Kathleen Battle had (or for all I know, has) a wonderful voice. BUT IMHO her musicianship, interpretation and acting ability were/are completely eclipsed by Natalie Dessay. That of course is not the reason Battle essentially quit singing opera. Battle became an obnoxious, neurotic, pain in the ass for all around her. Natalie is like many of the best singers... friendly, cooperative, fun loving and a general fun to work with person
WHAT IS THIS!!????, IT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC!!!!!!!!
Anyone, and I mean anyone, who truly loves this music MUST listen to Kathleen Battle amazing "Et incarnatus est"--Surely the way Mozart intended it to be preformed.
oh que hermosura de voz, canta como los angeles, o bueno no se si los angeles canten asi de hermoso, esto si es musica no todas esas tonterias que ahora escuchan los jovenes, yo tengo 16 año y aprecio esto, no se como otras personas de mi edad detesten tanto esta musica
To all of you who listened to this nice performance-- you should also listen to
Kathleen Battle's amazing "et incarnatus est". Her shimmering voice defies description. Perhaps it could be described as "Absolute Perfection", or " Simply extraordinary"---Her voice takes the listener to Heaven and holds him there.
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Technically decent, aside from a couple of late attacks, but rather disconnected; some of the high notes seem carelessly blasted rather than mindfully and gently sung. She just doesn't seem to be into this piece on any real level.
I think that Dessay has a beautiful voice but not the respect needed to sing these pieces.She's kinda full of herself,eager to show what she's got,but not to pay her respects to this sublime music.Some opera singers are too attracted by the media and the fame that they forget about music.
No wonder she has had vocal nodes several times -- check out 1:03, 3:02 and loads of other places -- she sings right on the cords. She has a lovely instrument and is a good musician. Only if she knew how to 'sing' (had a good technique) she'd be in a league with Popp, Sutherland, Sills . . .
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i love her too! she's really graced! but i think the beginning must be less! less voice, less tempo, less everything. the words are so important that the notes dont need to accentuate the fact: et in carnatus est........PLS listen to masterclass E. SCHWARZKOPF
I saw a interview with Dessay when she says that she's anxious, she just can't keep quiet when singing. Even with this Mozart she keeps moving her arms and using her body to help her administrate that. She's so clever. This woman's brilliant.
the conductor is Louis Langree. I had the joy of broadcasting live Natalie's and Mr Langree's concert in Bucharest in the Enescu Festival 2009 this fall, with the same piece - Great Mass in c minor by Mozart, and to assist at the rehearsals. Joy!!!!
Interesting. She's not the steadiest or "polished" singer I've heard, a little too dramatic and off-road sometimes for my taste, but at some parts she's brilliant, especially at the high tones. Expressionistic and very emotional. I could personally do without the gesticulation thing, it tends to disturb the impression. But she's definetely special.
@Arjunaismyname Don't forget that this is a rehearsal. It looks to me as though she is doing the "huh"/little gasp trick in order to bring her vocal cords into alignment so as to get a crisp clear sound on the high note that is coming.
I agree: her voice is a wonder, so clear and high. And the intro. little clip with the conductor is amusing. Jolicrasseux should translate it, or I will if you like.
I love this clip of Dessay. She is mesmerising and the voice, picks you up and carries you along. She is not just an astounding voice but also a brilliant musician. And after her operation he voice is a little more smooth, more musical and her musical talent expanding still.
Her voice will eventually lose the 'easy' high tones like all singers that get older, it is not the operation that has matured Dessays voice.
Gives me goosebumps. I love Natalie Dessay... I discovered her voice on the radio, it is so pure and beautiful. (I find a lot of sopranos are annoying to listen to...)
I had never heard of Natalie Dessay. On Amazon I listened (literally) to her first 5 notes of Rachmaninoff's Vocalise. I immediately bought that CD, and as my discovery over the years of her great body of work has grown, I too feel she is some perfect jewel that landed on this earth to beautify everything she touches.
I know right? and her high notes...I don't think that there's a human being that can sing a high A AND make it sound like Dessay.....Dessay's high notes are like....a bird singing or a perfect violin....
When I bought that first CD, I bought extra copies for my voice teacher, for the MN opera accompanist who coached me for the Gliere - must re-audition every year - 15 years (chorus, I'm no diva). My mentally disabled son went bonkers over her high notes-loved the Russian track. Shamed to say I only got cable 9 months ago. I'm floored at the incredible singers I didn't know existed til Youtube. What I didn't know! - Diana Damrau's Queen?vocal & acting: So EVIL & fabulous. Dessay's acting? WOW!
Yeah I was so shocked as well..yes Dessay has said that she prefers acting to singing and that she would prefer 100 times to hear "natalie cant sing" than "natalie cant act"....haha! imagine how great she would be if she prefered things the other way around! As it comes to your carreer, congratulations and you shud post a video of your singing...And as it comes to our divas, for queen of the night, Edda Moser's singing is the most scarry...and about dessay's acting...try "dessay pale et blonde"
Yes, she's amazing. I appreciate your story except that I assure you that you needn't be shamed that it took you a long time to get cable: I'm proud to have dropped it! Yes, it offers much, but much of it is a waste of time. Unless you meant cable, as in high-speed internet, which of course allows all kinds of things! Then, congratulations and enjoy even more!
Oh, yes I did mean I went from 56 modum to high speed cable 9 months ago. Actually what lit a fire under me was the switch from analog TV to digital. So I just went ahead & changed my internet & phone service also. I want to note that this does appear to be a recording session. I've seen others here. I like to watch them, as they give insight to how the singer thinks technique. All those analogies singers are taught to produce a beautiful sound. You can't see that in performance mode.
This looks like a rehearsal tape. Dessay is working through the piece, using her hands to gauge the breath control necessary. It's a little on the provisional end. Still, a wonderful singer.
@Bahia82 Kathleen Battle had, or has for all I know, a great voice and a lot of talent using it. Unfortunately her neurotic behavior essentially ruined her career. I have become a real fan of Dessay's and pay attention to her behavior, which is discernible in a lot of the rehearsal/interview stuff on YT. From that emerges a person who gives everyone around her friendliness and room to be. That has got to be helping her living such a hectic life.
