@blueticecho Not quite sure that comment makes sense, but I think this OLD music is still relevant..... even if today's music (for the most part) sucks.
@bancombe1 I'm sure Mike sleeps well at night, being wealthy and healthy. Folks hate Mike mostly because they're sheep. Thankfully, the Dominic Priore/David Leaf bullshit mythmaking is starting to be refuted. Believe me, Brian's drug use is much more to blame than Mike Love for Smile's initial failure. If you listen to the box set, Mike's vocals are there and complete. So what then? Mike bullied Brian into not releasing it. Give me a fucking break. Seriously. Grow up, BW cultists.
Wow, I hear that these guys are going on a world tour! unbelievable. I'm 52 years old and remember seeing them on TV wearing the candy stripe shirts, I was just a child. History in the making.
Its funny how Mike still is whining about the dropping of two words, albeit through the veil of a smile..you can tell it still pisses him off...these Webisodes are awesome!!
Brian had more to do with SMiLE not coming out then Mike did! If Mike was so powerful then I highly doubt Smiley Smile would've been his choice over SMiLE.
I love Beach Boys and all this, but man...ALL THIS SHIT has been said a million times before already. Also, Im sick of all these repackages, greatest hits, box sets, bonus alternate mixes, etc. How many times can greedy bastards repackage the same product? Hendrix's posthumous releases have disgusted me through the years, as has Pearl Jam and Grateful Dead's, with their legion of 'live' cds aimed at die hards. I guess we consumers are to blame for spending our hard earned bread--fuckin dummies!
@flowerdoodle Most of the SMiLE sessions had not been legally released yet! Some of it not even bootlegged! The comment about the lyric "blossom world WE FIND" was new info and interesting.
@flowerdoodle This release has NOTHING to do with all the other releases you mentioned. When it comes to "SMiLE" this shit HAS NOT been said a million times, some of it is being said for the FIRST TIME if anything. This is NOT a repackage of something we already have....so who's acting like the dummy?
@MattHatter Youre a fool! Smile and all its stories and info is "old news" for those of us that have been paying attention. Per "this shit being said a million times before"-- umm, yes it has, many many (documented) times. Loads of articles have been written, interviews with Wilson and Beach Boys. Watch 'I Just Wasn't Made for These Times' doc and they talk about it. In mid 2000, they rerecorded it (as u prob know) and there was much ballyhoo surrounding that.
@MattHatter Get Smiley Smile and it has a good number of tracks from that era. I know there are a good couple of versions of most songs. It's difficult to know whats original and what isnt. It is NOT the original Smile album because there isnt a Smile album. This is a hodgepodge of various takes and sessions. I realize that most of the tracks on this New/Old Smile are from the actual sessions from 67'. Thats great! Im sure some vocals for the songs were recorded by Carl a couple years after
@MattHatter I love Smile! Ive been a fan for a long time, buying Smiley Smile and Surfs Up when they were one of the few ways to hear what Smile may have sounded like, save for going online and trying to convince someone to send me a bootleg, etc. Back in 2000, I fantasized about the day Wilson might go to the vaults and release what was available, even tough he claimed they had burned up.
@MattHatter Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt mind hearing what they have done. Heard some of it on YouTube and it sounds swell. Finally repackages: I think ur missing my point. I was using Smile as a spring board for my grievances with record company greed--i.e. Hendrix still releasing "new" records 30 yrs after his death. The Dead doing the same. Do we really need another live cd of a Dead show in Argentina?? Next thing u know, a rerelease of Smile-- stereo version! After that, the REAL REAL Smile.
@MattHatter Hey, looked at your profile and...you seem cool and have great taste in music, etc. I dont think youre a fool and you have a point. I realized that Im probably talking out of my ass a little here ;)
@flowerdoodle It's all good man. Ha ha! I came to this comment first in my e-mail and since you were apologizing, I figured I was in for some pretty angry replies from you when I saw the OTHER comments. Oh I TOTALLY agree about The Dead and the fact that Experience Hendrix seems to be milking Jimi's legacy for all it's worth (have to admit I'm still waiting for a fully remastered Royal Albert Hall set though). Yeah it's good we finally have a big "SMiLE" box to indulge in. It was TIME.
