1 - Taekwon-Do ITF vs Spirit MC

[harrytheman1000]

Ok What the Fuck is Spirit Mc just saying ??????????

[3bepko]

After many years in WTF I went to Kyokushinkai karate. From my experience I say WTF TKD is "one-way full contact sport". I mean you are not supposed to be kicked, but to attack or counter an attack. Muscles are simply not used to be stressed. In this video that low kick in 4:48 paralyzed TKD fighter, luckily for him other guy didn't realize that ;) WTF is Olympic sport, not deadly martial art, I love it for sophisticated techniques but more for great sport spirit that it builds in people! Peace

[thelegendxp]

Stop judging the art of WTF TKD by its sports counterpart. If you look at the martial art itself, they have just as much focus on hand techniques as other marital arts do, including ITF. It's the sports sector of WTF that encourages kicking through prohibiting punches to the head, not because "WTF doesn't use hands." At least know what you're talking about before babbling on and on. I'm 4th degree Black in both WTF and ITF.

[Ddongcomong]

one minute loft! one minute loft!

[TAOTAO3730]

dudes...i dont care if TKD was started by karate or kung fu or something else...i saw that after many years,TKD was become very popular to the world...why?i saw that TKD become a modern martial art that fit to the modern way of life all over the world!!In a defence outside the streets is very effective against the opponent(ITF TKD)..ITF seems to me a complete martial art with hands and legs...and dont forget,in streets we wear clothes that someone can make difficult many moves!

[seolma]

Let's make this clear once and for all.

Punches are allowed to the chest in WTF, they score points. WTF has the same kicks ITF has plus some different ones.

ITF are using power, WTF are using speed and distance.

[ArsuGuille]

what is the diference of ITF-WTF?¿what we do in spain is the same i think

[kdsbsb]

@ArsuGuille depends on the gym you're practicing TKD.

[Don123q]

@ArsuGuille ITF=More traditional focuses on both hand and leg techniques. WTF=Modern version of traditional tkd. Usually focused on the sport (which is only kicking)

[BrendanKimchi]

How to fight this Tae Kwon Do guy:

1. Never be in kicking distance. Be in punching distance for some dirty boxing he can't kick you from that close.

2. Work the in and out movement when you want to throw combinations. Throw your punches and quickly move back out of range.

3. Keep your hands up, you never know.

4. Stay calm and expect the TKD guy to throw crazy kicks.

5. Look to counter after a kick is thrown because the TKD guy has his hands down at his waist.

These are just a dew things...

[JordyBT]

@BrendanKimchi Yeah, that just about sums it up apart from #1 in TKD it'sjust as easy to kick close than from a distance. And the TKD guy goes tired after a few kicks thrown.

[nashier1992]

@BrendanKimchi what you know in martial arts ? can i sparring you??

[BrendanKimchi]

@nashier1992 I have done a few years in TKD when I was younger. As I got older, I got into Brazillian jiu jitsu, wrestling, muay thai, and boxing. Naturally, I transcended my interests into MMA. I have been training with the Revolution Fight Team in Canada for about 3+ years. If this gym is unknown to you, it's where Bibiano Fernandez trains and teaches. And yes most definitely you can spar me. Search up "Revolution Fight Team Langley" and let me know. Cheers...

[Rice8Daddy]

@BrendanKimchi If you're out of kicking distance, would the TKD guy be out of punching distance?

[BrendanKimchi]

@Rice8Daddy If I understood this question right, then I believe the answer is yes. The leg is much longer than the arms. But I think I might know where you're going with this question. I think the key is to be able to get the correct rhythm for distance. For example, being out of range when the TKD fighter is kicking, and then quickly stepping into punching range to counter right after his kick. Or, by being the aggressor, swiftly step into the pocket, throw a combination, move out of range.

[areamkarim]

tkd fight like shit!

[masamune702]

awesome fight! that was a nice ridge hand at 10:41 its not just a hard punch. if you look closely, he makes contact with the side of his fist.

thats a nice move from the TKD guy.

[HotKebab]

Very disappointing, the Spirit MC fighter missed so many good opportunities for a knock out.

His head was wide open to all sorts of attacks, and was lacking basic combinations which would of worked.

He wasn't kicking much throughout the match either, a good few low kicks with the shin or soild checks could of taken out the Taekwon-do fighter's legs.

[billysue2]

both of them are worse thanthe average national standard kickboxer,dreadful handskills particularly the tkd lad

[areamkarim]

what a shame tkd.

[walkthesedogz1]

wtf athletes will alwayz be faster than itf :)

[chrisgeorgegray]

thats because WTF are athletes ITF is the true tae kwon do martial art.

