1080 kills possums, weasels and stoats. These introduced pests (introduced to create a local trapping industry) directly and indirectly are responsible for severely reducing or wiping out our precious unique native birdlife.
We can always reintroduce deer from overseas, we can never reintroduce native birds.
These guys show a lot of concern for deer killed by 1080. The reason they are concerned is that they want to kill the deer with their guns, and are upset that 1080 has beaten them to it.
The fact is, if we can eradicate possums from NZ, then we won't need to use 1080 anymore.
open season on pest animals .... you'll have plenty of hunters who would love to practice the sport during off-season of game animals ... and this way, hunters would spend money on ammunition and supplies, pests are controlled ... win-win situation
@hayder1976 Not sure where you're from but in NZ it is open season on pretty much all game, pretty much all year round. Deer (7 species), tahr, chamois, goats, pigs plus any other introduced mammal are on the menu right now.
"Deer make the bush more accessible"......Tom you are a moron, that is because they are fucking destroying it! Think about what you are saying....who's STUPID?
At this point 1080 seems to be the only efficient option to protect the native wildlife of NZ, therefore you have to chose to either; protect the native wildlife and kill non-native wildlife in a cruel manner OR try to protect wildlife as best you can and kill non-native wildlife in a humane manner. In my opinion the best bet to retain NZ biodiversity and save the endangered species is 2 use 1080. I would be open to other options which are just as efficient. Unfortunately I have not heard of any
at least the deer make the forest accessible if all the deer were killed you wouldn't even be able to walk in and see all the birds and bloody kiwis which is the reason for all the poison in the first place DOC are so stupid!!!!!
he said europeans-the white people dont care is what that one guy was saying,he said they just pack up their suit cases and go to another place,and do it all over agin.
Research that's scientifically based, not a random pair that make docco in backyard. There is numerous research thats been done, by scientists, not DOC.
Regardless of which side of the argument your on I can't believe you think possums arn't a threat. They don't eat birds (found to eat our native short tail bat young thou) but destroy the very habitat that birds live in, they're not a predator but a over whelming competitor. They destroy our forest, possums arn't a problem?? Yeah right
Didn't their claims of birds found with 1080 inside end up found to be doctored in court? After they put them there themselves...
Hmmm something to think about.
1080 affects mammals, there are no native mammals. Iv watched the docco Poisoning paradise... I'd like to think people out there would do more research than just watch that docco.
Against how 1080 kills, just there is NO better option. Go catch 50 possums a day if you can, it makes little to no difference on the grand scale.
There has been no court case - the case of "doctoring" was DoC altering information. The propaganda spread by DoC, is extensive. DoC authorised poison be dropped into snow, killing 1000's of birds.
Possums have 1 young per year, don't cause "canopy colapse", and do not eat birds, as part of their staple diet.
There is not a SINGLE, credible scientific study that shows a net population benefit to any native species, through the use of 1080.
Totally against cruelty to animals, regardless of native or not. But am 100% behind NZ ecoystems and wildlife. With Possums, stoats and rats esp we will lose our ecosystem forever unless we control them/ wipe them out. Its a decision of Welfare versus ecosystem. Trapping is fine but there is no way trappers can protect the whole of NZ, no way.
Also these guys are brothers and have been found fixing their findings, dropping 1080 in water tanks and mocking deaths etc. I wouldn't trust them.
There are no "tanks", or fixing. If your claims are true, sue us!!! Koura are poisoned in ALL aerial poison drops, where cereal bait is used. The pricipal is simple...don't drop attractive food from helicopters, laced with poison, into a forest and claim to only kill possums. It's simply not possible. Open you eyes, and your mind, and watch Poisoning Paradise the documentary, and witness the truth! We are not against responsible pest control - but we are certainly against irresponsible ecocide!
The Graf Boys documentary is a complete wad of mis-information. It is pumped full of emotionally provocative images made for morons like you, so they turn around and think what they've seen must be true.
I'm concerned that you have no knowledge of anything except the Poisoning Paradise DVD, and have done no research into literature for yourself.
1080 is scientifically tested and endorsed, and is the best weapon we have for saving our environment.
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
How full of shit is that Tuhoe elder? A descendant of non indigenous Rarotongan colonists that were party to what is viewed in evolutionary biology circles as one of the most heinous acts of ecological vandalism in history. 37 species of animal unique to NZ forever gone along with 50% deforestation in the 500 years before a European even set foot on the place. Guardians of the land my fecking arse. It's easy to claim to live in harmony with nature when all thats left knows how to hide from you.
I think what I find most disturbing about this thread is how some people seem to regard introduced animals as complete non-entities. Right. I'm *sure* they don't possess the same nerves and pain receptors as native animals. Even when animals need to be euthanized it should be done as painlessly as possible, yet these people don't even care about such basic things. So...I guess I can add one more to the list of places to never visit. Sad.
The animal health board does majority of the ariel drops in New Zealand very few comparatively are done by doc. I agreethat 1080 is not cool but what are the other options at this stage? All i see it people complaining about it but no one is willing to back it up with other effective possum control methods. If anyone has any ideas please post them cheers.
What this video dosn't cover is what the advantages of 1080 is. Its used to kill the introduced mammals that are hurting our native birds and other wildlife. I don't like the idea of poison in the forests at all, as I spend a lot of time in the bush tramping and Its always in the back of my mind. The introduced pests need to go but not at the expense of the very things we are trying to save. Better management, but no aerial drops!! Or do we let our natives fend for themselves?
A dissgrace that poison can be used so wantly and horrible creul deaths for no reason other than to make money and try and turn back time ,shame on doc
If a man can be charged by the police and the SPCA for shooting dogs where a few of them did not die immediately but only a few seconds later, then why are DOC and Animal Health not charged for this known and persistent cruelty. 1080 does not differentiate between pests and our own native protected wildlife, it kills everything and then kills again through that carcass, then even again when that animal or bird becomes a carcass. Far too many "educated" people with knowledge but no understanding.
If a man can be charged by the police and the SPCA for shooting dogs where a few of them did not die immediately but only a few seconds later, then why are DOC and Animal Health not charged for this known and persistent cruelty. 1080 does not differentiate between pests and our own native protected wildlife, it kills everything and then kills again through that carcass, then even again when that animal or bird becomes a carcass. Far too many "educated" people with knowledge but no understanding.
1080 drop in my backyard, no possums. Great. No Morepork either but who gives a shit, DOC got their target.Just a coincidence. Two years later the Morepork are coming back. Great. So are the possums. Time to kill again. We don't want those noisy little birds keeping us awake do we?
More Tui and Bell birds than ever before the past spring, 1080 is clearly working well.
However more dialogue needs to be had with hunters to ensure their interest in game animals is catered for. 1080 needs to be managed better not banned.
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ABSOLUTELY! do something people!! like get off your ass and do some conservation work..save a wetland...volunteer on a species recovery project...whatever works for you ..but right now native birds and forests are being eaten alive and 1080 is one tool amongst others that we need...untill the "alternatives" arrive.
time will tell and history will show how toxic 1080 is! and u will eat your word's, the lazy ass people are doc they should get off there big fat butts and trap employ the local, oh no they have spent millions on 1080 bait and cant go back! friggn clown's...i know a few off them and they are brain washed !! shouldnt blame them really buck stop's at the top NATIONAL AND LABOUR!!
its not about being green mate, its about health of the human race, the thing about spray's chemicals and the likes of 1080 is that it might no kill u outright(maybe if it did people would wake up) but it a slow sickness that we end up going to the doctor for and all they do is load us up on medication ...round and round we go! sickness is money!!! no money in healthy people...
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ahhh ..actually IT IS about being green. ... and it's about seeing past the 'human race' the MOST imbecilic, destructive, selfish and 'shit-in-your-own-nest' species to grace this planet. 1080 is not the issue. The issue is about trying to save the last fragments of this amazing planet ... if all you whining anti 1080 's got out on the coal face and did the work then maybe we could phase out toxins from conservation in Aotearoa.
SAME THING! i guess u are in2 spraying all fruit and veg with chemicals aswell, wake up!! next thing you'll be saying you don't mind all the asians coming into this country and ripping us off! u need to go back to you birds nest and give ya egg a good shake...
