One seems embarassed the other seems younger and enthusiastic as a privileged. Funny what music can carry as duets ! They love you or you're horrible !
@meredith218461 You know, it's funny you should say that. According to my copy of this sonata, Gould is not playing much of the articulation the way it was written. (Not so much in this movement, though. Mostly in 2nd and some in 1st) So if you were a narrow minded piano examiner, you'd take off marks because he didn't do exactly what was written. For everyone else, who cares? He does what he wants and it works well.
@EtoGmajor Yes I can quite imagine Gould not being overly deferential towards the score and some academics throwing their arms up in horror. What I find compelling about Gould and indeed this duo ( One should'nt overlook Roses outstanding contribution) is the striking individuality of the playing.
Beethoven was a genius - one of the greatest at any creative craft has to be a genius by definition. Creativing can be trained and developed, but the most creative are geniuses simply because they have shown abilities that no one else can do or think to do. Without a doubt, Gould was another genius since he brought something completely new to the keyboard - and no one has ever matched that type of profound in Bach since that point. And this performance is outstanding.
I don't think one could proclaim another as being of genius or non genius. Some may say beethoven was a fubling idiot, while others say a towering giant. I think genius is purly a thing of the mind, and insignificant to the whole of what what should stand for.
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Gould's playing is controversial, yes. But you cannot ignore his own formulation of a uniqueness in his playing, a crisp, subtle, and intelligent tone that is rarely heard outside Baroque music.
the ability to do and the ability are two different things, though. goethe was obviously a genius, and it's rediculous to say that genius doesn't exist amoung literiture as genius is the ability to sense the truth, and truth can be expressed in more ways than through music. I know a couple of people who have some genius - gould's was a very powerful genius, though
'All art aspires to the position of music' :-) Poe quoted that in an essay of his. forgot who originally said it, though.
Certainly, you're right about the nobility of music. the most important thing is truth. i'm just glad we have so many mediums through which we can depict the truth: music, literiture, philosophy, and so on
Music is a Universal Language, in that everyone can understand it - on some level. of course there are Asian vocal techniques that sound completely alien to western ears (quarter-steps, etc), but everyone has a favorite song. Everyone has a favorite band. Not everyone can read, not everyone can appreciate physical art; everyone can appreciate music (with little or no training).
@principalbass : Absolutely not. I can take a piece of beethoven to remote China. Find someone who doesn't know a word of english, and play it for them. They hear it as I do. They understand it and perceive it as I do. I could take my instrument and play it for a Russian, and communicate to their soul. What other medium has that ability??
I don't deny Gould brilliance or a great talent. One can recognize that in him without having it oneself. He made excellent use of his talents.
But a genius is something extremely rare in the world. I think you underestimate what that sacred title means. Genius is something uniquely creative in the highest sense, in touch with all the varieties & depths of nature. I mentioned Goethe. But even if I had mentioned Shakespeare people like you still wouldn't shut up.
"genuis" requires creation. Gould may be incredibly talented, but that's different from genuis (an over used word in this society). munky, I highly doubt you know people with genuis, again, it is over-used. Mozart was a musical genuis: the pure affinity for music, living and breathing it and plucking it out of thin air to write down in a constant stream. While one does not have to quite measure up to Mozart to be genuis, one does have to come rather close. Talent at an instument doesn't count.
I don't understand this arbitrary distinction. a person who creates can be a genius, yet one who doesn't can not? surely genius is somthing that a person is, or has, not what a person does. if this is true then what counts as creation? i don't understand how performing and playing music doesn't count as creating somthing anyway. take your instance of mozart. are you saying that when he played his piano, his genius stopped showing?
You know....I deeply, DEEPLY regret having initiated all these comments by posting that I was impressed by Gould's having memorized all three movements the night before the filming.
I wish I had kept my thoughts to myself, as it wasn't my intention to try and force anyone to feel as I do (which seems to be the general consensus). Amazing to me how anything so innocuous could be misinterpreted and take on a virtual life of its own.
Glenn Gould, regardless of his shortcomings, was a far more accomplished pianist than I will ever be. With everyone's permission, I will continue to be impressed with his abilities. Was he comparable to Mozart, Bach or Beethoven? No, no and no! I never said or even implied that he was. To be frank, I'm not even remotely a fan of Gould...I'm just pleased with his performance of this particular movement of the sonata.