[StL33T]

no WTF sparring competitors are athletes but WTF practitioners are no less martial artists than ITF

[bkcpisme]

@chrisgeorgegray you obviously don't know what you're talking about. generalizing like that is the sign of someone who doesn't know anything about martial arts.

[piccolom86]

of the side of boxing this fight wasnt good, and kicks could be better...

[MyBiii]

el taekwondista es malisimo no sabe hacer otra cosa q tirar patada circular , casi ni puños tiraba

[kenseisato1989]

lol the tkd guy used a ridge hand

great mach up both back and forth

thanks for posting

[tsd600]

what is spirit mc ?

[Liquidcadmus]

spirit mc is the south korean mma (mixed martial arts) franchise.its general level is not very high though.

[rtardx]

u know what all yall need to shut up tkd beat muay thai except and shut up

[rtardx]

proves tkd can beat muay thai at some point

[ephasm]

Lol when the TKD guy has 3kg on the muay thai guy?

And wtf is spirit MC anyways?  I don't see any muay thai here.

[AtwoodMT]

WTH is Spirit MC?

[masamune702]

Cool fight, I do ITF style TKD myself but TKD guy was avarage at best. If look at his kicks, he has little balance and bad defense against the punches.

[rauldeva]

yep the guy has little traning with punching and defense against punches but also he seems to be afraid to use a wide variety of kicks.he missed a LOT of oportunities for side kicks to the guy's ribs for example.anyway nice fight but the tkd guy doesn;t deserve such a high degree, if I remeber correcntly the black stripes on his pants mean he is 4th DAN or higher

[ephasm]

If you ever step in the ring under a much looser set of rules than tradition TKD rules then you'll understand that *most* of the kicks they teach you in TKD jsut don't work, period. Common misconception is that Muay Thai has like 2 kicks when actually they have most of the same kicks in the traditional syllabus - the fact is that the thais fight under the loosest set of stand up striking rules and found out long ago that most kicks very rarely work so they tend to stick with the few that do.

[anhkhoinguyen]

TKD basics up to black belt are front kick,round house and side kick n back kick. these kicks are used in MMA,k-1 and muay thai lol i think you seen to many movies or demo's....them flying kicks are not apart of taekwondo but demostration moves. name on form in tkd that does anything other then the four i named. take you i rest my case lol for back kicks n side kicks, see cung le or sanda-sanshou they use it all the time in kung fu vs muay thai matches, they work the proof is on the videos

[ephasm]

To be honest mate, you rarely see anything other than a roundhouse kick used in MMA - only a few people use the others - and they are exceptions.

I fight pro muay thai in the UK, and you'll find the only kicks that really get used are a push kick and a roundhouse. The others are used very VERY few and far between because generally speaking, they come with a huge weakness as well.

[billysue2]

@anhkhoinguyen neither side or front kick are effective in mma and very rarely effective in any full contact ruleset.Back kicks work as a surprise attack from time to time,ive landed a few myself in both mma and thai but didnt put them down and was a risky move.The patterns contain all tkd moves so therefore contain all kicks even the flash jump ones .Ive done itf for 17 years,most of it a joke.

[MilitantBlackGuy1]

it would be on his belt and i'm pretty sure he's 1st dan

[rauldeva]

and i'm pretty sure you have no ideea of why he has a black stripe on his pants.only 4th dan and above wear pants with black stripe.

[MilitantBlackGuy1]

I'm in ITF TAGB and all black belts have a black strip down their trousers. Oh and we're one of the biggest ITF organisations in the world.

[rauldeva]

I'm ITF as well, the ITF that is lead by Grandmaster Tran Trieu Quan, and we only have black margins on the lower parts of our dobok blouse.black stripes on pants are only from 4th degree. It's probably specific for your federation for all black belts to wear them.Which ITF are you in?

[MilitantBlackGuy1]

Grand Master Choi Hong Hi's ITF, TAGB, Taekwondo Assocciation of great britain.

[rauldeva]

Well all ITF started from Grand Master Choi Hong Hi, mainly Taekwondo began with GM Choi since he created this martial art. I did not know about TAGB ITF until now, there are many ITF organizations around the world.I knew about 3 large ITF organizations that divided at GM Choi's death, but there are others as well and clearly degree and related clothing are organization specific.I thought all ITFs had the same type of doboks but it seems I was wrong.

[MilitantBlackGuy1]

TAGB ITF is one of the main founders of ITF International. An organisation designed to bring ALL ITF styles together. Quite a few have joined..

[tsd600]

what is the difference between itf and wtf? and what is more accurate karate or tkd

[janster7]

@tsd600 Taekwondo ITF uses hands, and is allowed to punch to the face, they hold guard, and practice alot more for self defense and fighting.

