This woman is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS). She is a Mormon fundamentalist. Members of the OFFICIAL LDS church don't practice polygamy.
this vid such a treasure to find...celestial plural marriage is galactic human law...spiritual wifery betters societal sluttery...Smith-Moroni-Living Lamb cannot all fall...be the Idea and Spirit of Divine Inspiration (the Divine Within and the Divine Without) not mere idealogy and lifestyle, if that...good luck, be blessed
Even non christians can believe in monogamy. It doesnt have to do with religion. Cheating is wrong. Atheist, christian, muslim, whatever we are all human and no one deserves to be cheated on or lied to!
There is a law concerning how to live as a family. It's called the BIBLE. Written by GOD. Mormons apparently don't know God or his son Jesus. We need to pray for these heathens that live right here in America amongst us. They are more sinners than homosexuals. Actually, all sin is the same to God. So they are living in sin just as much as any whores and whoremongers in the Bible. Jesus help these deluded ppl. Jezebel is a good name for these woman.
@bubbiz99 Are you saying the Bible doesn't have polygamists? What about Abraham, Jacob (Israel), David, Solomon? Polygamy is Biblical. Mormons didn't pull it out of a hat.
@BarrioPiedrabuena That's only in the Old Testament. It was NEVER accepted by Christ. Thus it is NOT Christian. As Mormons aren't Christians, but a dangerous CULT, I'm not surprised that they missed the whole New Covenant as told in the New Testament. They may have Jesus in their name, but they are headed strait to Hell because they have taken away & added to the Bible. In Revelation it tells us this. I pray they turn from their wickedness.
@bubbiz99 Jesus didn't believe in the Old Testament? You realize that he quoted scripture directly from the Old Testament! Do YOU not believe in Abraham, Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve, etc... All that crap is in the Old Testament. I don't understand Christians that say they reject the Old Testament but yet talk about its scriptures and recite Psalms.
@BarrioPiedrabuena Of course Jesus believes in the OT. But his death on the cross brought not only salvation for each individual, but a new covenant. Salvation is now offered to us gentiles. The OT law was completely revamped. Jesus or his apostles did not teach polygamy in the NT. Also no one has to offer sacrificial animals for the redemption of sins. Jesus paid the price once and for all.For Jews & gentiles.The OT is a history of God's ppl. The NT is a new set of laws based on GRACE.
The LDS Church will not tell you that they still believe that polygamy is practiced in the Celestial Kingdom and that a man can be sealed to more than one women in the temple even today. That shows how deceptive they are.In fact Hinckley said on the Larry King Live Show that polygamy is not doctrinal.Perhaps he has never read doctrine and covenants section 132 or perhaps he is trying to cover up the churches polygamist past.Even polygamist families can be together forever according to Mormons
For the truth about mormonism please read "Mormonism Shadow or Reality" by Jerald and Sandra Tanner. Sandra realised her great great grandfather (Brigham Young) was not a prophet after she read his sermons on blood atonement and the blacks. She and her husband led thousands out of the mormon church.
There are NO examples of happy or functional polygamous families in the Bible. Read about King David; Bathsheba was just the tip of the iceburg; that family was more disfunctional than any that has ever appeared on an episode of the Jerry Springer show, and God made it clear, through the words of his prophets that He was not pleased!
k, has she actually read the Old Testament?? God did not endorse, let alone ordain polygamy, he tolerated it (barely) before Christ. In the New Testament it is explicitly outlawed, as it has been in Judiasm for 1,000 years! Every single example of it in the Old Testament is disatrous! Abraham onley ended up in polygamy as a result of Sarah's sin and disbelief, and ALL OF US are still paying the price for that today!
Bishop Warren Snow of Manti, San Pete County, although the husband of several wives, desired to add to his list a good-looking young woman in that town. When he proposed to her, she declined the honor, informing him that she was engaged to a younger man....he (the younger man) was one evening summoned to attend a meeting where only trusted members were present. Suddenly the lights were put out, he was beaten and tied to a bench, and Bishop Snow himself castrated him with a bowie knife.
just as a little note--i beleive in the prophetic mission of joseph smith and the book of mormon and in the doctrine and covenants. I also beleive in the restored gospel as they tought it.
to continue I have simply looked at a few things that i have experienced. For one, perhaps you may know of the dixie chicks song where a girl is in a tiny town and all she finds is a loser. well, polygamy provides that if you find a descent man it does not matter if he is already taken(provided the wife or wives agree) I think it is really sad for girls to have to fight over guys and i used to wonder if i was not married because i was not pretty enough or smart enough.
I grew up in the mormon church too. 7generations strong. However, it occurs to me that the way the church is currently set up does not do enough to take care of the widows, the fatherless, the poor.( the system i referring to is similar to what is found in most christian churches too) The ONLY solution i have found in my own mind that truly and idealy would take care of both is polygamy and consecration. I have come to this decision without force or brainwashing.
I've studied polygamy extensively in recent months. At first, I tried to remain objective about it. But even if there are no underage marriages, sexual abuse and beatings in a polygamous relationship, there are still two inescapable truths. 1) The primary source of conflict in a household revolves around a man, and 2) the daughters in the household are being taught that they have to share a man with other women in order to get into heaven. Even then, Polygamy is still abuse!
@Ingle92protege Did you research what I mentioned in the Bible? Do you need me to tell you where it is?D&C 132 does NOT say plural marriage is necessary for exaltation. Have you read it to the end? God commanded it for a time and now has revoked it. You may also want to read Official Declaration 1 (the whole thing).
@LDStothecore you wrote, "God commanded it for a time and now has revoked." You're telling us that the God of the Bible changes His mind. But in Malachi 3:6, it is written; "For I am the Lord, I change not." And also Ezekiel 24:14
"I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent." Therefore, if God of the Bible change His mind, then He is not God.
@Ingle92protege You're joking, right? The Lord's chosen resulted from plural marriage and you still question it? Look up, in the Bible about David's plural wives, Jacob and his 4 wives that brought about the Lord's chosen (12 Tribes of Israel). Not blaming anything on God. Whatever His will is is what I desire. You can't prove your point so you attack us.
@Ingle92protege Again, I NEVER said God commanded it. No happiness by bringing the 12 Tribes of Israel? Interesting. The Lord's chosen people. As far as twisting, you antis won't even use the whole Bible. And you didn't even look up what I posted before. Why not?
@Ingle92protege I never said I could find where God commanded it. He certainly at least condoned it. Otherwise no way the 12 Tribes of Israel would have come through 1 man and his 4 wives. Also, He told David that He "gave unto" David his wives.
@Ingle92protege It's funny you can't accept what it actually says. You have to add things that it does not say. Did you read the end where the Lord says He will have further to reveal later? Plural marriage is NOT practiced by the LDS Church today.
@Ingle92protege I have read it many times. Have you read it to the end? Look at the last verse. People can be sealed to more than one person because God allows it. I don't need to know anything else. And don't say I follow blindly because I don't.
@Ingle92protege I have answered his questions. You call me ignorant? You come on here and criticize without knowing what you are talking about. Any questions you have I will answer.
@LDStothecore So why is it still in the doctrine? Show purposes only? NO. Why is it still practiced spiritually in the temple to this day if it is revoked? Why did Joseph Smith write vs 61 in D&C 132 and then do the total opposite by getting married to 11 already married wives? Does it not say in vs 61 something like - Polygamy is ok as long as the the new women is not already married? Why did he keep some of the wives secret from Emma?
@crazy456eyes D&C 132 does NOT say plural marriage is necessary for exaltation. Also, you may want to read the last verse in the section. The Lord says He will reveal more on the subject at a later time.
@LDStothecore Why did you not answer about Josephs problems with his own doctrine? By marrying already married women? D&C 132 says it is ok to practice polygamy regardless whether the first wife agrees and that the new wife isnt already married. Then why if i was Mormon (which technically i am i suppose lol) and had a polygamous relationship would i get excommunicated? I would have been just following the doctrine right? Why is it still practiced in the temples today?
@crazy456eyes It is not ok to practise plural marriage. As far as Joseph marrying women already married, I have only heard that from anti-Mormons, so I don't know. Did you read the end of the section? Right now, anyone that has more than one spouse would be excommunicated.