I think the pro vs anti 1080 is too simplistic to help this debate. I'm pro whatever we have available right now, right here that will protect our forests and birds... and no I'm not a DoC worker I'm a long time volunteer (like thousands of other kiwi's) on species and conservation projects.
what's brainwashed about saying that deer, pigs, rats, stoats, possums etc don't belong in our forests. Wake up!! you don't need to work for DoC to know that.
imageandlikeness you're a LIAR! the question is WHY? I have have lived and worked thru 1080 and Brodifacoum drops and there are no 'thousands of native animals dead". Firstly we don't have native mammals in NZ except for the bat, secondly what you won't see but is happening is the death of thousands of rats and oppossums. GOOD RIDDANCE!
i think imageandlikeness is talking about 'thousands' of native birds(why not tens of thousands? why not millions?) dead after 1080 drops. However you are right he is full of shit ...treated areas are a complete circus of native birds and trees, doing their stuff ...NOT getting eaten alive by possums and rats.
Just read through some of the comments and ask yourself , are anti 1080 people normal?
I can totally understand why hunters are upset that all the introduced animals are dying of this stuff, but the way they pretend to care about NZ native plants and animals is just laughable, I know some of these people and they couldn't give a shit about anything but game animals.
By all means lets try and preserve a resource for Deer stalkers, but don't lie about your motives.
No poison is good poison.We end up consuming it in the end and killing ourselves.The people pushing 1080 are afraid of losing their income.What a terrible price to pay.
@imageandlikeness He kaitiaki a tātou katoa mo te whenua me ngā awa nā te mea he kahurangi nui atu mo te tāpoi me te mahi a te rēhia me hauhake ō te kai ō ngā awa ēnei mea
heres my two cents worth,i actually work at the plant in wanganui that produces this product,and i say ban the stuff,the real reason they dont is pure and simple,it all makes perfect sense,DOLLARS AND CENTS.
I suspect you may be a mammal...maybe a not very highly evolved, or educated one, but a mammal nonetheless...you said it yourself goblinking...1080 "effects" mammals...did you mean 1080 affects mammals?
i studied terrestrial ecology at university. All you need to do is spend time in a forest before a drop then 6 months after and you can clearly see a change for the better. Birds calls native regeneration. Pull ya head out ya arse.
It's incredible that you have a university degree, but are virtually illiterate...I can hardly understand what you are trying to say...and how do you know I haven't spent time in the forest pre and post 1080 operation? For your information, I have and my observation is markedly different to yours...who is right and who is lying? My head isn't up my arse, it's held high as I continue to oppose the insidious and ludicrous practice of poisoning our country in the name of "conservation."
you are so ignorant and it seems you believe in everything what sientist who are probably paid by NZ government or the company which produces 1080 find out. Question is who should shut up...
Instead of making comments like "poisoning our country" you should show us evidence of native fauna and animals it is affecting, untill you can then i think you should shut up and go do some scientific research or gather quantitative evidence to support your claim that is poisoning NZ. Do you believe deer, pigs, possums or dogs have no effect on the NZ's natural enviroment?
I have also just finished being apart of a study on the effect of 1080 on kea chicks. You can read the results on the internet. But quite simply no chicks died and mortality rates of new born chicks dropped due to less predation pressure.
I think your have weak Animals who now become Host for a Virus and now your Beautiful Zealand will have Creeps Emerging from the Blood Residue and fecal. Its a un natural process in the Bio Network System that will spread..
we have just had a 1080 drop here on the coromandel thames coast, and low and behold there have been some dogs poisoned after walking on the beach, work it out nz wake up!!! i would say that these sea slugs are actually mice washing down the rivers after being poisoned and on to beach then the poor dogs eat and die...
Im a new zealander and against 1080 it kills our precious native birds but the only reason our government doesnt change this is beacause the think there is no other method as effective! yes we shoot possum but it isnt enough to stop these pests from killing our native birds (which are indangered!) People here have protested and protested. Dont cancel your trips here because our government is to dumb to change, its your loss. but if you to have ideas on how else to kill millions of pests speak up
yes that might be problem but i dont believe 1080 is a solution since it not only kills the mammals but your native animals as well and it affects humans too. that cant be right isnt it? This poison is forbidden to use in most countries because its dangerous and harmful for all animal and humans too.
i never thought that NZealand government is so stupid and didnt learn from mistakes other nations have done with poison. i really will stop my travel plans for NZ; i am too disappointed.
Please write it to the NZ gov, turist section. We all will be grateful and you do something good to the ecosystem.Bless you, Im here and I put up with wthis thing emotionally hurt . This 15 nov there is the national day to protest against 1080. It's something.
i hope you will be successfull with the protests; id there would be an email protest against it i would take part. may be its possible to organize something like this. thank you for the comment!
NZ is different that other counties we are one of the only countries that didn't have native terrestrial land mammals. So you cant compare NZ to any other country
that i am aware of; but with 1080 you not only kill the mammals which dont belong to NZ but your native birds and other animals as well and its a matter of fact that 1080 affects humans as well and for that reason is forbidden in most countries!
i would sugest that the bait block size be smaller as a rodent rat/possom does not need that much to die .This would mean a greater spread for the same amount of bait .alsoless likely to kill none target as they would be less likely to consume alethal dose and secondary poisoning is less likely .If there is a problem good wishes and emotional responses will not do .solutions anyone.
i am not a New Zealander just a pest control operator from jamaica .Itseems to me that unless we think that your politicians are all corrupt and evil and none with comon sense then it means you have a huge rodent problem . if this is so then i have not heard from you any real alternative solutions. whilst this documentary is touching it would be far more so if the carcass was that of man having died from the bubonic plague ,etc. diseases {responsible for more deaths than world war 1&2}
There are other ways to cull a pest. Did you watch the vid? 1080 Kills everything. They should stop it NOW. Instead of spending money on helicopters and posion, employ hunters to hunt possem
Is that before or after they have cut down a Rata for firewood?
Most "experienced" bushmen in my area couldn't give a rats arse about native wildlife.
I can understand hunters being upset at the indiscriminate loss of the Deer etc, and a logical argument can be formed on this. But they don't form a logical argument, they feign a "concern" for native wildlife that is just garbage.
The latest from these people is the deliberate placement of 1080 in water catchments, credibility crisis?
tb means that the farmers cant sell the cows that have tb i think 1080 is all good coz now we cn sell our cows coz of 1080 so keep on droping it. possums are pests kill them all
It is the spector of 1080 in our meat that will see an end to our exports, not TB.
It is safe to eat TB infected meat. In fact, meat detected with TB goes to local market, so we are eating it anyway.
The new documentary we are working on shows that live stock is being piosoned in aerial operations, and covered up with false invoices and confidentiality agreements. It
is the spector of 1080 in NZ meat that will see an end to our exports, not TB. cheers.
You're also a moron. Overseas markets will not import TB infected meats, which will destroy our economy.
1080 is aimed at killing mammals. It is perfectly capable of killing livestock, which is why it is used with operating standards, to minimise these effects.
When applied correctly 1080 is a perfectly safe option, and the only option for protecting our environment.
Sub-lethal doses of 1080 contracted are expelled from the body, and non-tracable. Learn your facts.
. And we simply don't have the man power to effectively compare to the job the 1080 does and if Tb were to become out of control we would lose our export { dairy,beef etc} which is every ones bread and butter. We would be up shit creek without a paddle. I don't like it as much as you do but I do see the reality of trying to change the method..
It is sad but without our agriculture export we would be a third world country. A different way of controlling the spread of TB pests would cost more than 1080. So you would have to have to ask the New Zealand public would they be prepared to have that extra cost reflected in the tax they pay. At the moment the lower income earners are finding hard to afford the necessity's.
You raise two issues here - the cost of possum control - and TB in the meat.
The Animal Health Board conducted a study, and found that possums could be easily managed at the pasture margins, for TB, by ground control. They found it would only cost UP TO 20% more. As scientists, on our new documentary, say - who doesn't think it is worth it - to manage with ground control, rather than indiscriminate poison??
I agree NZ needs its export market. At the moment our meat is not tested for 1080 residues I believe this is something that importing coutnries will demand in the future. How can we gaurantee 1080 is not already in our food chain. Once international interest in NZ's use of 1080 happens our countrys exports will be over. Once 1080 kills all our natural wildlife and poisons our country our tourist indusry will also be over! Yes it will be sad but it will not be the threat of TB that does it!
Dozens Of Cunts killing my beloved deer i can put food on the table for myself and most of my friends and full the gas tank up and keep my younger cousins out of trouble while they learn to be hunters. Hunting saved me from crime as i was to busy hunting to get into trouble why is DOC so determined to destroy it and i dont care what they say it knocks the hell out of the birdlife, Possums to kill the birds but 1080 does it better, blocks that get trapped are bird heavens and provide an income
We have just return from the Te Urewera National park, Waikaremoana area, which has never been aerially poisoned with 1080. We use this area as a control, to compare with similar areas around the country, that have been repeatably poisoned. The birdlife is ALWAYS, PROFOUNDLY, more apparent in areas that have NO 1080. Variety of species is also obvious - as in 1080'd areas, many bird species are missing. This observation is easily provable. We recommend a SANE comparison should be made
I used to live near a national park and a few years after the first 1080 drop the bird life was amazing, never in my 15 years before the 1080 drop had i heard so much singing. Kiwis are now making a comeback along with other native birds. Possums eat native bird eggs and destroy native tree. I do not like the sufffering that was shown in you video, but there are no deer or pigs the park here we have got rid of them because they are pests to. Pick the lesser of two evils and i go with 1080
Thanks for your comments - but they are based on propaganda.