Que suerte tienes en haber oido a un angel. Yo nunca ni he visto ni he oido cantar a un angel, asi que no puedo decir que si esta fulana tiene o no voz de angel.
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encore mieux: Gardiner avec Barbara Bonney, Anne Sofie van Otter, Anthony Rolfe Johnson et Alistair Milnes. Enregistrement video de Barcelone. Sublime!!!
Thanks, I wondered. As much as I LOVE Nathalie Dessay, I still can't help but realise again why Mozart is not approved for canonical or liturgical use...
what stupid remark: she should not move her arms...She is an artist and expressing herself. Are you going to tell her or us what one is supposed to do? Things can change and should. See her for what she is, and she is pretty subtle in this piece.
Who created the NO MOVEMENT OF the Arms for singers?
Then you says: she is an artist and should not move the arms!!!!! ok then watch the singers who do not move the arms then. I listen Dieskau on Lied and he did not move the arms at all but he is so boring!!! sorry
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C'est franchement pas terrible. Je ne parle même pas de ses gestes et ses grimaces (on se demande pourquoi) mais du côté strictement musical et vocal. Sic ça'est chanter du Mozart, alors je ne comprends plus rien à Barbara Bonney, Arleen Auger et surtout à Kathleen Battle, toutes mozartiennes jusqu'au bout des ongles. M'enfin...
Ca ne veut rien dire. Mozart n'a pas dit comment faire pour chanter ce morcceaux. Chacun apporte sa touche personnelle et Kat Battle n'est qu'une chanteuse parmi d'autres.
Chacun a sa manière propre et independante de chanter Mozart. Chaque interprétation est différente, et aucune chanteuse ne sert de référence absolue, hormis les précurseurs qui ont été les premières à l'interpreter. Je rappelle que Natalie Dessay est en répétition et donc qu'elle peut tout se permettre, c'est son droit de faire comme bon lui semble.
There's no better rendition of "Et incarnatus est" than Kathleen Battle's one. A voice of heaven for this piece. Check it for yourself in youtube. Than we can talk.
I don't think "freaky" or "bizarre" is the right word to describe her during the peter grimes broadcast. Perhaps quirky, and no fan of Dessay would ever deny this. Indeed it is this quirkiness that has made her portrayals of Lucia, Olympia, and Ophelie so fresh and unique.
Elle n'est quand même pas une mauvaise musicienne, elle n'a pas non plus volé sa notoriété. Toutefois son instrument ne lui permet pas tout. Chanter Traviata par exemple (annoncé pour 2009, je crois). Sa voix, et je dis bien sa voix, manque de profondeur et d'harmoniques. Et ce n'est pas parce qu'elle a fait de bonnes choses (comme Olympia) qu'il faut crier au génie à tous les coups. Il y a des choses qu'elle sait faire, d'autres pas. Sa Sophie était très bien, voilà une voie à suivre par ex...
my god! her high note in 1.03 was just heavenly. but i didn't like it how she cut the line in 1.18. but over all, this is a very inspired performance.
Un bonne instinct et une jolie voix à la base. Pour le reste je ne vois pas ce qu'on lui trouve. Elle m'énerve en tant qu'actrice, c'est juste une hyperactive. Elle gueule souvent au lieu de chanter forte et met la voix en gorge et parfois dans le nez pour essayer de donner du grave. Pas de défaut flagrant et persistant mais plein de petites instabilités qui brisent tout. Qu'on ne dise pas "qu'elle est dans son truc", pour moi elle ne pense qu'à éviter ses erreurs en remuant et grimaçant ainsi.
Merci Bugage pour votre commentaire. En effet, Dessay, (surtout dans le belcanto) est parfaitement inexpressive (ce qu'elle essaie de compenser par une agitation corporelle), la voix, mis à part feu son suraigue, est assez insipide, peu riche en harmonies. Pour cette Messe écoutons donc Maria Stader ou Christiane Oelze. Toutefois, on peut comprendre qu'elle ne veuille pas chanter Olympia jusqu'à la fin de ces jours...
Sa gesticule est justifiée car le public est relativement loin de la scene et il la voit plus expressive si elle exagere certain mouvements. Pour moi, Dessay est superbe dans sa capacité à varier le volume, et donc à rendre l'emotion plus intense. Si elle fait des grimaces, ce n'est pas parce qu'elle fait des erreurs, mais parce que c'est la nature. Ceux qui ne grimacent pas, c'est pour donner l'impression de facilité. Mais l'être est plus important et plus beau que le paraître.
Un vrai chanteur n'a pas besoin de donner une impression de facilité. C'est par l'aisance dans sa voix qu'on distingue un bon chanteur. Sans quoi les meilleurs chanteurs et chanteuses ne finiraient pas leur carrière avec leur vie. Que trouvez-vous à sa musique? Le répertoire autant que l'interprétation sont communs. Sa modulation d'intensité est faible pour une voix d'opéra. En vérité, on ne parle que des mauvaises musiciennes acceptant d'être pipole (cf Hélène Grimaud, Sandrine Piau...).
I think I said it in a previous post, but yes I agree too. Her recording with Abbado is one of the - if not THE best - recording of the "Et incarnatus est".
I simply love this video wether she is at her best or not, because she is genuine and forget herself and let her feelings come out not only by her singing, but by her unconsciously moving of her arms too, as if she is conducting herself.
Let's keep moderate both ways; Natalie Dessay sure doesn't deserve her 1st rank in YT search "Et incarnatus est"; yet remains very good. For me: Heaven: Sylvia McNair; Earth: Maria Stader (on the old score); Sumi Jo (yes! imperfect yet moving); Barbara Boney (harmed by poor audio); Arleen Auger (wish see her at 25!); etc, etc, ND (harmed by clip and conductor comment - not so bad though).
(seeing AA in 5th position shows in which heavenly company you are!)
well, i think sumi jo is a machine. in the bad way. shes a robot. no feelings at all. im not attacking you, i just wanted to share my thoughts with you.
I see how one can feel Sumi Jo a robot at start, but she deserves IMO better attention. This is why I just posted another comment on her version, see v=ox7pVUrznBg#spcx2tjDPHs "SHORT WATCH: 06:35 to 08:40".
