Chosun Ninja, Kuji and Bakemonojutsu - The Truth

[alexcrixus]

Greg Park is a fraud, and a mentally ill person who just fantasizing being a ninja day N night

[hotpopcorncake]

Greg response once again was ignorance/stupidity and lying once again..

[Forgedinsuffering]

i want a heretic shirt just like that!!!!

[TSOAS2008]

@Forgedinsuffering Thank you, another T-Shirt comment! :)

[kpnd3]

Good video.

[Chriswitahawk]

I'm just glad you guys are creeping greg parks on the internet. god only knows what trouble you asshats would get into if you weren't allowed to get your craziness out on the internet.

[kamiyamashinobisha]

Funny stuff... lots of talk. Interesting but not really note worthy.

[TSOAS2008]

@kamiyamashinobisha how so? 

[kamiyamashinobisha]

@TSOAS2008 it's just dull. The debate gets pretty old.. never the less some good points.

[TSOAS2008]

@kamiyamashinobisha i think it only gets dull becuase Greg keep bringing strange things up. Also, i thought people would be interested about actual quotes from the Bansenshukai?

[Calimantalkin]

I would probably argue if I could make out what you are trying to say.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@HavahdYahdHahrry I don't see him as talking down to anyone. He is discussing an issue that he probably knows more about than anyone in this discussion. He is trying to bring about understanding of these topics so that people don't get the wrong idea about them. That's all. You only think he is bad mouthing because his point of view opposes Greg's. "Oh no, the world is coming to an end! Someone disagrees with Master Park! Aaaaahhhhh!"

[Hakiblack]

Just as a matter of interest, following what Steve is saying about Kuji Kiri, dose it then follow that the Kuji books of Francois Lepine are wrong and are not going to work?

[TSOAS2008]

@Hakiblack his books seem to have alot of similarities to Otakes work, also you can not say who is wrong or correct on actual techique, if they have a lineage that can be traced back then many are ok. But it must trace backwards.

[Hakiblack]

@TSOAS2008 Sorry bad phrasing. What I meant was, that if you're not initiated into a Tantric tradition, then as Steve said, you don't get the correct mudra sequence. So it's probably unlikely that a real master would put it in a book for all to see? It would be good if Steve could look at this, because as far as I know Hatsumi considers it dangerous to teach Kuji to low grades (opening doors that can't be closed again). Are following Lepine's instruction on Kuji dangerous? Thanks.

[SweetgrassScout]

@Hakiblack Cannot speak for non-Buddhist "magic", but when dealing with Buddhist mantra and mudra-- you literally must have the intiation to get the result.. its like having the wiring but lacking the electricity. You need the tantra and the empowerment--otherwise you are not a proper vessel and don't have the blessing. Also, if you screw around with esoteric things, you may attract the attention of worldy dharma protectors--- which may be problematic for some people.

[SweetgrassScout]

@Hakiblack However, and I stress this --- the thing that happens 99.9% of the time when someone without intitiation tries mudra/mantra is NOTHING happens. If some kid picks up a book and tries the mudra and mantra-- nothing happens. THis is why so many people think that mantra/mudra is for just "training your mind" or "hypnotizing yourself"--- because they never had anything happen when they did it.. and this was because they lacked the empowerment and initiation.

[Hakiblack]

@SweetgrassScout To what degree would Kundalini have an effect and is there a relationship between opening the Kundalini safely and empowering Kuji. And how similar is your initiation to say Reiki initiations (ie as in someone else energetically modifying you.)

[SweetgrassScout]

@Hakiblack In Buddhism, we have something more advanced than Kundalini-- it is called Tummo. Feel free to investigate it yourself, but I am oath-bound to not discuss it. Sorry. Good luck with your own investigation though.

[Forgedinsuffering]

@SweetgrassScout Isnt tummo(feirce woman) buddhist kundalini yoga?please correct me if I have a false veiw but the late lama yeshe said flat out that it was and he taught from lama Je Tsonghapa's book of three inspirations which elucidates this practice in detail. please elabarate on this if it does not break your vows. I have been reaserching this for around five years from texts written by the lamas.Fascinating groupe of techings and philosophy.