From a scientific standpoint, 1080 kills birds, not saves them. In all areas where 1080 has been repeatably applied, bird life is reduced, with some species missing all together. In area's that have not had 1080 applied, the bird life is at its greatest. This is provable, any day of the week.
If you really want to see the truth about 1080 - watch the new doco "Poisoning Paradise - Ecocide in New Zealand" and be shocked! - Out 20/03/09
For a while I lived on the West Coast on a dairyfarm in Barrytown. On that farm were pockets of native bush that were (of course) excluded from 1080 drops. You step into those pockets and you couldn't hear yourself think for the sound of the birdlife.
Now, go to Blackball and up over the Croesus Track (same area but a 1080 drop zone) and on a good day you'd be lucky to hear one or two birds - the place was dead.
The difference: 1080
And the possums were still around; I trapped that area.
1080 should be banned IMO It's a horrific way for an animal to die,I under feral deer are a problem but shooting them would be a better,more effectiff way to kill them
contd. either way, i want far more restrictions on drops, its killing all our deer and pigs, but thats right, i dont really think DOC care about hunters, they just want them all gone.
contd again i dont think its a good idea doing the drops but i cant really beleive that it can get into the water tables that easily and its supposed to break down fast in water anyway, and even if it was in the water its not strong enough to kill us unless we drunk a million litres or something crazy like that. isint it supposed to be a naturally occuring chemical in plants?
1080 occurs naturally in plants....... just like cyanide and thousands of other nerve toxins. Some people say its no worse than a packet of salt & vinegar chips, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating chips. I've never heard of a bird being poisoned by 1080 in the water, but 33% of the monitored Kea in a 1080ed were killed by 1080.1080 decomposes in water after 24 hours, plenty of time for an animal or person to drink it.
Those kea actually ate the 1080 pellets as they were used to being hand fed in the area and thought the pellets were some sort of "food", as they werent used to eating natural sources only. There is no way that a few 1080 pellets in the water would kill the kea, as there would have to be tons dumped in the river to kill anything, a few pellets in the river is like a drop in the bucket. what im not happy about 1080 is its willy nilly use, killing deer, pigs etc, only should be used where needed
I'm a hunter as well, all the pig and deer kills piss me off too. Its also important to remember that its killing off natives too. The Kea likely did eat whole baits, but I'm also corncerned the 1080 that reaches streams will kill off any native frogs in the area. Frogs are very sensitive to toxins since they don't have a wter proof skin and so abosorb poison directly fom skin contact.
I agree, things like the frogs would be at risk, DOC say that they now use GPS to keep away from rivers! lol i dont beleive them, as they are still getting pellets in the water, i think 1080 needs a serious review on its use, i dont think it should be banned yet as its the best weve got, but it should be used in bait stations where possible, and strict helicopter drops in remote areas. We seriously need a better alternative though, i shoot them all the time, get money for the fur, thats a start.
With possum fur now at $105/kg its easy to make a fair amount of cash. An alternative to 1080 would be to open up the national parks for .22 calibre rifles. As long as its made clear to all the hunters that only possums can be shot with a .22 calibre inside the park boundaries, there shouldn't be any problems.
isint it supposed to be a naturally occuring chemical in plants? either way, i want far more restrictions on drops, its killing all our deer and pigs, but thats right, i dont really think DOC care about hunters, they just want them all gone.
contd...i dont think its a good idea doing the drops but i cant really beleive that it can get into the water tables that easily and its supposed to break down fast in water anyway, and even if it was in the water its not strong enough to kill us unless we drunk a million litres or something crazy like that.
contd..ive heard so much from both sides now i am confused on whats real, are birds really getting poisoned from drinking water in a puddle where there is a dead 1080 poisoned animal? i would of thought that it wouldnt of been strong enough by the time the animal had rotted away etc the 1080 breaks down rather fast doesnt it?
whats the story with this 1080? i dont know what to beleive, this doco is good, i am against 1080 drops unless its the first time and the possums are really infested and its hard to access, but i think 1080 bait stations are ok as only possums can eat it out of the bait stations.
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this new doco - due for release in 2 months - is far more scary and revealing. this practice still goes on, in greater intensity and against public outcry, on a weekly basis.
thanks for your comments finnoil. We are working on a new doco, much harder hitting, with great science, graphic footage and great interviews. Out soon, keep your eyes open - there's gonna be some big questions to answer. best.
i was rayzed,if u kill it eat it,make them eat the shit see how they like it ,1080 has just been droped in my area so thats hunting out the window and how many native animals have 2 die ,poison every were,now the powers to be want to dam the most clean pure river we have,blue duck,native snail,kiwi,eels,the list gos on,
what river is that? all this kyoto carbon trading anoys me, and at expense they want to build more hydro dams! cant they just build another coal power station?
its not the helicopters or pilots that are ordering the 1080, its other people. they are just the distributors. im a heli pilot, and id rather see you shot then any helicopter
plants and animals live togetter in a "symbiotic relation" you could say.
Wildlife will eat and spread the seads so new plants will grow, each animal preforms menny usefull things just like this one.
So dropping this poison that kills all animals will damage the whole area, maybe not directly but indirectly over a period of few years.
The only creature not in a symbiotic relation with its enviroment is us, so we should really look on how to improve ourselfs towards what damage we do.
In reading your reply - the 'educated' government officials would say - see...see how these red necks re-act to our "honest" efforts in keeping New Zealand "clean and green"!!!!
In reality - you are 100% correct.
The propaganda pushing "Nazi" type officials insist poisoning our wild areas is "our only defense" against possums from over taking the world. "We are a nation without teeth" they cry! We are a nation of spineless rats being led to the slaugther by the Pied Piper..our own government
i am human, i am ashamed to be called a human. how did we ever get this evil? 1080 like, partial birth abortions mass farming/sloughtering of animals is just another example of how wrong we've got things. God knows this planet is better off without humans we do more damage to our enviroment than possums ever could
Man is far more destructive to our native species and virgin bush than the wild creatures that inhabit it.
(NZ, to this day, is still clear felling bush country for farming)
And if that is not enough, Man, while in his evil trance, chooses to invent nasty stories about the wild animals that dwell there and intentionally mis-leads the people he re-presents, all to feed his own parisitic position of power. Enough to make you vomit really.
Although I dont agree with the use of 1080 poison, I think people are denying fact when they argue that possums are not a big problem to the environment.
Hi, do you base your comments on experience? If so,in what areas have you witnessed possum damage?
Personally, we have lived a major part of our lives in and around New Zealand's national parks. We are still yet to find any evidence of possum damage. Most damage is caused by snow, then wind, then insects, then disease, followed by many other causes - New Zealand bush can easily withstand animal browse, just as any other country in the world.
Kia ora, although I dont have any professional experience with dealing to possums, I have travelled fairley extensively throughout the South Island. Because NZ was isolated for so long with only a handful of mammals(bats ect), the native flora have yet to build defence mechanisms, that are present in many plant species that have been exposed to grazing animals. Animals such as pigs, deer and goats eat and destroy large tracks of land through grazing. Possums tend to only eat the new growth.
...What this does is it prevents growth of the trees. It has been estimated there are approx 70million possums in NZ, which adds up to 20,000T of vegitation eaten per night. Native trees such as rata, totara ,pohutukawa, are extensively grazed by possums. This creates competion for food and nesting area space with native birds. But I am not denying that 1080 kills indescriminatley, and I believe aerial drops and its use needs to be stopped for good of the greater environment.
Hi again. Actually, we had the giant Moa, all over New Zealand, at altitudes of up to 17oo mtr. These guys were destructive browsers, ripping and tearing the foliage. We had numerous ground birds, perhaps millions of them, all ripping and tearing at the plants and bush.
There is an extensive propaganda campaign running in NZ, and unfortunately most of their argument toward possums numbers is grossly exagerated. 70,000 possums, no where near it. 20,000 tons of browsing = 25,000t of re-growth.