Now I don't know if this music is too heavenly, or me too earthly, but each time I hear one of these wonderful singers I find her the best of all. However each one remains a human with her (albeit tiny) flaws. And let's remember, in their available versions, Sumi Jo (born 1962) was 31, Bonney and McNair (1956) ~35, Dessay (1965) 41, Auger (1939) 52.
Really not good. Does she believe she is in a zoo or what? Generally I like what she is doing but not on this one. Try Karthäuser or Bonney on this one. Much much better.
It`s the worst "Et Incarnatus" I ever listen! Schriek scriek, even my theeth ache! Miss Dessay should listen Maria Stader or Arleen Auger singing this most beautiful piece and learn how it must be sang...
I just heard her again. I am struck... Beautiful as she is (and not only in voice) she *owes* to us all to redo this video, complete, and rid of her faults (several false notes - from such a singer!) and her conductor's (did he ever learn that any famous conductor refrains himself for all his career from polluting his own music with a single word in or around concerts and recordings?)
Now that "vivelapolice" has shown his Language skills (IT, FR, EN), I hope he'll express his - valuable - POVs in the language everyone understands. Meanwhile, translating his last one:
« Natalie's intra-psychic struggles (the voice she has and the one she wishes.... she is a singer and would like to be an actress...) tell in parts how her voice is crumbling. Psy, come on! She is on Callas' track... »
Dessay is wonderful here. Yet she will immediately sound pale to you if ever you fall on the original whom she visibly learnt from: "Et incarnatus est" by Sylvia McNair/Gardiner will really break your heart. See CD "Mozart for the Millennium": Mozart's 14 most moving arias, purest sopranos earth ever heard (each the best for the particular aria), finest conducting, perfect recording.
Les conflits intra-psychiques de Natalie (la voix qu'elle a et celle qu'elle voudrait....) elle est chanteuse et voudrait être comédienne... expliquent en partie comment sa voix se détruit. Psychanalyse vite ! Elle suit le chemin de callas...
This gives an interesting (and accurate IMO) explanation of Natalie's (wonderful) pluses and (minor yet unfortunate) minuses. Worth a translation - see mine of 2007-0918.1544 GMT (sorry I didn't think in time to post it in the right place).
She didn't pronounce it wrongly. Dessay is using the constructed Classical Pronunciation of Latin, which is based on many linguistical studies about how Latin would sound in its classical times. It's considered by some the most "trustful" pronunciation of Latin. So Dessay is completely correct, she simply didn't use the Italian way of pronouncing Latin, which is the most common one. ;-)
non é calante, é semplicemente un suono dissonanate rispetto all'accordo. La sig.ra Dessay, in quanto cantante d'opera, é sia una cantante che un'attrice. Perché questo é lo scopo del RECITAR CANTANDO!
La Dessay è un artista OK ! Come tutti gli artisti puo sbagliare. L'interpretazione di questa messa in dominore K427 è fuori stile (la linea nel canto mozartiano è principale) Bellini is not mozart ! I am from the Opera national de Paris ;)
In wich letter... hum ? You are allowed to sing in your bathroom with a helmet on your head and thinking you are Brünlide ! What Mozart told you about that ?? ah ah ah :)) Your not a singer that's obvious bless you !!
Firstly, I hope we can have an intelligent discourse and not fight. Mozart does clearly value the use of portamento, please refer to his letters of 7 March, 1778 and 2 July 1783, both to his father. I will write again as I am able to discover more references.
Dovresti sapere che la pronuncia del latino si fa alla vaticana, alla tedesca, alla galicana. In Mozart si pronuncia "Kürié EléiZON", "AK'nus", "Virghine" (parli tanto ma conosci poco) TVB lo stesso xche non è il tuo mestiere CIAO ;)
1)il mio commento sul modo di pronunciare la parola VIRGINE, era solo una battuta, ma ho colmato una mia ignoranza, io conoscevo solo la pronuncia all'italiana!. 2) il modo di cantare la messa di Mozart può piacere o meno(a me piace!)
3) il fatto che tu sia del teatro dell'opera di Parigi, cosa c'entra, me lo spieghi? ti rende automaticamente un esperto di canto? diffido degli esperti di canto...
Ti parlo di estetica musicale non di una qualsiasi opinione. Sono cantante(03:03 dovrebbe essere la stessa nota!) Ho cantato con N.Dessay e R.Alagna) Ti canto la figlia del regimento quando vuoi amore;) Lei si sta rovinando la voce...mi sa xche ?? TVB lo stesso (Der frühlingstimmenwaltzer ... altro che !!!)
sovrumana...il legato è semplicemente perfetto... mai sentita una cosa del genere...la falicità con cui canta una delle arie più difficili scritte per soprano mozza semplicemente il fiato...
Natalie Dessay qu'on se le dise ...techniquement elle est hallucinante tous ceux qui font du chant l'avouent, les vocalises d'un trait hyper claires...et la musicalitée, la puissance ,la comédie...faut etre sncere !!! je l'adore !!!!! viva Natalie
Natalie's singing of the Et Incarnatus is simply tres bien! No, it's ethereal, beautiful and be can be placed alongside Arleen Auger's sublime account with Leonard Bernstein. Oh, I just love her Morgana in Handel's Alcina with William Christie and his Les Arts Florissants (what a baroque ensemble!)especially that devastating aria "Tornami a vagheggiar" at the end of Act I. Check it out Handel lovers! You will not be disappointed. SD Goh
Bravo N Dessay!
asgeirandersen 2 weeks ago
Kathleen Battle had (or for all I know, has) a wonderful voice. BUT IMHO her musicianship, interpretation and acting ability were/are completely eclipsed by Natalie Dessay. That of course is not the reason Battle essentially quit singing opera. Battle became an obnoxious, neurotic, pain in the ass for all around her. Natalie is like many of the best singers... friendly, cooperative, fun loving and a general fun to work with person
MrHbc3 2 months ago in playlist Natalie Dessay
WHAT IS THIS!!????, IT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC!!!!!!!!
Anyone, and I mean anyone, who truly loves this music MUST listen to Kathleen Battle amazing "Et incarnatus est"--Surely the way Mozart intended it to be preformed.
inhawaii12 3 months ago
Que de maniérismes inutiles ..... Carrière complètement surestimée... L'histoire mettra de l'ordre...