What's so amazing about that story? If Gould were already familiar with the piece, it would not be difficult to memorize it. If a piano knows a piece well, he or she only really uses the music as a sort of reminder of what to play next, they don't read every single note.
I love this movement. But I think the piano part is better written than cello part. So it is kind of more like a piano sonata with cello accompaniment. (A good choice for Gould, hehe!)
it was originally a piano sonata...but the most people thought the cello seemed to have all the major parts so they changed the name. at least thats what i read...
There is an anecdote about Beethoven, who was a great improviser. Once, after he improvised something particularly nice, someone came up to him and said "Ah! What a pity that something so beautiful is gone forever!" And Beethoven said: "What? Nonsense!" - and sat down and played it again.
What is so amazing is the story behind this incredible recording (Canadian, circa 1961, if memory serves).
Leonard Rose had this piece memorized from previous experience, but Glenn Gould did not. The production crew, naturally, didn't want the difficulty of having to film Rose's 'cello performance around a music stand
And then there was Bach, who improvised the whole of the Musical Offering for Frederick the Great and then went home and wrote it all out. Or Mozart, who as a child would hear someone's symphony at a concert and then write it out, for practice. Now those are amazing feats of memory.
I highly doubt those stories. The Mozart story is absurd, though the Bach one is plausible, though he may have gotten ideas from his improvisation and then work them out that night.
There are some remarkable stories in art history; Kafka writing the most seminal short story of modern literature in one night, but keep in mind: the story is a few pages long.
These people aren't gods. They're humans with astounding talent.
I suspect it's a matter of "chunking". A normal person can read a few words at a glance, and with training, a whole line - abilities that must seem amazing to a beginner who reads letter-by-letter. A composition has a logical structure, and it doesn't seem implausible to me that someone with great talent, training and memory can absorb the whole thing as a unit, almost regardless of length.
To be honest I almost believe the mozart story about the mass. also part of the story is that he returned to it because he made a few mistakes. i think it's fairly beieveable
Does anyone happen to know what's up with Rose's bow hand? He seems to suspend his third finger above the bow often, and sometimes does the same thing with his pinky. I've never seen that before, and I'm not really familiar with Rose technique. Wouldn't that cause tension?
Really great recording, though. I love watching Gould play. His fingers are so agile.
I recall a cello teacher, perhaps it was David Hardy, who would demonstrate that the last couple fingers aren't doing much of anything by lifting them off the bow. I have seen Violinists who were known to do that too.
How did you get it? Could you post the other two movements if they are on there?
I'm currently working on this piece and have been looking for a version played by Rose. If you had the first or second movement as well, I would be forever grateful.
Simply amazing!!!Both of them are great!!!Partner work at its best!!!
nicklatinXXX 2 months ago
Gould and Rose made this piece sound like orchestra. Their dimensional sounds and textures are great!
violinlife 5 months ago
One seems embarassed the other seems younger and enthusiastic as a privileged. Funny what music can carry as duets ! They love you or you're horrible !
Sylvain894 10 months ago
One seems embarassed the other seems younger and enthusiastic as a privileged. Funny what music can carry as duets !
Sylvain894 10 months ago
For any cello student watching this, pay close attention to Leonard Rose's bow arm. Greatest!!!
kwen092185 10 months ago
As sublime as classical music gets...Gould is an absolute master , and Rose is no slacker....what an incredible piece of work!!
diogenesquest 1 year ago
Riveting, I'm particularly bowled over by Goulds amazing articulation.
meredith218461 1 year ago
@meredith218461 You know, it's funny you should say that. According to my copy of this sonata, Gould is not playing much of the articulation the way it was written. (Not so much in this movement, though. Mostly in 2nd and some in 1st) So if you were a narrow minded piano examiner, you'd take off marks because he didn't do exactly what was written. For everyone else, who cares? He does what he wants and it works well.