I don't mean to sound mean, but the possum has been here for over 100 years, and the bush is in fine condition. Actually, there is little diffrence between where 1080 poison has been dropped, and where it hasn't - apart from the forest being void of life where it has. 1080 poison is bad for New Zealand, just as 245T and agent orange was bad for Vietnam. Time will be the final proof, unfortunately. all the best.
Yes, there were very few Pigs in those areas where the filming was done. Pigs aren't present all through the Te Urewera national Park, with plenty of areas having none at all. Most of the areas searched were higher up the ridges, due to the serious snow damage in the lower gullies. Also, pigs have the reflex of vomitting, so can eject the poison as soon as indications of poisoning are felt. This results in fewer pigs fatally poisoned by 1080, however, they still suffer non-fatal consequences.
True.Still it was pretty shocking to see some good stags and a few well conditioned hinds left there to rot after being poisoned.I couldnt get over the amount of land they said they were poisoning in a year.I dont agree with ariel poisoning but I guess we can speak up all we want about it but in the end we are still powerless to stop it arent we??
We are making progress with the councils - keeping the individual councilors - whom have the power to vote on the use of 1080 - informed. The new ones, recently voted in are shocked at what is going on. Unfortunately, the ones who have been in for several terms are brainwashed and matey with the bosses involved with spreading the stuff.
I still say, the truth will prevail, and this act of insanity will be forced back to where it came from - from within the ignorant minds of its proponents.
DOC would'nt do it if they did'nt have to. How do you all think we should control possum numbers then? You all need to look at the bigger picture. Trappers have never controlled possum numbers and they never will (ok, maybe the areas near roads). I think 1080 is horrible stuff but there is simply no other option.
$80 million is spent on 1080 poison campaigns in NZ, annually.
The possum propaganda message is what drives approvals for the funding of the poison operations.
The fact is - possums are not taking over the world, and are not the threat to forests or the farming industry, that they are reported to be.
Disperse the $80 mil among the people in the form of a bounty system, and as historically proven, the bounty system would put an immediate halt to indiscriminate 1080poisoning in New Zealand.
Rubbish! The bounty scheme was stopped for a reason. I can't be bothered going into it but I'm sure your mates at your local DOC office will fill you in. In theory the bounty system is an excellent idea but it would never work out there in the real world. Get a helicopter ride deep into Westland or the Te Ureweras (at least 10km+ from any road) and have a look at what the possums get up to. Then you might understand a bit better.
We spend alot of time, deep in the Urewera's, and many other areas, and we observe the facts, rather than rely on printed propaganda.
If possible, perhaps you could take a look in the back country, and apart from severe snow damage from a massive snow fall 2 winters ago, the bush is in great condition. Even the snow damage is recovering rapidly, even with the presence of possums.
The bounty system was highly succesful when trialed in the 50's, or 60's, with over 12 million possums recovered.
Is there any need to keep doing ariel drops over huge areas annually though? Like stin64 said about the bounty system recovering over 12million possums,There wouldnt be 30million possums left in this country.Ive shot the bastards my whole life and you just dont get them like you used to and the ones we do find are bordering farmland.Cant 1080 them ones.
hmmm... thousands of able-bodied unemployed that need something to do... millions of possums that need trapping and eradicating... fur selling for $105/kg... $80million per annum spent on 1080...
Did someone mention 'Bounty'??
Anyone else see where Im going with this?
It'll work if its the only way the able-bodied unemployed can get a dollar or two. And yeah, I KNOW Im going to get crucified for saying that... Tough shit aye.
SIMPLY 1080 KILLS EVERYTHING.............
Strange how the SPCA won't get behind banning it, good old influence from greeny treehugger nut jobs, and government backing.
Would be good if our export countries intervened and refused to take our products on the base of contamination, its use would be stopped instantly.
jsm787 1 month ago
1080 kills possums, weasels and stoats. These introduced pests (introduced to create a local trapping industry) directly and indirectly are responsible for severely reducing or wiping out our precious unique native birdlife.
We can always reintroduce deer from overseas, we can never reintroduce native birds.
bryza100 2 months ago
These guys show a lot of concern for deer killed by 1080. The reason they are concerned is that they want to kill the deer with their guns, and are upset that 1080 has beaten them to it.
The fact is, if we can eradicate possums from NZ, then we won't need to use 1080 anymore.
bryza100 2 months ago
clean green nz eh ??? utter maddness
D5149 4 months ago
Did anyone think of ... HUNTING?????
open season on pest animals .... you'll have plenty of hunters who would love to practice the sport during off-season of game animals ... and this way, hunters would spend money on ammunition and supplies, pests are controlled ... win-win situation
hayder1976 7 months ago
@hayder1976 Not sure where you're from but in NZ it is open season on pretty much all game, pretty much all year round. Deer (7 species), tahr, chamois, goats, pigs plus any other introduced mammal are on the menu right now.
sikaslay 7 months ago
"Deer make the bush more accessible"......Tom you are a moron, that is because they are fucking destroying it! Think about what you are saying....who's STUPID?
CNsparka 8 months ago
At this point 1080 seems to be the only efficient option to protect the native wildlife of NZ, therefore you have to chose to either; protect the native wildlife and kill non-native wildlife in a cruel manner OR try to protect wildlife as best you can and kill non-native wildlife in a humane manner. In my opinion the best bet to retain NZ biodiversity and save the endangered species is 2 use 1080. I would be open to other options which are just as efficient. Unfortunately I have not heard of any
LTCDUB 11 months ago
at least the deer make the forest accessible if all the deer were killed you wouldn't even be able to walk in and see all the birds and bloody kiwis which is the reason for all the poison in the first place DOC are so stupid!!!!!
Tom3023i 1 year ago
he said europeans-the white people dont care is what that one guy was saying,he said they just pack up their suit cases and go to another place,and do it all over agin.
akeemak22 1 year ago
Research that's scientifically based, not a random pair that make docco in backyard. There is numerous research thats been done, by scientists, not DOC.
Regardless of which side of the argument your on I can't believe you think possums arn't a threat. They don't eat birds (found to eat our native short tail bat young thou) but destroy the very habitat that birds live in, they're not a predator but a over whelming competitor. They destroy our forest, possums arn't a problem?? Yeah right
habitatcat 1 year ago
@habitatcat Possums do eat birds. They raid the nests of our rare flightless native birds, eating their eggs and young chicks alive.
I wish I could post a link here to a sick video of a possum eating a chick alive shown on TV here last night. Feel free to seach on TV3s website.
tafftastic 1 year ago
@tafftastic another reason why they need to be dealt with. Cheers, will search on TV3s site.
habitatcat 1 year ago
Didn't their claims of birds found with 1080 inside end up found to be doctored in court? After they put them there themselves...
Hmmm something to think about.
1080 affects mammals, there are no native mammals. Iv watched the docco Poisoning paradise... I'd like to think people out there would do more research than just watch that docco.
Against how 1080 kills, just there is NO better option. Go catch 50 possums a day if you can, it makes little to no difference on the grand scale.
habitatcat 1 year ago
There has been no court case - the case of "doctoring" was DoC altering information. The propaganda spread by DoC, is extensive. DoC authorised poison be dropped into snow, killing 1000's of birds.
Possums have 1 young per year, don't cause "canopy colapse", and do not eat birds, as part of their staple diet.
There is not a SINGLE, credible scientific study that shows a net population benefit to any native species, through the use of 1080.
Possums aren't a problem, DoC is. Watch PP again!
Thefunnyfilms1 1 year ago
Totally against cruelty to animals, regardless of native or not. But am 100% behind NZ ecoystems and wildlife. With Possums, stoats and rats esp we will lose our ecosystem forever unless we control them/ wipe them out. Its a decision of Welfare versus ecosystem. Trapping is fine but there is no way trappers can protect the whole of NZ, no way.
Also these guys are brothers and have been found fixing their findings, dropping 1080 in water tanks and mocking deaths etc. I wouldn't trust them.
habitatcat 1 year ago 2
There are no "tanks", or fixing. If your claims are true, sue us!!! Koura are poisoned in ALL aerial poison drops, where cereal bait is used. The pricipal is simple...don't drop attractive food from helicopters, laced with poison, into a forest and claim to only kill possums. It's simply not possible. Open you eyes, and your mind, and watch Poisoning Paradise the documentary, and witness the truth! We are not against responsible pest control - but we are certainly against irresponsible ecocide!
stin64 1 year ago 3
@stin64
You are a complete moron.
The Graf Boys documentary is a complete wad of mis-information. It is pumped full of emotionally provocative images made for morons like you, so they turn around and think what they've seen must be true.
I'm concerned that you have no knowledge of anything except the Poisoning Paradise DVD, and have done no research into literature for yourself.