WTF: Uses very much equipment, and is not allowed to punch to the face, and is very much sport related.

[anhkhoinguyen]

ITF is light contact no knocked allowed or hard face contact, wears gloves and foot pads....WTF is full contact knocks outs are allowed n happen alot, no gloves or foot pads but wear chest n head gear. they equal out due to there rules.

[sakiG]

Do you live on the moon or something??? iv been doing ITF and WTF my whole life, and wtf was always the faggish one. i dont care what you think but when i go to ITF tournaments everyone hits full contact and knocks out come and go.

Now if you live in the STATES thats a diffrent story.... america has ruined TKD.

[dss103]

yeah, our McDojos arent that good. the only martial arts styles u can get in America that are good are mixed, just like our people :)

[eoinb57]

@sakiG Very true! They have indeed ruined it!

[TKDIain]

@sakiG Everything u said there is soo true...

[MrEnorminform]

@sakiG You are the first one who said the absolut true!thanks man

[xxxN1nJa5k1LZxxx]

@sakiG there are only a few really good tkd schools in america

[montypontypudding]

WTF and ITF have some big and lots of little differences, mainly WTF cant use hand while sparring and wear chest protectors, ITF is simullar to kickboxing as in the equiptment they wear and the rules, they can use hands and legs.

karate tend to use shit loads of hand techniques, and can be very quick using them but their legs are pretty bad compared to TKD. i'd say karate is more accurate with their hands and tkd with their legs, just because thats wat they train in most.

[bkcpisme]

@montypontypudding in wtf, you're allowed to punch to the body, but not the head.

[montypontypudding]

@bkcpisme

oh yh, cheers, obvs forgot to mention tht. though you dont score points from punches

[bkcpisme]

@montypontypudding That's not entirely true. It largely depends on the judges in the ring. But for the most part, you're right, punches don't tend to score.

[DavySigfusson]

@montypontypudding

Bullshit dude... Karate and TKD are so alike it's hard to see the difference. I still haven'T, to this day, seen any Karate arm-attack or punch that doesn't have a variation in TKD. The major difference in these two arts is how they are trained. WTF-TKD usually only trains the feet because they are the most powerful weapon when you aren't allowed to punch the face in sparring while ITF-TKD only allows closed fist punches to the face in sparring so that all they use.

[DavySigfusson]

@DavySigfusson

In the end it's all about how your allowed to hurt your opponent and not about what the Martial Art contains...

[veshkeat]

@montypontypudding WTF can use hands in sparring, they do score points with them, they just dont do it in olympic competition

[k4n31985]

and because you are such a TKD warrior we can see you fighting on youtube, right?

Oh wait, we can't.

[bankai467]

lets not go internet warrior on each other okay guy

[k4n31985]

I wasn't even talking to you bankai, was I?

[JunbiSijak]

Hey ninja dude... Don`t u hav any sense to guess~?? my gosh..

[ax3ninja]

whats spirit mc? i havent watched the vid yet but ... what?

[faro0485]

The most basic of bar room brawl punch got through, OMG...

[faro0485]

A big ring eh?

[iceywolf1]

YEA ITF WON WHOO

[ZiggaC]

I'm really ashamed of people calling WTF taekwondo Traditional.... Makes no sense since ITF is the official federation set up by General Choi Hong Hi, the founder of Taekwon-do...

[ax3ninja]

yeah and itf wont ever be in the olympics showing the world a much more delveloped fighting tool than wtf.

the head of the wtf is on the olympic comitee apparently :(

[iPickMyNose10]

taekwondo is gay.

[iceywolf1]

ok how is taekwondo gay

[disturbedman360]

he should do a side turning kick fallow up witha hoock kick

[Fingyfin]

That was alright to watch!

[zaidje]

WTF IS SPIRIT MC?¿?¿?¿?¿?

[iceywolf1]

can sum 1 explain k-1 rukels to me i have onlyfoguht traditional taekwondo rule no punches to face and no hits below the belt and no hit to the back and that it

[tyebo87]

traditional TKD is ITF and punches to the face are allowed. K! follows kick boxing rules

[disturbedman360]

hits to the face are allowed

[gjcc707]

What is Spirit MC?

[jacobbis4lovers]

What's the difference betweenTaekwon-do and kickboxing?

[Bjjownsu10]

Kickboxing is karate mixed with western boxing. Taekwondo is a korean martial art that puts emphasis on kicking. They also punch, but kicking is their strenght. If you are asking which is better. I can tell you kickboxing is. Taekwondo is a wonderful art that can help you develop flexibility, power, and speed. But, its very unbalanced. Kickboxing is more balanced and more effective. But, it all depends on the figher's likes.