@LDStothecore Sorry, didnt see this comment until now. So are you saying that Joseph having 11 already married wives is false anti-mormon propaganda? If so, you may want to go check out your family search website (lds website) and look up th facts for yourself. It tells which other men they were married to whilst the were married to Joseph. Yes you would get excommunicated, but why? It is doctrinal that it is ok and good to do it.
@crazy456eyes Whether he had many wives or not, does not change my testimony. I have received many witnesses that he was called by God. And plural marriage is not doctrinal. God revoked it. If He wants it to be practised again, He will do it through the prophet.
@crazy456eyes I don't know why you don't answer. I hope you will pray and obtain a testimony. Bottom line, and most important, I have a spiritual witness that Joseph was a true prophet of God and that the Lord restored His church and Gospel to the earth through Joseph. The LDS Church is Christ's church.
@LDStothecore You dont know why i dont answer what? What do you want me to answer and i will do it. You are the one who is being presented with questions but not answering them. I asked you about 5 questions and the only answer i got was that polygamy is not nessasary for exaltation, which i never said it did anyway. Twisting my words, thats all you do. I have prayed, read the book of Mormon, and attended two temples over 5 times. How do you know the church is true?
@crazy456eyes I know the LDS Church is true, because I have studied and prayed a lot. If you read and study the Book of Mormon humbly and sincerely, I promise you will come to know it also. Also, John 7:17 says that if we want to know if something comes from God we should follow it and we will know. You have been endowed in the Temple?
@LDStothecore You have studied the book of Mormon, without comparing it to the Bible just like i did and was brain warped for a long time. I did read with a sincere heart and i believed it all since that time for ages. I then got a library card (the one thing they tell you not to do for some strange reason hmm) and did some real studying and found Jesus. Let me ask you this question. Were you worthy to take the sacrament on Sunday? And did you lie to God by doing it?
@crazy456eyes I study the Bible also. No problem with studying both. No one ever told me not to study. And I am worthy when I take the Sacrament. We repent and take the bread and water to remember the sacrifice of Christ, and we renew our covenants with Him. We don't have to be perfect in this life.
Polygamy is still accepted by mormons as doctrine to this very day even though they claim to have nothing to do with it (Read D&C 132).. Joseph Smith married a teenage girl who was already married! Now i beg to ask the question, was this gods commandment or was it Josephs lust? And why did Joseph keep it a secret from emma? Mormons also still practice spiritual polygamy to this day.. Gordon B Hinckley is sealed to two women for eternity. MORMONISM IS LIES
In Genesis 16, evidence that the great patriarchs were married to more than one wife was apparent. Moses even mentions this practice among Israel during their Exodus from Egypt; (See Exo 21:10)
But were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob punished by God or given some kind of "slap on the wrist" for living this law of plural marriage?
No; on the contrary;
9; So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (See Galatians 3:6-9)
The Mormon Polygamy Revelation nullifies all non Mormon Marriages and Contracts, defines innocent blood, threatens Joe's wife with death and more. This vile document is unaltered to this day. You cant say that of the BofM or the D&C! Joe was deceived. The revelation isn't legal as it deprives you of your marriage and business rights. Further, Polygamy (and polyandry) is from the Hierarchy, not from your choice. This screech owl is deceived.
I think it is wonderful to hear a firsthand account of a plural wife. I think people are out of line to say she seems brainwashed or misguided. If anything, she has received the guidance of the principal and is headed for eternal salvation.
I AM NOT A MORMON... JUST TO PUT IT FORWARD OFF THE BAT.... Still though just reacently i was asked about at which point the bible banned polygomy, and doing research i could not find anything of clear value speaking against polygomy.... :( btw i have one wife and am not looking for excuse for a second lol.
@THELDSLIFE It's interesting, though, that anti-Mormon, anti-polygamy people on TV demand evidence that God condoned it in the Bible. When someone shows them where it says He did (in the Bible), they deny it and refuse to accept it.
Indeed, they follow the description given us by Isaiah, the prophet: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men." Isaiah 29:13
When truth is not taught by prophets or apostles, how can one rely on that teaching? The Bible says that truth is best taught by Apostles that "LIE NOT"
I also found a great article @ FAIRLDSdotORG and it kind of "sums things up" really well. What's curious about it is it wouldn't matter if the LDS church became a church that serves wine even after the "Word of Wisdom" was given... (remember Jesus was accused of being a "Winebibber also.)
If the Lord commands it, we follow. End of argument.
Most force the gospel of Jesus Christ into their own mold and shape it after their own manner of thinking. Latter-day Saints do not.
It wasn't a firing squad. Joe Smith was shot out of a 2nd story window by an angry mob. They were angry because the Mormon church had acted like they owned the territory they were living in. They had burned down a town, killed several people, made extremely inflammatory speeches and newspaper articles as to how they were the chosen people of god.
No, you're mistaken. All known accounts of the death of Joseph Smith show that he died either by the bullets that hit him as he stood at the upstairs window, and/or from injuries sustained from falling from that same window.
Is English your 2nd language? Because "correction" is not used in this situation. You would use the word "execution".
There are many accounts which suggest the fact that he was eliminated by firing squad. Yes English is my first language; the word 'correction' was used as a synonym for 'execution' , ken?
I grew up Mormon, 5th generation, & have also studied this as a (now) non-Mormon, and none of the verified historical accounts suggest a firing squad.
It's possible that you're referring to the fact that it really did SEEM like a firing squad. He went to the window of the second-level bedroom he was confined in, & so many shots were fired at him from below that it was impossible to know which one killed him. He then fell down to the ground. His blood is still on the concrete, they say.
Sorry for the question about English, it wasn't a derogatory thing. It's just that "ken" and substituting correction for execution is not common in this part of the world. Kinda "threw" me at first, even tho I've traveled some and know that English changes everywhere you go. :)
In order, Utah, Idaho and Arizona. A fair amount in California, but percentage-wise, they are fairly small.
Overall, their conversion rates are dropping fast as the internet exposes flaws in their doctrine. They have 1/3 less conversions, even tho they have nearly twice as many missionaries out there now. Only 50% of members actually practice. Only 1 in 4 converts still remain in the church 1 year after joining. Furthermore, thousands submit letters of resignation every year.
They are in many countries throughout the world, but only based in Utah. If you look at Wikipedia, they have a very well-written article on the Latter Day Saint movement which can probably answer your questions FAR better than I can. :)
mormons: 1. Deify "man", 2. Humanize GOD, 3.Deify/Exalt satan, the (mormon) Spirit Bother of Jesus, 4: Reject the Deity of JESUS CHRIST, 5: Minimize SIN, 6: Discount HELL, 7: REJECT, and Don't Preach The CROSS, 8: ATTACK the DVINE AUTHORITY of the BIBLE, 9: TWIST The SCRIPTURES, to make them SAY what they WANT them to say, & DENY the HOLY TRINITY, etc THATs MORE Important than ALL Joe Smiths FALSE Prophecies & EVIL DEEDS, combined. The REAL JESUS said "SEARCH The SCRPTURES". THEY TESTIFY TO HIM.
Perhaps... but what can be the harm of a friend just being in there for a 20 minute event? I met with an elder and respectfully said I was not able to attend. I asked about this faith and repleyed that's what we do and how it is. No real reason. Even my friend that was married there said this guy is a jerk anyway however was polite other thatn in so many words saying you can come in cause of my chosen faith.
Mormans are kinda different, a school friend of mine is getting married in a Morman church and being that I'm Irish Catholic, not Morman, I have been asked to only attend the festivities after the church. I was not allowed in the Morman Church. However, he had no problem being a groomsman at my wedding three years earlier.... they claim Christiany, but me not being able to attend a friend I've known since 7th grade doesn't seem too Christian to me. But to each his own I guess! It's America.
I'm an ex-mormon. Your friend was being married in a Temple. Only members of the faith are permited under certain conditions (not having pre marital sex, not on drugs/alchohol/tobacco ect.). Even if he wanted you to take part in the ceremony, the church would not allow it.