1080 is scientifically tested and endorsed, and is the best weapon we have for saving our environment.
So Fuck off.
dodlord 1 year ago
fuck the 1080 they shud jus pay people to trap possums
in sted of wasteing thousands of dollars on NUKEING OW FUCKIN DEER!
FUCK 1080 AND FUCK DOC!
churchur1000 1 year ago
@churchur1000
good stuff bro, trappers...over the entire country...all the mountain ranges, valleys and remote areas... everywhere...24/7?
Really? Hire half a million trappers maybe otherwise its a drop in the pond.
habitatcat 1 year ago
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
BordersSika 1 year ago
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No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
The wider world has to know about this.
BordersSika 1 year ago
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
The wider world has to know about this.
BordersSika 1 year ago
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No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
The wider world has to know about this.
BordersSika 1 year ago
No one should think that 1080 is a humane way to control anything.
I can honestly say I will not buy Nz lamb or venison ever again. It is going to be the only way the government gets it into their thick skulls that this is going to have a knock on affect on the economy.
I have sent a link to all in my address book and asked them to do the same.
It seems like you have a government run by terrorists, hell bent on the destruction of your country.
The wider world has to know about this.
BordersSika 1 year ago
How full of shit is that Tuhoe elder? A descendant of non indigenous Rarotongan colonists that were party to what is viewed in evolutionary biology circles as one of the most heinous acts of ecological vandalism in history. 37 species of animal unique to NZ forever gone along with 50% deforestation in the 500 years before a European even set foot on the place. Guardians of the land my fecking arse. It's easy to claim to live in harmony with nature when all thats left knows how to hide from you.
biggest23 1 year ago
I think what I find most disturbing about this thread is how some people seem to regard introduced animals as complete non-entities. Right. I'm *sure* they don't possess the same nerves and pain receptors as native animals. Even when animals need to be euthanized it should be done as painlessly as possible, yet these people don't even care about such basic things. So...I guess I can add one more to the list of places to never visit. Sad.
Nutto666 1 year ago
The animal health board does majority of the ariel drops in New Zealand very few comparatively are done by doc. I agreethat 1080 is not cool but what are the other options at this stage? All i see it people complaining about it but no one is willing to back it up with other effective possum control methods. If anyone has any ideas please post them cheers.
JACKSONDnKY 1 year ago
@JACKSONDnKY just go and trap them its easy money to supplement an income
donaldb825 1 year ago
What this video dosn't cover is what the advantages of 1080 is. Its used to kill the introduced mammals that are hurting our native birds and other wildlife. I don't like the idea of poison in the forests at all, as I spend a lot of time in the bush tramping and Its always in the back of my mind. The introduced pests need to go but not at the expense of the very things we are trying to save. Better management, but no aerial drops!! Or do we let our natives fend for themselves?
theadrum 1 year ago
A dissgrace that poison can be used so wantly and horrible creul deaths for no reason other than to make money and try and turn back time ,shame on doc
ruby6300 1 year ago
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If a man can be charged by the police and the SPCA for shooting dogs where a few of them did not die immediately but only a few seconds later, then why are DOC and Animal Health not charged for this known and persistent cruelty. 1080 does not differentiate between pests and our own native protected wildlife, it kills everything and then kills again through that carcass, then even again when that animal or bird becomes a carcass. Far too many "educated" people with knowledge but no understanding.
gazthewoodsman 1 year ago
If a man can be charged by the police and the SPCA for shooting dogs where a few of them did not die immediately but only a few seconds later, then why are DOC and Animal Health not charged for this known and persistent cruelty. 1080 does not differentiate between pests and our own native protected wildlife, it kills everything and then kills again through that carcass, then even again when that animal or bird becomes a carcass. Far too many "educated" people with knowledge but no understanding.
gazthewoodsman 1 year ago
that is true and a very good fact animal health board do have alot to do with 1080 !!!
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
1080 drop in my backyard, no possums. Great. No Morepork either but who gives a shit, DOC got their target.Just a coincidence. Two years later the Morepork are coming back. Great. So are the possums. Time to kill again. We don't want those noisy little birds keeping us awake do we?
waiotahi52 2 years ago
More Tui and Bell birds than ever before the past spring, 1080 is clearly working well.
However more dialogue needs to be had with hunters to ensure their interest in game animals is catered for. 1080 needs to be managed better not banned.
slooob23 2 years ago
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ABSOLUTELY! do something people!! like get off your ass and do some conservation work..save a wetland...volunteer on a species recovery project...whatever works for you ..but right now native birds and forests are being eaten alive and 1080 is one tool amongst others that we need...untill the "alternatives" arrive.
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
Do something people!!!!!!
JeanDegbeare 2 years ago
I KNOW! lol -there was a few in there!
slidetone61 2 years ago
time will tell and history will show how toxic 1080 is! and u will eat your word's, the lazy ass people are doc they should get off there big fat butts and trap employ the local, oh no they have spent millions on 1080 bait and cant go back! friggn clown's...i know a few off them and they are brain washed !! shouldnt blame them really buck stop's at the top NATIONAL AND LABOUR!!
slidetone61 2 years ago 2
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and your point is...???
birdscantalk 2 years ago
Is 1080 still being used in New Zealand in 2009?
Bobofet241 2 years ago
@Bobofet241 its still being used today
donaldb825 1 year ago
its not about being green mate, its about health of the human race, the thing about spray's chemicals and the likes of 1080 is that it might no kill u outright(maybe if it did people would wake up) but it a slow sickness that we end up going to the doctor for and all they do is load us up on medication ...round and round we go! sickness is money!!! no money in healthy people...
slidetone61 2 years ago
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ahhh ..actually IT IS about being green. ... and it's about seeing past the 'human race' the MOST imbecilic, destructive, selfish and 'shit-in-your-own-nest' species to grace this planet. 1080 is not the issue. The issue is about trying to save the last fragments of this amazing planet ... if all you whining anti 1080 's got out on the coal face and did the work then maybe we could phase out toxins from conservation in Aotearoa.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
its a shame how many of you r such bloody greenies ,
these boys are making a bloody good point.
prailu12 2 years ago
SAME THING! i guess u are in2 spraying all fruit and veg with chemicals aswell, wake up!! next thing you'll be saying you don't mind all the asians coming into this country and ripping us off! u need to go back to you birds nest and give ya egg a good shake...
slidetone61 2 years ago
are you pro 1080 birdbrain i meen birdscantalk, anutha doc worker?
slidetone61 2 years ago
I think the pro vs anti 1080 is too simplistic to help this debate. I'm pro whatever we have available right now, right here that will protect our forests and birds... and no I'm not a DoC worker I'm a long time volunteer (like thousands of other kiwi's) on species and conservation projects.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
your a clown!! lol or a doc brain washed person looking after your job??? am i right?
slidetone61 2 years ago
what's brainwashed about saying that deer, pigs, rats, stoats, possums etc don't belong in our forests. Wake up!! you don't need to work for DoC to know that.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
deer, pigs, cats, dogs, goats have no place in New Zealand forests... Simple
goblinking169 2 years ago
what animals.. ???? list me them!
goblinking169 2 years ago
imageandlikeness you're a LIAR! the question is WHY? I have have lived and worked thru 1080 and Brodifacoum drops and there are no 'thousands of native animals dead". Firstly we don't have native mammals in NZ except for the bat, secondly what you won't see but is happening is the death of thousands of rats and oppossums. GOOD RIDDANCE!
waiheketv 2 years ago
i think imageandlikeness is talking about 'thousands' of native birds(why not tens of thousands? why not millions?) dead after 1080 drops. However you are right he is full of shit ...treated areas are a complete circus of native birds and trees, doing their stuff ...NOT getting eaten alive by possums and rats.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
What a load of emotive crap!
Just read through some of the comments and ask yourself , are anti 1080 people normal?
I can totally understand why hunters are upset that all the introduced animals are dying of this stuff, but the way they pretend to care about NZ native plants and animals is just laughable, I know some of these people and they couldn't give a shit about anything but game animals.
By all means lets try and preserve a resource for Deer stalkers, but don't lie about your motives.
slooob23 2 years ago
No poison is good poison.We end up consuming it in the end and killing ourselves.The people pushing 1080 are afraid of losing their income.What a terrible price to pay.
Bobofet241 2 years ago
@imageandlikeness He kaitiaki a tātou katoa mo te whenua me ngā awa nā te mea he kahurangi nui atu mo te tāpoi me te mahi a te rēhia me hauhake ō te kai ō ngā awa ēnei mea
hippynz 2 years ago
heres my two cents worth,i actually work at the plant in wanganui that produces this product,and i say ban the stuff,the real reason they dont is pure and simple,it all makes perfect sense,DOLLARS AND CENTS.
