds but has no purpose other than showing that it was very improbable..
just like saying.. what are the odds of using a die and trowing 100 times a 6.. the odds are slim, but if you keep on going you'll eventually hit that target..
just imagine all the possible galaxies, is it so improbable that 1 of them contains life?
Some odds are too high. There is the old line about putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with typewriters hitting keys at random - at some point they will write Hamlet. Not so - the monkeys would die from old age. The structure of physics and the rest of life conspires against a chance happening.
I would suggest reading "Rare Earth" by Paleontologist Peter Ward and astronomer Donald Brownlee. There is a difference between simple life and advanced.
I've heard 1-2 planets per galaxy. Don't forget, it took about 3B years after life was created on earth before multicellular life came about. During that time (and afterwards) the sun had to keep shining at SS, survive asteroid impacts, iceballs etc..
And we needed the mass extinctions in order to allow the new to progress. Without the K-T asteroid, dinosaurs would still rule with mammals hiding out.
So consider the odds - laws of physics, our unique solar system and circumstances.
I agree the universe is on an enormous scale - just that we will never be able to visit it. The speed of light effectively constrains us to our galaxy (and within our local area).
Star Trek's warp drive and Contact's wormhole subway system are fun, but the reality is that they won't work (the WH subway system is a slim possibility).
There may be aliens. Read CS Lewis's "Out of the Silent Planet" which deals with the supposal of life beyond earth and God's response in a very unique manner.
Another consideration is if there is Intelligent life in our galaxy, why have we not made contact? Leaving SETI behind, Sci American a few years back proposed that if an alien civ developed STL space travel and colonized the next star every 500 years (and the colony system did the same, et al)then the entire galaxy would be colonized in 5M years - a drop in the bucket relative to our time on earth. Our planet is just too nice a place to pass up... (nice planet, we'll take it!)
5.000.000 years / 500 years per star = 10.000 stars? i think there are a more stars.. but you might be talking about just our solar system or galaxy..
i sincerely hope that people stop fighter stupid wars and focus on exploring the universe.. we really need a neocon situation where the entire earth's population is working together to achieve something (like putting a man on the moon.. you should watch the documentary: (in the) shadow of the moon.
Haven't watched that one, but we did watch the HBO series.. I even watched Neil Armstrong walk on the moon - live! I'll let you draw your own conclusion on that one;)
Space exploration is cool, but expensive
I used to be an atheist but concerted ultimately because of the human condition. When the sun is shining in your face and the wind is at your back it is easy to say there is no need for God. But it never lasts..
You are missing a couple of factors in your monkey analogy..
The number of monkeys are not a bunch, but infinate, so the monkey would not die before they finished the job, because it would happen instantly, some monkey, somewhere in the room would get it on the first try..
I would suggest reading "Philosophy and science for dummies who need to incorporate God and/or a Creator into everything 101"
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teedonster 1 year ago
I suggest you look at all of String Theory before writing it off. You're also dead wrong about Quantum theory, as Max Planck began work on it in the early 1900's, and we still don't have the quantum theory of gravity, so in fact it's taken more than a century.
Another thing is, if there is a God, why would it be the one that relates to the bible? You quote from scripture at the end of the video, but why that particular God?
kitchenaut 2 years ago
to add on my explaination of the anthropic principle..
the anthropic principle doesnt describe WHY this universe is how it is.. it just describes why there might be a universe or a place in that universe that can sustain life..
once you realize that, you can figure out that IF we are alive, and there has to be a place for that, then (logically) we live in that place..
if the circumstances here on earth were different we wouldnt be here..
harp03n 3 years ago
Your video does highlight some mysteries in physics, however the video,s point seems to be that we don't know everything right now. I don't believe this is an argument agaist atheism. Dawkins believe, as do I, that science can describe the univers. If string theory is wrong then that doesn't disprove his argument. You seem to place the rediculus burden that science must know everything; which is impossible. Give scientists time to figure things out.
freemind62 3 years ago 3
Perhaps they will figure things out (and I want them to keep on trying) but I find the conclusions reached so far to be interesting. The harder scientists look, the more problems they find.
The hardest one is the creation of the universe. Some scientists have developed the most contrived excuses for the big bang just because they cannot stand the notion of a Prime Mover. The anthropic principal and the multiverse are NOT science. Believing in those ideas requires faith.