There is a difference between the church and the temple. You can go to a LDS church, but the temple is more sacred. I wouldn't take it personal. Haven't you spoken to your friend and had him explain the situation?
This is absolute baloney. Since when is there any revelation that would allow a man to consummate a marriage to a ten year old girl? Since when has any MODERN society accepted this? The reason why men in the FLDS church marry multiple women is because they are horny, selfish, and want to dominate as many women as possible..and they do this by claiming it as religion. What it really is is perversion, nothing less. Complete sexual perversity that results in the submission of young women.
If you want to understand Mormon Polygamy go to my page and read it in text. and a little commentary. It is an insidious hate filled document. or type "Polygamy Revelation".
how can these people not understand that this cult they are in has resulted in a mass ritualized molestation and rape of young girls? ahhh it is just soooo obsurd. i dont understand why people are saying "oh she seems so sharp and smart". she seems like someone who is a shell of a person because she is in a cult.
as far out as it is to me, she seems to be a very sane, knowledgeable individual. I'm a christian, not a mormom. I am curious as to how some people in the bible had more than one wife and/or concubines and am curious as to how most christians justify this. It starts an argument when I ask people, I'm just curios. Ok, well god bless everyone, later.
Disgusting...the more they try to provide an answer (with more so called revelations)to every little thing that comes wrong out of their past revelations,the more tangled they get in their own mess.
The Second Manifesto was part of a spectrum of anti-Mormon abuse, from early genocide to unreasonable pressure. Could the United States ban polygamy in every country, even on the high seas? Men were not required to give up existing families. Parties married in 1904, living to 80 or 90, parted the veil in the 80's and 90's.
When listening to these stories, The decade in the Nineteeth and Twentieth Century has to be taken into account. If you look at the indigenous population, according to the 1890census most families were living polygamy. When the spirit of the tribes were broken by genocide and abuse many tribes were forced to cast off plural wives, with a great grief. The BIA schools dealt the final blow. Very sad. See A Stranger in her own Land, a biography of Alice Fletcher.
Mormons Do Not Practice Polygamy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890. Read history ) In 1998, President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy.
This Mormon Polygamist states it is ok "To destroy the press (free speech) to keep the peace" So, we give up our constitutional rights "because" a Tyrant, caught in his illegal (and immoral)acts wants (his) peace. give up freedom for peace. Sounds Familiar Today! I think the word is "SURRENDER", (or we will attack and murder you) thats the word we are looking for...1882 P' was a Requirement for the upper hierarchy. Josiah Gibbs, "Kawiches Gold Mine" 1915 shows us photos of Moromn Polygamy caves.
If we don't form our own opinions and follow the prophet blindly, or automatically without consideration, we reinforce the anti-Mormon stereo- type that we are brainwashed or sheep. We are not. Mormon will probably stick as an umbrella term for all who believe that Joseph was a prophet. Brigham is thought a demoniacal tyrant. We know this is not true because freedom of choice existed. People could refuse his advice.
refusing B.Youngs council was a death sentence. It is a provan leagal fact Polygamy was practiced after 1915. I have legal texet posted showing this. Hinckley, like ALL of the mormon ierarchy will say or do anything, go right back to his flock and say the oposite in church. hypocracy reigns supreme in mormonia
mormons don't participate in polygamy the prophet himself has said that anyone who is a polygamist is not part of our church your should be ashamed of yourself for spreading lies.
orange has a problem: The Polygamy Revelation. It Nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts. It thereatens Emma with death. and more. JS was practicing P' befor he gave JD Lee his 2nd wife in 1838. THis woman was married to a real live man. Thus, Mormon Polygamy has pasive polyandry inbedded in it.I have posted legal text showing P'in 1915. Manif' is crap. Mormon Polygamy is violence against every freedom Christains hold dear. This shriveled up hag never touches on the Structure of P'
the present day state of the church includes an intact,unchanged Polygamy revelation and a BofM with 4000 changes. P' was practiced after 1915 by the Mormon Hierarchy and those below. And Very Probably is secretly practiced today
Mormons Do Not Practice Polygamy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890. Read history ) In 1998, President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy.
Hinckley left out something..."on earth." LDS doctrine still states that celestial plural marriage is a requirement for the highest levels of the celestial kingdom. Basically, if you get to heaven the higher "levels" are attainable only if you are sealed (are married basically) to multiple celestial wives. Your quote and Hinckley's message is misleading.
Agreed, but the fact that the church still publishes D&C 132 which requires both temple marriage and polygamy means that they still put stock in the notion. Some even believe that polygamy will eventually be restored.
Since polygamy is required for exaltation, there won't be any new gods because the Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1887 forced them to renounce it in the first place.
..Let us be vigilant when we hear false prophets like joseph smith rationalise immorality (polygamy)...ANYONE can take verses from the bible to justify ANYTHING: immorality (polygamy), racism against blacks etc...this why we need to be in a true believiing christian church so that its verses are interpreted CORRECTLY whether literally, figuratively or within an historical context...
..This woman's defence of polygamy is very disturbing...ANYONE can claim they received a "revelation" from God and with the right charisma they can make millions believe that they did...With the New testament church we have a new understanding of the commandment against adultery: ONE MAN: ONE WIFE, regardles what our old test. prophets did, hence "plural marriage" is "plural adultery"..the christian church was given the authority to discern this new understanding in Matt. 16:19)
The Mormon Polygany Revelation nullifies ALL non Mormon Marriages and contracts. It threatens death to his wife unless she perform a certain way. Mormon Polygamy is beyond marriage in any sence you understand it. it is violance against all marriages. It led DIRECTLY to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. as did the Endowment Ceremony and its concomitant oathes and the Blood Atonement Doctrine. Mormonism is Violence against Christianity. IT STANDS UNCHANGED: ALOT MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY FOR THE BofM!!
The Old Testament often mentions the practice of plural marriage. Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon all practiced celestial plural marriage. Not to mention several others that are found more especially in the Old Testament of the Bible. Like many topics of religion, the Bible contradicts itself in many ways. This makes it confusing for the general public and is one of the main causes for many religions all believing in the same Bible but having different tenets.
The bible does not say polygamy is ok, Mat. 19:5 says, "the man will stick to his wife, and the TWO will be one flesh". Let's not twist the bible into some swingers club, ok, ps keep sweet and watch more of the wiggles!
pure and simple: Mormon Polygamy Revelation by Joe NULLIFIES ALL Non Mormon Marriages and contracts. So, when you give the mormon his polygamy you just shot yourself in the heart. This is the HEART of Mormonism: He gives himself polygamy and SIMULTAINEOUSLY condemns all NON Mormon marriages and contracts. Cute! well thought out. and stands unchallenged today. you think its outlawed. not so. give Homos marriage rights and kiss your ass good bye.
I'd love to talk to this woman. especially regarding Fawn Kaye Brodie's research and exploitation of this subject. Iv'e only been listening for a bit. I imagine that she would mention Brodie. Later but I get so busy, I can only listen in short segments. I am Ex-Mormon by the way. My son is an elder in the church.
Polygamy is sustainable only with a shortage of eligible males and a supply of young women willing to marry older men. The strategy becomes obvious. Somehow they scare off young males and force girls into becoming sex partners of the remaining males.
Nothing to be proud of in the history of the LDS church and impossible to sustain today without violating a book of child protection laws.
Why We are so Intolerant? If they wish to marry more than one, why should it bother us ? If a man today can sleep with so many women, have numerous girlfriends etc. why should we stop them from following a responsible and respectable way of cohabiting (marriage). Let and let LIVE!
It is more than marriage. They treat thier children as slaves. They beat them. And many girls are forced to marry at a very young age against thier will. If this was just adults that would be fine. To each thier own. But not when children are forced to marry.
wrecksoul, simple genetics agrees with you. However, you have to assume the polygamist cult leader has an education beyond the 8th grade and/or common sense. The many cases of this birth defect are evidence that these cult leaders have none of the above. So yes, polygamy and inbreeding too often go hand in hand.
Here is one reason polygamy goes against the laws of man and nature: A genetic disorder called FUMARASE Deficiency that causes mental retardation and a host of other physical problems. Becoming profound as polygamist believe they want their bloodline "pure", so there is much inbreeding. It is a huge burden on the taxpayers of Arizona/Utah and neighboring areas. Google it.