TheGnomeman666 2 years ago
1080 will affect humans u clown! are u thick?
slidetone61 2 years ago
show me the pair reviewed evidence of this.
goblinking169 2 years ago
deer dogs possums all dont really belong in NZ. ITs good they are dieing so plants and native birds can regenerate. SIMPLE
goblinking169 2 years ago
You dont take in consideration the sufferance of lots of animals, obviously!
The price is too high on expences of innpocent animals targeted from humans as projection and thirst of killing.
But you probably dont get it, clouded into an idea which serves the owner.
That's shame!
madalene2012 2 years ago
no i just see the bigger picture thats all
goblinking169 2 years ago
@goblinking169 why do you hate dogs bro
donaldb825 1 year ago
1080 effects mammals. You guys simply have no ideal about ecology and biodiversity of NZ. 1080 is great... simple
goblinking169 2 years ago
I suspect you may be a mammal...maybe a not very highly evolved, or educated one, but a mammal nonetheless...you said it yourself goblinking...1080 "effects" mammals...did you mean 1080 affects mammals?
warrigulbartlett 2 years ago
i reckon if you spend more time thinking about it you could figure it out yourself.. maybe?
goblinking169 2 years ago
i studied terrestrial ecology at university. All you need to do is spend time in a forest before a drop then 6 months after and you can clearly see a change for the better. Birds calls native regeneration. Pull ya head out ya arse.
goblinking169 2 years ago
It's incredible that you have a university degree, but are virtually illiterate...I can hardly understand what you are trying to say...and how do you know I haven't spent time in the forest pre and post 1080 operation? For your information, I have and my observation is markedly different to yours...who is right and who is lying? My head isn't up my arse, it's held high as I continue to oppose the insidious and ludicrous practice of poisoning our country in the name of "conservation."
warrigulbartlett 2 years ago
Instead of personal comments you should give reasons why you oppose 1080. What native animals and plants do you think 1080 is affecting.
goblinking169 2 years ago
you are so ignorant and it seems you believe in everything what sientist who are probably paid by NZ government or the company which produces 1080 find out. Question is who should shut up...
puchibln 2 years ago
Instead of making comments like "poisoning our country" you should show us evidence of native fauna and animals it is affecting, untill you can then i think you should shut up and go do some scientific research or gather quantitative evidence to support your claim that is poisoning NZ. Do you believe deer, pigs, possums or dogs have no effect on the NZ's natural enviroment?
goblinking169 2 years ago
I have also just finished being apart of a study on the effect of 1080 on kea chicks. You can read the results on the internet. But quite simply no chicks died and mortality rates of new born chicks dropped due to less predation pressure.
goblinking169 2 years ago
The scientific community have already come to a conclusion about 1080 10 years ago/ Lamers like you still cant get ya head around the basic science.
goblinking169 2 years ago
Wow, you've obviously got a real agenda to push this shit haven't you.
LemmingHerda 2 years ago
I think your have weak Animals who now become Host for a Virus and now your Beautiful Zealand will have Creeps Emerging from the Blood Residue and fecal. Its a un natural process in the Bio Network System that will spread..
nipponhouseplayer 2 years ago
we have just had a 1080 drop here on the coromandel thames coast, and low and behold there have been some dogs poisoned after walking on the beach, work it out nz wake up!!! i would say that these sea slugs are actually mice washing down the rivers after being poisoned and on to beach then the poor dogs eat and die...
slidetone61 2 years ago
I'd say you are wrong
gogettagills 2 years ago
oh no dead dogs and mice.
goblinking169 2 years ago
Im a new zealander and against 1080 it kills our precious native birds but the only reason our government doesnt change this is beacause the think there is no other method as effective! yes we shoot possum but it isnt enough to stop these pests from killing our native birds (which are indangered!) People here have protested and protested. Dont cancel your trips here because our government is to dumb to change, its your loss. but if you to have ideas on how else to kill millions of pests speak up
MAORI11000 2 years ago
yes that might be problem but i dont believe 1080 is a solution since it not only kills the mammals but your native animals as well and it affects humans too. that cant be right isnt it? This poison is forbidden to use in most countries because its dangerous and harmful for all animal and humans too.
puchibln 2 years ago
it doen't kill birds you fucken dip shit for brains
goblinking169 2 years ago
i never thought that NZealand government is so stupid and didnt learn from mistakes other nations have done with poison. i really will stop my travel plans for NZ; i am too disappointed.
puchibln 2 years ago
Please write it to the NZ gov, turist section. We all will be grateful and you do something good to the ecosystem.Bless you, Im here and I put up with wthis thing emotionally hurt . This 15 nov there is the national day to protest against 1080. It's something.
madalene2012 2 years ago
i hope you will be successfull with the protests; id there would be an email protest against it i would take part. may be its possible to organize something like this. thank you for the comment!
puchibln 2 years ago
NZ is different that other counties we are one of the only countries that didn't have native terrestrial land mammals. So you cant compare NZ to any other country
goblinking169 2 years ago
that i am aware of; but with 1080 you not only kill the mammals which dont belong to NZ but your native birds and other animals as well and its a matter of fact that 1080 affects humans as well and for that reason is forbidden in most countries!
puchibln 2 years ago
New Zealand is crazy!
annkees 2 years ago
Just canceled my trip to NZ.
RangerDamrod 2 years ago
Don't think you did
gogettagills 2 years ago
i would sugest that the bait block size be smaller as a rodent rat/possom does not need that much to die .This would mean a greater spread for the same amount of bait .alsoless likely to kill none target as they would be less likely to consume alethal dose and secondary poisoning is less likely .If there is a problem good wishes and emotional responses will not do .solutions anyone.
31lea360 2 years ago
i am not a New Zealander just a pest control operator from jamaica .Itseems to me that unless we think that your politicians are all corrupt and evil and none with comon sense then it means you have a huge rodent problem . if this is so then i have not heard from you any real alternative solutions. whilst this documentary is touching it would be far more so if the carcass was that of man having died from the bubonic plague ,etc. diseases {responsible for more deaths than world war 1&2}
31lea360 2 years ago 2
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I am utterly beyond words.
DrLeavingsoon 2 years ago
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cdubwestsyde 2 years ago
Please see the previous comment, regarding TB as a threat.
Oh, by the way, from a scientific perspective, possums aren't the pest that proponents of 1080, make them out to be.
As most experienced bushman can tell you.
Cheers.
stin64 2 years ago
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so why are they the mean carriers of tb are you sayn that they dont have tb and they dont pass it on to cows?
cdubwestsyde 2 years ago
There are other ways to cull a pest. Did you watch the vid? 1080 Kills everything. They should stop it NOW. Instead of spending money on helicopters and posion, employ hunters to hunt possem
unSTEVOED 2 years ago
@stin64
Is that before or after they have cut down a Rata for firewood?
Most "experienced" bushmen in my area couldn't give a rats arse about native wildlife.
I can understand hunters being upset at the indiscriminate loss of the Deer etc, and a logical argument can be formed on this. But they don't form a logical argument, they feign a "concern" for native wildlife that is just garbage.
The latest from these people is the deliberate placement of 1080 in water catchments, credibility crisis?
slooob23 1 year ago
tb means that the farmers cant sell the cows that have tb i think 1080 is all good coz now we cn sell our cows coz of 1080 so keep on droping it. possums are pests kill them all
cdubwestsyde 2 years ago
It is the spector of 1080 in our meat that will see an end to our exports, not TB.
It is safe to eat TB infected meat. In fact, meat detected with TB goes to local market, so we are eating it anyway.
The new documentary we are working on shows that live stock is being piosoned in aerial operations, and covered up with false invoices and confidentiality agreements. It
is the spector of 1080 in NZ meat that will see an end to our exports, not TB. cheers.
stin64 2 years ago
more 1080 free hunting reserves wood fix the problem or deer repelent in the 1080
TheTamaiti 2 years ago
@stin64
You're also a moron. Overseas markets will not import TB infected meats, which will destroy our economy.
1080 is aimed at killing mammals. It is perfectly capable of killing livestock, which is why it is used with operating standards, to minimise these effects.
When applied correctly 1080 is a perfectly safe option, and the only option for protecting our environment.