[jacobbis4lovers]

Thank you. I'm actually thinking about joining muay tai kickboxing AND taekwondo.

[Bjjownsu10]

Remember, Muay Thai and kickboxing ain't the same thing. Also make sure you take real taekwondo, not bullshit like the wtf.

[XD4133]

taekwondo will give you insane speed if you train long enough. muay thai has a very basic set of moves that are effective

[XD4133]

Yeah too bad they dun use hwarang do that would be sick =p

[Lenin2304]

Actually Kickboxing is the same as TKD basically + low kicks and hits with knees are allowed, all kick in Kickboxing are taken from TKD,

[Bjjownsu10]

Are you serious. You are saying kickboxing comes from taekwondo!!!!! American kickboxing comes from karate and boxing. Japanese kickboxing comes from karate and muay thai. So, taekwondo in reality might look like kickboxing, but its really not kickboxing.

[Lenin2304]

FFs dude look at all kickboxings kicks, they are exactly the fucking same as TKD

[Bjjownsu10]

Are you seriously saying shin kicks are taekwondo?

[Lenin2304]

What are shin kicks?

[Bjjownsu10]

They are kicks with your shin.

[Lenin2304]

What is shin? sry i dont know what that means

[Bjjownsu10]

The shin is the bone between your foot and knee.

[Lenin2304]

Will then no, umm, actually in Kickboxing they dont do low kicks or kicks from the side with the shin, the kick is made with the front or the upper side of the foot

[Bjjownsu10]

That's in american kickboxing, I'm talking japanase kickboxing.

[rauldeva]

shin roundhouse kick= gyong gol dollyo chagi

yes there are shin kicks in taekwond the shin is jus a kicking part called Gyong Gol/kyong gol. you can check it out in GM Choi's encyclopedia of TKD

[tyebo87]

japanese kick boxing is western boxing crossed with karate no muay thai. the shin kicks are used in kyokoshin karate and also in shotokan. Taekwondo is the old korean arts of tekkeyon and subak mixed with shotokan karate. so the guy does have a little bit of what he is saying as correct.

[Bjjownsu10]

I'm sorry, I didn't express myself correctly. Japanse kick boxing is karate and boxing with Muay Thai influence. Does that make you feel any better?

[tyebo87]

ive never herd of muay thai being part of kick boxing. just karate and boxing. karate has the shin kicks, knees and elbows so what would muay thai add to it?

[Bjjownsu10]

That's a good question!!!!!!!!! I never thought about it. All I know is that the founder of the japanese kickboxing studied muay thai and created kickboxing.

[ddandbd]

good shout

you know your stuff:)

[zaidje]

kick boxing you are allowed to do low kick

[MaDrung]

Ahahaha at 10:04 look at asian on the right :D

ahahahahaha

[ubersum1]

lol at the description

it's not K-1 rules if you wear foot guards is it?

the event doesn't look like a k-1 style event either.

[janster7]

ITF rulez wtf.

Wtf is mutch more like a sport to me.

Itf focus more on real combat than wtf.

[billysue2]

all tkd is a joke in combat

[janster7]

No????

[kdsbsb]

ITF is cooler than WTF

[JinXuanJun]

i should've learned itf, but i had to get my black belt, i was too into wtf at that time o well.

[BJBezeme]

@kdsbsb Taekwondo is coller than this Federation conflict

[kdsbsb]

@BJBezeme well i agree...the federation conflict is political and it sucks. but still i prefer the ITF style.

[luispeacepunk]

GO ITF!

[janster7]

CHEERS MATE!:)

[AliceKimWastesUrTime]

Go ITF!

[kenseisato1989]

damm that was a ridge hand... its eleagle, but i enjoyed that fight eaven if both fighters hands werent covering their face when they punched.

[kickboxeur]

taekwondo is a chicken fleeing

[fitemarketing]

Gracias por poner los videos hacia días que los estaba buscando y solo logre ver el de Ariel Alemanno vs Matias Ramos y bueno los que hay de la competición por ahí.

Taekwon

[JuYokuGoOSeisu]

En dónde encontraste el de Alemanno vs Matias Ramos? Pasame el link por mensaje privado si podés, porque no se pueden postear acá. Gracias!

[segismundoalcolico]

what is Spirit MC?

[JuYokuGoOSeisu]

Es una organización tipo K-1 de Corea.

Acá hay info:

tkdfamily (punto) net/home/news/en_board_view.ph­p?serial=73&page=1&tablename=e n_NoticeSetting

[segismundoalcolico]

gracias amigo .saludos

[JuYokuGoOSeisu]

De nada!!

[heartlessKOR]

wat is this event? do u have the site or any info on this event?

[JuYokuGoOSeisu]

See the link in the descritpion.