I'm curious as to how fundamentalist Mormons do temple rites. If they are polygamous, then they wouldn't be able to hold an LDS temple recommend, so they wouldn't be able to enter an LDS temple. Do fundamentalist Mormons have their own temples? Just curious, if anyone knows.
this interview goes to show if you're born into a religion, just how brain you can become. i wonder if this woman understands just how idiotic she sounds for a whole host of reasons.
and if you look at her she really appears to be a very unhappy woman having to endure such a bigoted religion.
i probably know more of what i'm talking about than do you julie. the fact we live in a free country, allowing 1 to practice most any religion within it's boarders, does not hide the fact some religions are questionable. and if any religion is questionable, the LDS is right up there at the top.
you were probably brought up in that religion & brain washed but it doesn't negate its major problems.
i'm not questioning your love of god, i'm questioning your destructive rules & regulations.
The whole idea of mormonism is just laughable. Check out Julia Sweeney's take on it. She's an outspoken Atheist and does a great job at revealing the ridiculousness of this fraudulent religion.
Fundamentalist mormons are the true follwers of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Regular mormons just threw out the bits they didn't like and try their best to cover up facts about the history of the mormon church.
Fundamentalist mormons are not the same as regular mormons (two completely different churches/religions) One practicing polygamy and one not .........just FYI
These fucking people are insane!! I'd rather meet the Boogie Man in a dark alley. The Book of Mormans, Joseph Smith and his {seer stones}, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. SOUTH PARK is my god!
if you think itS just 'about Plgy' read the polygamy Revelation. It should cause moral revulsion; ALL marriages and other contracts are NULLIFIED,then and now. that made Your wife avalable to RIGHTOUS Mormons. THE ENDOWEMENT Ceremony further consecrated this arcane immoral sexual perversion.MORMON POLYGAMY CLAIMS ITSELF SUPERIOR TO YOUR MARRIAGE AND WHAT IS YOURS IS THEIRS. ALL THIS LED TO MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.STUDY IT
Actually Romney was making a joke, at his own expense. while talking about gay marriage. Posting his comments out of context like that is very dishonest.
pentagram my ass...they arent changing the cross like they do their good so called good book.. just change it when its needed to make sins nonsins..their fake book changed every time it had too to make their selves happy but the real book is 2007 years old and has not had to change once and i dont believe in coincendense i just think the real book is just plain old real..think about thatyou stupid ass mormons
The June 7, 1844, 'Nauvoo Expositor' did make some accusations toward Joseph and Hyrum about polygamy and a revelation. A. Cowles of the high council said Hyrum read the document in the high council August 1843. Joseph and Hyrum both responded to the allegations in the 'Expositor' in the city council meeting June 10, 1844 and that the revelation dealt with the Old Testament times only and not for polygamy in Joseph's day. This is published in the 'Nauvoo Neighbor' June 17, 1844.
continued... we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in the case of death when either is at liberty to marry again..." LDS D&C 132 wasn't presented until August 1852 in Utah by Orson Pratt and Brigham Young. Joseph died June 27, 1844.
1835 'Doctrine and Covenants' section 101 (later editions 109, until it was removed in the LDS D&C in 1876 & section 132 was added for the first time) reads: "All legal contracts of marriage made before a person is baptised into this church should be held sacred and fulfilled. Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication and polygamy:
There are more original source evidences during Joseph Smith's lifetime of his innocense vs claims made by polygamy advocates after his death. Those women who claimed to be his wives were already married, married to polygamists, sealed to him after his death by proxy or contradicted their own testimonies on different occasions. The best part of Todd Compton's book, 'In Sacred Loniness...' is his tables on the first few pages of the book.
continued...neither is there any such thing practised here. And any man that is found teaching privately or publicly any such doctrine, is culpable, and will stand a chance to be brought before the High Council, and lose his license and membership also..." Hyrum Smith
This woman is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS). She is a Mormon fundamentalist. Members of the OFFICIAL LDS church don't practice polygamy.
Dthb4dishonr11 4 days ago
This b@tch is mad stupid! She is not going into the kingdom of heave with that it is going to turn into a nightmare!
kathyelam2014 1 week ago
this vid such a treasure to find...celestial plural marriage is galactic human law...spiritual wifery betters societal sluttery...Smith-Moroni-Living Lamb cannot all fall...be the Idea and Spirit of Divine Inspiration (the Divine Within and the Divine Without) not mere idealogy and lifestyle, if that...good luck, be blessed
hhhuman 1 month ago
I am gay. So If I join the Mormon church can I have as many husbands as I want?!
disneylandtwo 4 months ago
@disneylandtwo Yes, but Alice Cooper and Michael Moore have to be your first two husbands.
dirtyballcap 3 months ago
Even non christians can believe in monogamy. It doesnt have to do with religion. Cheating is wrong. Atheist, christian, muslim, whatever we are all human and no one deserves to be cheated on or lied to!
ChrisMarquetteslover 7 months ago
Religion. LOL.
joshkund 7 months ago
There is a law concerning how to live as a family. It's called the BIBLE. Written by GOD. Mormons apparently don't know God or his son Jesus. We need to pray for these heathens that live right here in America amongst us. They are more sinners than homosexuals. Actually, all sin is the same to God. So they are living in sin just as much as any whores and whoremongers in the Bible. Jesus help these deluded ppl. Jezebel is a good name for these woman.
bubbiz99 8 months ago in playlist POLYGAMY
@bubbiz99 Are you saying the Bible doesn't have polygamists? What about Abraham, Jacob (Israel), David, Solomon? Polygamy is Biblical. Mormons didn't pull it out of a hat.
BarrioPiedrabuena 5 months ago
@BarrioPiedrabuena That's only in the Old Testament. It was NEVER accepted by Christ. Thus it is NOT Christian. As Mormons aren't Christians, but a dangerous CULT, I'm not surprised that they missed the whole New Covenant as told in the New Testament. They may have Jesus in their name, but they are headed strait to Hell because they have taken away & added to the Bible. In Revelation it tells us this. I pray they turn from their wickedness.
bubbiz99 5 months ago
@bubbiz99 Jesus didn't believe in the Old Testament? You realize that he quoted scripture directly from the Old Testament! Do YOU not believe in Abraham, Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve, etc... All that crap is in the Old Testament. I don't understand Christians that say they reject the Old Testament but yet talk about its scriptures and recite Psalms.
BarrioPiedrabuena 5 months ago
@BarrioPiedrabuena Of course Jesus believes in the OT. But his death on the cross brought not only salvation for each individual, but a new covenant. Salvation is now offered to us gentiles. The OT law was completely revamped. Jesus or his apostles did not teach polygamy in the NT. Also no one has to offer sacrificial animals for the redemption of sins. Jesus paid the price once and for all.For Jews & gentiles.The OT is a history of God's ppl. The NT is a new set of laws based on GRACE.
bubbiz99 5 months ago
The LDS Church will not tell you that they still believe that polygamy is practiced in the Celestial Kingdom and that a man can be sealed to more than one women in the temple even today. That shows how deceptive they are.In fact Hinckley said on the Larry King Live Show that polygamy is not doctrinal.Perhaps he has never read doctrine and covenants section 132 or perhaps he is trying to cover up the churches polygamist past.Even polygamist families can be together forever according to Mormons
howdypartnerhotm 9 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite its not my religion
LeelaDebris 10 months ago
well you have to obey the laws of the land so i can't blame the LDS church for stopping polygamy
LeelaDebris 11 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite thats not fair to say
LeelaDebris 11 months ago
I'm sorry but the very idea that someone would have to hide this from another wife shows how dodgy this is.
snoopval 11 months ago
@snoopval Yeah this woman is defending adultery and pedophilia. How disgusting. Brainwashed instead of washed in the blood of Jesus.
bubbiz99 8 months ago in playlist POLYGAMY
@bubbiz99 Gross, who would want to be washed in blood! Not me
Xt0tallyXr0cknX 3 months ago
Is it just me, or does the interviewer's voice sound like Kody Brown?
suegee1950 1 year ago
For the truth about mormonism please read "Mormonism Shadow or Reality" by Jerald and Sandra Tanner. Sandra realised her great great grandfather (Brigham Young) was not a prophet after she read his sermons on blood atonement and the blacks. She and her husband led thousands out of the mormon church.
hernhillrebel 1 year ago
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ariblum77 1 year ago
There are NO examples of happy or functional polygamous families in the Bible. Read about King David; Bathsheba was just the tip of the iceburg; that family was more disfunctional than any that has ever appeared on an episode of the Jerry Springer show, and God made it clear, through the words of his prophets that He was not pleased!
gwendolyn4321 1 year ago
k, has she actually read the Old Testament?? God did not endorse, let alone ordain polygamy, he tolerated it (barely) before Christ. In the New Testament it is explicitly outlawed, as it has been in Judiasm for 1,000 years! Every single example of it in the Old Testament is disatrous! Abraham onley ended up in polygamy as a result of Sarah's sin and disbelief, and ALL OF US are still paying the price for that today!
gwendolyn4321 1 year ago
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You people are mentally ill.
