this is why I can't bring myself to talk openly with my dad about atheism. my dad is a smart guy, very critical of a lot of things, but he lost his dad ten years ago, and I remember how sad that time was.
If Religion is a painkiller then society is the whipping boy the pain is transferred to. Gay, lesbian, atheists, woman and people of differing views suffer for that sense of a pain killer. If someone is of the opinion it may not be true but it feels good vastly underestimates the societal side effects of this drug. If only there were a warning label.
Thank you so very much. I am an American indoctrinated since childhood. Religion is evil, very evil. My (now ordained preacher) ex-husband beat me to the point of broken bones, and even a dented skull and I was told to stay with him, it was "god's" will. I am an intelligent woman, but brainwashing is hard to overcome. I eventually realized prayers are wishes and wishes only happen if you make them. Had I seen your videos I would have escaped so much earlier. Again, Thank You
@imthedonna I'm sorry to hear that, dear. I'm sorry you were misguided by people who were obviously narrow-minded and biased. God doesn't expect us to tolerate abuse like you speak of. However, He is real, He does love you, and being set free of pain and bondage is not religious, not complicated. We need God, plain and simple. Many people are led astray by selfish motives and desires. There's a huge difference in knowing about God, and knowing the living God. People can embitter you to deception
@chriswooten7 There is no God. I'm glad you take comfort in your delusions. Read the entire Bible, not just the parts cherry picked. I am much happier now that I see and openly live the truth. The evil perpetuated by the God of the Bible, Qur'an and other religious texts exactly mirrors the evils done in the name of these religions. We are not made in God's image, God is fashioned by us in ours.
@imthedonna So, all the claims that there is no absolute truth only applies to God. My redeemer lives, and your disbelief harms yourself more than anyone, although it does affect others, because it drives your thoughts, which drive your actions. Ignorance is bliss, as anyone can 'cherry pick' negative evidence to support their self-deluded desires. Evopollution is the greatest example of this I can offer. You were born with knowledge and curiosity about God, it takes work to suppress this.
@chriswooten7 Also, the 'God' of the Qur'an is not the living God. He's a dead god, an idol, just like evolution. Deny all you wish, you have faith. Maybe it's in the government, maybe the economy, maybe pleasure, power and control, sex, money, drugs or alcohol, whatever you have expectations of to bring you satisfaction is your god. The major difference in humans is that they were made to worship something. You have faith in the giver of life, or things given or created. There's no escaping it.
@RationalDrinker Wow, that's deep. You know, I try to find the ones who want help, or truly have questions. Scoffing, childish 'adults' are not where my time will be invested. Ignorance is bliss, right? Anyone who makes effort to carry the things like bitterness, envy, rage, self-pity, has a choice. Some know something's wrong, and want to know there's an option. While some want to keep the dead weight, and get some kind of satisfaction from the excuses, like it 'justifies' for their character.
@chriswooten7 Sorry,batshitcrazy troll isn't someone I'm going to try to have a discussion with. I wasn't born with knowledge and curiosity about God, that was brainwashed into me as an infant. People I know who were raised Atheist have never been given him a thought. Evolution is based on literally billions of pieces of actual physical evidence. God is created by humans in their own cruel image. Read your bible and see just how evil god really is. Go troll somewhere else.
I went through a few years of desperate mental stress caused by my continuing realization that the god I had believed in and devoted so much of my life to was illogical, and not at all what I thought he was.
I struggled between the hell of believing that I was being damned and the hell of losing everything I deemed valuable.
Took about 5 years to get over it, but I can say now that I`m out of it, I couldn`t feel better.
@Avitinyourface No if thats all we knew we would still be in the bronze age, and our life expectency would still be around the age of 25, no agriculture, cars, and any modern technology.
I agree with what you said about the bullshit claims you would make on someone elses death bed just to make them feel better.
I'm sure that many atheists would do a death bed conversion not for themselves (how could they if they don't believe), but as a sacrifice for their loved ones, to save their love ones from a life time of stress and worries because him not being saved.
indoctrination? brainwashing? mind rape seems more appropriate a term and as its kids that are indoctrinated into religion .....i think you see where im going with this
I've never experienced any 'relief' from mental anguish through appeals to God, however I know what you a talking about.
When you suffer from mental illness (such as psychosis), it's easy to mistake one's own imagination and intuition for being 'divine voices' and other supernatural ideas.
Naw I wouldn`t call it cruel, so much as a solid slap to the face. If you couldn`t get out of fan hitting shit yourself you rely on God instead of your own ability, your own willingness to grow and learn from the situation, becoming better people for it, it`s completely stupid. Maybe necessary, but still stupid.
ALL HAIL THE DIVINE GHOUDA, OUR CHEESY DEITY HAS RETURNED IN THE FORM OF GHOUDATHULHU! GHOUDATHULHU FHTAGN, HERE TO SAVE US FROM THE DARK LORD CHEESE STRING AT LAST!
@Zuifan Though, in all fairness, age can be a factor. Back when I was ten or so, I heard the Bloody Mary story. For almost a month, I'd sleep with the door open, and whenever I heard the floor creak, I'd mumble something along the line of 'there's nothing to fear, God is real, he won't let it happen' over and over again. While yes, it did help me through a fearful month, I realize now how gullible I was.
@samib21 And you are a dingleberry which is not aware that it is sinning against the great butt-crack in the sky by swearing (An-Anam 6: 10,Quran 16:125, one of the three sins of hypocrisy, etc.)
Read your stinky pile of used toilet paper before insulting (and sinning against allah) someone who is talking calmly, peacefuly, patiently, nicely and friendly.
I'm an atheist and I know more about islam than you; LEARN from this experience and become a better muslim (or even a better man maybe).
"they may need that relief more then they need reality" such a true statement for most people of faith, my mom was trying to get me to believe in god again by saying that, he is someone we can hand our problems off to so we are worry free for that moment. I dont think she will ever let the notion of a god go but if she is happy i dont mind
ok so god first introduced a talking snake,than he kicks adam ever and the two kids out of eden. even though there are no others on earth adam kills his brother and finds his wife in the land of nod. later god raped a virgin uneducated young girl impregnating her. after his son is born god anounces he and his son are one so he allows the son to be killed to save yuo. however if yuo fail to pass his test he will boil yuo in eternal sulphur pits to show his love.
But you have to terribly retarded not simply depressed and in anguish to believe in either christianity or islam. you make a mistake of assuming that these are the only two spiritual paths available. make your own god.
mental anguish = panic attacks. It sucks. I completely agree with this post. I've tried to emphatically, irrevocably prove the existence of ghosts and god and the afterlife simply to take away the feeling of sheer panic at the thought of death.
Luckily I've been able to challenge my beliefs and irrational fears. I can't figure out why this happened? Why have so few of us been able to seek comfort in truth, when others haven't?
Here's something to think about: what if our universe and everything inside it is a computer program created by some software engineer. I think this is very likely (if advancements in computer science is uninterrupted , we'll be able to do this in the future) and in this scenario, the creator would seem to have omnipotence and could be considered God like. Now would it be illogical to worship this creator who has the power to erase you from the program with the push of a button...
Yep, that's exactly what happened. And it's exactly why I questioned myself for doubting it. And that's exactly why I felt forced to believe in it until about 2 years ago.
And also:
"So we wrote our own, and the problems started." It's fascinating how easily you can summarize things like that.
People abandon religion in moments of extreme anguish too. I don't think it's so much about feeling good as trying to take a different course, since the one you previously had wasn't working. It's more about the character of the individual than the course of action. Religion isn't always warm and fuzzy either.
Ahh I've had a moment like that, except I never thought of it as a god - I thought of it as a spiritual realization. Everything became beautiful, everything though everything was crappy. But it was beautiful by itself!! Without any god or religion. 'Twas awesome! :D and your analogy to painkillers is amazing.
you seem to have a lot of negative things to say. But I value your opinions you share in a calm respectable way. As human we thrive when we work and are faced with struggles and are happier when we genuinely helping someone other than ourselves. In that respect I can see how the teachings of Jesus can lead to "salvation".