Sub-lethal doses of 1080 contracted are expelled from the body, and non-tracable. Learn your facts.
dodlord 1 year ago
. And we simply don't have the man power to effectively compare to the job the 1080 does and if Tb were to become out of control we would lose our export { dairy,beef etc} which is every ones bread and butter. We would be up shit creek without a paddle. I don't like it as much as you do but I do see the reality of trying to change the method..
hellcats9 2 years ago
It is sad but without our agriculture export we would be a third world country. A different way of controlling the spread of TB pests would cost more than 1080. So you would have to have to ask the New Zealand public would they be prepared to have that extra cost reflected in the tax they pay. At the moment the lower income earners are finding hard to afford the necessity's.
hellcats9 2 years ago
Hi, thanks for your comments.
You raise two issues here - the cost of possum control - and TB in the meat.
The Animal Health Board conducted a study, and found that possums could be easily managed at the pasture margins, for TB, by ground control. They found it would only cost UP TO 20% more. As scientists, on our new documentary, say - who doesn't think it is worth it - to manage with ground control, rather than indiscriminate poison??
Please see next comment, for next reply.
stin64 2 years ago
I agree NZ needs its export market. At the moment our meat is not tested for 1080 residues I believe this is something that importing coutnries will demand in the future. How can we gaurantee 1080 is not already in our food chain. Once international interest in NZ's use of 1080 happens our countrys exports will be over. Once 1080 kills all our natural wildlife and poisons our country our tourist indusry will also be over! Yes it will be sad but it will not be the threat of TB that does it!
tigerlilly294 2 years ago 4
@hellcats9
During 1970's I shot, trapped Poisoned (cyanide) over 30,000 possums.
Did not see one with TB.
Of over 2000 deer shot I only had one showed TB."sign". It was shot in Mamakus and is the ONLY deer ever recorded in this area with "sign" of TB
joethefisho 1 year ago
Dozens Of Cunts killing my beloved deer i can put food on the table for myself and most of my friends and full the gas tank up and keep my younger cousins out of trouble while they learn to be hunters. Hunting saved me from crime as i was to busy hunting to get into trouble why is DOC so determined to destroy it and i dont care what they say it knocks the hell out of the birdlife, Possums to kill the birds but 1080 does it better, blocks that get trapped are bird heavens and provide an income
horey188 2 years ago
Spot on!
We have just return from the Te Urewera National park, Waikaremoana area, which has never been aerially poisoned with 1080. We use this area as a control, to compare with similar areas around the country, that have been repeatably poisoned. The birdlife is ALWAYS, PROFOUNDLY, more apparent in areas that have NO 1080. Variety of species is also obvious - as in 1080'd areas, many bird species are missing. This observation is easily provable. We recommend a SANE comparison should be made
stin64 2 years ago
I used to live near a national park and a few years after the first 1080 drop the bird life was amazing, never in my 15 years before the 1080 drop had i heard so much singing. Kiwis are now making a comeback along with other native birds. Possums eat native bird eggs and destroy native tree. I do not like the sufffering that was shown in you video, but there are no deer or pigs the park here we have got rid of them because they are pests to. Pick the lesser of two evils and i go with 1080
OBL23 3 years ago
Thanks for your comments - but they are based on propaganda.
From a scientific standpoint, 1080 kills birds, not saves them. In all areas where 1080 has been repeatably applied, bird life is reduced, with some species missing all together. In area's that have not had 1080 applied, the bird life is at its greatest. This is provable, any day of the week.
If you really want to see the truth about 1080 - watch the new doco "Poisoning Paradise - Ecocide in New Zealand" and be shocked! - Out 20/03/09
stin64 3 years ago
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OBL23 2 years ago
For a while I lived on the West Coast on a dairyfarm in Barrytown. On that farm were pockets of native bush that were (of course) excluded from 1080 drops. You step into those pockets and you couldn't hear yourself think for the sound of the birdlife.
Now, go to Blackball and up over the Croesus Track (same area but a 1080 drop zone) and on a good day you'd be lucky to hear one or two birds - the place was dead.
The difference: 1080
And the possums were still around; I trapped that area.
Tomeccho 2 years ago
doc =department of cockups go to pueora state forest and see or hear the effects of 1080 the forest is dead
fetufab 3 years ago
1080 should be banned IMO It's a horrific way for an animal to die,I under feral deer are a problem but shooting them would be a better,more effectiff way to kill them
balto4 3 years ago
contd. either way, i want far more restrictions on drops, its killing all our deer and pigs, but thats right, i dont really think DOC care about hunters, they just want them all gone.
nzoomed 3 years ago
contd again i dont think its a good idea doing the drops but i cant really beleive that it can get into the water tables that easily and its supposed to break down fast in water anyway, and even if it was in the water its not strong enough to kill us unless we drunk a million litres or something crazy like that. isint it supposed to be a naturally occuring chemical in plants?
nzoomed 3 years ago
1080 occurs naturally in plants....... just like cyanide and thousands of other nerve toxins. Some people say its no worse than a packet of salt & vinegar chips, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating chips. I've never heard of a bird being poisoned by 1080 in the water, but 33% of the monitored Kea in a 1080ed were killed by 1080.1080 decomposes in water after 24 hours, plenty of time for an animal or person to drink it.
Ruru7x57 3 years ago
Those kea actually ate the 1080 pellets as they were used to being hand fed in the area and thought the pellets were some sort of "food", as they werent used to eating natural sources only. There is no way that a few 1080 pellets in the water would kill the kea, as there would have to be tons dumped in the river to kill anything, a few pellets in the river is like a drop in the bucket. what im not happy about 1080 is its willy nilly use, killing deer, pigs etc, only should be used where needed
nzoomed 3 years ago
I'm a hunter as well, all the pig and deer kills piss me off too. Its also important to remember that its killing off natives too. The Kea likely did eat whole baits, but I'm also corncerned the 1080 that reaches streams will kill off any native frogs in the area. Frogs are very sensitive to toxins since they don't have a wter proof skin and so abosorb poison directly fom skin contact.
Ruru7x57 3 years ago
I agree, things like the frogs would be at risk, DOC say that they now use GPS to keep away from rivers! lol i dont beleive them, as they are still getting pellets in the water, i think 1080 needs a serious review on its use, i dont think it should be banned yet as its the best weve got, but it should be used in bait stations where possible, and strict helicopter drops in remote areas. We seriously need a better alternative though, i shoot them all the time, get money for the fur, thats a start.
nzoomed 3 years ago
With possum fur now at $105/kg its easy to make a fair amount of cash. An alternative to 1080 would be to open up the national parks for .22 calibre rifles. As long as its made clear to all the hunters that only possums can be shot with a .22 calibre inside the park boundaries, there shouldn't be any problems.
Ruru7x57 3 years ago
isint it supposed to be a naturally occuring chemical in plants? either way, i want far more restrictions on drops, its killing all our deer and pigs, but thats right, i dont really think DOC care about hunters, they just want them all gone.
nzoomed 3 years ago
contd...i dont think its a good idea doing the drops but i cant really beleive that it can get into the water tables that easily and its supposed to break down fast in water anyway, and even if it was in the water its not strong enough to kill us unless we drunk a million litres or something crazy like that.
nzoomed 3 years ago
contd..ive heard so much from both sides now i am confused on whats real, are birds really getting poisoned from drinking water in a puddle where there is a dead 1080 poisoned animal? i would of thought that it wouldnt of been strong enough by the time the animal had rotted away etc the 1080 breaks down rather fast doesnt it?
nzoomed 3 years ago
whats the story with this 1080? i dont know what to beleive, this doco is good, i am against 1080 drops unless its the first time and the possums are really infested and its hard to access, but i think 1080 bait stations are ok as only possums can eat it out of the bait stations.
nzoomed 3 years ago
con•ser•va•tion (k n sûr-v sh n)
n.
1. The act or process of conserving.
b. The protection, preservation, management, or restoration of wildlife and of natural resources such as forests, soil, and water.
ox•y•mo•ron
n. pl. ox•y•mo•ra or ox•y•mo•rons
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist. Here's a new one....... New Zealand Department of Conservation
waiotahi52 3 years ago
Bravo!
Tomeccho 2 years ago
Absolutely disgusting! STOP THE DROP!!!
robinsgirl51 3 years ago
Am I in the wrong film here?
Is that really true?
Or is it a trailer for the next Hollywood horror production?
fuzzyjazz 3 years ago
Unfortunately funnyjazz, this is total fact.
this new doco - due for release in 2 months - is far more scary and revealing. this practice still goes on, in greater intensity and against public outcry, on a weekly basis.