[SweetgrassScout]

@Forgedinsuffering Just writing some stuff in a book like this is, again, just reference. Nobody is actually TEACHING in their books. There is a different between Academic reference and actual teaching. Remember, Tummo practice -- real Tummo practice-- requires intiation, empowerment, intense retreat, etc.etc. So much stuff is LEFT OUT of the book. So no : Lama Yeshe's book is just reference. Nobody can logically claim to practice Tummo from that book---that would be ridiculous.

[Forgedinsuffering]

@SweetgrassScout ok.by the way I didnt claim to practice tummo just relating what I have read. its also been stated else where that it is "Buddhist kundalini yoga".I am not trying to start a flame war, just trying to get the facts straight so my question was not if someone could practice it without transmission but.if you could elabarate on the fact that it is kundalini yoga.(stated by those who do have initiation)

[SweetgrassScout]

@Forgedinsuffering I am sorry, my comment about "practice from a book" was not meant towards you. It was meant in general. Sorry that was confusing. No flame war planned at all-- so no worries !

[SweetgrassScout]

@Forgedinsuffering As far as Tummo goes : Again, I myself have my own levels of commitment and, as such, I will not discuss Tummo. Different monks of different traditions may have various levels of what they may have been given permission to discuss (as REFERENCE), but my own rules are very straightforward. My lips are sealed on this topic. Sorry. However, keep looking through authentic and reliable Tibetan buddhist referenece books for info and good luck !

[Forgedinsuffering]

@SweetgrassScout thanks,I respect that you have an oath to keep.I understand fully and experientially why these type of things are not public knowlage and I hope that more people can understand that also.

[SweetgrassScout]

@Hakiblack To make clear the difference between "attracting the attention of wordly protectors" and Greg Parks "evil portals" : Worldy protectors are oath-bound guardians which watch over people who maliciously misuse, abuse, and assault the teachings. However, this refers to those who are initiated, etc. So again, non-buddhist just end up with nothing. Again-- a non-initiate is just making noise and fiddling with their fingers--- the "rules are different" for an initiate.

[SweetgrassScout]

@SweetgrassScout and by "watch over" I mean "put foot to ass" .. haha But again, this is in regards to initiated buddhist--- not tirthikas (non-buddhist).

[Hakiblack]

@SweetgrassScout Nice one I get it. Kuji is not to be dabbled with, you need to be an initiate. To be honest I find it hard to watch Greg Park, It's like watching a bad cartoon, totally devoid of any reality. And fundementalists are fundementalist because they're afraid of, and don't understand the universe they live in. You guys clearly do. You're right to correct him, he has impressionable kids watching.

[hollowbushido]

/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ

:52

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido bad link

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 Yeah, I don't know how to link anything haha. Very new to youtube as strange as that sounds.

[ChosunGanja]

@hollowbushido This video has nothing to do with Peace & Love, or Hatred for that matter. It has to do with bringing about understanding about actual historical usages of Kujikiri and Bakemonojutsu. Why is it every follower of Greg Park automatically assumes that because someone disagrees with Greg, that they're a "Hater". There is a big difference between disagreement and hatred!

[hollowbushido]

@ChosunGanja I'm just a subscriber. I don't think anyone cares anymore really. Truth speaks for itself without a smear campaign. Its not the disagreement that is a problem. It is how annoying and blown out of proportion it has become. This is a "hater"... A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido Antony brought this topic up on Youtube long before Greg did. If you wrote an article in a paper and then someone else wrote an article the next day about the same thing, only twisted your words around and changed them into something completely different, would you not want to set the record straight? That is all that Antony and Steven are doing here. Greg has created this idea that everyone that disagrees with him is a hater, not us!

[hollowbushido]

@ExposeChosunNinja Your implying that he modified Anthony's work in your first reply. I don't see how he is censoring information. I don't think Greg created that idea as I created it to be funny recently. But from an outsider like myself, that is exactly what it looks like. He seems nice, that's about it. The fact is that he could be a fake Christian as there are many but that doesn't even matter. Don't assume you know what a bunch of people think including myself to get your point across.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido If he's telling you he's a Christian, but he's not, then he would be lying to you and everyone about something. If he is willing to lie about one thing, he is capable of lying about anything. How is it that this does not matter just because he seems nice? When did falsehoods become trivial things in this world?