"GOD" is real, "it" just isn't described by religion and doesn't interfere with it's creation, including the pain caused by Nature and the atrocities perpetrated by men. So beg it all you want, religious people, if it makes you feel better. GOD loves you but it loves you just as you are, from moment to moment, in despair or pure joy. GOD loves each of us as we love the molecules that build the cells of our bodies -- from a distance and with no thought to the welfare of each individual.
part 3 @luce GODs love is self-evident, as we sense that real Love is the best kind. So rewording your questions, how can Love love us but have no opinions about our welfare? and how could Love create the universe without forcing its creation to become something it did not choose to be? can both be answered with, because real Love does not judge and real Love does not force; real Love honors freedom and facilitates individuality, unafraid of the outcome.
@leananshae Real evident in Haiti, eh? And to the poor folk who died from Hurricane Katrina... And babies that are born with terrible genetic defects... And monsoons and other natural disasters... Either god exists and he is (A) a bumbling, loving, powerless fool, or (B) an all powerful hateful bastard. The third option is (C) he doesn't exist. I pick option (C) which is born out by evidence and logical consistency.
@OspacemarineO ...call it what you will -- GOD, Unifying Principle, a non-human intelligence superior ("above", not "better") to Nature -- there is "something" pervading the universe which no scientist or atheist can explain away. It's not an angry, vengeful war god, nor a Nature deity taking pleasure in watching people suffer. It created the format for freedom and intent and it leaves all of its creations to do what they choose to do. Why are you looking for the god of Christianity in my words?
@leananshae Or call it your own fanciful imagination. No such thing exists in the sciences, nothing pervades, other than quantifiable and evident things. To attribute the existence of the universe to this shadowy "something" is ludicrous. Your own emotional need for a supernatural thing that created the universe does not equal the thing existing. I never mentioned the god of christianity. You did.
@OspacemarineO Science and religion are not equipped to find what I'm talking about. It's not shadowy. It's not something you can test. And I'm not emotionally distraught about the idea of the non-existence of GOD... I was an atheist for 20 years. I know how you feel, I think. I said the same things. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just trying to encourage you to keep an open mind and keep looking, that's all. If you don't sense it, then that's cool. But I do. No biggy.
@leananshae However, if this "something" exists, it is either evil, or incapable of preventing suffering caused by natural disatsters. As I mentioned early.
@OspacemarineO Part 1 Haiti example: There's no better place within reach (for now) for Man to be but here on Earth & unfortunately, the Earth has its own "agenda" which it is unconstrained from pursuing. Plate tectonics is one of those "agendas". Thing is, humanity has evolved its sciences enough to know about earthquakes and has at its disposal the means to build safer buildings and/or move people away from e.q. zones. Should we blame GOD for things we let happen? Poverty is man's doing.
@OspacemarineO Part 2 So, are you saying that if there is a GOD, it is obligated to interfere with the Earths freedom to follow its true nature? And if so, does that demand for interference extend to men? Do you really want a heavenly tyrant who inserts himself in the decisions you make for yourself? And the fact that it doesnt interfere, is that proof that it doesnt exist or is evil? This criteria for proof of GOD is based on Xtianity's lies about divinity, & we know Yahweh is a myth.
@leananshae Note that I only mention natural disasters, entirely outside the purvey of man. Allowing these disasters to occur makes the all powerful being evil, or powerless.
@luce... sorry about the 4 parts and them being all scrambled... I had a tough time getting them sorted, thus the deleted comments below. Hope this addressed what you were asking. And thanks for your gentle query. Rare for youtube! : )
my pleasure :) and thank you for your lovely response, scrambled and all ;)
i like your approach to the whole idea. im an atheist, and have come to some tense moments with religious people, particularly on youtube, but what they dont seem to understand is its not the belief in GOD that i have a problem with, its the religion that follows, with all its rigid rules and ideas. it can be dangerous. i agree with you that everyone should discover this sort of thing on their own, instead of being told
I used to think of myself as an Atheist, too, but now consider myself a non-religious Theist since giving myself permission to define GOD outside of religion's attempt to trademark the word's meaning. And weirdly enough, I realized that when I let religion define GOD, I was actually complying with their rules! And, that made me a follower of sorts, which in turn made me really uneasy once I figured it out!
understandably! religion has always made me feel uneasy, even when i was a little kid. i couldnt understand how they were just so sure they were right about everything, and discouraged people from questionig it. wasnt interested in being turned into a sheep! everyone needs to make their own decisions with this, instead of simply being told what to believe..
part 4 @luce When we let go of our small ideas about Love, we learn about GOD. And each of us is learning in their own way and in their own time, so religion -- with its cookie cutter rituals and prayers -- is a refuge for those who wont go look for themselves.
part 2 @luce So we owe it to ourselves to examine the real meaning of Love, free from the threat or enticement that religion uses to gain authority in our relationship with GOD. When we define GOD as Love and we come to understand that Love, real Love -- not the addictive love we tend to experience in romance nor the overseeing love of worried parents -- we find that Love is about letting each other be who we are in the moment, regardless of weakness or faults.
part 1 @luce When we stop trying to make something outside of ourselves responsible for our own lives, when we realize that Nature is a huge impersonal mechanism filled with chemistry and physics, free to seek balance as it sees fit (and not with human drives or intellect), when we understand that no human authority or group can intervene for us when Nature does what it does... the only mystery left is Love. Love is alive in the human heart and it is the sign that GOD is real.
@OspacemarineO oops I accidently clicked "remove" while scrolling down the page. I really don't like the new youtube format with these invisible buttons that only show up if the cursor moves over them!
@leananshae I'm pretty willing to consider new ideas. If they don't meet the standards for being good ones, I generally discard them. Would you consider the idea that your subjective sensing of this "something" may be no more than that? Subjective?
Part 1 Who decided it was wrong, invalid or faulty to experience this "something" in an individual way? Religion tells us that we can't do that because they seek authority over our spiritual lives, & science isn't even concerning itself with individual experiences, as it is forced by its mandate for reproducible results to look at things from a group experience as well. Thing is, what I'm trying to describe to you IS individual, by definition! It's not prescribable nor objective.
@OspacemarineO Part 2 An illustration: If you & I walked down the same street together, each with a camera, taking pictures simultaneously at regular intervals, do you think we would both end up with the same photos at the end of that walk? Now, if my photos are different from yours, does that mean I didn't take that walk or somehow my photos are faulty? That's the same thing with this "something". I can't show you your perspective. I can only tell you about the street & show you my own pics.
@leananshae Also, your assertion that ""GOD" is real" has little basis in reality, and is no more than an assertion. An assertion that is not backed by evidence.
@OspacemarineO Have you ever "lost" the can opener in the utensil drawer? It's there right? You just can't see it because it blends in with everything else. Do you say it's unreal when it "vanishes" into the background? Well, do you think that this "something" is any less real just because you can't differentiate it among all your ideas about what it SHOULD be. Is it good science even to decide something isn't real unless you see it for yourself? Is "not looking" the same as "not there"?
@OspacemarineO Look, Ospace, I think you and I can at least agree on one thing: Almost ANY other choice is better than seeing our lives thru' religious lenses, right? Religion is a scourge, an untreated mental health pandemic, a system that we can no longer sit idly by and allow to do as it pleases with impunity. We at least must speak up and throw some light on its obvious designs to subjugate mankind! I'm with you on that point. And better Atheist than religious, I say. So, rock on!
@OspacemarineO GOD=Love, & it does help us, if we let it. If we're convinced it's not there & then we angrily reject it, it respects our demand to figure stuff out on our own & steps back -- metaphorically speaking. Specifically, to prevent suffering, Love informs us beforehand how to approach tough situations so we can avoid them when possible. And to ease suffering, Love infuses us with hope & dignity so we can overcome hardship. Love offers wisdom, if we "listen", and with wisdom, we evolve.
@leananshae That's a complete bullshit. How many wars were started 'cause the religion said that god will love us if we kill the unbelievers? Where is the love in the Crusades? Atheist are generally more peaceful that believers and love will still exist even when we completely reject an omnipotent god because love is nothing more than a chemical reaction happening in our brains, there's no soul that makes you love someone, it's just your brain recognizing someone similar to yourself.