3superdogs 3 years ago
yeah and the origin of life, space and time is such a SMALL event, that you would expect that scientists would solve that in 200 years :P
geez. you're asking the life questions. no-one knows, scientists can only make (educated) guesses, sofar atleast..
the anthropic principle might not be scientific proven, but i offers a POSSIBLE explaination. christians say. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?
the anthropic principle gives a philisofical answer to that question. that is A POSSIBILIY!! just like your god
harp03n 3 years ago
Interesting problems in physics, but not evidence for God. Throwing in the theory of God is like painting a smiley face on a window outside of which is only darkness. No light is shed, but some people feel a little better.
Maxdwolf 3 years ago
Ultimately God desires faith - believe it or not, He does not want to force us to believe.
BTW, I like smiley faces, and there is light on the other side of the window :)
3superdogs 3 years ago
it's great for you that you had such an experience, and as you said that will not do anything for someone else..
such an story will not convince me of anything.
but as an aggresive atheist, how could you attribute that feeling inside to a god? i can't imagine a feeling that can't be attributed to god or anything..
you have people talking about near death experiences and things, and how they felt that god was near..
those things are all in the mind, and there is (or will be) a rational [..]
harp03n 3 years ago
[..] explanation.
you can now say that if you never have felt it you can't say that it doesn't exist, and that might be true, however every divine intervention on earth can be scientifically explained.
as long as you say god is outside the universe and prayer doesnt help anything, and you do claim that there is an afterlife, then science can't disprove it.
but as soon as you start to talk about feelings or the effect of prayer science jumps in, because that is something you can measure
harp03n 3 years ago
i doubt that your original reason to get into christianity was a good reason, but the "problem" now is that you're stuck in your world view, and with the confirmation bias you'll not see outside that box (in my opinion)..
you can "accuse" me of the same, but the day that science scientifically shows that god exists i'll have to accept that fact and i will. untill that day i'll stick to things that can be proven..
[..]
harp03n 3 years ago
i think it's sad that people sometimes make the wrong decisions because they believe, rather that think about what to do..
all the things that science can bring. cures to deceases and improved living conditions for everyone on the planet are stopped by different religions..
on the one hand there is christianity (and in this case catholics, of which i was one) that is denying access to condoms in africa. all the wars that were fought for the sake of spreading religion [..]
harp03n 3 years ago
[...] on the other hand it's stopping or slowing down scientific progress by denying proper education (evolution theory..) or just morally objecting to stem cell research...
in my opinion belief is doing a whole lot more evil than it does good, and we would be better of without it.
however, this is currently implossible and i don't want to force my disbelieve onto others..
harp03n 3 years ago
The problem is ultimately many do not want to believe - even if Christ were to appear tomorrow. They would either find an excuse to ignore the obvious - or worse yet, not believe because it would require a life-style change that they do not want to make.
Regardless I trust you are trying to be honest in your choices, and desire to seek the truth. If for no other reason than to understand who us Christians are, I suggest you read Mere Christianity. God bless.
3superdogs 3 years ago
thanks..
if god were to appear (or jesus..) it would be stupid to ignore that.. if the story of the heaven (as described in the bible is true) i would do everything to make sure i'll get a spot up there :)
this is what people use for pascal's wager.. pure emotions.. what if god exists and you don't obey his demands, you'll go to hell, FOREVER..
just read up on pascals wager and the counter-arguments and you'll see what is flawed with that..
harp03n 3 years ago
and yes.. i try to understand why people believe, because i cant really figure it out.. society is so advanced and people still have to fall back to bronze age superstition and magic voodoo to find purpose in their lifes..
i know that taking religion away for everyone is impossible, and therefore i'm happy to live in europe, and not in the USA.. but still.. a lot of muslims are now coming to the EU, and europe is radicalizing..
harp03n 3 years ago
read 'why i am a christian' edited by norman geisler
3superdogs 3 years ago
google "the faultline in the mount of olives"
then read zecheriah 14:4
3superdogs 3 years ago
1. a 1.000 hits, i would think that if this was truly the work of god i would get at least 50 million?
2. what does this actually proof? that there are some things in the bible that are accurate?
3. again confirmation bias.. people go and look what fits their worldview and ideology and they deny everything else..
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what is exactly the point you're trying to make here?
harp03n 3 years ago
yeah great that you saw that live..
space exploration is expensive.. that is true.. but war in iraq is expensive.. human life is expensive.. all the people killed in the name of religion (no condoms in africa -> aids.. for instance)
i don't get how you can go from a TRUE atheist to a theist.. what actually made you change?
what evidence did you find to support the claims made by the church?
harp03n 3 years ago
[...] i'm an atheist. i don't believe in god, but the day that god is (scientifically) proven, i have no choice but to believe it..
then i'll have to believe that he/she/it exists.. that doenst mean that i'll worship him/her/it..
people turning to religion from atheism is mostly due to appeal to emotion..
jezus loves you, why don't you accept that?
jezus died for your sins, why do you continue your wicked life. etc. etc.
if you want.. please explain how you turned to theism from atheism
harp03n 3 years ago
You can never absolutely prove either the existence or non-existence of God by science. As you can guess I have no trouble reconciling my faith with science, including acceptance of general cosmology (universe 14.7B years old, etc..). Again, the church tends to cling to dogmatic positions (that have no biblical basis), more from a concern on maintaining its position of power.