EtoGmajor 1 year ago
@EtoGmajor Yes I can quite imagine Gould not being overly deferential towards the score and some academics throwing their arms up in horror. What I find compelling about Gould and indeed this duo ( One should'nt overlook Roses outstanding contribution) is the striking individuality of the playing.
meredith218461 1 year ago
El placer que produce esta música es realmente único.
diapas3 1 year ago
gould is such a super sleuth
Bolinas1971 1 year ago
this is my favourite classical piece. and yes i do the know the differences between baroque, classical and romantic
FlipsHamilton 1 year ago
Beethoven was a genius - one of the greatest at any creative craft has to be a genius by definition. Creativing can be trained and developed, but the most creative are geniuses simply because they have shown abilities that no one else can do or think to do. Without a doubt, Gould was another genius since he brought something completely new to the keyboard - and no one has ever matched that type of profound in Bach since that point. And this performance is outstanding.
PIanoReview 2 years ago 4
What a sublime performance, I can not stop listening to it.
Thanks a lot for posting this great music and video.
Jamesgs007 2 years ago
I don't think one could proclaim another as being of genius or non genius. Some may say beethoven was a fubling idiot, while others say a towering giant. I think genius is purly a thing of the mind, and insignificant to the whole of what what should stand for.
It's love and the deepest atonement to friendship humanly possible!
megagnathos 2 years ago
yup confirmed once again... Beethoven was a musical genius...
Temptezt 2 years ago
High sense of music
enriqueiglesias2007 2 years ago
Gould's playing is controversial, yes. But you cannot ignore his own formulation of a uniqueness in his playing, a crisp, subtle, and intelligent tone that is rarely heard outside Baroque music.
jaykay0o0 3 years ago 12
WOW OH WOW!................In exselsi Dei..GAP
gap8350aol 3 years ago
the ability to do and the ability are two different things, though. goethe was obviously a genius, and it's rediculous to say that genius doesn't exist amoung literiture as genius is the ability to sense the truth, and truth can be expressed in more ways than through music. I know a couple of people who have some genius - gould's was a very powerful genius, though
munkybrain 3 years ago
Not my intention to suggest that genius doesn't exist in lit. Of course it does. But it also exist in science, and math, and of course - Music.
waltts 3 years ago
BUT - when it comes to expression - MUSIC has it my friend! Because the same chord penetrates language barriers with the same meaning.
It is a universal language.
perhaps divine.
waltts 3 years ago
'All art aspires to the position of music' :-) Poe quoted that in an essay of his. forgot who originally said it, though.
Certainly, you're right about the nobility of music. the most important thing is truth. i'm just glad we have so many mediums through which we can depict the truth: music, literiture, philosophy, and so on
munkybrain 3 years ago
Not if there's no context to surround that chord. Music is only a "universal language" inasfar as the context in which it is understood.
principalbass 2 years ago
Music is a Universal Language, in that everyone can understand it - on some level. of course there are Asian vocal techniques that sound completely alien to western ears (quarter-steps, etc), but everyone has a favorite song. Everyone has a favorite band. Not everyone can read, not everyone can appreciate physical art; everyone can appreciate music (with little or no training).
waltts 2 years ago 4
@principalbass : Absolutely not. I can take a piece of beethoven to remote China. Find someone who doesn't know a word of english, and play it for them. They hear it as I do. They understand it and perceive it as I do. I could take my instrument and play it for a Russian, and communicate to their soul. What other medium has that ability??
waltts 1 year ago
I don't deny Gould brilliance or a great talent. One can recognize that in him without having it oneself. He made excellent use of his talents.
But a genius is something extremely rare in the world. I think you underestimate what that sacred title means. Genius is something uniquely creative in the highest sense, in touch with all the varieties & depths of nature. I mentioned Goethe. But even if I had mentioned Shakespeare people like you still wouldn't shut up.
rabmunch 3 years ago
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waltts 3 years ago
"genuis" requires creation. Gould may be incredibly talented, but that's different from genuis (an over used word in this society). munky, I highly doubt you know people with genuis, again, it is over-used. Mozart was a musical genuis: the pure affinity for music, living and breathing it and plucking it out of thin air to write down in a constant stream. While one does not have to quite measure up to Mozart to be genuis, one does have to come rather close. Talent at an instument doesn't count.
Ezmarque 3 years ago
I don't understand this arbitrary distinction. a person who creates can be a genius, yet one who doesn't can not? surely genius is somthing that a person is, or has, not what a person does. if this is true then what counts as creation? i don't understand how performing and playing music doesn't count as creating somthing anyway. take your instance of mozart. are you saying that when he played his piano, his genius stopped showing?
munkybrain 2 years ago
Extremely ignorant comment. If you don't have the slightest clue as to what goes into playing music, you shouldn't make comments like that.