@Sh1n0kk I already addressed similar concerns in previous posts I've mad on this video... but to recap... I'm not referring to the god of Christianity or any other religion. And yes, as I stated before, IMO atheism is a good starting point and is preferable to being religious.
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You misunderstand what Heaven actually is Phil- you define it as "eternal bliss" Heaven is wonderful but unless you love God you would hate it. There is no freedom from God in Heaven. This is where His will is done perfectly all the time. True Christians have no problem with this. We either belong to sin or to God. To quote the words from a Christian song "for it is only in Your will, that I am free" I'm not trying to Christianise you Phil, just suggesting your understanding isn't quite accurate
All Scripture was inspired of God Phil. By his sovereign will he chose whom he chose to write the Scriptures under His inspiration. Yet the Christian has God himself. Not just a Bible. This is the mistake so many people make. They think we have a "church" or a "belief system", etc. The Christian has Jesus Christ.
With all honesty Phil, out of all the atheists on youtube, if I had to be locked in a room for a week with one of them, I would probably chose you.
@rbright79, and from our point of view scripture was not inspired by god, we have significant amounts of evidence to say otherwise. Hence, why Phil was speaking from the evidence, not a blind-faith belief.
But God is immunitble. Your trust is in a system where belief systems are constantly changing. For example, this nonsense about the global warming crisis. In the 80's it was the hole in the ozone layer (funny how no one even mentions it now) and in the 70's it was global cooling (scientists feared pollution would cause an ice age). My trust is in God. Not in man who keeps changing his mind every five minutes about the "facts".
@rbright79 - god's word seems to change quite a bit too. "4 corners of the earth" anyone? No flat earth on the globe I'm sat on. As for the horrendous ranting of the old testament - just urgh. The story of god changes all the time, it seems about the least constant thing of all. No idea what "immunitble" is btw do you make up words for fun? Your concept of belief system is wrong btw. We observe evidence and then posit new causes. That's science.
@rbright79 By your own admission then, Yahweh is fallible. Look for yourself. Please explain the error within the first 2 pages of Genesis where you can find Adam being created twice. If your scripture is divinely inspired & your deity is so sloppy, then it's a logical conclusion that your sacred text is a flawed work. Why would you trust such a badly edited document? That's divine? Why don't you expect better from your god?
I'm only about halfway through this vid, but the opposite of what phil is describing happened to me. It was mental anguish (it started as discontent and yearning for more) that led me away from god. Then, I just sort of woke up and snapped out of the anguish when I accepted reality and saw the beauty in a godless world. As "jack" says in Fight Club, "losing all hope was [is] freedom." I lost all hope of being "saved" and accepted that only I can save myself in this "new" world. 'Tis grand.
@infectingthecrypts Not needing saving is such a relief, right? And seriously, the only thing I needed saving from was the terror Christianity tried to fill me with about the afterlife. Without heaven and hell, religions are impotent. And why people still give them that power is mind boggling to me! What happens to us after we die has nothing to do with the lives we have to live, here and now! Like Hawking said when asked about what happened before the Big Bang: "It has nothing to do with me."
Excellent video!! I was fooled into this religious cult called Christianity by my brother who was fooled into it by a college mate! My experience was in dealing with a time of depression and religion was a pain medicine for 31 years! I only recently jumped on the side of reason and am glad for doing so! NO REGRETS!
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you think you are wise?
to talk about there is know god yes there is a god and at the end of your life you will see end you will be shamed and sorry for what you said en did look around brother and tell me if there is no god dont come up with there is wars and hunger yes there is but who is creating them god? or us the humans?
First, I am really sorry you never got a proper education.
Secondly, if god puts me to hell because I did not believe in him while he never showed himself to me, he is unfair. He has never been proven.
And "god" kills a myriad of people through natural disasters, more than any war can. And all the evil is not imemdiately action by humans. He punishes us, possibly? How many babies has he killed before they were born, or shortly after that? How many people has he sent to hell?
Google: "Hinnom Valley-Jerusalem" then click "THE REAL PICTURE OF HELL" Let the truth set you free! No eternal hell=no need for salvation=no need to worship a god=Let reason get back a hold of your mind!
I found god, in an atheistic manner. Few years ago I was battling severe depression, and was on the verge of suicide. The problem was the cognitive dissonance, between the person I was, and the person which I wanted to perceive myself as. I could not accept my limitations in life, and it drove me nuts. Eventually I surrendered to reality, and accepted all my flaws and imperfections. I gave up some of my pride and self respect, for a peace of mind. But I didnt surrender to god, like most people.
religon can be great crutch when you are weakened by the strains and hardships of life. Hopefully you will eventually recover, come to your senses and realize it was a crutch you no longer need.
Now I have a better understanding of it all when believers ask me what kind of horrible thing happened to me that made me become an Atheist. This is a projection.
I don't think that it would be ok to pretend to be what you are not, even if it would create comfort to other human. Truth is important. Lying can flip back to yourself when someone you lied figures it out.
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Well first off,God doesn't find you,You find Him...He has always known where your at.....Then I praise God all the time,I don't only call on Him in a "hopeless cituation",Ipraise God throught the storm and beyond,before the storm even.....If God is my painkiller then I have the best painkiller in the world....You have your right to your religious views just like I have my right.....But I will defend my GOD to the end.
And I think - by the way - you're taking philhellenes use of the term "find you" literally when that's not even the way religious people use the term. I have to wonder if you're really that disconnected from the cultural discourse or if you're being intellectual honest to make a point.
These are all things I could say to u as a fellow Christian, but instead I say it to u as a former one. Regards.
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Okay well first off I am tired of arguing with the point with you all....so I have started praying for you all instead....and I am saddened to hear that you are a former Christian....may I ask why you strayed from the fold?
Sure - I appreciate you asking. I'm afraid I can't give a good succinct answer though - since it was a gradual process that took place over 5-10 years (This is actually why I started a video channel to start exploring this overall process.) Long story short is that I kept asking questions, having conversations about it, reading books on the subject & my thinking on it evolved over time eventually to reach a point where I no longer considered myself a Christian. Thanks again. Take care ;)
well, all i can say is that i have nothing left to say,i wanted to make a video of similar nature, but aparrently all i could have said in it, allready has been said :)
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i could easily say that being an atheist is also a form of a pain killer as well. For example you may go through anguish and think..."how can God who is loving do this to me, there must not be a God!"
I'm Christian and a really deep thinker and for me not believing in God would be my "painkiller". But even though I am Christian I will defend any persons right to their own faith or lack of faith in God/gods.
perhaps in one way...or it could be that a person doesn't want to do what thier deity wants them to do and in the long run causes pain. the person may think it is pain but it really isnt. but i really think it depends on the person and how they view the world and life. i think it's un wise to make a blatant statment that religion is a pain killer or lack of religion is a pain killer. it all depends.
mental anguish yeah ...I am bipolar so it is 10x worse My own way though mental anguish I noticed a theoretical way out for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and I noticed that everything is equal and if you are mean it becomes a habit and you lose people skills and never keep a job if you drop out of high school you fail at life and frankly even if it's not true and I'm lying to myself I still have motivation from it and I will keep on working on my goal to prove them wrong
I've found my self in the state you describe. Where I was filled by love for the whole world. But thanks to prior knowledge of how the mind works, I could see it for what it was.
You might want to check out a book by Allen Carr called the Easy Way... If you do read this book however and let yourself be taken by its tactics it might just solve one of your issues you mentioned.... it's almost like finding a "New Religion" if you will ;-) (i know it was amazing for me anyways)
There are of course many reasons why one may wish to believe.
To be liberated from the detrimental but very natural urge to hate your enemy, to avenge yourself. Both christendom and buddhism have something to say about hate-love which I find relevant.