StaceyC123 1 year ago
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Bishop Warren Snow of Manti, San Pete County, although the husband of several wives, desired to add to his list a good-looking young woman in that town. When he proposed to her, she declined the honor, informing him that she was engaged to a younger man....he (the younger man) was one evening summoned to attend a meeting where only trusted members were present. Suddenly the lights were put out, he was beaten and tied to a bench, and Bishop Snow himself castrated him with a bowie knife.
blugularis 1 year ago 2
just as a little note--i beleive in the prophetic mission of joseph smith and the book of mormon and in the doctrine and covenants. I also beleive in the restored gospel as they tought it.
sammycatfan 1 year ago
to continue I have simply looked at a few things that i have experienced. For one, perhaps you may know of the dixie chicks song where a girl is in a tiny town and all she finds is a loser. well, polygamy provides that if you find a descent man it does not matter if he is already taken(provided the wife or wives agree) I think it is really sad for girls to have to fight over guys and i used to wonder if i was not married because i was not pretty enough or smart enough.
sammycatfan 1 year ago
I grew up in the mormon church too. 7generations strong. However, it occurs to me that the way the church is currently set up does not do enough to take care of the widows, the fatherless, the poor.( the system i referring to is similar to what is found in most christian churches too) The ONLY solution i have found in my own mind that truly and idealy would take care of both is polygamy and consecration. I have come to this decision without force or brainwashing.
sammycatfan 1 year ago
I've studied polygamy extensively in recent months. At first, I tried to remain objective about it. But even if there are no underage marriages, sexual abuse and beatings in a polygamous relationship, there are still two inescapable truths. 1) The primary source of conflict in a household revolves around a man, and 2) the daughters in the household are being taught that they have to share a man with other women in order to get into heaven. Even then, Polygamy is still abuse!
Jadicegirl 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege Did you research what I mentioned in the Bible? Do you need me to tell you where it is?D&C 132 does NOT say plural marriage is necessary for exaltation. Have you read it to the end? God commanded it for a time and now has revoked it. You may also want to read Official Declaration 1 (the whole thing).
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore you wrote, "God commanded it for a time and now has revoked." You're telling us that the God of the Bible changes His mind. But in Malachi 3:6, it is written; "For I am the Lord, I change not." And also Ezekiel 24:14
"I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent." Therefore, if God of the Bible change His mind, then He is not God.
12lipa 1 year ago
@12lipa He revoked the Law of Moses. Other things in the Bible God has taken away.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege You're joking, right? The Lord's chosen resulted from plural marriage and you still question it? Look up, in the Bible about David's plural wives, Jacob and his 4 wives that brought about the Lord's chosen (12 Tribes of Israel). Not blaming anything on God. Whatever His will is is what I desire. You can't prove your point so you attack us.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege Again, I NEVER said God commanded it. No happiness by bringing the 12 Tribes of Israel? Interesting. The Lord's chosen people. As far as twisting, you antis won't even use the whole Bible. And you didn't even look up what I posted before. Why not?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege I never said I could find where God commanded it. He certainly at least condoned it. Otherwise no way the 12 Tribes of Israel would have come through 1 man and his 4 wives. Also, He told David that He "gave unto" David his wives.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege It's funny you can't accept what it actually says. You have to add things that it does not say. Did you read the end where the Lord says He will have further to reveal later? Plural marriage is NOT practiced by the LDS Church today.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege I have read it many times. Have you read it to the end? Look at the last verse. People can be sealed to more than one person because God allows it. I don't need to know anything else. And don't say I follow blindly because I don't.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege I have answered his questions. You call me ignorant? You come on here and criticize without knowing what you are talking about. Any questions you have I will answer.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
This person, John, doing the interview is an apostate. Plural marriage was revoked by the Lord.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore So why is it still in the doctrine? Show purposes only? NO. Why is it still practiced spiritually in the temple to this day if it is revoked? Why did Joseph Smith write vs 61 in D&C 132 and then do the total opposite by getting married to 11 already married wives? Does it not say in vs 61 something like - Polygamy is ok as long as the the new women is not already married? Why did he keep some of the wives secret from Emma?
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes D&C 132 does NOT say plural marriage is necessary for exaltation. Also, you may want to read the last verse in the section. The Lord says He will reveal more on the subject at a later time.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Why did you not answer about Josephs problems with his own doctrine? By marrying already married women? D&C 132 says it is ok to practice polygamy regardless whether the first wife agrees and that the new wife isnt already married. Then why if i was Mormon (which technically i am i suppose lol) and had a polygamous relationship would i get excommunicated? I would have been just following the doctrine right? Why is it still practiced in the temples today?
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes It is not ok to practise plural marriage. As far as Joseph marrying women already married, I have only heard that from anti-Mormons, so I don't know. Did you read the end of the section? Right now, anyone that has more than one spouse would be excommunicated.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Sorry, didnt see this comment until now. So are you saying that Joseph having 11 already married wives is false anti-mormon propaganda? If so, you may want to go check out your family search website (lds website) and look up th facts for yourself. It tells which other men they were married to whilst the were married to Joseph. Yes you would get excommunicated, but why? It is doctrinal that it is ok and good to do it.
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes Whether he had many wives or not, does not change my testimony. I have received many witnesses that he was called by God. And plural marriage is not doctrinal. God revoked it. If He wants it to be practised again, He will do it through the prophet.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes I don't know why you don't answer. I hope you will pray and obtain a testimony. Bottom line, and most important, I have a spiritual witness that Joseph was a true prophet of God and that the Lord restored His church and Gospel to the earth through Joseph. The LDS Church is Christ's church.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore You dont know why i dont answer what? What do you want me to answer and i will do it. You are the one who is being presented with questions but not answering them. I asked you about 5 questions and the only answer i got was that polygamy is not nessasary for exaltation, which i never said it did anyway. Twisting my words, thats all you do. I have prayed, read the book of Mormon, and attended two temples over 5 times. How do you know the church is true?
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes I know the LDS Church is true, because I have studied and prayed a lot. If you read and study the Book of Mormon humbly and sincerely, I promise you will come to know it also. Also, John 7:17 says that if we want to know if something comes from God we should follow it and we will know. You have been endowed in the Temple?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore You have studied the book of Mormon, without comparing it to the Bible just like i did and was brain warped for a long time. I did read with a sincere heart and i believed it all since that time for ages. I then got a library card (the one thing they tell you not to do for some strange reason hmm) and did some real studying and found Jesus. Let me ask you this question. Were you worthy to take the sacrament on Sunday? And did you lie to God by doing it?
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes I study the Bible also. No problem with studying both. No one ever told me not to study. And I am worthy when I take the Sacrament. We repent and take the bread and water to remember the sacrifice of Christ, and we renew our covenants with Him. We don't have to be perfect in this life.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Why arent you answering? Are you afraid to tell the truth?