Jesus was not interested in power (neither Paul or the rest of the apostles) - rather in reconciling man to God.
3superdogs 3 years ago
Faith is what pleases God - He desires for us to turn to him willingly, not under compulsion. If God is scientifically proven, then where is my faith?
In college I had an experience that convinced me there was a God (and I do not consider myself an experiential person).. I got into a bible study that examined the scriptures and separately read "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis
harp03n, if there is one Christian apologetic book that you will read, make it Mere Christianity
3superdogs 3 years ago
Our governments have to make many choices on how to spend our money.. economics: the allocation of scarce resources among unlimited needs. War is generally a waste but sometimes has to be fought - going into Iraq was probably not a great idea (with hindsight we all make much better decisions;) )
BTW, I do not abide by "church" teachings. I was convinced not by what men say, but what the Bible says about Christ. Like many I too was disillusioned by the hypocrisy of some in the church.
3superdogs 3 years ago
ok first of.. its great to know that you accept things that science has "proven" (as far as it can be proven.. nothing can be proven to a 100% (accept mathematics..))..
experiences are of no influence if you try to convince someone.. the question i ask when i here these stories is that:
is the chance that this really happened bigger than the chance that someone "tricked" the teller of the story, or is he/she (the teller) trying to "trick" me..
harp03n 3 years ago
this is in no way an offence.. i won't call you a liar, but thats just what i ask myself and what every person should ask themselves when they here "unbelievable" stories..
there are a lot of causes to visions or experiences.. it can just be alcohol/drugs/suffocating brain/medicines/etc.etc all of these causes seem more likely to me than a private epiphany by god. or ofcourse someone just making up a story to prove a point.. (again, not accusing you..)
harp03n 3 years ago
i dont think that a true atheist can be turned into a true theist without real evidence..
the day that god is proven to exist i will "believe" in him/her/it. as a scientist (to be) i have to have an open mind, so like you said i can't disprove god.. you can't prove his/her existence either..
how can you then go from the one extreme to the other without evidence.. you say that it was an "experience" but that still doesnt concvince anybody besides you.. that is no scientific evidence..
harp03n 3 years ago
You're right there is nothing I can do to prove the absoluteness of my experience.
In High school I was an aggressive atheist - Dawkins would have been proud. I argued with Christians to convince them there was no God.
It was my third week in college, and we were given a chapel tour - a version designed to be non-offensive. I remember sitting there for about 45 minutes listening to the chaplain drone on about the services that the chaplain and his staff offered to us students...
3superdogs 3 years ago
So I got bored and started thinking about other things.. school, home etc.. and I also started thinking about God. And when I thought about Him my emotions welled up inside of me - which made me very uncomfortable. I do not consider myself an emotional person.
It had nothing to do with the chaplain (it wasn't a sermon by a long stretch) - and I could not keep my mind off of God and His existence. Perhaps it was all the years that I had defied Him finally caught up to me, I am unsure.
3superdogs 3 years ago
After that point I had to accept His reality, and I figured that I ought to find out who He was. I didn't want to accept a god of typical religion - I wanted the real thing.
I wrote back to one of the Christians at home that "I believe in God, does that make me a Christian?" She replied probably not (she was nice about it), but also sent me a book - Mere Christianity.
I started reading it for a few months, and then joined an investigative bible study led by some of the older students.
3superdogs 3 years ago
The thing that convinced me was that the Bible study complimented with what I read in Lewis's book. Several weeks later I accepted Christ.
Every true Christian's conversion is a personal affair - I can share mine with you, but God will work in each person differently.
This is what is called faith, not the man in polyester slacks asking for my money, but the call of God within one's heart.
BTW I have never done drugs, or undergone any other episodes!!
3superdogs 3 years ago
I think you know the odds for that one!
Just because we happen to be here doesn't mean we can ignore the odds. The anthropic principal sounds like the line from Buckaroo Banzai - "No matter where you go, there you are" - a cheap philosophical argument.
The reality is that our circumstances are even more amazing beyond basic physics. Having a yellow dwarf as a sun (and only one) that lasts for about 10B years allows sufficient time for life to develop.. the list goes on.