[hollowbushido]

@ExposeChosunNinja This is getting ridiculous. You said that his "followers" think that because he is a Christian that he is all truthful and good, (how would you know?) and I responded that I just think he seems nice. Had nothing to do with whether or not he is capable of lying. There has to be another reason for such an effort of this level to be in place to expose one person on youtube. If you aren't a researcher, you should be using your energy for something more useful.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido Protecting people from criminals is what I do. It's my Job, so in my mind protecting people from online frauds by educating them, is doing something very useful. You are welcome to think what you want about Greg, and if you want to believe what he says, I can't stop you. I can however try to prevent others from getting sucked into his Cult following and getting hurt. I am sorry if that offends you, but I'm not here to be everyone's friend!

[hollowbushido]

@ExposeChosunNinja Again you are responding with your own misconceptions. If it was as big of a deal as you say it is, you would have used a different approach. You failed to explain how he is censoring information or how exactly he has a cult following. The researchers here just want the record accurate. Your protecting them emotionally if he releases inaccurate information? Or should he improve his disclaimer? Something else is up.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido First of all I do not believe there are any misconceptions here. I base my opinion on a lot of years dealing with people who lie habitually. I know how to pick them out of a crowd. Secondly, I have already told you how he is censoring. If you watch his videos with open eyes and ears, you will see it. Thirdly, I am not protecting Antony and his team. They don't need my protection. They are not the viewers I'm worried about. I simply support them because I agree with them "Mostly".

[hollowbushido]

@ExposeChosunNinja I don't even watch his videos but, hey, it was a fun debate. I meant his followers protection, not Anthony and Co. Anyway, this was great but I'm done. :)

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@barbarydoll Lol! I guess that makes sense.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido Ever notice that Greg is the only one here dealing in absolutes. Antony has stated before that he is open to the possibility that his findings are incorrect. He just wants someone to prove him wrong. Greg does not want anyone to prove him wrong, or right. He just wants people to believe him irregardless. You will also notice that any time he presents "Expert" evidence, he only chooses sources that agree with his point of view, and does not present them all.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hollowbushido Censoring information like that should be throwing up red flags for you people, but you all think that because he wears a cross around his neck and claims to be a devout Christian, that he must be all truthful and good! No one is all good. We are all human beings regardless of our beliefs, and as such are imperfect and flawed. Greg is no different. Greg may be a Christian, but that certainly does not make him a non sinner by any stretch.

[wizardaim]

Greg is never interested in hearing other people thoughs, not even when they are in the persons area of expertice and not his! Greg Park is delusional, simple as that. End of story!

[SteffenReichel]

Antony... volume is again very bad... even on youtube the room has to be completely silent and one needs carefully to listen.... s there any possibility to get such vidoes a little bit louder?

[TSOAS2008]

@SteffenReichel is the volume my problem this time or steven?

[SteffenReichel]

@TSOAS2008 Of steven is this time very good to understand, but in the beginning of the video, your voice is so... it's like the distance betwen the camera and you is miles, not a few meters... ;o)

Guess, I am older... so my ability to hear get's more and more... you understand ;o)

[TSOAS2008]

@SteffenReichel i think it is my mic, my cam mike is rubbish, i was shouting at it!

[SteffenReichel]

@TSOAS2008 It's okay, don't worry.. it's only a little disturbing in the beginning, but the serious information is okay

[hotpopcorncake]

Ok,Greg said ninjutsu it's a martial art..but you saying it'snot, but in Wikipedia say it's martial art this kinda of confuse's a person for example a noob that don't know nothing about The actual history.

is there vids/books about Hatsumi explaining the history of samurai and ninjitsu like dating back to farmer and stuff?