Didn't this happen to Cat Stevens? He did a deal with god when he didn't drown after asking to be saved whilst swimming. Look what happened to him. He ended up potty saying someone should be killed for writing a book. Now he's trying to rehabilitate himself by banging on about a 'peace train' which is code for Islam itself
I have been under the knife aplenty and believe you me, anesthetics and pain killers are awesomely great. In fact, I have been in such indescribable pain that I´d rather take pain killer for naught, than suffer the slightest a second more of my life :)
Good perspective, Ive been in that hopeless situation when I first got CFS and i found an excuse to hang onto anything positive but the belief in a religoius scripture never came into my mind
i think because I've always believed in 'dealing' with my problems as opposed to 'escaping' them (pain killer)
It took me a long time to work out that faith and religion are not the same thing. I thought having no religion meant I was an atheist, but later realised I was more agnostic.
I believe in God, and that God created (or is) everything.
I also believe that EVERY religion on Earth is corrupt, inaccurate, exploited, and man made to control the masses.
As for religious text, I take what is good, dismiss what is bad.
Why did someone mark this as spam?? NEVER mark anyones post as spam unless it is spam.. Leave the censorship to the religious zealots. I am an atheist. I disagree with what AIRasuwl said but i would never want to censor him.. Give him a thumbs down if you think that proves anything..
Hopefully, despite the odd careless word born of frustration and anger in some videos I've made, you'll realise that I have NO argument with your position. It is ORGANISED, scripture-based religion I oppose. Agnostics and deists are not part of the problem in my eyes.
I agree totally. The Catholic church for example preaches the sermons of a man who said to give up your worldy goods to help the starving, yet HOW MUUCH MONEY does that organisation have? Gold this, gold that!
I know quite a few muslims who all seem to be nice peaceful people, but I dislike their religion immensley.
I feel that many Muslims don't even know what it is they believe in when they claim to be Muslims.....
It's a bit like the old UK TV adverts between Qualcast and Flymo
"Qualcast, it's a lot less bother than a hover", remember those?
I remember so many people discussing which of the two was the right one to buy. They became so engrossed in the two choices that they forgot there were many more choices.
The funny thing is, I heard that both Flymo and Qualcast were owned by the same parent company.
Religion is that argument all over again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't :-)
very interesting vid ,plus you mentioned apes a couple of times, which reminded me of some of the things that religious one say like to say "i didn't come from a monkey" ,they cant even get the species right
When Phil talks about mental anguish...You just don't know it unless you're laying on a stryker frame, unable to move from mid-chest down, with tubes in every orifice. The fear is unimaginable. Mental anguish...it's very real. I sought God then. But looking back I can honestly say that I wouldn't trade the truth for that dillusion for any reason. The small comfort I got back then pales in comparison to the comfort I get from understanding the real world.
this is why I can't bring myself to talk openly with my dad about atheism. my dad is a smart guy, very critical of a lot of things, but he lost his dad ten years ago, and I remember how sad that time was.
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Forget Jesus, why isn't anyone saying Phil is the Messiah? He's a hell of a lot wiser...
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@philhellenes Smoking's bad for you, therefor everything you say is wrong and that proves God exists.
Man I'm good at this stuff, I should give up this atheist nonsense.
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"There isn't one (answer) to this universe, so we wrote our own and the problems started."
Bottomline.
aboyborninjune 6 months ago
If Religion is a painkiller then society is the whipping boy the pain is transferred to. Gay, lesbian, atheists, woman and people of differing views suffer for that sense of a pain killer. If someone is of the opinion it may not be true but it feels good vastly underestimates the societal side effects of this drug. If only there were a warning label.
Keldoor 6 months ago
Thank you so very much. I am an American indoctrinated since childhood. Religion is evil, very evil. My (now ordained preacher) ex-husband beat me to the point of broken bones, and even a dented skull and I was told to stay with him, it was "god's" will. I am an intelligent woman, but brainwashing is hard to overcome. I eventually realized prayers are wishes and wishes only happen if you make them. Had I seen your videos I would have escaped so much earlier. Again, Thank You
imthedonna 7 months ago 3
@imthedonna I'm sorry to hear that, dear. I'm sorry you were misguided by people who were obviously narrow-minded and biased. God doesn't expect us to tolerate abuse like you speak of. However, He is real, He does love you, and being set free of pain and bondage is not religious, not complicated. We need God, plain and simple. Many people are led astray by selfish motives and desires. There's a huge difference in knowing about God, and knowing the living God. People can embitter you to deception
chriswooten7 1 month ago
@chriswooten7 There is no God. I'm glad you take comfort in your delusions. Read the entire Bible, not just the parts cherry picked. I am much happier now that I see and openly live the truth. The evil perpetuated by the God of the Bible, Qur'an and other religious texts exactly mirrors the evils done in the name of these religions. We are not made in God's image, God is fashioned by us in ours.
imthedonna 1 month ago
@imthedonna So, all the claims that there is no absolute truth only applies to God. My redeemer lives, and your disbelief harms yourself more than anyone, although it does affect others, because it drives your thoughts, which drive your actions. Ignorance is bliss, as anyone can 'cherry pick' negative evidence to support their self-deluded desires. Evopollution is the greatest example of this I can offer. You were born with knowledge and curiosity about God, it takes work to suppress this.
chriswooten7 1 month ago
@chriswooten7 Also, the 'God' of the Qur'an is not the living God. He's a dead god, an idol, just like evolution. Deny all you wish, you have faith. Maybe it's in the government, maybe the economy, maybe pleasure, power and control, sex, money, drugs or alcohol, whatever you have expectations of to bring you satisfaction is your god. The major difference in humans is that they were made to worship something. You have faith in the giver of life, or things given or created. There's no escaping it.
chriswooten7 1 month ago
@chriswooten7 Hahaha your an idiot
RationalDrinker 1 month ago
@RationalDrinker Wow, that's deep. You know, I try to find the ones who want help, or truly have questions. Scoffing, childish 'adults' are not where my time will be invested. Ignorance is bliss, right? Anyone who makes effort to carry the things like bitterness, envy, rage, self-pity, has a choice. Some know something's wrong, and want to know there's an option. While some want to keep the dead weight, and get some kind of satisfaction from the excuses, like it 'justifies' for their character.
chriswooten7 1 month ago
@chriswooten7 Sorry,batshitcrazy troll isn't someone I'm going to try to have a discussion with. I wasn't born with knowledge and curiosity about God, that was brainwashed into me as an infant. People I know who were raised Atheist have never been given him a thought. Evolution is based on literally billions of pieces of actual physical evidence. God is created by humans in their own cruel image. Read your bible and see just how evil god really is. Go troll somewhere else.
imthedonna 1 month ago
i experienced the opposite.
I went through a few years of desperate mental stress caused by my continuing realization that the god I had believed in and devoted so much of my life to was illogical, and not at all what I thought he was.
I struggled between the hell of believing that I was being damned and the hell of losing everything I deemed valuable.
Took about 5 years to get over it, but I can say now that I`m out of it, I couldn`t feel better.
okamichamploo 8 months ago
fuck you phil why do you have to make so much sense in every damn video?! Blowing my mind with every video upload of yours....
ImAnotherZang 10 months ago 7
@Avitinyourface No if thats all we knew we would still be in the bronze age, and our life expectency would still be around the age of 25, no agriculture, cars, and any modern technology.
AstrophelTDeath 10 months ago
This guy should be world-famous. His words resonate deeply, and the last few sentences were utter poetry.
LuckilyHeDied 11 months ago 3
Excellent philhellenes.
I agree with what you said about the bullshit claims you would make on someone elses death bed just to make them feel better.
I'm sure that many atheists would do a death bed conversion not for themselves (how could they if they don't believe), but as a sacrifice for their loved ones, to save their love ones from a life time of stress and worries because him not being saved.
saintpine 11 months ago
Philhellenes, excellent video. Well said.
d00df00d 11 months ago
indoctrination? brainwashing? mind rape seems more appropriate a term and as its kids that are indoctrinated into religion .....i think you see where im going with this
FuckingMudaFucker 1 year ago
Is that a periodic table on your wall PhIl? Haha, I always keep one handy too.