XavierMac 2 years ago
In reference to performance and genius.
XavierMac 2 years ago
clearly genius is an even more misunderstood word...
musicalmiller 1 year ago
grand performance...spectacular moments of high culture of the western civilisatition. Extremeably honourable!
markformusic 3 years ago 9
Haha notice how messed up Gould's hair is compared to the first movement.
TheHumannBee 3 years ago
crazy but awesome and great!
kajohada 3 years ago
oh my! the third is just as beautiful as the first 2! lovely, pure perfection!
romymistique 3 years ago 3
inspiring and deep beginning... great gould in this adagio
mandrileante 3 years ago
01:46 to 08:10..Amazingly put.pianist is just beethovenically crazy
metalist0 4 years ago
You know....I deeply, DEEPLY regret having initiated all these comments by posting that I was impressed by Gould's having memorized all three movements the night before the filming.
I wish I had kept my thoughts to myself, as it wasn't my intention to try and force anyone to feel as I do (which seems to be the general consensus). Amazing to me how anything so innocuous could be misinterpreted and take on a virtual life of its own.
Morpheus1910 4 years ago
at least you reconsidered. this is pure mastering of the piano anyway
romymistique 3 years ago
(Cont)
Glenn Gould, regardless of his shortcomings, was a far more accomplished pianist than I will ever be. With everyone's permission, I will continue to be impressed with his abilities. Was he comparable to Mozart, Bach or Beethoven? No, no and no! I never said or even implied that he was. To be frank, I'm not even remotely a fan of Gould...I'm just pleased with his performance of this particular movement of the sonata.
Morpheus1910 4 years ago
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Gould is one of the best pianists of the 20th century - what are you efing talking about?????
waltts 3 years ago
What's so amazing about that story? If Gould were already familiar with the piece, it would not be difficult to memorize it. If a piano knows a piece well, he or she only really uses the music as a sort of reminder of what to play next, they don't read every single note.
bigmelt 4 years ago
Look at his bowing!I want to be best cellist like him!<3He is Ma Idol!<3
Janet0828 4 years ago
thats random he's my 'grand' teacher too.
JJohnJJames 4 years ago
the pianist speaks those tabs written by beethoven,he moves his mouth as if uttering them. as if reciting a poem.
awesome.
metalist0 4 years ago
I love this movement. But I think the piano part is better written than cello part. So it is kind of more like a piano sonata with cello accompaniment. (A good choice for Gould, hehe!)
Nodame2006 4 years ago
I like the cello part ............(sigh)
Depatoshita 4 years ago
it was originally a piano sonata...but the most people thought the cello seemed to have all the major parts so they changed the name. at least thats what i read...
timho 4 years ago
He is my Grand teacher!<3My teacher told me he was a genius
Janet0828 4 years ago
Leonard Rose is one of my greatest idols. What a shame he passed way too early.
honeybunny1284 4 years ago 5
There is an anecdote about Beethoven, who was a great improviser. Once, after he improvised something particularly nice, someone came up to him and said "Ah! What a pity that something so beautiful is gone forever!" And Beethoven said: "What? Nonsense!" - and sat down and played it again.
gspaulsson 4 years ago 6
thanks for this facinating anecdote!
great artists, great minds, and great cabilities
looking forward to see more "inside stories" from you :P
ghostpianist 4 years ago
Leonard Rose is my grand-teacher! :-)
DisgruntledPancake69 4 years ago
Piano6861,
What is so amazing is the story behind this incredible recording (Canadian, circa 1961, if memory serves).
Leonard Rose had this piece memorized from previous experience, but Glenn Gould did not. The production crew, naturally, didn't want the difficulty of having to film Rose's 'cello performance around a music stand
Morpheus1910 4 years ago
And then there was Bach, who improvised the whole of the Musical Offering for Frederick the Great and then went home and wrote it all out. Or Mozart, who as a child would hear someone's symphony at a concert and then write it out, for practice. Now those are amazing feats of memory.
gspaulsson 4 years ago
As I recall, Mozart allegedly copied out a mass.
I highly doubt those stories. The Mozart story is absurd, though the Bach one is plausible, though he may have gotten ideas from his improvisation and then work them out that night.