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@hotpopcorncake I guess it really depends on what your own definition of what a Martial Art is. I know for example that Spying, Infiltration, and subterfuge are, and were used in warfare throughout history. If you look at it from that perspective, then Ninjutsu was a Martial Art. However, if you feel that Martial Arts only imply the combative tactics and use of weapons etc, then one could say that Ninjutsu was not a Martial Art.

[KRiderMan1248]

Why is anyone taking Greg Park Seriously? The guy has been shown to be liar time and time again. All he does on youtube, is make things up to make money. Simple as that.

[TSOAS2008]

@KRiderMan1248 No but people follow him, so its good to show the other side of wehat he is saying. 

[KRiderMan1248]

@TSOAS2008 Which tends to be that "Ninja came from Korea" which many people have proven to be a lie. And when ever people confront him or ask to many question about it he shuts them out by throwing the race card. There are dozens of videos on youtube itself showing what i just said.

[elvenarmory]

@TSOAS2008 Agreed, though it will prove an arduous task.

[thewaffleman96]

Isn't the ghost technique what Tateoka Doshun used in the siege of sawayama?

[TSOAS2008]

@thewaffleman96 i think thats the one, but only off the tiop of my head!

[LupoMannaro666]

Hello.I own a copy of Mr.Risuke Otake's Katori Shinto Ryu Book(I Know this has nothing to do with the Bansenshukai).In it he has the 9 Kuji-In Mudra,as well as the Mantra that accompany each Mudra,and various other information,such as the exact deity that each Mudra/Mantra sequence would be representing?and what each Kanji(eg.Dragon protects those who are working/travelling on water and don't want to drown)means etc.I assume this must be basic,comman knowledge in order for him show it?Thank You.

[TSOAS2008]

@LupoMannaro666 thats the book i was checking! Wow, amazing, yes, if i do another video, i will put it up. Thank you

[SweetgrassScout]

@LupoMannaro666 1.) Otake is not a monk, and may or may not hold any vows. 2.) Simply showing pictures of mudras and explaining them alittle bit is not the same as TEACHING the sequence. it is the difference between REFERENCE and INSTRUCTION 3.) Yes, the reality is that most of this information is now very common knowledge. 4.) Otake's versions is, as said in the video, more of a "good luck charm" in the end (i.e. the "dont drown" for example).

[hollowbushido]

This was actually interesting. Nice job. So. You all just want Greg to say, "I was incorrect in how I used a word and lied to everyone." Would you all throw a party? Or, "Here are the names of the individuals I learned this from." To have a meeting of the minds? If you will feel better about yourselves in doing so, continue to "find the truth". You catch one butterfly and believe you understand the whole migration cycle. I think it will take A LOT more research to find what your looking for guys

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido no, the question is why does he use words that are only popular in ninjutsu but not the ones that are not known in the public, there are many skills next to ghost skill, where are they in his teachings, they always crop up when we say them and he gets them wrong.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 I don't know, however... *Why is that even of grave importance?* If you look at the Huangdi Neijing... to understand the real significance of this book, you need to understand Daoist code. These answers aren't a Google search away. Is is impossible that the books you are referring to were also written in code? I do think this is all very interesting, and am happy with how civilized this is. I've subscribed but not watched all of his videos, this just struck a chord.

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido im not sure what you mean google search, all info is coming from the Banseshukai, 1676. Real manual and the first and only time Bakemonojutsu is used. No code, no problems, all ok.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 Okay that's good to know. I meant to understand the Huangdi Neijing you need to understand Wu Xing, numerology, etc. But, my first question... "Why is any of this of grave importance?" Is the answer I would like to hear from you.

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido Why is it important? Not to be funny but is it a trick question? Why is anything important? Because i care, i am deeply interested in ninja, for me it is mega important to save their history. For Mrs Jones who lives on the corner, she does not care.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 I'm glad that you feel that way, and it is great to hear that you have this much passion. It just seems like there has to be an different motive for you. Is this guy having that big of an effect on ninja history just because he has some youtube popularity? How consistent could the terminology be throughout all ninja lineages? You are exposing the *accepted* record, not necessarily the truth.