3superdogs 3 years ago
it's an valid argument just because it happened..
i'm right now here where i am.. what are the odds? that is exactly what you ask!
you try to calculate the odds but has no purpose other than showing that it was very improbable..
just like saying.. what are the odds of using a die and trowing 100 times a 6.. the odds are slim, but if you keep on going you'll eventually hit that target..
just imagine all the possible galaxies, is it so improbable that 1 of them contains life?
harp03n 3 years ago
Some odds are too high. There is the old line about putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with typewriters hitting keys at random - at some point they will write Hamlet. Not so - the monkeys would die from old age. The structure of physics and the rest of life conspires against a chance happening.
I would suggest reading "Rare Earth" by Paleontologist Peter Ward and astronomer Donald Brownlee. There is a difference between simple life and advanced.
3superdogs 3 years ago
yes.. and simple life evolved (evolution ;)) to more advanced species, such as dolphines, humans, monkeys, beatles, ants, sharks, etc. etc.
what odds do that people calculate for the existence of a habital planet? 1 in a billion? 1 in a billion billion?
that still leaves us with plenty of planets where life is possible..
just look up for fun how many planets/stars/galaxies/solar systems there are..
you'll be amazed ;)
harp03n 3 years ago
I've heard 1-2 planets per galaxy. Don't forget, it took about 3B years after life was created on earth before multicellular life came about. During that time (and afterwards) the sun had to keep shining at SS, survive asteroid impacts, iceballs etc..
And we needed the mass extinctions in order to allow the new to progress. Without the K-T asteroid, dinosaurs would still rule with mammals hiding out.
So consider the odds - laws of physics, our unique solar system and circumstances.
3superdogs 3 years ago
1 or 2 per galaxy? that still seems like a bit of a understatement..
but even then.. how many galaxies you think there are? look it up..
if you want to guess how many stars there are now is your time............
got something?
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some sites give estimations of 70 sextillion.. i wonder how far this differs from your original number..
you now see the enormous scale of our universe? we're not alone.. there are many more planets, and the odds are in favor of alien life forms..
harp03n 3 years ago
I agree the universe is on an enormous scale - just that we will never be able to visit it. The speed of light effectively constrains us to our galaxy (and within our local area).
Star Trek's warp drive and Contact's wormhole subway system are fun, but the reality is that they won't work (the WH subway system is a slim possibility).
There may be aliens. Read CS Lewis's "Out of the Silent Planet" which deals with the supposal of life beyond earth and God's response in a very unique manner.
3superdogs 3 years ago
Another consideration is if there is Intelligent life in our galaxy, why have we not made contact? Leaving SETI behind, Sci American a few years back proposed that if an alien civ developed STL space travel and colonized the next star every 500 years (and the colony system did the same, et al)then the entire galaxy would be colonized in 5M years - a drop in the bucket relative to our time on earth. Our planet is just too nice a place to pass up... (nice planet, we'll take it!)
3superdogs 3 years ago
5.000.000 years / 500 years per star = 10.000 stars? i think there are a more stars.. but you might be talking about just our solar system or galaxy..
i sincerely hope that people stop fighter stupid wars and focus on exploring the universe.. we really need a neocon situation where the entire earth's population is working together to achieve something (like putting a man on the moon.. you should watch the documentary: (in the) shadow of the moon.
harp03n 3 years ago
It goes up by powers of two every 500 yrs.
Haven't watched that one, but we did watch the HBO series.. I even watched Neil Armstrong walk on the moon - live! I'll let you draw your own conclusion on that one;)
Space exploration is cool, but expensive
I used to be an atheist but concerted ultimately because of the human condition. When the sun is shining in your face and the wind is at your back it is easy to say there is no need for God. But it never lasts..
3superdogs 3 years ago
You are missing a couple of factors in your monkey analogy..
The number of monkeys are not a bunch, but infinate, so the monkey would not die before they finished the job, because it would happen instantly, some monkey, somewhere in the room would get it on the first try..
I would suggest reading "Philosophy and science for dummies who need to incorporate God and/or a Creator into everything 101"
mrainc 3 years ago 2
what are you talking about? HOW IS THERE ANY INFINITE AMOUNT OF MONKEYS?
3superdogs 3 years ago
what are the odds..
i went to bed last night at 23:47, i woke up this morning at 09:07.. i took a shower which lasted 10 minutes, not 11 or 9, but 10..
after that i used a red towel..
what are the odds? please calculate them for me!
you invoke odds for something that happened.. if it didnt happen we would be here..
i dont see the problem with the anthropic principle.. the world is how it is, because if it would, we wouldnt be here to ask that question...
simple and clear..
harp03n 3 years ago