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
Sick fucks, this is 2010.
chave2base 1 year ago
Polygamy is still accepted by mormons as doctrine to this very day even though they claim to have nothing to do with it (Read D&C 132).. Joseph Smith married a teenage girl who was already married! Now i beg to ask the question, was this gods commandment or was it Josephs lust? And why did Joseph keep it a secret from emma? Mormons also still practice spiritual polygamy to this day.. Gordon B Hinckley is sealed to two women for eternity. MORMONISM IS LIES
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
@crazy456eyes Yes, you would be lying.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Tell me one lie i made in the comment please and i will explain.
crazy456eyes 1 year ago
Not at all times was this law lived.
In Genesis 16, evidence that the great patriarchs were married to more than one wife was apparent. Moses even mentions this practice among Israel during their Exodus from Egypt; (See Exo 21:10)
But were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob punished by God or given some kind of "slap on the wrist" for living this law of plural marriage?
No; on the contrary;
9; So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (See Galatians 3:6-9)
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
The Mormon Polygamy Revelation nullifies all non Mormon Marriages and Contracts, defines innocent blood, threatens Joe's wife with death and more. This vile document is unaltered to this day. You cant say that of the BofM or the D&C! Joe was deceived. The revelation isn't legal as it deprives you of your marriage and business rights. Further, Polygamy (and polyandry) is from the Hierarchy, not from your choice. This screech owl is deceived.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
I think it is wonderful to hear a firsthand account of a plural wife. I think people are out of line to say she seems brainwashed or misguided. If anything, she has received the guidance of the principal and is headed for eternal salvation.
bengalstomp 2 years ago
It's sad listening to this poor misguided woman.
She's so brainwashed that she even justifies Joseph Smith's marrying other men's (Mormon men's !!!!) wives while those men were alive.
Hopeless.
ProfoundConfusion 2 years ago
I AM NOT A MORMON... JUST TO PUT IT FORWARD OFF THE BAT.... Still though just reacently i was asked about at which point the bible banned polygomy, and doing research i could not find anything of clear value speaking against polygomy.... :( btw i have one wife and am not looking for excuse for a second lol.
Chuk231 2 years ago
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Agreed; There is plenty of information given to us by the Bible that it was a regularly practiced thing;
ie, Genesis 16:1-11, Exodus 212:10, etc)
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
@THELDSLIFE It's interesting, though, that anti-Mormon, anti-polygamy people on TV demand evidence that God condoned it in the Bible. When someone shows them where it says He did (in the Bible), they deny it and refuse to accept it.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
Indeed, they follow the description given us by Isaiah, the prophet: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men." Isaiah 29:13
When truth is not taught by prophets or apostles, how can one rely on that teaching? The Bible says that truth is best taught by Apostles that "LIE NOT"
(1 Timothy 2:7) but they'll deny that too.
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
@THELDSLIFE LDS Apostles do not lie. And I have found some good passages in the OT that talk about how the Lord gave to David his wives. And more.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore
I also found a great article @ FAIRLDSdotORG and it kind of "sums things up" really well. What's curious about it is it wouldn't matter if the LDS church became a church that serves wine even after the "Word of Wisdom" was given... (remember Jesus was accused of being a "Winebibber also.)
If the Lord commands it, we follow. End of argument.
Most force the gospel of Jesus Christ into their own mold and shape it after their own manner of thinking. Latter-day Saints do not.
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
Plural wives! LOL! Celestial plural marriage! LOL! Does a plural wife have a plural vagina?
John Smith was the greatest fraud in the world: but you got to admire how he went about fucking any woman he wanted to.
8DX 2 years ago
"voted on and accepted,".........If it's from god why the need to vote!
vcomp1960 2 years ago
Keeping a secret from your spouse about something like this does not seem fair or right to me. If I were Emma... she divorced him eventually??
gowalkingathinline 2 years ago
Nope, Emma didn't divorce Joseph. Divorce was unheard of then, for the most part. Joseph was later killed by an angry mob.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
He was actually corrected by a firing squad, ken?
dowling1981 2 years ago
It wasn't a firing squad. Joe Smith was shot out of a 2nd story window by an angry mob. They were angry because the Mormon church had acted like they owned the territory they were living in. They had burned down a town, killed several people, made extremely inflammatory speeches and newspaper articles as to how they were the chosen people of god.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
But after that mob incident happened he was presented to his firing squad, ken?
dowling1981 2 years ago
No, as I already explained, he was killed by the mob that shot him out of the window.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
He was certainly wounded by them, but it was the firing squad they took him to for his correction
dowling1981 2 years ago
No, you're mistaken. All known accounts of the death of Joseph Smith show that he died either by the bullets that hit him as he stood at the upstairs window, and/or from injuries sustained from falling from that same window.
Is English your 2nd language? Because "correction" is not used in this situation. You would use the word "execution".
Kaileo1 2 years ago
There are many accounts which suggest the fact that he was eliminated by firing squad. Yes English is my first language; the word 'correction' was used as a synonym for 'execution' , ken?
dowling1981 2 years ago
I grew up Mormon, 5th generation, & have also studied this as a (now) non-Mormon, and none of the verified historical accounts suggest a firing squad.
It's possible that you're referring to the fact that it really did SEEM like a firing squad. He went to the window of the second-level bedroom he was confined in, & so many shots were fired at him from below that it was impossible to know which one killed him. He then fell down to the ground. His blood is still on the concrete, they say.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Sorry for the question about English, it wasn't a derogatory thing. It's just that "ken" and substituting correction for execution is not common in this part of the world. Kinda "threw" me at first, even tho I've traveled some and know that English changes everywhere you go. :)
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Dinnae worry about that, nae need to apologize, likesay. Whereupon in the States is Mormonism most prevalent?
dowling1981 2 years ago
In order, Utah, Idaho and Arizona. A fair amount in California, but percentage-wise, they are fairly small.
Overall, their conversion rates are dropping fast as the internet exposes flaws in their doctrine. They have 1/3 less conversions, even tho they have nearly twice as many missionaries out there now. Only 50% of members actually practice. Only 1 in 4 converts still remain in the church 1 year after joining. Furthermore, thousands submit letters of resignation every year.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Do they call by people's houses like they do in the UK?
dowling1981 2 years ago
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Yes, they do.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
What other countries are they based in?
dowling1981 2 years ago
They are in many countries throughout the world, but only based in Utah. If you look at Wikipedia, they have a very well-written article on the Latter Day Saint movement which can probably answer your questions FAR better than I can. :)
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Granted. Who is the most famous Mormon?
dowling1981 2 years ago
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mormons: 1. Deify "man", 2. Humanize GOD, 3.Deify/Exalt satan, the (mormon) Spirit Bother of Jesus, 4: Reject the Deity of JESUS CHRIST, 5: Minimize SIN, 6: Discount HELL, 7: REJECT, and Don't Preach The CROSS, 8: ATTACK the DVINE AUTHORITY of the BIBLE, 9: TWIST The SCRIPTURES, to make them SAY what they WANT them to say, & DENY the HOLY TRINITY, etc THATs MORE Important than ALL Joe Smiths FALSE Prophecies & EVIL DEEDS, combined. The REAL JESUS said "SEARCH The SCRPTURES". THEY TESTIFY TO HIM.
reverendluke 2 years ago
Perhaps... but what can be the harm of a friend just being in there for a 20 minute event? I met with an elder and respectfully said I was not able to attend. I asked about this faith and repleyed that's what we do and how it is. No real reason. Even my friend that was married there said this guy is a jerk anyway however was polite other thatn in so many words saying you can come in cause of my chosen faith.
JetWeasel 2 years ago
Mormans are kinda different, a school friend of mine is getting married in a Morman church and being that I'm Irish Catholic, not Morman, I have been asked to only attend the festivities after the church. I was not allowed in the Morman Church. However, he had no problem being a groomsman at my wedding three years earlier.... they claim Christiany, but me not being able to attend a friend I've known since 7th grade doesn't seem too Christian to me. But to each his own I guess! It's America.
JetWeasel 2 years ago
Mormons get married in temples and you need to have a temple recommend to get in. It has alot to do with their faith and nothing to do with you.