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido mmm, that explaination never works, that means anyone can make anything up and say its just differant. How would you explain that there is no such thing and spirit channeling in any ninjutsu anywhere, and it is so out of context that its seems bizare and its the same word as a now famous skill. No, when all together it has to be a lie, plus its obvious it is wrong, it has nothing to do with ninjutsu.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 I'm not an expert, just think you have an unnecessary feud with him. For an author your English is oddly cryptic. Never works? It doesn't mean that ANYONE can make anything up, it just means that the information people in power WANT to go in the history books will be different from the real history. To the victor goes the spoils, History 101. Not having first hand experience of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You need to speak to more practitioners rather than rely on books.

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido if you say so, but never met a single person who does ninjutsu, ever.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 That is not a surprise given what you are doing with your profession. Fighting to save the history of people you have never met based on a few manuscripts is very noble and it makes a whole lot of sense to take it to youtube. Maybe if Greg decides to retire, you will be happy. For that, you are clearly a really nice guy. And the directness of your answers are superb. But, I'm just a random viewer without any credentials.

[TSOAS2008]

@hollowbushido I have met hundreds of Bujinkan, Genbukan etc, but no one who has ever done any real ninjutsu. Just martial arts they call ninjutsu.

[hollowbushido]

@TSOAS2008 I guess that Grandmaster Masaaki Hatsumi doesn't do ninjutsu either since a book says so. But good for you. The fact stands that this was all unnecessary. Un-nec-ess-ary. Ninjas can handle their own history. If what you were saying is such gospel, it would have carried itself. But smear campaigns aren't overkill or anything. Good news is, Greg must be having a big impact on ninja history for you to have went this far.

[wizardaim]

@hollowbushido Like when people read a very silly book with fairy tales, then put their faith in that book, which is written by people that lived thousands of years after the books characters existed.

[wizardaim]

@hollowbushido Greg! Go to bed.

[tayounorise]

Nice (*_*)

[otakujam4]

/watch?v=D6adOhlMZm8 response video specifically to Steven from Greg. Your next Antony, lol.

[TSOAS2008]

@otakujam4 watching it now!

[BlueJersey112]

The Heretic T-Shirt is pretty funny. The flashy gold lettering is a nice touch too! lol

But the truth is: You're far from a ninjutsu heretic Anthony.

Personally, I believe all of these neo-ninja schools are just con-artists that popped up to cash in on the big ninja hype that occured in the 70's and 80's.

[TSOAS2008]

@BlueJersey112 hi mate, thanks for the support and the T-shirt love

[Kungfumastertraining]

Greg Park can never show lineage proof of his wanna be ninja lineage. He lies about everything and makes up crap that comes out from his anus. He made some Kung Fu videos and said that he knows Kung Fu and he sounded so proud and made it sound like he knew the open spots of Kung Fu and weaknesses from his style of speech which has made me intolerable to take no more bullshit from him. I will train hard and when I'm ready I will send him an Official Challenge letter for that insult.

[LosBats]

This might be an off the cuff comment. I subscribe to both this channel, havethe publications and Greg's channels also, so i'd like to think that i can be unbiased. My question is regarding Buddhism, knowing that there has been conflicts in the past amongst the many sects in Japan would it stand to reason that there also could be many offshoot independant teachers not affiliated to any particular group and because of the violent natures of some of these groups didn't wish to be open about it.

[TSOAS2008]

@LosBats totally, however Bakemonojutsu is a word only found in Ninjutsu liriture, so the entire buddest debate is for nothing? Also, if you are talking of Kuji, then yes someone could have taught him somthing, but its not Japanese and it hase nothing to do with ninjas. :)

[LosBats]

@TSOAS2008 noted with thanks and hope your move went well, i recently moved myself, what a pain in the neck.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats Conflict over politics and ways of interpretation perhaps--- but not over what is actually written in the text. Schools can disagree about interpretation and politics, but they cannot fight over what is actually transmitted in the tantra/sutra. Simple fact is that mudra/mantra sequences are not allowed to be given out to non-buddhist. Also, showing a non-buddhist too much and then they get scared and denounce Buddhism is a violation of Bodhisattva vows as well.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats So, if such a group decided to teach Buddhist-only material to non-Buddhist, this is not a matter of going against other school's opinions, it would be going against the Dharma's own instructions. People have this idea that Buddhism differs from country to country, but this is false. School's customs and intepretations may vary, but the actual Dharma does not.