The one point that often gets overlooked with regards to SMiLE is the fact that Pet Sounds was a critical success, but a commercial failure. Seeing as how the Beatles were also on Capitol records, releasing SMiLE to an indifferent public might have proven a very costly mistake for the Beach Boys.
@AkiroXKE Unlike releasing Smiley Smile and then Wild Honey in it's stead, right? Not to mention Friends, Sunflower, Surf's Up and all the other sub-par stuff from the late 70s and 80s (though I'll admit I like a few songs scattered through these albums)? I think we all know they were afraid of it not selling as well the dumber stuff. My point is that it seems like that didn't matter to Brian, and once SMiLE was scrapped, he stopped giving a shit anyway.
@bouncyblisspieces At least having an unreleased masterwork in the vaults because the public wasn't ready for it might have added to the band's mystique. If it were released and subsequently tanked, it might've spelled the end for the group right then and there. The band's early idea of releasing it as a Brian Wilson solo album was a sound idea, because the band's involvement in SMiLE was minimal at best.
@AkiroXKE Okay, I see where you're coming from. You're coming from the side where # of records sold actually matters. I'm coming from the side that says as an artist Brian had the right to see his vision through without being criticized and pressured one way or another. I understand people had investments in SMiLE as a product, and I absolutely don't care. Honestly, I think the scrapping of this album DID spell the end for the group, but Brian had too good a heart to ditch his brothers and band.
@bouncyblisspieces You're right, provided it is HIS artistic vision, and not someone else's. Brian is very naive and trusting, and easily influenced by others, whether they be Mike Love, Van Dyke Parks or "psychologist-turned-composer" Dr. Eugene Landy. That's probably why he suffered the breakdown during the SMiLE period, because he was being pulled in all different directions!
@AkiroXKE i agree. if he had the confidence to just say "fuck you, i know what's best and we'll do it this way" to mike and anyone else who thought the music was "too weird", we would have had smile back in 67....other people's opinions meant wayyyyyyyyyy too much to him.
1:18 - hey Mike, don't you mean "avant garde SH*T" or whatever it was you originally said about it?....Hey Mike - what was your plan to replace SMiLE since you hated it so much?......did you have any songs or music written to do instead?...........you must have had a reason to stop such an amazing amount of work?..
Well, I also don't think it was marijuana and LSD that drove Brian over the edge. I think it was the coke and amphetamines that he got more heavily into AFTER SMilE was aborted. You're right, the suits at Capitol were another thing, but all I can think of is Brian saying "Well, Mike didn't like it."... To such a sensitive person who'd already experienced plenty of trauma and pressure, I just see this as an enormous blow. We could argue forever, but I blame M.L.. You think whatever you want.
I agree Capitol Records at the time crapped themselves when they heard SMiLE
and of course it would have been difficult to reproduce on stage which is where Mike Love comes in bur Brian was right Revolver & Pet Sounds proved that the studio was where the magic was created and concerts were needed to plug the music locally
Mike Love is not THE reason why Smile never came out. He's a big reason, but drugs, Capitol Records, and the sheer ambitiousness of the project were also big reasons. He has become quite the historical revisionist, but describing him as the reason, rather than a big reason, is not really accurate. If I had to nominate one reason over others, it would be the corporate idiots at Capitol Records.
@mabewa I agree completely. Fans have to be realistic about how HUGE this project actually was back then, and there was really only one man who could both start it and stop it, and that was Brian himself. I think the comment Mike made back then that went along the lines of "What's all this crap?" might have been in reference to the vocal tapes he was making with Michael Vosse, Danny Hutton, and the like. The "Falls Into A Piano, A Microphone, etc." tapes.
Mike Love is also the guy who dissed the Rolling Stones at (I think) the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction of the Beach Boys in '88. He also put down the Beatles. What a tool.
I'm a MAJOR Brian Wilson fan and cannot wait to listen to SMiLE on vinyl. As far as Mike Love goes...this man wrote the lyrics to "Warmth Of The Sun", so he will always have my undying respect.