MarkArandjus 1 year ago
Interesting video =)
I've never experienced any 'relief' from mental anguish through appeals to God, however I know what you a talking about.
When you suffer from mental illness (such as psychosis), it's easy to mistake one's own imagination and intuition for being 'divine voices' and other supernatural ideas.
murgatroid8 1 year ago
Religion is opium OF the people.
-Karl Marx-
Or the longer,original version:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
wybo2 1 year ago
@wybo2 so THAT'S where Slipknot came up with the song title!
warpedwiselegoman 1 year ago
@wybo2
Religion isn't the opium of the people, it's the cyanide.
brokenscimitar 11 months ago
Naw I wouldn`t call it cruel, so much as a solid slap to the face. If you couldn`t get out of fan hitting shit yourself you rely on God instead of your own ability, your own willingness to grow and learn from the situation, becoming better people for it, it`s completely stupid. Maybe necessary, but still stupid.
ALL HAIL THE DIVINE GHOUDA, OUR CHEESY DEITY HAS RETURNED IN THE FORM OF GHOUDATHULHU! GHOUDATHULHU FHTAGN, HERE TO SAVE US FROM THE DARK LORD CHEESE STRING AT LAST!
Zuifan 1 year ago
@Zuifan Though, in all fairness, age can be a factor. Back when I was ten or so, I heard the Bloody Mary story. For almost a month, I'd sleep with the door open, and whenever I heard the floor creak, I'd mumble something along the line of 'there's nothing to fear, God is real, he won't let it happen' over and over again. While yes, it did help me through a fearful month, I realize now how gullible I was.
Zuifan 1 year ago
You are an idiot who lost his brain ,and eyes.
samib21 1 year ago
@samib21 And you are a dingleberry which is not aware that it is sinning against the great butt-crack in the sky by swearing (An-Anam 6: 10,Quran 16:125, one of the three sins of hypocrisy, etc.)
Read your stinky pile of used toilet paper before insulting (and sinning against allah) someone who is talking calmly, peacefuly, patiently, nicely and friendly.
I'm an atheist and I know more about islam than you; LEARN from this experience and become a better muslim (or even a better man maybe).
sapunec7854 1 year ago
"they may need that relief more then they need reality" such a true statement for most people of faith, my mom was trying to get me to believe in god again by saying that, he is someone we can hand our problems off to so we are worry free for that moment. I dont think she will ever let the notion of a god go but if she is happy i dont mind
zubestr 1 year ago
I am going through the biggest storm of my life, thank you for this video...:)
TheUsualSuspect77 1 year ago
ok so god first introduced a talking snake,than he kicks adam ever and the two kids out of eden. even though there are no others on earth adam kills his brother and finds his wife in the land of nod. later god raped a virgin uneducated young girl impregnating her. after his son is born god anounces he and his son are one so he allows the son to be killed to save yuo. however if yuo fail to pass his test he will boil yuo in eternal sulphur pits to show his love.
otherworldtrader1 1 year ago
But you have to terribly retarded not simply depressed and in anguish to believe in either christianity or islam. you make a mistake of assuming that these are the only two spiritual paths available. make your own god.
killintymm 1 year ago
The moment God finds you...RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ryanmail2004 1 year ago
the zeitgeist movement dot com
where atheists can be atheists and the theists can be atheists too.
shamantics 1 year ago
mental anguish = panic attacks. It sucks. I completely agree with this post. I've tried to emphatically, irrevocably prove the existence of ghosts and god and the afterlife simply to take away the feeling of sheer panic at the thought of death.
Luckily I've been able to challenge my beliefs and irrational fears. I can't figure out why this happened? Why have so few of us been able to seek comfort in truth, when others haven't?
shamantics 1 year ago
I love this guy. But I don`t know exactly why :)
crakri 1 year ago
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God = Pain Killers LMAO
He doesn't even understand God, yet he is trying to demonstrate false implications of something which he has no idea of.
"If the Hornet taught the Bee how to harvest honey there would be no sweet nectar to appreciate..."
bigspliffs 1 year ago
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God = Pain Killers LMAO
He doesn't even understand God, yet he is trying to demonstrate false implications of something which he has no idea of.
"If the Hornet taught the Bee how to harvest honey there would be no sweet nectar to appreciate..."
bigspliffs 1 year ago
Here's something to think about: what if our universe and everything inside it is a computer program created by some software engineer. I think this is very likely (if advancements in computer science is uninterrupted , we'll be able to do this in the future) and in this scenario, the creator would seem to have omnipotence and could be considered God like. Now would it be illogical to worship this creator who has the power to erase you from the program with the push of a button...
speakupforjustice 1 year ago
2:00 - 3:00
Yep, that's exactly what happened. And it's exactly why I questioned myself for doubting it. And that's exactly why I felt forced to believe in it until about 2 years ago.
And also:
"So we wrote our own, and the problems started." It's fascinating how easily you can summarize things like that.
ootdega 1 year ago
People abandon religion in moments of extreme anguish too. I don't think it's so much about feeling good as trying to take a different course, since the one you previously had wasn't working. It's more about the character of the individual than the course of action. Religion isn't always warm and fuzzy either.
*Luv your videos btw!
vidaliasweet 1 year ago
God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988
"God does exist."
....and the Moon is made of Blue Chocolate.
See....I can make baseless assertions just like you.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
LOL! now a lot of these bizarre conversions makes sense!
hellocomeinnow 1 year ago
Ahh I've had a moment like that, except I never thought of it as a god - I thought of it as a spiritual realization. Everything became beautiful, everything though everything was crappy. But it was beautiful by itself!! Without any god or religion. 'Twas awesome! :D and your analogy to painkillers is amazing.
metalliriffer 1 year ago
you seem to have a lot of negative things to say. But I value your opinions you share in a calm respectable way. As human we thrive when we work and are faced with struggles and are happier when we genuinely helping someone other than ourselves. In that respect I can see how the teachings of Jesus can lead to "salvation".
morbidblade 1 year ago
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luceEnd 1 year ago
great video!! very thoughtful and thought provoking. thanks phil!
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wnieke 1 year ago
"GOD" is real, "it" just isn't described by religion and doesn't interfere with it's creation, including the pain caused by Nature and the atrocities perpetrated by men. So beg it all you want, religious people, if it makes you feel better. GOD loves you but it loves you just as you are, from moment to moment, in despair or pure joy. GOD loves each of us as we love the molecules that build the cells of our bodies -- from a distance and with no thought to the welfare of each individual.
leananshae 1 year ago
how can god love us but have no thought for our welfare? and how could it great the universe without interfering with anything?
your comment was quite heart warming to be honest, so not attacking with those questions, just inquiring
luceEnd 1 year ago
correction: create, not great
luceEnd 1 year ago
part 3 @luce GODs love is self-evident, as we sense that real Love is the best kind. So rewording your questions, how can Love love us but have no opinions about our welfare? and how could Love create the universe without forcing its creation to become something it did not choose to be? can both be answered with, because real Love does not judge and real Love does not force; real Love honors freedom and facilitates individuality, unafraid of the outcome.
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae Real evident in Haiti, eh? And to the poor folk who died from Hurricane Katrina... And babies that are born with terrible genetic defects... And monsoons and other natural disasters... Either god exists and he is (A) a bumbling, loving, powerless fool, or (B) an all powerful hateful bastard. The third option is (C) he doesn't exist. I pick option (C) which is born out by evidence and logical consistency.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO ...call it what you will -- GOD, Unifying Principle, a non-human intelligence superior ("above", not "better") to Nature -- there is "something" pervading the universe which no scientist or atheist can explain away. It's not an angry, vengeful war god, nor a Nature deity taking pleasure in watching people suffer. It created the format for freedom and intent and it leaves all of its creations to do what they choose to do. Why are you looking for the god of Christianity in my words?