DJAarmOZ 2 years ago
I'm an ex-mormon. Your friend was being married in a Temple. Only members of the faith are permited under certain conditions (not having pre marital sex, not on drugs/alchohol/tobacco ect.). Even if he wanted you to take part in the ceremony, the church would not allow it.
only1tylerdurden 2 years ago
There is a difference between the church and the temple. You can go to a LDS church, but the temple is more sacred. I wouldn't take it personal. Haven't you spoken to your friend and had him explain the situation?
roughneck10000 2 years ago
This is absolute baloney. Since when is there any revelation that would allow a man to consummate a marriage to a ten year old girl? Since when has any MODERN society accepted this? The reason why men in the FLDS church marry multiple women is because they are horny, selfish, and want to dominate as many women as possible..and they do this by claiming it as religion. What it really is is perversion, nothing less. Complete sexual perversity that results in the submission of young women.
NattyB5693 2 years ago
If you want to understand Mormon Polygamy go to my page and read it in text. and a little commentary. It is an insidious hate filled document. or type "Polygamy Revelation".
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
how can these people not understand that this cult they are in has resulted in a mass ritualized molestation and rape of young girls? ahhh it is just soooo obsurd. i dont understand why people are saying "oh she seems so sharp and smart". she seems like someone who is a shell of a person because she is in a cult.
highplainsdrifter08 3 years ago
i completely agree with you
NattyB5693 2 years ago
as far out as it is to me, she seems to be a very sane, knowledgeable individual. I'm a christian, not a mormom. I am curious as to how some people in the bible had more than one wife and/or concubines and am curious as to how most christians justify this. It starts an argument when I ask people, I'm just curios. Ok, well god bless everyone, later.
cincybmx420 3 years ago
how very unchristian you guys are.
TrueChurchLDS 3 years ago
There is one group of people i hate more than the freakin Jehovahs witness folk and it`s the freaking mormons.
Puppy666andonemore6 3 years ago
FLDS-LDS..same thing with different name..smae prophet,same believes,same book..same cult.
theTruthNotLies 3 years ago
Joseph Smith was a degenerate, depraved, murderous madman.
David had his lover's husband killed. Is that also cool.
That this woman lived in sin is bad enough that she uses God to justify it is thoroughly evil.
carcabe 3 years ago
She seems very sharp, look at those vivid peircing eyes...hmmm.
cannaryinacoalmine 3 years ago
Disgusting...the more they try to provide an answer (with more so called revelations)to every little thing that comes wrong out of their past revelations,the more tangled they get in their own mess.
croehner 3 years ago
The Second Manifesto was part of a spectrum of anti-Mormon abuse, from early genocide to unreasonable pressure. Could the United States ban polygamy in every country, even on the high seas? Men were not required to give up existing families. Parties married in 1904, living to 80 or 90, parted the veil in the 80's and 90's.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
lds are sheep
mythraoflight 3 years ago
And Evangelicals are wolves.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
Mormons Do Not Practice Polygamy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890. Read history ) In 1998, President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy.
orangecraze 3 years ago
This Mormon Polygamist states it is ok "To destroy the press (free speech) to keep the peace" So, we give up our constitutional rights "because" a Tyrant, caught in his illegal (and immoral)acts wants (his) peace. give up freedom for peace. Sounds Familiar Today! I think the word is "SURRENDER", (or we will attack and murder you) thats the word we are looking for...1882 P' was a Requirement for the upper hierarchy. Josiah Gibbs, "Kawiches Gold Mine" 1915 shows us photos of Moromn Polygamy caves.
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
refusing B.Youngs council was a death sentence. It is a provan leagal fact Polygamy was practiced after 1915. I have legal texet posted showing this. Hinckley, like ALL of the mormon ierarchy will say or do anything, go right back to his flock and say the oposite in church. hypocracy reigns supreme in mormonia
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
mormons don't participate in polygamy the prophet himself has said that anyone who is a polygamist is not part of our church your should be ashamed of yourself for spreading lies.
orangecraze 3 years ago
orange has a problem: The Polygamy Revelation. It Nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts. It thereatens Emma with death. and more. JS was practicing P' befor he gave JD Lee his 2nd wife in 1838. THis woman was married to a real live man. Thus, Mormon Polygamy has pasive polyandry inbedded in it.I have posted legal text showing P'in 1915. Manif' is crap. Mormon Polygamy is violence against every freedom Christains hold dear. This shriveled up hag never touches on the Structure of P'
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
I am talking about the present day state of the church you bright spark of nature.
orangecraze 3 years ago
the present day state of the church includes an intact,unchanged Polygamy revelation and a BofM with 4000 changes. P' was practiced after 1915 by the Mormon Hierarchy and those below. And Very Probably is secretly practiced today
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
Mormons Do Not Practice Polygamy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890. Read history ) In 1998, President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy.
orangecraze 3 years ago
Hinckley left out something..."on earth." LDS doctrine still states that celestial plural marriage is a requirement for the highest levels of the celestial kingdom. Basically, if you get to heaven the higher "levels" are attainable only if you are sealed (are married basically) to multiple celestial wives. Your quote and Hinckley's message is misleading.
fudley2003 2 years ago
it's still bullshit
NattyB5693 2 years ago
Agreed, but the fact that the church still publishes D&C 132 which requires both temple marriage and polygamy means that they still put stock in the notion. Some even believe that polygamy will eventually be restored.
Since polygamy is required for exaltation, there won't be any new gods because the Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1887 forced them to renounce it in the first place.
moparmonster1965 2 years ago
who ever believes this is an idiot, this dude read stuff out of a hat
rgilley21 3 years ago 3
..Let us be vigilant when we hear false prophets like joseph smith rationalise immorality (polygamy)...ANYONE can take verses from the bible to justify ANYTHING: immorality (polygamy), racism against blacks etc...this why we need to be in a true believiing christian church so that its verses are interpreted CORRECTLY whether literally, figuratively or within an historical context...
dimtry19 3 years ago
..This woman's defence of polygamy is very disturbing...ANYONE can claim they received a "revelation" from God and with the right charisma they can make millions believe that they did...With the New testament church we have a new understanding of the commandment against adultery: ONE MAN: ONE WIFE, regardles what our old test. prophets did, hence "plural marriage" is "plural adultery"..the christian church was given the authority to discern this new understanding in Matt. 16:19)
dimtry19 3 years ago
The Mormon Polygany Revelation nullifies ALL non Mormon Marriages and contracts. It threatens death to his wife unless she perform a certain way. Mormon Polygamy is beyond marriage in any sence you understand it. it is violance against all marriages. It led DIRECTLY to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. as did the Endowment Ceremony and its concomitant oathes and the Blood Atonement Doctrine. Mormonism is Violence against Christianity. IT STANDS UNCHANGED: ALOT MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY FOR THE BofM!!
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
The Old Testament often mentions the practice of plural marriage. Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon all practiced celestial plural marriage. Not to mention several others that are found more especially in the Old Testament of the Bible. Like many topics of religion, the Bible contradicts itself in many ways. This makes it confusing for the general public and is one of the main causes for many religions all believing in the same Bible but having different tenets.
beau4307 3 years ago
Why have we become so Intolerant to anyone who is against the teachings of Hollywood/Estb/Secularism?
Orwellian society?
Beating of children, force marriages etc. are practised all over the world not only in Mormons.
I would call it Injustice!
Might is Right policy.
We see this Might is Right policy being practised all over the world by America to all those who challenger her dictates!
abikani 3 years ago
Mormons, Catholics and many religions of the world; alter their doctrine to fit the day.
The Word of God does not change or alter itself; to fit the day or the people that read it.
Terri3210 3 years ago
that is true.
musicmaker919 3 years ago
The bible does not say polygamy is ok, Mat. 19:5 says, "the man will stick to his wife, and the TWO will be one flesh". Let's not twist the bible into some swingers club, ok, ps keep sweet and watch more of the wiggles!
jameswolney 3 years ago
pure and simple: Mormon Polygamy Revelation by Joe NULLIFIES ALL Non Mormon Marriages and contracts. So, when you give the mormon his polygamy you just shot yourself in the heart. This is the HEART of Mormonism: He gives himself polygamy and SIMULTAINEOUSLY condemns all NON Mormon marriages and contracts. Cute! well thought out. and stands unchallenged today. you think its outlawed. not so. give Homos marriage rights and kiss your ass good bye.