NemanjaFan 4 months ago
@NemanjaFan HAHA! oui c'est ça..l'histoire se souviendra encore longtemps de cette artiste exceptionnelle...
jhvorotin 3 months ago
@jhvorotin Mais peut-être pas pour les motifs que vous pensez .... ^^
NemanjaFan 3 months ago
@NemanjaFan tout à fait d'accrod!
agliso 1 month ago
@agliso d'accord (je dois avoir envie de mordre en écoutant N Dessay!)
agliso 1 month ago
Génial !
azdbio 4 months ago
oh que hermosura de voz, canta como los angeles, o bueno no se si los angeles canten asi de hermoso, esto si es musica no todas esas tonterias que ahora escuchan los jovenes, yo tengo 16 año y aprecio esto, no se como otras personas de mi edad detesten tanto esta musica
sonicfanatica 4 months ago in playlist Videos marcados como favoritos por sonicfanatica
C'est une merveille de beauté, de musicalité, de la magie pure.......
Harpagone1 4 months ago
To all of you who listened to this nice performance-- you should also listen to
Kathleen Battle's amazing "et incarnatus est". Her shimmering voice defies description. Perhaps it could be described as "Absolute Perfection", or " Simply extraordinary"---Her voice takes the listener to Heaven and holds him there.
There is no equal to it...
martteemart 6 months ago
wow wow wow no había yo escuchado esta hermosa canción con Natalie!! es genial!! viva coloratura...
Cesarpue83 7 months ago
Such vulgarity from Dessay here. Very disappointing.
Jitpring 7 months ago
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horseloversi44 7 months ago
her voice is so smoothh!!!!!!!!
SeezyProductions 8 months ago
Technically decent, aside from a couple of late attacks, but rather disconnected; some of the high notes seem carelessly blasted rather than mindfully and gently sung. She just doesn't seem to be into this piece on any real level.
OlDoinyo 8 months ago
In addition, all these theatrical movements she makes during her singing are really unnecessary and irrelevant to the text.
minakontog 10 months ago
She is indeed a very good artist, but whenever she reaches a high tone she becomes very dramatical. This is oratorio, not opera... :-(
minakontog 10 months ago
Guau!! que genialidad, no puedo parar de escuchar semejante voz e interpretacion!!
Bravisima, maravillosa Natalie
natuchamar 11 months ago
I think that Dessay has a beautiful voice but not the respect needed to sing these pieces.She's kinda full of herself,eager to show what she's got,but not to pay her respects to this sublime music.Some opera singers are too attracted by the media and the fame that they forget about music.
VforVespa 11 months ago
When I listen to Dessay's work, it's like my heart breaks and mends itself over and over again. Beautiful.
VegaRocksTheRoses 11 months ago 2
No wonder she has had vocal nodes several times -- check out 1:03, 3:02 and loads of other places -- she sings right on the cords. She has a lovely instrument and is a good musician. Only if she knew how to 'sing' (had a good technique) she'd be in a league with Popp, Sutherland, Sills . . .
mwk12kev 1 year ago
the hands are very distracting...
flaze3 1 year ago
qui peut bien mettre qu'il n'aime pas !!!!! dans les "j'aime j'aime pas" !!!!!
elimaceram 1 year ago
The very voice of God.
MrBillymartines 1 year ago
J'aime bcp.
SandrineSoprano 1 year ago
ESTI
1234561427 1 year ago
Vous pourriez mettre mon nom! j'ai filmé monté et réalisé ce film!
1234561427 1 year ago
@1234561427
Volontiers, mais faudrait-il que je le connaisse !!!
jolicrasseux 1 year ago
EXTRAIT DE MON FILM : NATALIE DESSAY MOZART MASS IN C MINOR
ESTI
1234561427 1 year ago
@1234561427
Je ne peux que vous crier ma gratitude et mon admiration ! Ces moments sont vrais, beaux, dignes d'être vus par le monde entier... et nous vous les devons ! Merci infiniment !
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Was hat sich Mozart nur dabei gedacht? ;)
simonmontanaro 1 year ago
was hat sich mozart nur dabei gedacht? ;)
simonmontanaro 1 year ago
3:05 to the end is the most magical music i have heard
sour7lemon 1 year ago
mozart is the sky and the stars!!!
TheCancio68 1 year ago
@TheCancio68 And the moon and the sun. :)
operagirl81 1 year ago
Just wonderful...
SidneyLosstarot 1 year ago
Eu não me canso de ver esse vídeo!!!!!!!!!! \o
TheBrightLilith 1 year ago
1.50...
sveiksveiki 1 year ago
this is so beautiful!
jomoses07 1 year ago 6
she's amazing... gifted voice, gifted talent... she always gives me the goosebumps... amazing!!!!!!!!
Caifan79 1 year ago 9
absolutly beautiful - no comment-the best on the world-
my love Natalia-tom -drummer of led zeppelin revival prague
tomaskejr 1 year ago 2
i love her too! she's really graced! but i think the beginning must be less! less voice, less tempo, less everything. the words are so important that the notes dont need to accentuate the fact: et in carnatus est........PLS listen to masterclass E. SCHWARZKOPF
newhotmailit 1 year ago
This "et incarnatus" is much less sombre than Bach's one! but the two are magnificent in their own way. Very vivid and convincing singing Mme Dessay.
kalduglun 2 years ago 5
Well everything is great here, the soloist, the orchestra and the conducting.
xav71176 2 years ago 8
It seems to me as if she gave birth to the 'Incarnatus' in the true sense of the word - a parturition with all its efforts and joys.
Thank you for posting this.
preruminator 2 years ago 5
I want to sing like she does:)
yh00yoonyoo 2 years ago 5
me to:)
silvija73 1 year ago
Me three!
LadyOlivia35 1 year ago
I saw a interview with Dessay when she says that she's anxious, she just can't keep quiet when singing. Even with this Mozart she keeps moving her arms and using her body to help her administrate that. She's so clever. This woman's brilliant.