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae Or call it your own fanciful imagination. No such thing exists in the sciences, nothing pervades, other than quantifiable and evident things. To attribute the existence of the universe to this shadowy "something" is ludicrous. Your own emotional need for a supernatural thing that created the universe does not equal the thing existing. I never mentioned the god of christianity. You did.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Science and religion are not equipped to find what I'm talking about. It's not shadowy. It's not something you can test. And I'm not emotionally distraught about the idea of the non-existence of GOD... I was an atheist for 20 years. I know how you feel, I think. I said the same things. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just trying to encourage you to keep an open mind and keep looking, that's all. If you don't sense it, then that's cool. But I do. No biggy.
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae However, if this "something" exists, it is either evil, or incapable of preventing suffering caused by natural disatsters. As I mentioned early.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Part 1 Haiti example: There's no better place within reach (for now) for Man to be but here on Earth & unfortunately, the Earth has its own "agenda" which it is unconstrained from pursuing. Plate tectonics is one of those "agendas". Thing is, humanity has evolved its sciences enough to know about earthquakes and has at its disposal the means to build safer buildings and/or move people away from e.q. zones. Should we blame GOD for things we let happen? Poverty is man's doing.
leananshae 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Part 2 So, are you saying that if there is a GOD, it is obligated to interfere with the Earths freedom to follow its true nature? And if so, does that demand for interference extend to men? Do you really want a heavenly tyrant who inserts himself in the decisions you make for yourself? And the fact that it doesnt interfere, is that proof that it doesnt exist or is evil? This criteria for proof of GOD is based on Xtianity's lies about divinity, & we know Yahweh is a myth.
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae Note that I only mention natural disasters, entirely outside the purvey of man. Allowing these disasters to occur makes the all powerful being evil, or powerless.
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leananshae 1 year ago
@luce... sorry about the 4 parts and them being all scrambled... I had a tough time getting them sorted, thus the deleted comments below. Hope this addressed what you were asking. And thanks for your gentle query. Rare for youtube! : )
leananshae 1 year ago
my pleasure :) and thank you for your lovely response, scrambled and all ;)
i like your approach to the whole idea. im an atheist, and have come to some tense moments with religious people, particularly on youtube, but what they dont seem to understand is its not the belief in GOD that i have a problem with, its the religion that follows, with all its rigid rules and ideas. it can be dangerous. i agree with you that everyone should discover this sort of thing on their own, instead of being told
luceEnd 1 year ago
I used to think of myself as an Atheist, too, but now consider myself a non-religious Theist since giving myself permission to define GOD outside of religion's attempt to trademark the word's meaning. And weirdly enough, I realized that when I let religion define GOD, I was actually complying with their rules! And, that made me a follower of sorts, which in turn made me really uneasy once I figured it out!
leananshae 1 year ago
understandably! religion has always made me feel uneasy, even when i was a little kid. i couldnt understand how they were just so sure they were right about everything, and discouraged people from questionig it. wasnt interested in being turned into a sheep! everyone needs to make their own decisions with this, instead of simply being told what to believe..
luceEnd 1 year ago
part 4 @luce When we let go of our small ideas about Love, we learn about GOD. And each of us is learning in their own way and in their own time, so religion -- with its cookie cutter rituals and prayers -- is a refuge for those who wont go look for themselves.
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leananshae 1 year ago
part 2 @luce So we owe it to ourselves to examine the real meaning of Love, free from the threat or enticement that religion uses to gain authority in our relationship with GOD. When we define GOD as Love and we come to understand that Love, real Love -- not the addictive love we tend to experience in romance nor the overseeing love of worried parents -- we find that Love is about letting each other be who we are in the moment, regardless of weakness or faults.
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leananshae 1 year ago
part 1 @luce When we stop trying to make something outside of ourselves responsible for our own lives, when we realize that Nature is a huge impersonal mechanism filled with chemistry and physics, free to seek balance as it sees fit (and not with human drives or intellect), when we understand that no human authority or group can intervene for us when Nature does what it does... the only mystery left is Love. Love is alive in the human heart and it is the sign that GOD is real.
leananshae 1 year ago
Love is an evolutionary mechanism for pair bonding. Many of its chemical components have been isolated and analyzed. Oxytocin comes to mind.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
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leananshae 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO oops I accidently clicked "remove" while scrolling down the page. I really don't like the new youtube format with these invisible buttons that only show up if the cursor moves over them!
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae I'm pretty willing to consider new ideas. If they don't meet the standards for being good ones, I generally discard them. Would you consider the idea that your subjective sensing of this "something" may be no more than that? Subjective?
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
Part 1 Who decided it was wrong, invalid or faulty to experience this "something" in an individual way? Religion tells us that we can't do that because they seek authority over our spiritual lives, & science isn't even concerning itself with individual experiences, as it is forced by its mandate for reproducible results to look at things from a group experience as well. Thing is, what I'm trying to describe to you IS individual, by definition! It's not prescribable nor objective.
leananshae 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Part 2 An illustration: If you & I walked down the same street together, each with a camera, taking pictures simultaneously at regular intervals, do you think we would both end up with the same photos at the end of that walk? Now, if my photos are different from yours, does that mean I didn't take that walk or somehow my photos are faulty? That's the same thing with this "something". I can't show you your perspective. I can only tell you about the street & show you my own pics.
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae Also, your assertion that ""GOD" is real" has little basis in reality, and is no more than an assertion. An assertion that is not backed by evidence.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Have you ever "lost" the can opener in the utensil drawer? It's there right? You just can't see it because it blends in with everything else. Do you say it's unreal when it "vanishes" into the background? Well, do you think that this "something" is any less real just because you can't differentiate it among all your ideas about what it SHOULD be. Is it good science even to decide something isn't real unless you see it for yourself? Is "not looking" the same as "not there"?
leananshae 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO Look, Ospace, I think you and I can at least agree on one thing: Almost ANY other choice is better than seeing our lives thru' religious lenses, right? Religion is a scourge, an untreated mental health pandemic, a system that we can no longer sit idly by and allow to do as it pleases with impunity. We at least must speak up and throw some light on its obvious designs to subjugate mankind! I'm with you on that point. And better Atheist than religious, I say. So, rock on!
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae And if "GOD" loves us, then why doesn't "it" do anything to ease or prevent the suffering of us poor mortals?
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO GOD=Love, & it does help us, if we let it. If we're convinced it's not there & then we angrily reject it, it respects our demand to figure stuff out on our own & steps back -- metaphorically speaking. Specifically, to prevent suffering, Love informs us beforehand how to approach tough situations so we can avoid them when possible. And to ease suffering, Love infuses us with hope & dignity so we can overcome hardship. Love offers wisdom, if we "listen", and with wisdom, we evolve.
leananshae 1 year ago
@leananshae That's a complete bullshit. How many wars were started 'cause the religion said that god will love us if we kill the unbelievers? Where is the love in the Crusades? Atheist are generally more peaceful that believers and love will still exist even when we completely reject an omnipotent god because love is nothing more than a chemical reaction happening in our brains, there's no soul that makes you love someone, it's just your brain recognizing someone similar to yourself.
Sh1n0kk 11 months ago
@Sh1n0kk than believers*
Sh1n0kk 11 months ago
@Sh1n0kk I already addressed similar concerns in previous posts I've mad on this video... but to recap... I'm not referring to the god of Christianity or any other religion. And yes, as I stated before, IMO atheism is a good starting point and is preferable to being religious.
leananshae 11 months ago
Remindes me of the old saying "Since I gave up all hope, I feel much better..."
morgannicgregor 1 year ago
I must have missed this vid Phil, and it is by far the best one I have ever seen from you.
Insta 5* fav!
MilitantPeaceist 1 year ago
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You misunderstand what Heaven actually is Phil- you define it as "eternal bliss" Heaven is wonderful but unless you love God you would hate it. There is no freedom from God in Heaven. This is where His will is done perfectly all the time. True Christians have no problem with this. We either belong to sin or to God. To quote the words from a Christian song "for it is only in Your will, that I am free" I'm not trying to Christianise you Phil, just suggesting your understanding isn't quite accurate
rbright79 2 years ago
@rbright79, and your understanding is far from the only one Christians have.
hoboboxerjoe 1 year ago 4
All Scripture was inspired of God Phil. By his sovereign will he chose whom he chose to write the Scriptures under His inspiration. Yet the Christian has God himself. Not just a Bible. This is the mistake so many people make. They think we have a "church" or a "belief system", etc. The Christian has Jesus Christ.