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
I'd love to talk to this woman. especially regarding Fawn Kaye Brodie's research and exploitation of this subject. Iv'e only been listening for a bit. I imagine that she would mention Brodie. Later but I get so busy, I can only listen in short segments. I am Ex-Mormon by the way. My son is an elder in the church.
maxedout1956 3 years ago
Are lobotomies a required Mormon rite?
Polygamy is sustainable only with a shortage of eligible males and a supply of young women willing to marry older men. The strategy becomes obvious. Somehow they scare off young males and force girls into becoming sex partners of the remaining males.
Nothing to be proud of in the history of the LDS church and impossible to sustain today without violating a book of child protection laws.
ITubeSheTubes 3 years ago 3
thats not a religin its a fuckin sick twisted cult that need to be shut down
malcolm0171 3 years ago 5
All religions started out as a cult
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
Why We are so Intolerant? If they wish to marry more than one, why should it bother us ? If a man today can sleep with so many women, have numerous girlfriends etc. why should we stop them from following a responsible and respectable way of cohabiting (marriage). Let and let LIVE!
abikani 3 years ago
It is more than marriage. They treat thier children as slaves. They beat them. And many girls are forced to marry at a very young age against thier will. If this was just adults that would be fine. To each thier own. But not when children are forced to marry.
icemom09 3 years ago
wrecksoul, simple genetics agrees with you. However, you have to assume the polygamist cult leader has an education beyond the 8th grade and/or common sense. The many cases of this birth defect are evidence that these cult leaders have none of the above. So yes, polygamy and inbreeding too often go hand in hand.
neuterpets 3 years ago
be quiet
freshrose23 3 years ago
this is what you call misled people..,
veLvetroZe01 3 years ago 2
Here is one reason polygamy goes against the laws of man and nature: A genetic disorder called FUMARASE Deficiency that causes mental retardation and a host of other physical problems. Becoming profound as polygamist believe they want their bloodline "pure", so there is much inbreeding. It is a huge burden on the taxpayers of Arizona/Utah and neighboring areas. Google it.
neuterpets 3 years ago
I'm curious as to how fundamentalist Mormons do temple rites. If they are polygamous, then they wouldn't be able to hold an LDS temple recommend, so they wouldn't be able to enter an LDS temple. Do fundamentalist Mormons have their own temples? Just curious, if anyone knows.
elderwall 3 years ago
I may be wrong, but i think i saw that they have one in El dorado, tx. Correct me if i am wrong.
Hpangirl 3 years ago
joseph smith was a scum bag
thirdbaseman94 3 years ago 2
the book of morons is more like it....
zuniga6412 3 years ago
this interview goes to show if you're born into a religion, just how brain you can become. i wonder if this woman understands just how idiotic she sounds for a whole host of reasons.
and if you look at her she really appears to be a very unhappy woman having to endure such a bigoted religion.
wntoply6 3 years ago
Christ! I can't believe the woman said all this with a straight face.
vcomp1960 3 years ago
u dont know what your talking about
101Julie101 3 years ago
i probably know more of what i'm talking about than do you julie. the fact we live in a free country, allowing 1 to practice most any religion within it's boarders, does not hide the fact some religions are questionable. and if any religion is questionable, the LDS is right up there at the top.
you were probably brought up in that religion & brain washed but it doesn't negate its major problems.
i'm not questioning your love of god, i'm questioning your destructive rules & regulations.
wntoply6 3 years ago
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The whole idea of mormonism is just laughable. Check out Julia Sweeney's take on it. She's an outspoken Atheist and does a great job at revealing the ridiculousness of this fraudulent religion.
phonedial9 4 years ago 2
Fundamentalist mormons are the true follwers of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Regular mormons just threw out the bits they didn't like and try their best to cover up facts about the history of the mormon church.
Testallthings 4 years ago 6
Fundamentalist mormons are not the same as regular mormons (two completely different churches/religions) One practicing polygamy and one not .........just FYI
tbonetsr 4 years ago 2
Disgusting
melonbarmonster 4 years ago
These fucking people are insane!! I'd rather meet the Boogie Man in a dark alley. The Book of Mormans, Joseph Smith and his {seer stones}, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. SOUTH PARK is my god!
RonDog94 4 years ago
if you think itS just 'about Plgy' read the polygamy Revelation. It should cause moral revulsion; ALL marriages and other contracts are NULLIFIED,then and now. that made Your wife avalable to RIGHTOUS Mormons. THE ENDOWEMENT Ceremony further consecrated this arcane immoral sexual perversion.MORMON POLYGAMY CLAIMS ITSELF SUPERIOR TO YOUR MARRIAGE AND WHAT IS YOURS IS THEIRS. ALL THIS LED TO MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.STUDY IT
hypnotstcollector 4 years ago
Why is it when we see pictures of the wives of these fruitcakes that they are FUGLY??? Are they that desperate to get laid/married?
LaGioiella 4 years ago
obviously you are too scared to get maried maybe you should think about the spiritual side of marriage before makeing statements like that
alby451 4 years ago
Romney- "Let me be clear. Marriage is defined as a union between a man and his wives."
hillaryyo2008 4 years ago 2
Haha, Did he really say this?
bodaget 4 years ago
Romney is NOT a fundamentalist.
btfogelberg 4 years ago
why do you speak such crap!!!! if you knew what you were talking about i would listen
alby451 4 years ago
Actually Romney was making a joke, at his own expense. while talking about gay marriage. Posting his comments out of context like that is very dishonest.
slvjm1 4 years ago
This woman is awesome! Who is she?
Amhlair 4 years ago
Hey, dumbshit, this is Fundamentalist LDS, and I hate to break it to you, but the cross is nothing more than a pagan symbol adapted.
igottwopeepees 4 years ago
pentagram my ass...they arent changing the cross like they do their good so called good book.. just change it when its needed to make sins nonsins..their fake book changed every time it had too to make their selves happy but the real book is 2007 years old and has not had to change once and i dont believe in coincendense i just think the real book is just plain old real..think about thatyou stupid ass mormons
baggyjoseph 4 years ago
it's closer to 1930 years old I believe...
Djcandymann 4 years ago
no.. sorry... that is when some of the stroies were written... but it wasn't collected to put in a big book yet
Djcandymann 4 years ago
right on brother!
baggyjoseph 4 years ago
did she say joseph married women who were already married??
shorty40merza 4 years ago 2
he's believed to have, yes.
desikitteh 4 years ago
The June 7, 1844, 'Nauvoo Expositor' did make some accusations toward Joseph and Hyrum about polygamy and a revelation. A. Cowles of the high council said Hyrum read the document in the high council August 1843. Joseph and Hyrum both responded to the allegations in the 'Expositor' in the city council meeting June 10, 1844 and that the revelation dealt with the Old Testament times only and not for polygamy in Joseph's day. This is published in the 'Nauvoo Neighbor' June 17, 1844.
NauvooSaint 4 years ago
continued... we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in the case of death when either is at liberty to marry again..." LDS D&C 132 wasn't presented until August 1852 in Utah by Orson Pratt and Brigham Young. Joseph died June 27, 1844.
NauvooSaint 4 years ago
1835 'Doctrine and Covenants' section 101 (later editions 109, until it was removed in the LDS D&C in 1876 & section 132 was added for the first time) reads: "All legal contracts of marriage made before a person is baptised into this church should be held sacred and fulfilled. Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication and polygamy:
NauvooSaint 4 years ago
There are more original source evidences during Joseph Smith's lifetime of his innocense vs claims made by polygamy advocates after his death. Those women who claimed to be his wives were already married, married to polygamists, sealed to him after his death by proxy or contradicted their own testimonies on different occasions. The best part of Todd Compton's book, 'In Sacred Loniness...' is his tables on the first few pages of the book.
NauvooSaint 4 years ago
continued...neither is there any such thing practised here. And any man that is found teaching privately or publicly any such doctrine, is culpable, and will stand a chance to be brought before the High Council, and lose his license and membership also..." Hyrum Smith
NauvooSaint 4 years ago