I'm surprised Van Dyke Parks wasn't interviewed for these webisodes. He was a fully-featured participant in 2004 version (but no Beach Boys were interviewed for "Beautiful Dreamer" featurette. Maybe Love had something to say about it.
@MattHatter if you give mike love enough time, he'll claim he co-wrote back in the u.s.s.r. for the beatles... how many times have i heard him tell THAT story...
@teknokrat1 LOL. I've never heard Mike say that one in any interview (haven't watched enough interviews with him I guess). But yeah, he WAS in India with The Beatles during the spring of 1968.
I'm glad to see that almost no one watching these videos buys Mike Love's bullshit. Sure, he's an important part of the overall SOUND of The Beach Boys, but he's also a self-righteous and egotistical hack who killed the true SMiLE, and with it, most of the band's potential for further greatness. There probably could've been several truly visionary albums after SMiLE, instead we got Kokomo and cameos on ABC sitcoms. Does Mike need another 4 decades of meditation? It doesn't seem to be doing much.
@bouncyblisspieces Let the hate go man. Good Vibrations IS 50% Mike's. I dislike Mike by the way, but facts are facts, he was an integral part of GV. Your hatred is pointless.
@ToneGarvey Who said anything about hate? I said he was a hack, and it's true. Look what he turned them into after Brian left. "A cover band of themselves" as I've seen it put elsewhere. I love his musical contributions, and a lot of the older BB songs with him on lead are some of my favorite songs ever, but he's still the reason SMiLE never happened and he's still full of it. Sorry if that weirds you out, it's just how I feel.
@cobrabobby1 the rest of the boys, but primarily carl and denny, played on several sessions for both Pet Sounds and SMiLE. Also The Wrecking Crew were employed in i think late 1964 for the first studio work; even songs like "Help Me, Rhonda" are distinctly Brian's as a final product, and were produced in the Spector-style emulation that later morphed into the Pet Sounds and SMiLE sound. But without the angelic, soft beach boy vocals, SMiLE is a dumb angel.
@ToneGarvey Please. Tell me what he contributed to the song other than that one line. And he was the guy who hated Brian's new direction with Pet Sounds. Probably played a big part in Brian's breakdown.
They should have included a reproduction of the original &' single of Good Vibrations in the box set. Other than that, the box set is fantastic.
PAULisDEADMANnumber9 2 weeks ago
If the music today was worth a shit none of this forty years ago bullshit would even matter.
blueticecho 3 weeks ago
@blueticecho Not quite sure that comment makes sense, but I think this OLD music is still relevant..... even if today's music (for the most part) sucks.
eartant 1 week ago
i also think mike love is great ! my opinion
bobluman4 1 month ago
@bobluman4 He's a hypocritical asshole.
Mozart1220 1 month ago
i love the beach boys !
bobluman4 1 month ago
hi Mike, how do you sleep at night?
bancombe1 1 month ago
@bancombe1 I'm sure Mike sleeps well at night, being wealthy and healthy. Folks hate Mike mostly because they're sheep. Thankfully, the Dominic Priore/David Leaf bullshit mythmaking is starting to be refuted. Believe me, Brian's drug use is much more to blame than Mike Love for Smile's initial failure. If you listen to the box set, Mike's vocals are there and complete. So what then? Mike bullied Brian into not releasing it. Give me a fucking break. Seriously. Grow up, BW cultists.
peterp21 1 month ago
@peterp21 How bout you do your homework
johnboymac2000 3 weeks ago
Wow, I hear that these guys are going on a world tour! unbelievable. I'm 52 years old and remember seeing them on TV wearing the candy stripe shirts, I was just a child. History in the making.
hotathlete2 2 months ago
I noticed the Spector emulation started around the time of Please Let Me Wonder,
H, Blaine's snare/tom tom single beat, no symbols just tamborine traps, but could have
been Denny. I know Carl helped as well as Al but both the Pet Sounds and Smile sessions
sound mainly like Brian and the Wrecking crew with the basic structure, the rest of their
voices added later (exception maybe Carl). Definitely Brians harmonies layed down sound
very different than the rest together. This is fun.