Keep watching....
stin64 3 years ago
thanks for your comments finnoil. We are working on a new doco, much harder hitting, with great science, graphic footage and great interviews. Out soon, keep your eyes open - there's gonna be some big questions to answer. best.
stin64 3 years ago
i was rayzed,if u kill it eat it,make them eat the shit see how they like it ,1080 has just been droped in my area so thats hunting out the window and how many native animals have 2 die ,poison every were,now the powers to be want to dam the most clean pure river we have,blue duck,native snail,kiwi,eels,the list gos on,
finnoil 3 years ago
what river is that? all this kyoto carbon trading anoys me, and at expense they want to build more hydro dams! cant they just build another coal power station?
nzoomed 3 years ago
west coast, south island, north of westport [mokihinui river]
finnoil 3 years ago
i just want to take an RPG and blow as many of those helecopters out of the sky as i posibly can...
igotbored44 3 years ago
its not the helicopters or pilots that are ordering the 1080, its other people. they are just the distributors. im a heli pilot, and id rather see you shot then any helicopter
vortexringstate123 3 years ago
meh, what i wrote was kinda harsh, but still.
igotbored44 3 years ago
this is a fucking discrase to new zealand ( keep it green stop poising our natral forrest's
Aaron123456789h 3 years ago
How bloody lazy are we getting if the gov payed even $14 an hour i bet you would get a lot more trappers out there, hell even i would be keen.
gregggiddens 3 years ago
plants and animals live togetter in a "symbiotic relation" you could say.
Wildlife will eat and spread the seads so new plants will grow, each animal preforms menny usefull things just like this one.
So dropping this poison that kills all animals will damage the whole area, maybe not directly but indirectly over a period of few years.
The only creature not in a symbiotic relation with its enviroment is us, so we should really look on how to improve ourselfs towards what damage we do.
aces9876 3 years ago 2
In reading your reply - the 'educated' government officials would say - see...see how these red necks re-act to our "honest" efforts in keeping New Zealand "clean and green"!!!!
In reality - you are 100% correct.
The propaganda pushing "Nazi" type officials insist poisoning our wild areas is "our only defense" against possums from over taking the world. "We are a nation without teeth" they cry! We are a nation of spineless rats being led to the slaugther by the Pied Piper..our own government
stin64 3 years ago
i am human, i am ashamed to be called a human. how did we ever get this evil? 1080 like, partial birth abortions mass farming/sloughtering of animals is just another example of how wrong we've got things. God knows this planet is better off without humans we do more damage to our enviroment than possums ever could
nineinchmaynard 3 years ago
Man is far more destructive to our native species and virgin bush than the wild creatures that inhabit it.
(NZ, to this day, is still clear felling bush country for farming)
And if that is not enough, Man, while in his evil trance, chooses to invent nasty stories about the wild animals that dwell there and intentionally mis-leads the people he re-presents, all to feed his own parisitic position of power. Enough to make you vomit really.
stin64 3 years ago
Although I dont agree with the use of 1080 poison, I think people are denying fact when they argue that possums are not a big problem to the environment.
qwertykiwi 3 years ago
Hi, do you base your comments on experience? If so,in what areas have you witnessed possum damage?
Personally, we have lived a major part of our lives in and around New Zealand's national parks. We are still yet to find any evidence of possum damage. Most damage is caused by snow, then wind, then insects, then disease, followed by many other causes - New Zealand bush can easily withstand animal browse, just as any other country in the world.
stin64 3 years ago
Kia ora, although I dont have any professional experience with dealing to possums, I have travelled fairley extensively throughout the South Island. Because NZ was isolated for so long with only a handful of mammals(bats ect), the native flora have yet to build defence mechanisms, that are present in many plant species that have been exposed to grazing animals. Animals such as pigs, deer and goats eat and destroy large tracks of land through grazing. Possums tend to only eat the new growth.
qwertykiwi 3 years ago
...What this does is it prevents growth of the trees. It has been estimated there are approx 70million possums in NZ, which adds up to 20,000T of vegitation eaten per night. Native trees such as rata, totara ,pohutukawa, are extensively grazed by possums. This creates competion for food and nesting area space with native birds. But I am not denying that 1080 kills indescriminatley, and I believe aerial drops and its use needs to be stopped for good of the greater environment.
qwertykiwi 3 years ago
Hi again. Actually, we had the giant Moa, all over New Zealand, at altitudes of up to 17oo mtr. These guys were destructive browsers, ripping and tearing the foliage. We had numerous ground birds, perhaps millions of them, all ripping and tearing at the plants and bush.
There is an extensive propaganda campaign running in NZ, and unfortunately most of their argument toward possums numbers is grossly exagerated. 70,000 possums, no where near it. 20,000 tons of browsing = 25,000t of re-growth.
stin64 3 years ago
I guess theres no truley accurate way to conclusivley prove or disprove possum population.
qwertykiwi 3 years ago
I don't mean to sound mean, but the possum has been here for over 100 years, and the bush is in fine condition. Actually, there is little diffrence between where 1080 poison has been dropped, and where it hasn't - apart from the forest being void of life where it has. 1080 poison is bad for New Zealand, just as 245T and agent orange was bad for Vietnam. Time will be the final proof, unfortunately. all the best.
stin64 3 years ago
what a pair of drongos
Siriaan 3 years ago
The chemical is produced in only one place, Tull Chemical Co. in Alabama give them a call
SPACE3200 4 years ago
I watched this doco and noticed they found quite a few deer but no pigs.not many pigs up them ways then?
Surfcastin07 4 years ago
Yes, there were very few Pigs in those areas where the filming was done. Pigs aren't present all through the Te Urewera national Park, with plenty of areas having none at all. Most of the areas searched were higher up the ridges, due to the serious snow damage in the lower gullies. Also, pigs have the reflex of vomitting, so can eject the poison as soon as indications of poisoning are felt. This results in fewer pigs fatally poisoned by 1080, however, they still suffer non-fatal consequences.
stin64 4 years ago
True.Still it was pretty shocking to see some good stags and a few well conditioned hinds left there to rot after being poisoned.I couldnt get over the amount of land they said they were poisoning in a year.I dont agree with ariel poisoning but I guess we can speak up all we want about it but in the end we are still powerless to stop it arent we??
Surfcastin07 4 years ago
We are making progress with the councils - keeping the individual councilors - whom have the power to vote on the use of 1080 - informed. The new ones, recently voted in are shocked at what is going on. Unfortunately, the ones who have been in for several terms are brainwashed and matey with the bosses involved with spreading the stuff.
I still say, the truth will prevail, and this act of insanity will be forced back to where it came from - from within the ignorant minds of its proponents.
stin64 4 years ago
DOC would'nt do it if they did'nt have to. How do you all think we should control possum numbers then? You all need to look at the bigger picture. Trappers have never controlled possum numbers and they never will (ok, maybe the areas near roads). I think 1080 is horrible stuff but there is simply no other option.
vhpacer 4 years ago
$80 million is spent on 1080 poison campaigns in NZ, annually.
The possum propaganda message is what drives approvals for the funding of the poison operations.
The fact is - possums are not taking over the world, and are not the threat to forests or the farming industry, that they are reported to be.
Disperse the $80 mil among the people in the form of a bounty system, and as historically proven, the bounty system would put an immediate halt to indiscriminate 1080poisoning in New Zealand.
stin64 4 years ago
Rubbish! The bounty scheme was stopped for a reason. I can't be bothered going into it but I'm sure your mates at your local DOC office will fill you in. In theory the bounty system is an excellent idea but it would never work out there in the real world. Get a helicopter ride deep into Westland or the Te Ureweras (at least 10km+ from any road) and have a look at what the possums get up to. Then you might understand a bit better.
vhpacer 4 years ago
We spend alot of time, deep in the Urewera's, and many other areas, and we observe the facts, rather than rely on printed propaganda.
If possible, perhaps you could take a look in the back country, and apart from severe snow damage from a massive snow fall 2 winters ago, the bush is in great condition. Even the snow damage is recovering rapidly, even with the presence of possums.
The bounty system was highly succesful when trialed in the 50's, or 60's, with over 12 million possums recovered.
stin64 4 years ago
If the bounty system was highly successful it would still be going today.
vhpacer 4 years ago
Is there any need to keep doing ariel drops over huge areas annually though? Like stin64 said about the bounty system recovering over 12million possums,There wouldnt be 30million possums left in this country.Ive shot the bastards my whole life and you just dont get them like you used to and the ones we do find are bordering farmland.Cant 1080 them ones.
Surfcastin07 4 years ago
hmmm... thousands of able-bodied unemployed that need something to do... millions of possums that need trapping and eradicating... fur selling for $105/kg... $80million per annum spent on 1080...
Did someone mention 'Bounty'??
Anyone else see where Im going with this?
It'll work if its the only way the able-bodied unemployed can get a dollar or two. And yeah, I KNOW Im going to get crucified for saying that... Tough shit aye.
Tomeccho 2 years ago