RamirRMA 2 years ago 12
this woman is my angel.....
killerbunny123123 2 years ago 4
the conductor is Louis Langree. I had the joy of broadcasting live Natalie's and Mr Langree's concert in Bucharest in the Enescu Festival 2009 this fall, with the same piece - Great Mass in c minor by Mozart, and to assist at the rehearsals. Joy!!!!
pianopedia 2 years ago 10
MAGNÍFICO !!!!
anasoprana 2 years ago 7
Tell me, please. Who is this amazing conductor???:)))
It's wonderful suppoting of musician.
JuliaSOPRANO 2 years ago 9
Interesting. She's not the steadiest or "polished" singer I've heard, a little too dramatic and off-road sometimes for my taste, but at some parts she's brilliant, especially at the high tones. Expressionistic and very emotional. I could personally do without the gesticulation thing, it tends to disturb the impression. But she's definetely special.
Arjunaismyname 2 years ago 2
@Arjunaismyname Don't forget that this is a rehearsal. It looks to me as though she is doing the "huh"/little gasp trick in order to bring her vocal cords into alignment so as to get a crisp clear sound on the high note that is coming.
I agree: her voice is a wonder, so clear and high. And the intro. little clip with the conductor is amusing. Jolicrasseux should translate it, or I will if you like.
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Very, very beautifull
JuliaSOPRANO 2 years ago 2
I love this clip of Dessay. She is mesmerising and the voice, picks you up and carries you along. She is not just an astounding voice but also a brilliant musician. And after her operation he voice is a little more smooth, more musical and her musical talent expanding still.
Her voice will eventually lose the 'easy' high tones like all singers that get older, it is not the operation that has matured Dessays voice.
Her voice still remains a thing of magic.
kinakina123123 2 years ago 27
Gives me goosebumps. I love Natalie Dessay... I discovered her voice on the radio, it is so pure and beautiful. (I find a lot of sopranos are annoying to listen to...)
HydeAricia 2 years ago 7
what a musician.... what a singer
wonderkarl 2 years ago 3
at 4:19 se makes an expression like: ups! what could it be?
McSarnaman 2 years ago
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I lo ve nataile, but I guess the religious works of mozart and bach need special expertise...this sounds too operaic
qyzuf 2 years ago
что она руками делает?это отвлекает!а так-супер!!!
KatrinSoprano 2 years ago
Beautiful! Very good technique! :)
thelyricalvoice 2 years ago 3
dessay is perfection......no seriously, she is like an angel incarnated into a human's body...that's no daily perfection, it's...DIVINE perfeciton
killerbunny123123 2 years ago 3
I had never heard of Natalie Dessay. On Amazon I listened (literally) to her first 5 notes of Rachmaninoff's Vocalise. I immediately bought that CD, and as my discovery over the years of her great body of work has grown, I too feel she is some perfect jewel that landed on this earth to beautify everything she touches.
tuadolcefanciulla 2 years ago 10
I know right? and her high notes...I don't think that there's a human being that can sing a high A AND make it sound like Dessay.....Dessay's high notes are like....a bird singing or a perfect violin....
killerbunny123123 2 years ago 10
When I bought that first CD, I bought extra copies for my voice teacher, for the MN opera accompanist who coached me for the Gliere - must re-audition every year - 15 years (chorus, I'm no diva). My mentally disabled son went bonkers over her high notes-loved the Russian track. Shamed to say I only got cable 9 months ago. I'm floored at the incredible singers I didn't know existed til Youtube. What I didn't know! - Diana Damrau's Queen?vocal & acting: So EVIL & fabulous. Dessay's acting? WOW!
tuadolcefanciulla 2 years ago 3
Yeah I was so shocked as well..yes Dessay has said that she prefers acting to singing and that she would prefer 100 times to hear "natalie cant sing" than "natalie cant act"....haha! imagine how great she would be if she prefered things the other way around! As it comes to your carreer, congratulations and you shud post a video of your singing...And as it comes to our divas, for queen of the night, Edda Moser's singing is the most scarry...and about dessay's acting...try "dessay pale et blonde"
killerbunny123123 2 years ago
Yes, she's amazing. I appreciate your story except that I assure you that you needn't be shamed that it took you a long time to get cable: I'm proud to have dropped it! Yes, it offers much, but much of it is a waste of time. Unless you meant cable, as in high-speed internet, which of course allows all kinds of things! Then, congratulations and enjoy even more!
3cplantin 2 years ago 5
Oh, yes I did mean I went from 56 modum to high speed cable 9 months ago. Actually what lit a fire under me was the switch from analog TV to digital. So I just went ahead & changed my internet & phone service also. I want to note that this does appear to be a recording session. I've seen others here. I like to watch them, as they give insight to how the singer thinks technique. All those analogies singers are taught to produce a beautiful sound. You can't see that in performance mode.
tuadolcefanciulla 2 years ago 7
grandissima dessay.....
vincik80 2 years ago 6
This looks like a rehearsal tape. Dessay is working through the piece, using her hands to gauge the breath control necessary. It's a little on the provisional end. Still, a wonderful singer.
Azzenstudent 2 years ago 3
I really looove Natalie and she's singing great here,but personally,I like barbara bonney's version (of this piece) better
silvija73 2 years ago 2
the high notes are terrible!
GTestarossa 2 years ago
no, awesome.
PeregrinTooc 2 years ago
Dessay is always good no doubt, but when it comes to mozart, Kathleen battle is the best. but props to Dessay she is a joy to listen to all the same
Bahia82 3 years ago
and kathleen is nothing compares to popp
yomisma77 2 years ago
@Bahia82 Kathleen Battle had, or has for all I know, a great voice and a lot of talent using it. Unfortunately her neurotic behavior essentially ruined her career. I have become a real fan of Dessay's and pay attention to her behavior, which is discernible in a lot of the rehearsal/interview stuff on YT. From that emerges a person who gives everyone around her friendliness and room to be. That has got to be helping her living such a hectic life.
MrHbc3 8 months ago
Natalie tienes una voz de angel
luisincalvicies23 3 years ago 17
Que suerte tienes en haber oido a un angel. Yo nunca ni he visto ni he oido cantar a un angel, asi que no puedo decir que si esta fulana tiene o no voz de angel.
sweetvlc 2 years ago
"Gardiner, John Eliot ©; McNair Sylvia (soprano); Montague, Diana (soprano); Johnson, Anthony Rolfe (tenor); Hauptmann, Cornelius (bass): Monteverdi Choir; English Baroque Soloists" référence de la version qui m'a bouleversée!
angele33 3 years ago
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encore mieux: Gardiner avec Barbara Bonney, Anne Sofie van Otter, Anthony Rolfe Johnson et Alistair Milnes. Enregistrement video de Barcelone. Sublime!!!
amballa 3 years ago
Thanks, I wondered. As much as I LOVE Nathalie Dessay, I still can't help but realise again why Mozart is not approved for canonical or liturgical use...