There are some remarkable stories in art history; Kafka writing the most seminal short story of modern literature in one night, but keep in mind: the story is a few pages long.
These people aren't gods. They're humans with astounding talent.
sonata1992 4 years ago
I suspect it's a matter of "chunking". A normal person can read a few words at a glance, and with training, a whole line - abilities that must seem amazing to a beginner who reads letter-by-letter. A composition has a logical structure, and it doesn't seem implausible to me that someone with great talent, training and memory can absorb the whole thing as a unit, almost regardless of length.
gspaulsson 4 years ago
No the MOzart story sint abusrd you fool.
sullaofroma 4 years ago
To be honest I almost believe the mozart story about the mass. also part of the story is that he returned to it because he made a few mistakes. i think it's fairly beieveable
munkybrain 3 years ago
One of the most beautiful moments of this piece is at 7:30.. truly amazing.
jmt768 4 years ago
I beg you to add the 1st movement
nialls00 4 years ago
Impeccable ensemble and artistry! Notice they are both performing from memory. I believe this contributes to their level of finesse.
piano6861 4 years ago
Brillant!
piano6861 4 years ago
Does anyone happen to know what's up with Rose's bow hand? He seems to suspend his third finger above the bow often, and sometimes does the same thing with his pinky. I've never seen that before, and I'm not really familiar with Rose technique. Wouldn't that cause tension?
Really great recording, though. I love watching Gould play. His fingers are so agile.
DancingGaladriel 4 years ago
I recall a cello teacher, perhaps it was David Hardy, who would demonstrate that the last couple fingers aren't doing much of anything by lifting them off the bow. I have seen Violinists who were known to do that too.
nukedaddy7778 4 years ago
My favourite video on Youtube. This unexpected partnership just works on every level.
celloguy 4 years ago
Bravo. Very nice to see. Thanks for posting.
dleifyamjr 4 years ago
Gould is only 28... It makes one think.. Is genius a work in process or a gift ?...
aurelienpk 4 years ago
I think in Gould's case, it's a gift.
ocularfusion 4 years ago
Well, Gould was a genius as well, no doubt about it.
weikko79 4 years ago
I wish there were more videos of Leonard Rose
mrawesome425 4 years ago 2
Astounding! Can you add the other movements?
salmonroll 4 years ago
woow this is great..! love rose!
Vipi123 4 years ago
I love the way they shape this as a true dialogue between the instruments.
hdetroy 4 years ago
oops. i just saw your post about where this is from. thanks.
pachmann 5 years ago
thank you so much!
where is this from? is it available for the whole sonata?
pachmann 5 years ago
Thank you very much for putting this on youtube. I love the playing.
cattleman6420012000 5 years ago
omfg this is amazing. Purely stunning. Astounding performance. Both technique and emotion are applied beautifully.
FlyMyDarling 5 years ago
Rose is a god of cello playing.
Braynstorm 5 years ago
Amazing! All for memory. It makes a big difference. One of the great collaberations.
fhesi3 5 years ago
a ROSE is a ROSE is a ROSE!! great cello playing!!
AlamoCityCello 5 years ago
no hedgehogsfriend, but i'm gonna get them, thanks for advice :) i suggest you his "la valse" transcription, by ravel
fravaglio 5 years ago
jesus wept that was great!
Where do you get these rare black and white recordings of Gould? Are they available on DVD by any chance? probably not i fear...
Norbeone 5 years ago
This video is from The Glenn Gould Collection: VOLUME 8 - Interweaving Voices (Sony SHV 48412) VHS; NTSC
inwit 5 years ago
How did you get it? Could you post the other two movements if they are on there?
I'm currently working on this piece and have been looking for a version played by Rose. If you had the first or second movement as well, I would be forever grateful.
Braynstorm 5 years ago
I didn't realize mythical characters had the ability to weep.
Celloics 5 years ago
i agree with you on the mythical part. just a funny phrase :)
Norbeone 5 years ago
And for those who think he could! :) Do you know his recording of Brahms' Intermezzi? Gorgeous!
hedgehogsfriend 5 years ago
that's for people who say that gould could not play in a romantic way :)
fravaglio 5 years ago
thank you for this rare recording
ara712000 5 years ago
the pianist its very emotive to play,and the cellist so elegant.
fred512 5 years ago