[LosBats]

@SweetgrassScout Hi, thanks for the reply. Understand your point but then wouldn't you say that the buddhist religion is itself intertwined with the culture. So then the interpretation or omission is at the mercy of the people in power and they can choose to violate those vows and justify it later, meaning the interpretation of the text is what is important. Those sohei weren't exactly above using extortion to meet their goals and i''m sure they were interpreting the text also.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats Yes and No. Yes : it because intwined with the culture. No : Culture does not excuse breakage of vows. The reality is this : Any monk that kills another human being, especially in an aggressive war setting, immediatly breaks their vows and is disrobed. Culturally speaking, the community may choose to continue to see them as a monk, but this is irrelevant to the actual Dharma. In actuality, the monk is defeated ('disrobed') the moment they kill the person. Simple as that.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats Otherwise, what is the point of the vow and of ordination? What is the point of vowing not to kill and then killing ? Buddha taught that the vow of non-killing is the gift a monk gives to the world.. the gift of peace and the gift of people not having to worry about the monk killing them. If monks kill-- then what is the point ? Therefore, if monks pick up arms and begin killing (especially in anger)... how can this be accepted ? It can not be.

[LosBats]

@SweetgrassScout I am then trying to wrap my brain around the feuds between temples, so what your saying is that monks can't kill at all or they can but then get disrobed. That would mean that they were recruiting constantly to refill the ranks for the next time there was a conflict and if that is the case then that would suggest that they were more than a little liberal with their interpretations or do those rules only apply to conflicts between temples?

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats Human beings make mistakes--- the Buddha taught about the dynamic of being "defeated" because some monks will inevitably be defeated. This is the age of Mappo (Decline of the Law)-- and as such, followers of the Sutrayana become less and less capable at following the Dharma. So, in a nutshell : Alot of these temples violated the Dharma.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats Is it thus possible that someone violated the Dharma and taught Greg -- yes, it is possible. Which is why I asked for his teacher's name and lineage. Greg failed to provide this details. However, regardless of the monks abilities ot follow rules or not, the actual teachings (techniques) would be the same (regardless if the monks broke vows or not). In that way, Greg's claims still do not match the actual teachings.

[SweetgrassScout]

@LosBats So, the only possible conclusions are 1.) Greg Lied abotu it all 2.) Greg was taught lies by corrupt monk 3.) Greg was taught some other non-buddhist black magic by a corrupt monk--- these are the only three possible outcomes based on Greg's own words.

[LosBats]

@SweetgrassScout ok understand where you stand on the matter, i asked questions to clarify a few things for myself regarding buddhism and you have done that, so thank you for your time i appreciate it.

[jmmurdy]

Dumb question lots of people go after chosun but if I understanding things hatsumi is also fake just like all of them????

[TSOAS2008]

@jmmurdy yes, he is.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

It has already started!

/watch?v=lHYtqwRxMuw&feature=f­eedu

His references though do not seem to support Greg's claims. Does he actually read this stuff or just skim over it, because his first link actually says the opposite of the info he states in his video.

[TSOAS2008]

@ExposeChosunNinja this is the strange thing, We said it was transformation - thats what the ghost did. Now he is saying it like its his information, we told him that!! Also, people seem to miss the major point - Bakemonojutsu is not a buddist term, nor ever has been. Its a ninja term and its in the Bansen - which throws off as a silly book, its the only place in history where it exists. So where did he get the name if not via ninja knowhow -

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@TSOAS2008 Greg seems to want to relate all Ninjutsu teachings to Buddhism and the Yamabushi etc, which of course is the wrong approach, but is seems very strange that he would even want to go down that path, given the fact that he claims to be a Christian, and a Ninja. Well if according to him, the Ninja were Buddhists and Yamabushi, and vice-verse, then there is no way that he could possibly be a Ninja and a Christian at the same time!