UlfenDaddy 3 years ago
Really? Care to elaborate a little?
anttyj 2 years ago
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average Barbara Bonney is where it's at.
elessar2k49 3 years ago
Wondelful!!!
emilleds 3 years ago 2
tout simplement divine.
vdhelst 3 years ago 3
This is a rehersal , anyway she should not move her arms?
ilbacioditosca 3 years ago
what stupid remark: she should not move her arms...She is an artist and expressing herself. Are you going to tell her or us what one is supposed to do? Things can change and should. See her for what she is, and she is pretty subtle in this piece.
vdhelst 3 years ago
Who created the NO MOVEMENT OF the Arms for singers?
Then you says: she is an artist and should not move the arms!!!!! ok then watch the singers who do not move the arms then. I listen Dieskau on Lied and he did not move the arms at all but he is so boring!!! sorry
ilbacioditosca 3 years ago
In rehearsal, she has all the rights. And she never moves her arms in recitals and concerts
jhvorotin 3 years ago 2
she's rehearsing the rhythm
lmsubramaniam 3 years ago
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C'est franchement pas terrible. Je ne parle même pas de ses gestes et ses grimaces (on se demande pourquoi) mais du côté strictement musical et vocal. Sic ça'est chanter du Mozart, alors je ne comprends plus rien à Barbara Bonney, Arleen Auger et surtout à Kathleen Battle, toutes mozartiennes jusqu'au bout des ongles. M'enfin...
iTubeVlc 3 years ago
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Je ne peut qu'être d'accord. Hélas!
Elle doit vraiment revoir ses concepts sur Mozart. Dommage.
masettoallegro 3 years ago
Ca ne veut rien dire. Mozart n'a pas dit comment faire pour chanter ce morcceaux. Chacun apporte sa touche personnelle et Kat Battle n'est qu'une chanteuse parmi d'autres.
jhvorotin 3 years ago
Chacun a sa manière propre et independante de chanter Mozart. Chaque interprétation est différente, et aucune chanteuse ne sert de référence absolue, hormis les précurseurs qui ont été les premières à l'interpreter. Je rappelle que Natalie Dessay est en répétition et donc qu'elle peut tout se permettre, c'est son droit de faire comme bon lui semble.
jhvorotin 3 years ago 2
There's no better rendition of "Et incarnatus est" than Kathleen Battle's one. A voice of heaven for this piece. Check it for yourself in youtube. Than we can talk.
sweetvlc 3 years ago
battle bitch sucks: no powerful impression what so ever. Who are you anyway to tell us what we should look on you tube. We won't start talking.
vdhelst 3 years ago
c est peut etre un peu trop energique pour un aria d une messe !! mais quelle chanteuse extraordinaire!!!!
cecilefornerod 3 years ago
...charming! :-)
cellomar87 3 years ago 6
Beautiful!
egrosz 3 years ago 6
on s en fout de l avis du mec au début !!!
je trouve cette version un peu speed quand meme;
son interpretation me semble + energique et volontaire qu' éthérée et magique ;
de + il y a un LA un peu flou vers 1.50 non?
malikati 3 years ago
great voice but what a freaky soprano...her intro and interviews during peter grimes broadcast were bizarre
tadroqs 3 years ago
yy? why did she say? do you have any archive of that?
nikol1981 3 years ago
I don't think "freaky" or "bizarre" is the right word to describe her during the peter grimes broadcast. Perhaps quirky, and no fan of Dessay would ever deny this. Indeed it is this quirkiness that has made her portrayals of Lucia, Olympia, and Ophelie so fresh and unique.
operaphan88 3 years ago 6
Je suis d'accord avec tout ce que Bugage89 dit
LeSucreCuitier 3 years ago
Je suis d'accord avec tout ce que Bugage89 dit
LeSucreCuitier 3 years ago
ses aigus sont bons-pour le reste sa voix prendra ce kil faut de maturité avec l'âge(c'est le mieux kon puisse lui souhaiter pour la traviata)
tresseane 3 years ago
Et puis depuis quand sandrine Piau est pipole?
wotansings 3 years ago
Sandrine Piau est très bien dans son répertoire baroque. Quant à la "gesticulation", ce qui chantent ignoreront certains commentaires imbéciles.
colombineann 3 years ago
Elle n'est quand même pas une mauvaise musicienne, elle n'a pas non plus volé sa notoriété. Toutefois son instrument ne lui permet pas tout. Chanter Traviata par exemple (annoncé pour 2009, je crois). Sa voix, et je dis bien sa voix, manque de profondeur et d'harmoniques. Et ce n'est pas parce qu'elle a fait de bonnes choses (comme Olympia) qu'il faut crier au génie à tous les coups. Il y a des choses qu'elle sait faire, d'autres pas. Sa Sophie était très bien, voilà une voie à suivre par ex...
wotansings 3 years ago
Oui, I agree, this voice is so petite it just doesn't 'sing' these amazing lines openly. Je ne parle pas Francais, mais, lesboreades, dit bon!
requiemsinger 3 years ago
my god! her high note in 1.03 was just heavenly. but i didn't like it how she cut the line in 1.18. but over all, this is a very inspired performance.
anohbey 4 years ago
Un bonne instinct et une jolie voix à la base. Pour le reste je ne vois pas ce qu'on lui trouve. Elle m'énerve en tant qu'actrice, c'est juste une hyperactive. Elle gueule souvent au lieu de chanter forte et met la voix en gorge et parfois dans le nez pour essayer de donner du grave. Pas de défaut flagrant et persistant mais plein de petites instabilités qui brisent tout. Qu'on ne dise pas "qu'elle est dans son truc", pour moi elle ne pense qu'à éviter ses erreurs en remuant et grimaçant ainsi.
Bugage89 4 years ago
Vous osez beaucoup dans votre commentaire mais dites bien vrai...