With all honesty Phil, out of all the atheists on youtube, if I had to be locked in a room for a week with one of them, I would probably chose you.
God has certainly helped me.
rbright79 2 years ago
@rbright79, and from our point of view scripture was not inspired by god, we have significant amounts of evidence to say otherwise. Hence, why Phil was speaking from the evidence, not a blind-faith belief.
hoboboxerjoe 1 year ago
But God is immunitble. Your trust is in a system where belief systems are constantly changing. For example, this nonsense about the global warming crisis. In the 80's it was the hole in the ozone layer (funny how no one even mentions it now) and in the 70's it was global cooling (scientists feared pollution would cause an ice age). My trust is in God. Not in man who keeps changing his mind every five minutes about the "facts".
rbright79 1 year ago
@rbright79 - god's word seems to change quite a bit too. "4 corners of the earth" anyone? No flat earth on the globe I'm sat on. As for the horrendous ranting of the old testament - just urgh. The story of god changes all the time, it seems about the least constant thing of all. No idea what "immunitble" is btw do you make up words for fun? Your concept of belief system is wrong btw. We observe evidence and then posit new causes. That's science.
FoxyFreddie 1 year ago 9
@rbright79 By your own admission then, Yahweh is fallible. Look for yourself. Please explain the error within the first 2 pages of Genesis where you can find Adam being created twice. If your scripture is divinely inspired & your deity is so sloppy, then it's a logical conclusion that your sacred text is a flawed work. Why would you trust such a badly edited document? That's divine? Why don't you expect better from your god?
leananshae 1 year ago
I'm only about halfway through this vid, but the opposite of what phil is describing happened to me. It was mental anguish (it started as discontent and yearning for more) that led me away from god. Then, I just sort of woke up and snapped out of the anguish when I accepted reality and saw the beauty in a godless world. As "jack" says in Fight Club, "losing all hope was [is] freedom." I lost all hope of being "saved" and accepted that only I can save myself in this "new" world. 'Tis grand.
infectingthecrypts 2 years ago 2
@infectingthecrypts Not needing saving is such a relief, right? And seriously, the only thing I needed saving from was the terror Christianity tried to fill me with about the afterlife. Without heaven and hell, religions are impotent. And why people still give them that power is mind boggling to me! What happens to us after we die has nothing to do with the lives we have to live, here and now! Like Hawking said when asked about what happened before the Big Bang: "It has nothing to do with me."
leananshae 1 year ago
Painkillers? More like hallucinogens.
ripemind 2 years ago 2
Excellent video!! I was fooled into this religious cult called Christianity by my brother who was fooled into it by a college mate! My experience was in dealing with a time of depression and religion was a pain medicine for 31 years! I only recently jumped on the side of reason and am glad for doing so! NO REGRETS!
99minerkc 2 years ago 2
You have a way with words..lol
But its true: the morfine worked better when I had cancer, then the believe in some "god". ;-)
I am stil sane. ^^)
panthera50 2 years ago
Religion is the opium of the masses, but morphine is much stronger. ;)
infectingthecrypts 2 years ago 2
very good video this remembers me to hold my horses a little when i get insulted by biased religious ppl.
BalthazzarCH 2 years ago
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you think you are wise?
to talk about there is know god yes there is a god and at the end of your life you will see end you will be shamed and sorry for what you said en did look around brother and tell me if there is no god dont come up with there is wars and hunger yes there is but who is creating them god? or us the humans?
TheTuneOn 2 years ago
@TheTuneOn
First, I am really sorry you never got a proper education.
Secondly, if god puts me to hell because I did not believe in him while he never showed himself to me, he is unfair. He has never been proven.
And "god" kills a myriad of people through natural disasters, more than any war can. And all the evil is not imemdiately action by humans. He punishes us, possibly? How many babies has he killed before they were born, or shortly after that? How many people has he sent to hell?
justforflag2 2 years ago
He must have something good to say -- he didn't use commas or periods!
graciousSenor 2 years ago
That is what the statement "First, I am really sorry you never got a proper education." meant.
justforflag2 2 years ago
@TheTuneOn You didnt watch the video, your grammar is atrocious and frankly I believe you are just fucking with us.
TasteOfGreen 2 years ago
Google: "Hinnom Valley-Jerusalem" then click "THE REAL PICTURE OF HELL" Let the truth set you free! No eternal hell=no need for salvation=no need to worship a god=Let reason get back a hold of your mind!
99minerkc 2 years ago
I distract myself as much as possible, and stretch out the process. This means the pain lasts longer, yes, but it never gets as intense.
unhealthytruthseeker 2 years ago
I found god, in an atheistic manner. Few years ago I was battling severe depression, and was on the verge of suicide. The problem was the cognitive dissonance, between the person I was, and the person which I wanted to perceive myself as. I could not accept my limitations in life, and it drove me nuts. Eventually I surrendered to reality, and accepted all my flaws and imperfections. I gave up some of my pride and self respect, for a peace of mind. But I didnt surrender to god, like most people.
andron333 2 years ago 2
religon can be great crutch when you are weakened by the strains and hardships of life. Hopefully you will eventually recover, come to your senses and realize it was a crutch you no longer need.
jmdnarri 2 years ago 2
Hey Phil, death of my Mom did it for me.
It took me 13 years to overcome my bullshit religious beliefs.
I take any chance I get, to try and spare anyone from mind numbing ignorance.
It hasn't worked yet.
People are always reluctant to admit their beliefs are bullshit.
bigboy45454545 2 years ago 2
GREAT VID,..... i just subscibed i hope you have more ligical stuff like this :)
5 stars!
TaNgLeD2121 2 years ago
Now I have a better understanding of it all when believers ask me what kind of horrible thing happened to me that made me become an Atheist. This is a projection.
5* / sub
TheOtherSide100 2 years ago 2
I don't think that it would be ok to pretend to be what you are not, even if it would create comfort to other human. Truth is important. Lying can flip back to yourself when someone you lied figures it out.
ricardas83 2 years ago
I am a science lover, and yet I know that God has helped me and given me the strength to succeed at certain points in my life.
Pentdad 2 years ago
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Well first off,God doesn't find you,You find Him...He has always known where your at.....Then I praise God all the time,I don't only call on Him in a "hopeless cituation",Ipraise God throught the storm and beyond,before the storm even.....If God is my painkiller then I have the best painkiller in the world....You have your right to your religious views just like I have my right.....But I will defend my GOD to the end.
JesusFreaktotheEnd 2 years ago
Yes, he finds you when your parents tell you he's real. Him and santa clause.
badism 2 years ago 17
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Stop spouting your shit!
sputnikowns 2 years ago
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Hmm... Jesus Freak, that's not quite in step w/ what Jesus says. He says that no one can come to him that the Father has not first drawn (John 6:44.)
myintellectualjourny 2 years ago
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And I think - by the way - you're taking philhellenes use of the term "find you" literally when that's not even the way religious people use the term. I have to wonder if you're really that disconnected from the cultural discourse or if you're being intellectual honest to make a point.
These are all things I could say to u as a fellow Christian, but instead I say it to u as a former one. Regards.
myintellectualjourny 2 years ago
Oops... I meant to say, it makes me wonder if you're being intellectual dishonest to make a point.
Thanks.
myintellectualjourny 2 years ago
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Okay well first off I am tired of arguing with the point with you all....so I have started praying for you all instead....and I am saddened to hear that you are a former Christian....may I ask why you strayed from the fold?
JesusFreaktotheEnd 2 years ago
Sure - I appreciate you asking. I'm afraid I can't give a good succinct answer though - since it was a gradual process that took place over 5-10 years (This is actually why I started a video channel to start exploring this overall process.) Long story short is that I kept asking questions, having conversations about it, reading books on the subject & my thinking on it evolved over time eventually to reach a point where I no longer considered myself a Christian. Thanks again. Take care ;)
myintellectualjourny 2 years ago
"I'll pray for you" Translated from theist speak into secular language it's F*** Y**. (Plus you get to feel pious while doing it! It's even better!)