[TSOAS2008]

@ExposeChosunNinja yes, also, have you seen his new antony and steven video? He seems a little confused about what the argument is and where they seperate.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@TSOAS2008 To be truthful, I really thing Greg is losing it! He seems to make less and less sense as time goes on. I mean, how hard is it to understand that Bakemono Jutsu "Ghost Skill" is just a play on words that is based on old Japanese folk lore, and superstition. The people of that time were always making the Ninja out to be these supernatural beings and Demons because they did not understand how the Ninja accomplished the things that they did. They simply could think outside the box!

[TSOAS2008]

@ExposeChosunNinja yes to be honest, he seems a bit out of sorts, also, its much simpler then you are saying aswell. All of the skills in that section of the bansenshukai are named, one is even a man on the moon! Does he think ninjas went to the moon?

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@TSOAS2008 That's the thing. He either has no understanding of the unique characteristics of the Japanese language and cultural linkages to their language, or he does, and is just making this stuff up as another form of Christian propaganda mongering in order to boost the control he has over what his viewers expose themselves to. I think the latter is the case. He does not want his viewers to have independent thought. He just wants them to listen and believe him alone, and ignore all others.

[ElijahModnar]

@TSOAS2008 The shirt was funny. It kind of says "I'm a heretic for exposing the truth!". The gold print really makes it stand out as a statement. Personally I think it's fantastic to really get to the bottom of what true ninjutsu is. Recently it's been very distorted and made into something to profit from (ex. Mc Dojos).

[TSOAS2008]

@ElijahModnar thank you! comment number four! hahaha. I should ask for more of them!

[ElijahModnar]

You know something that was covered was the Kuji Kuri was basically the finger knitting was a form of concentration. Also it was formed from Buddhism as a form of meditation. So basically the Kuji Kuri was used to kind of a motivational tool to prepare the person for what they were about to do. Nothing magical. Just preparing the mind.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

I should let you know that I have been informed that ChosunNinja actually liked this video. This shows that he knows the truth, he is just playing games.

[otakujam4]

@ExposeChosunNinja ♦ Guess Greg has decided to make a response after all.

"Wait, you got to see the next set of videos. Antony brought in another person but he is very respectful to me. But after watching Antony video with this person in it. I was compelled to make another video with references they have to claim is wrong now. I am not as educated as they claim...but this was to easy to expose the truth. I think the Lord is with me on this one." - ChosunNinja 10 minutes ago

[TSOAS2008]

@otakujam4 where is this?

[otakujam4]

@TSOAS2008 Comment made to ninjamixer at bakemono part1 video. /watch?v=J8_fq46YN7c

[TSOAS2008]

More comments on the shirt please! We are up to three already!

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@TSOAS2008 "HERETIC!!!" How's that?

[Iceberqe]

Aahh....theres finally the heretic shirt! ;)

as for choson ninja...i think everything has been said about his credibility and knowledge of ninjutsu or japan.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

Very interesting information. It will be interesting to see what Greg's response will be.

[TSOAS2008]

@ExposeChosunNinja he told Ste he will not respond and that he is leaving the debate.

[ExposeChosunNinja]

@TSOAS2008 Figures! If he can't get his way, he takes his ball and runs home. Not the first time!

[otakujam4]

Haha. Antony nice humor with your shirt. Very informative video dispelling all of Gregs view of history.

[TSOAS2008]

@otakujam4 hahah it was a gift from a family member for my reputation!

[conzors]

i think greg park has some mental disabilities, looking at the debate on his response to this he avoids the questions and gets frustrated easily and throws insults around. i dont know about this but i think he should be left alone for awhile to see what other nonsense he comes up with, he obviously takes from your books too.

[TSOAS2008]

@conzors Hi, yes. Me and ste have gone for correct truth only, so i agree with you, no anti-anyone vids. Just pro truth. i am so glad you saw his sidestepping on that video.

[BlackShinobiShozoku]

This is very good. Bravo.

[TSOAS2008]

@BlackShinobiShozoku cheers guy. we do have to stick to the truth