cobrabobby1 2 months ago
Featherheadsify - Good ear!! About when we heard Frankie
Limon's "Why do fools" done with the Spector wall and heavy
echo plus "Honda" , that period, was the true beginning of the
end of the surf, car stuff and growth skyrocketed. Creatively he
was soaring, not to mention feeding Capitol's hit machine the
fuel they wanted. The higher register falsetto based layered
multipart vocals. Example obvious is "Sloop John B"
cobrabobby1 2 months ago
It is funny, but at the same time if you mentally include them, it makes sense lyrically and wouldn't sound bad.
hapsblog 3 months ago
Its funny how Mike still is whining about the dropping of two words, albeit through the veil of a smile..you can tell it still pisses him off...these Webisodes are awesome!!
GREGMCKEE 3 months ago
Brian had more to do with SMiLE not coming out then Mike did! If Mike was so powerful then I highly doubt Smiley Smile would've been his choice over SMiLE.
red35rob 3 months ago
I love Beach Boys and all this, but man...ALL THIS SHIT has been said a million times before already. Also, Im sick of all these repackages, greatest hits, box sets, bonus alternate mixes, etc. How many times can greedy bastards repackage the same product? Hendrix's posthumous releases have disgusted me through the years, as has Pearl Jam and Grateful Dead's, with their legion of 'live' cds aimed at die hards. I guess we consumers are to blame for spending our hard earned bread--fuckin dummies!
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@flowerdoodle Most of the SMiLE sessions had not been legally released yet! Some of it not even bootlegged! The comment about the lyric "blossom world WE FIND" was new info and interesting.
red35rob 3 months ago
@flowerdoodle This release has NOTHING to do with all the other releases you mentioned. When it comes to "SMiLE" this shit HAS NOT been said a million times, some of it is being said for the FIRST TIME if anything. This is NOT a repackage of something we already have....so who's acting like the dummy?
MattHatter 3 months ago
@MattHatter Youre a fool! Smile and all its stories and info is "old news" for those of us that have been paying attention. Per "this shit being said a million times before"-- umm, yes it has, many many (documented) times. Loads of articles have been written, interviews with Wilson and Beach Boys. Watch 'I Just Wasn't Made for These Times' doc and they talk about it. In mid 2000, they rerecorded it (as u prob know) and there was much ballyhoo surrounding that.
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@MattHatter Get Smiley Smile and it has a good number of tracks from that era. I know there are a good couple of versions of most songs. It's difficult to know whats original and what isnt. It is NOT the original Smile album because there isnt a Smile album. This is a hodgepodge of various takes and sessions. I realize that most of the tracks on this New/Old Smile are from the actual sessions from 67'. Thats great! Im sure some vocals for the songs were recorded by Carl a couple years after
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@MattHatter I love Smile! Ive been a fan for a long time, buying Smiley Smile and Surfs Up when they were one of the few ways to hear what Smile may have sounded like, save for going online and trying to convince someone to send me a bootleg, etc. Back in 2000, I fantasized about the day Wilson might go to the vaults and release what was available, even tough he claimed they had burned up.
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@MattHatter Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt mind hearing what they have done. Heard some of it on YouTube and it sounds swell. Finally repackages: I think ur missing my point. I was using Smile as a spring board for my grievances with record company greed--i.e. Hendrix still releasing "new" records 30 yrs after his death. The Dead doing the same. Do we really need another live cd of a Dead show in Argentina?? Next thing u know, a rerelease of Smile-- stereo version! After that, the REAL REAL Smile.
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@MattHatter Hey, looked at your profile and...you seem cool and have great taste in music, etc. I dont think youre a fool and you have a point. I realized that Im probably talking out of my ass a little here ;)
flowerdoodle 3 months ago
@flowerdoodle It's all good man. Ha ha! I came to this comment first in my e-mail and since you were apologizing, I figured I was in for some pretty angry replies from you when I saw the OTHER comments. Oh I TOTALLY agree about The Dead and the fact that Experience Hendrix seems to be milking Jimi's legacy for all it's worth (have to admit I'm still waiting for a fully remastered Royal Albert Hall set though). Yeah it's good we finally have a big "SMiLE" box to indulge in. It was TIME.