On est bien loin d'Arleen Auger et de la perfection du style Mozart...
Le problème que le sublime n'étant plus, il faut bien s'accrocher au succédané...
freespiritQC 3 years ago
Merci Bugage pour votre commentaire. En effet, Dessay, (surtout dans le belcanto) est parfaitement inexpressive (ce qu'elle essaie de compenser par une agitation corporelle), la voix, mis à part feu son suraigue, est assez insipide, peu riche en harmonies. Pour cette Messe écoutons donc Maria Stader ou Christiane Oelze. Toutefois, on peut comprendre qu'elle ne veuille pas chanter Olympia jusqu'à la fin de ces jours...
wotansings 3 years ago
Sa gesticule est justifiée car le public est relativement loin de la scene et il la voit plus expressive si elle exagere certain mouvements. Pour moi, Dessay est superbe dans sa capacité à varier le volume, et donc à rendre l'emotion plus intense. Si elle fait des grimaces, ce n'est pas parce qu'elle fait des erreurs, mais parce que c'est la nature. Ceux qui ne grimacent pas, c'est pour donner l'impression de facilité. Mais l'être est plus important et plus beau que le paraître.
jhvorotin 3 years ago
Un vrai chanteur n'a pas besoin de donner une impression de facilité. C'est par l'aisance dans sa voix qu'on distingue un bon chanteur. Sans quoi les meilleurs chanteurs et chanteuses ne finiraient pas leur carrière avec leur vie. Que trouvez-vous à sa musique? Le répertoire autant que l'interprétation sont communs. Sa modulation d'intensité est faible pour une voix d'opéra. En vérité, on ne parle que des mauvaises musiciennes acceptant d'être pipole (cf Hélène Grimaud, Sandrine Piau...).
Bugage89 3 years ago
She should try doing the soprano solo in the Beethoven Choral Phantasie
TimonyErt03 4 years ago
Je prefère Sylvia McNair avec les EBS dirigés par Gardiner. Je trouve la Dessay un p'tit peu stressée dans cet air!!!!
lesboreades 4 years ago
i prefer barbara bonney, her voice isn't that sharp at some points.
rosasilvestris 4 years ago
maybe because this is a rehearsal, not an actual concert.
nicevidbro 4 years ago
nicevidbro, I have audio of her performing this piece in Paris if you'd like me to post it.
FoxyGrandpa 4 years ago
I think I said it in a previous post, but yes I agree too. Her recording with Abbado is one of the - if not THE best - recording of the "Et incarnatus est".
escaelis 4 years ago
sometimes like a goddess
222mozart 4 years ago 2
I simply love this video wether she is at her best or not, because she is genuine and forget herself and let her feelings come out not only by her singing, but by her unconsciously moving of her arms too, as if she is conducting herself.
Olfux 4 years ago 3
yes, yes , yes, you are so right !!!
typically Natalie !!
222mozart 4 years ago
Dessay is the best!
TenduYou 4 years ago
Ils devraient filmer de plus loin..je trouve
DessayBestSinger 4 years ago
C'est pur, limpide, très beau!
musiqueclassique1 4 years ago
Let's keep moderate both ways; Natalie Dessay sure doesn't deserve her 1st rank in YT search "Et incarnatus est"; yet remains very good. For me: Heaven: Sylvia McNair; Earth: Maria Stader (on the old score); Sumi Jo (yes! imperfect yet moving); Barbara Boney (harmed by poor audio); Arleen Auger (wish see her at 25!); etc, etc, ND (harmed by clip and conductor comment - not so bad though).
(seeing AA in 5th position shows in which heavenly company you are!)
Tue 20 Nov 2007 17:03 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
well, i think sumi jo is a machine. in the bad way. shes a robot. no feelings at all. im not attacking you, i just wanted to share my thoughts with you.
nicevidbro 4 years ago
I see how one can feel Sumi Jo a robot at start, but she deserves IMO better attention. This is why I just posted another comment on her version, see v=ox7pVUrznBg#spcx2tjDPHs "SHORT WATCH: 06:35 to 08:40".
Tue 22 Jan 2008 23:02 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Now I don't know if this music is too heavenly, or me too earthly, but each time I hear one of these wonderful singers I find her the best of all. However each one remains a human with her (albeit tiny) flaws. And let's remember, in their available versions, Sumi Jo (born 1962) was 31, Bonney and McNair (1956) ~35, Dessay (1965) 41, Auger (1939) 52.
Tue 22 Jan 2008 23:23 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Well, I like it!
swanknightmitchan 4 years ago
Really not good. Does she believe she is in a zoo or what? Generally I like what she is doing but not on this one. Try Karthäuser or Bonney on this one. Much much better.
vctvi 4 years ago
Natalie Dessay is taken during a rehearsal, it's probably a private movie she accepted to show...!
jolicrasseux 4 years ago
extraordinaire!!!!
YG66go 4 years ago
oops. It's Barbara Bonney. My bad. :P.
escaelis 4 years ago
Arleen Auger does a much better job with her recording with Abbado.
Et incarnatus est shouldn't be something so stressed.
escaelis 4 years ago
I can't wait Mme Dessay as an actress, because as a singer .. she is hopeless!!!!
ArturoPVLondon 4 years ago
you a so wrong!!!!! her voice is divine.
she is wonderfull as a Singer and as a actress
sopran21 3 years ago 9
well .... then she is!!!
So was CAllas, Sutherland and so is Fleming, Barloti .... what amazing singers aren't they?
ArturoPVLondon 3 years ago 6
bad
ammnnonn 4 years ago
Simply put, those of you who are criticizing her performance are tone deaf.
dimarziohs3 4 years ago
It`s the worst "Et Incarnatus" I ever listen! Schriek scriek, even my theeth ache! Miss Dessay should listen Maria Stader or Arleen Auger singing this most beautiful piece and learn how it must be sang...
as6146273 4 years ago
C'est horriblement mal filmé mais remarquablement chanté !!
123Niche 4 years ago
Ouai je suis trop d'accord avec toi !!
catthh22 4 years ago
I just heard her again. I am struck... Beautiful as she is (and not only in voice) she *owes* to us all to redo this video, complete, and rid of her faults (several false notes - from such a singer!) and her conductor's (did he ever learn that any famous conductor refrains himself for all his career from polluting his own music with a single word in or around concerts and recordings?)