NoAntecessor 2 years ago 20
@NoAntecessor actually its more of a, you are fucked, statement lol
zubestr 1 year ago
The power to cause pain is nothing next to the power to take it away.
preachingsin 2 years ago 2
Stop smoking!
monkeyboy648 2 years ago
NO!
Dreamerx47 2 years ago
I really like the intellectual honesty of seperating deism and theism
Shikami42 2 years ago
well, all i can say is that i have nothing left to say,i wanted to make a video of similar nature, but aparrently all i could have said in it, allready has been said :)
Zralf 2 years ago
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i could easily say that being an atheist is also a form of a pain killer as well. For example you may go through anguish and think..."how can God who is loving do this to me, there must not be a God!"
I'm Christian and a really deep thinker and for me not believing in God would be my "painkiller". But even though I am Christian I will defend any persons right to their own faith or lack of faith in God/gods.
saphiredewdrop 2 years ago
god causes you mental anguish?
Dreamerx47 2 years ago
i'm not sure why you ask...but no.
saphiredewdrop 2 years ago
well if the lack of faith in a god or gods is the same as painkillers then doesnt that mean that god causes pain to you?
Dreamerx47 2 years ago
perhaps in one way...or it could be that a person doesn't want to do what thier deity wants them to do and in the long run causes pain. the person may think it is pain but it really isnt. but i really think it depends on the person and how they view the world and life. i think it's un wise to make a blatant statment that religion is a pain killer or lack of religion is a pain killer. it all depends.
saphiredewdrop 2 years ago
mental anguish yeah ...I am bipolar so it is 10x worse My own way though mental anguish I noticed a theoretical way out for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and I noticed that everything is equal and if you are mean it becomes a habit and you lose people skills and never keep a job if you drop out of high school you fail at life and frankly even if it's not true and I'm lying to myself I still have motivation from it and I will keep on working on my goal to prove them wrong
Alterna123 2 years ago
If God really wanted to be worshipped, why doesn't he show himself?
That will convince everyone on the planet and then problem solved, everybody worships that God, simple.
But, off course, that will never happen.
wtfisditvoorbullshit 2 years ago
I wouldn't worship god if he came don't and told me and only me :D
Alterna123 2 years ago
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Alterna123 2 years ago
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But then you will be tortured for eternity in hell when you die lol.
For e-ter-ni-ty! You love pain that much? lol
wtfisditvoorbullshit 2 years ago
meh, if I worshiped him it would be a lie...and if it was god he would know O_O
Alterna123 2 years ago
I think I would be pretty impressed by seeing the creator of the universe, if he wants me to worship I would do that.
But how will we know that what greatness that we see is really the creator of the universe? Hmm..
wtfisditvoorbullshit 2 years ago
I would only be worshiping him out of fear of hell not cause I really loved him
Alterna123 2 years ago
Good point.
wtfisditvoorbullshit 2 years ago
I've found my self in the state you describe. Where I was filled by love for the whole world. But thanks to prior knowledge of how the mind works, I could see it for what it was.
tristbjorn 2 years ago
Brilliant. Articulate and... spot on.
athlete117 2 years ago
Right on Phil!!!
You might want to check out a book by Allen Carr called the Easy Way... If you do read this book however and let yourself be taken by its tactics it might just solve one of your issues you mentioned.... it's almost like finding a "New Religion" if you will ;-) (i know it was amazing for me anyways)
jxaxmxixn 2 years ago
Good thoughtful argumentation!
There are of course many reasons why one may wish to believe.
To be liberated from the detrimental but very natural urge to hate your enemy, to avenge yourself. Both christendom and buddhism have something to say about hate-love which I find relevant.
PtrFmls 2 years ago
Didn't this happen to Cat Stevens? He did a deal with god when he didn't drown after asking to be saved whilst swimming. Look what happened to him. He ended up potty saying someone should be killed for writing a book. Now he's trying to rehabilitate himself by banging on about a 'peace train' which is code for Islam itself
CorporalNym 2 years ago 2
Wousers, Phil, what a splendid video this is!
Thank you.
meakhbar 2 years ago
I have been under the knife aplenty and believe you me, anesthetics and pain killers are awesomely great. In fact, I have been in such indescribable pain that I´d rather take pain killer for naught, than suffer the slightest a second more of my life :)
JRBendixen 2 years ago
WEED IS GOD.........i mean GOOD
eatrocksah 2 years ago 4
Good perspective, Ive been in that hopeless situation when I first got CFS and i found an excuse to hang onto anything positive but the belief in a religoius scripture never came into my mind
i think because I've always believed in 'dealing' with my problems as opposed to 'escaping' them (pain killer)
Pain killers are GREAT for hangovers though!
1madaboutguitar 2 years ago
It took me a long time to work out that faith and religion are not the same thing. I thought having no religion meant I was an atheist, but later realised I was more agnostic.
I believe in God, and that God created (or is) everything.
I also believe that EVERY religion on Earth is corrupt, inaccurate, exploited, and man made to control the masses.
As for religious text, I take what is good, dismiss what is bad.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
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Jesus said some good things, so I pay attention to those. The Bible says that Jesus was God, I dismiss that completely.
God for me is an expression of everything good in the world, love, laughter, children, happiness, flowers.
It is certainly? NOT religion, killing each other on a daily basis over a disagreement about how God wants us to love each other.
Stupidity!
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
Why did someone mark this as spam?? NEVER mark anyones post as spam unless it is spam.. Leave the censorship to the religious zealots. I am an atheist. I disagree with what AIRasuwl said but i would never want to censor him.. Give him a thumbs down if you think that proves anything..
R1cku1n0x 2 years ago 2
No idea why someone would mark it as spam.
Some people don't like to be disagreed with I suppose.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
Then they are just like the religions they supposedly disagree with...... peace
R1cku1n0x 2 years ago
Hopefully, despite the odd careless word born of frustration and anger in some videos I've made, you'll realise that I have NO argument with your position. It is ORGANISED, scripture-based religion I oppose. Agnostics and deists are not part of the problem in my eyes.
philhellenes 2 years ago
I agree totally. The Catholic church for example preaches the sermons of a man who said to give up your worldy goods to help the starving, yet HOW MUUCH MONEY does that organisation have? Gold this, gold that!
I know quite a few muslims who all seem to be nice peaceful people, but I dislike their religion immensley.
I feel that many Muslims don't even know what it is they believe in when they claim to be Muslims.....
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
My opinion is this.
If there is a Satan who wanted to take over the Earth, and I were Satan, what would I do?
1: Create a religion.
2: Make them kill non believers.
3: Cause splits in the religion.
4: Make them kill each other.
5: Create another religion.
6: and so on.
Eventually I would have so many people arguing over WHICH religion is right none of them would see the real answer.
NONE.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
It's a bit like the old UK TV adverts between Qualcast and Flymo
"Qualcast, it's a lot less bother than a hover", remember those?
I remember so many people discussing which of the two was the right one to buy. They became so engrossed in the two choices that they forgot there were many more choices.
The funny thing is, I heard that both Flymo and Qualcast were owned by the same parent company.
Religion is that argument all over again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't :-)
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
Well said. Nicely put.
otherether 2 years ago
very interesting vid ,plus you mentioned apes a couple of times, which reminded me of some of the things that religious one say like to say "i didn't come from a monkey" ,they cant even get the species right
badslabber 2 years ago
I know people who became religious because of 9/11, which really pissed me off, for religion caused 9/11 in the first place.
DarkMatter2525 2 years ago
When Phil talks about mental anguish...You just don't know it unless you're laying on a stryker frame, unable to move from mid-chest down, with tubes in every orifice. The fear is unimaginable. Mental anguish...it's very real. I sought God then. But looking back I can honestly say that I wouldn't trade the truth for that dillusion for any reason. The small comfort I got back then pales in comparison to the comfort I get from understanding the real world.
Blankfrack 2 years ago 4