MattHatter 3 months ago
Please include Carl in the tags.
StanKindly 3 months ago
The one point that often gets overlooked with regards to SMiLE is the fact that Pet Sounds was a critical success, but a commercial failure. Seeing as how the Beatles were also on Capitol records, releasing SMiLE to an indifferent public might have proven a very costly mistake for the Beach Boys.
AkiroXKE 3 months ago
@AkiroXKE Unlike releasing Smiley Smile and then Wild Honey in it's stead, right? Not to mention Friends, Sunflower, Surf's Up and all the other sub-par stuff from the late 70s and 80s (though I'll admit I like a few songs scattered through these albums)? I think we all know they were afraid of it not selling as well the dumber stuff. My point is that it seems like that didn't matter to Brian, and once SMiLE was scrapped, he stopped giving a shit anyway.
bouncyblisspieces 3 months ago
@bouncyblisspieces At least having an unreleased masterwork in the vaults because the public wasn't ready for it might have added to the band's mystique. If it were released and subsequently tanked, it might've spelled the end for the group right then and there. The band's early idea of releasing it as a Brian Wilson solo album was a sound idea, because the band's involvement in SMiLE was minimal at best.
AkiroXKE 3 months ago
@AkiroXKE Okay, I see where you're coming from. You're coming from the side where # of records sold actually matters. I'm coming from the side that says as an artist Brian had the right to see his vision through without being criticized and pressured one way or another. I understand people had investments in SMiLE as a product, and I absolutely don't care. Honestly, I think the scrapping of this album DID spell the end for the group, but Brian had too good a heart to ditch his brothers and band.
bouncyblisspieces 3 months ago
@bouncyblisspieces You're right, provided it is HIS artistic vision, and not someone else's. Brian is very naive and trusting, and easily influenced by others, whether they be Mike Love, Van Dyke Parks or "psychologist-turned-composer" Dr. Eugene Landy. That's probably why he suffered the breakdown during the SMiLE period, because he was being pulled in all different directions!
AkiroXKE 3 months ago
@AkiroXKE i agree. if he had the confidence to just say "fuck you, i know what's best and we'll do it this way" to mike and anyone else who thought the music was "too weird", we would have had smile back in 67....other people's opinions meant wayyyyyyyyyy too much to him.
jaokguy 3 months ago
Ok, I know Mr. Love can't be solely blamed, but Brian could have used the SUPPORT!
todtubetod 3 months ago
1:18 - hey Mike, don't you mean "avant garde SH*T" or whatever it was you originally said about it?....Hey Mike - what was your plan to replace SMiLE since you hated it so much?......did you have any songs or music written to do instead?...........you must have had a reason to stop such an amazing amount of work?..
todtubetod 3 months ago
Well, I also don't think it was marijuana and LSD that drove Brian over the edge. I think it was the coke and amphetamines that he got more heavily into AFTER SMilE was aborted. You're right, the suits at Capitol were another thing, but all I can think of is Brian saying "Well, Mike didn't like it."... To such a sensitive person who'd already experienced plenty of trauma and pressure, I just see this as an enormous blow. We could argue forever, but I blame M.L.. You think whatever you want.
bouncyblisspieces 3 months ago
I agree Capitol Records at the time crapped themselves when they heard SMiLE
and of course it would have been difficult to reproduce on stage which is where Mike Love comes in bur Brian was right Revolver & Pet Sounds proved that the studio was where the magic was created and concerts were needed to plug the music locally
Mrjeff3ry 3 months ago 2
Mike Love is not THE reason why Smile never came out. He's a big reason, but drugs, Capitol Records, and the sheer ambitiousness of the project were also big reasons. He has become quite the historical revisionist, but describing him as the reason, rather than a big reason, is not really accurate. If I had to nominate one reason over others, it would be the corporate idiots at Capitol Records.
mabewa 3 months ago
@mabewa I agree completely. Fans have to be realistic about how HUGE this project actually was back then, and there was really only one man who could both start it and stop it, and that was Brian himself. I think the comment Mike made back then that went along the lines of "What's all this crap?" might have been in reference to the vocal tapes he was making with Michael Vosse, Danny Hutton, and the like. The "Falls Into A Piano, A Microphone, etc." tapes.