2007-0918.1611 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Now that "vivelapolice" has shown his Language skills (IT, FR, EN), I hope he'll express his - valuable - POVs in the language everyone understands. Meanwhile, translating his last one:
« Natalie's intra-psychic struggles (the voice she has and the one she wishes.... she is a singer and would like to be an actress...) tell in parts how her voice is crumbling. Psy, come on! She is on Callas' track... »
2007-0918.1544 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Natatlie Dessay fait ici son "job" sans plus avec une voix particulièrement pâle et inexpressive.
vocedelaluna 4 years ago
do you know if i can find this recording in a CD?
theStrangeLitttleBoy 4 years ago
intonation is not always perfect... alcuni aucuti troppo aperti, e la voce perde di colore...
robbie3013 4 years ago
Dessay is wonderful here. Yet she will immediately sound pale to you if ever you fall on the original whom she visibly learnt from: "Et incarnatus est" by Sylvia McNair/Gardiner will really break your heart. See CD "Mozart for the Millennium": Mozart's 14 most moving arias, purest sopranos earth ever heard (each the best for the particular aria), finest conducting, perfect recording.
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Les conflits intra-psychiques de Natalie (la voix qu'elle a et celle qu'elle voudrait....) elle est chanteuse et voudrait être comédienne... expliquent en partie comment sa voix se détruit. Psychanalyse vite ! Elle suit le chemin de callas...
vivelapolice 4 years ago
This gives an interesting (and accurate IMO) explanation of Natalie's (wonderful) pluses and (minor yet unfortunate) minuses. Worth a translation - see mine of 2007-0918.1544 GMT (sorry I didn't think in time to post it in the right place).
2007-0918.1549 GMT
Merlin1940 4 years ago
Anche la Dessay sbaglia!!! Sebbene sia un errore di pronuncia...dice VIRGHINE anziché VIRGINE!!! Ma é ugualmente sublime
violetta1977 4 years ago
She didn't pronounce it wrongly. Dessay is using the constructed Classical Pronunciation of Latin, which is based on many linguistical studies about how Latin would sound in its classical times. It's considered by some the most "trustful" pronunciation of Latin. So Dessay is completely correct, she simply didn't use the Italian way of pronouncing Latin, which is the most common one. ;-)
OperaBR 4 years ago 4
Thank you very much for this information!
violetta1977 4 years ago
è cosi' calante a 03:03 un incubo !
vivelapolice 4 years ago
non é calante, é semplicemente un suono dissonanate rispetto all'accordo. La sig.ra Dessay, in quanto cantante d'opera, é sia una cantante che un'attrice. Perché questo é lo scopo del RECITAR CANTANDO!
violetta1977 4 years ago
La Dessay è un artista OK ! Come tutti gli artisti puo sbagliare. L'interpretazione di questa messa in dominore K427 è fuori stile (la linea nel canto mozartiano è principale) Bellini is not mozart ! I am from the Opera national de Paris ;)
vivelapolice 4 years ago
But Mozart writes in his letters that portamento was a defining characteristic of good taste in music.
D9l3tt 4 years ago
In wich letter... hum ? You are allowed to sing in your bathroom with a helmet on your head and thinking you are Brünlide ! What Mozart told you about that ?? ah ah ah :)) Your not a singer that's obvious bless you !!
vivelapolice 4 years ago
Firstly, I hope we can have an intelligent discourse and not fight. Mozart does clearly value the use of portamento, please refer to his letters of 7 March, 1778 and 2 July 1783, both to his father. I will write again as I am able to discover more references.
D9l3tt 4 years ago
Just Listen Elisabeth schwartzkopft in "Cosi fan tutte" THE LINE OF SINGING DARLING ! After that you can sing mozart the way you want :)
vivelapolice 4 years ago
Dovresti sapere che la pronuncia del latino si fa alla vaticana, alla tedesca, alla galicana. In Mozart si pronuncia "Kürié EléiZON", "AK'nus", "Virghine" (parli tanto ma conosci poco) TVB lo stesso xche non è il tuo mestiere CIAO ;)
vivelapolice 4 years ago
1)il mio commento sul modo di pronunciare la parola VIRGINE, era solo una battuta, ma ho colmato una mia ignoranza, io conoscevo solo la pronuncia all'italiana!. 2) il modo di cantare la messa di Mozart può piacere o meno(a me piace!)
3) il fatto che tu sia del teatro dell'opera di Parigi, cosa c'entra, me lo spieghi? ti rende automaticamente un esperto di canto? diffido degli esperti di canto...
violetta1977 4 years ago
Ti parlo di estetica musicale non di una qualsiasi opinione. Sono cantante(03:03 dovrebbe essere la stessa nota!) Ho cantato con N.Dessay e R.Alagna) Ti canto la figlia del regimento quando vuoi amore;) Lei si sta rovinando la voce...mi sa xche ?? TVB lo stesso (Der frühlingstimmenwaltzer ... altro che !!!)
vivelapolice 4 years ago
sovrumana...il legato è semplicemente perfetto... mai sentita una cosa del genere...la falicità con cui canta una delle arie più difficili scritte per soprano mozza semplicemente il fiato...
gohar002 4 years ago
Natalie Dessay qu'on se le dise ...techniquement elle est hallucinante tous ceux qui font du chant l'avouent, les vocalises d'un trait hyper claires...et la musicalitée, la puissance ,la comédie...faut etre sncere !!! je l'adore !!!!! viva Natalie
liline05 4 years ago
io adoro Natalie Dessay....paradisiaca....complimenti vivissimi...
lyside1 4 years ago
when was it recorded?
MCGJ8 4 years ago
Natalie's singing of the Et Incarnatus is simply tres bien! No, it's ethereal, beautiful and be can be placed alongside Arleen Auger's sublime account with Leonard Bernstein. Oh, I just love her Morgana in Handel's Alcina with William Christie and his Les Arts Florissants (what a baroque ensemble!)especially that devastating aria "Tornami a vagheggiar" at the end of Act I. Check it out Handel lovers! You will not be disappointed. SD Goh
301250 4 years ago 3