MattHatter 3 months ago
Mike Love is also the guy who dissed the Rolling Stones at (I think) the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction of the Beach Boys in '88. He also put down the Beatles. What a tool.
finylvinyl66 3 months ago
I'm a MAJOR Brian Wilson fan and cannot wait to listen to SMiLE on vinyl. As far as Mike Love goes...this man wrote the lyrics to "Warmth Of The Sun", so he will always have my undying respect.
tkerley 3 months ago
I'm surprised Van Dyke Parks wasn't interviewed for these webisodes. He was a fully-featured participant in 2004 version (but no Beach Boys were interviewed for "Beautiful Dreamer" featurette. Maybe Love had something to say about it.
cadmaster102 3 months ago
@cadmaster102 I've read that he didn't want to be involved in the project ...- surprising, don't you think ?
dummytree 3 months ago
Another great video....It's great to be a Brian Wilson/Beach Boy fan right now!!!
Pauljmac25 3 months ago
I thought Mike had just come up with the "I'm picking up good vibrations" part. He wrote the whole line about the "blossom world" too?
MattHatter 4 months ago
@MattHatter if you give mike love enough time, he'll claim he co-wrote back in the u.s.s.r. for the beatles... how many times have i heard him tell THAT story...
teknokrat1 4 months ago
@teknokrat1 LOL. I've never heard Mike say that one in any interview (haven't watched enough interviews with him I guess). But yeah, he WAS in India with The Beatles during the spring of 1968.
MattHatter 3 months ago
@MattHatter watch the endless harmony dvd.
teknokrat1 3 months ago
@MattHatter Yes. Mike is great.
mdefil23 3 months ago
I'm glad to see that almost no one watching these videos buys Mike Love's bullshit. Sure, he's an important part of the overall SOUND of The Beach Boys, but he's also a self-righteous and egotistical hack who killed the true SMiLE, and with it, most of the band's potential for further greatness. There probably could've been several truly visionary albums after SMiLE, instead we got Kokomo and cameos on ABC sitcoms. Does Mike need another 4 decades of meditation? It doesn't seem to be doing much.
bouncyblisspieces 4 months ago
@bouncyblisspieces Let the hate go man. Good Vibrations IS 50% Mike's. I dislike Mike by the way, but facts are facts, he was an integral part of GV. Your hatred is pointless.
ToneGarvey 4 months ago
@ToneGarvey Who said anything about hate? I said he was a hack, and it's true. Look what he turned them into after Brian left. "A cover band of themselves" as I've seen it put elsewhere. I love his musical contributions, and a lot of the older BB songs with him on lead are some of my favorite songs ever, but he's still the reason SMiLE never happened and he's still full of it. Sorry if that weirds you out, it's just how I feel.
bouncyblisspieces 4 months ago 13
@bouncyblisspieces I completely agree with you
rhye999 4 months ago
@bouncyblisspieces You are exactly right bouncy. Look, every one of the
BBs contributed some, but both Pet Sounds and Smile are Brian only,
the rest supply the final "Sorta voice overs". Listen to disc 2 Heros and Villians
song 2, every overdub, layer, and every voice is Brian. Sounds like he might have
presented this one to the rest and said "copy this only apply your voices" The
road BB's were indeed Brian's cover band.
cobrabobby1 3 months ago
@cobrabobby1 the rest of the boys, but primarily carl and denny, played on several sessions for both Pet Sounds and SMiLE. Also The Wrecking Crew were employed in i think late 1964 for the first studio work; even songs like "Help Me, Rhonda" are distinctly Brian's as a final product, and were produced in the Spector-style emulation that later morphed into the Pet Sounds and SMiLE sound. But without the angelic, soft beach boy vocals, SMiLE is a dumb angel.
featherheadsify 2 months ago
@ToneGarvey Please. Tell me what he contributed to the song other than that one line. And he was the guy who hated Brian's new direction with Pet Sounds. Probably played a big part in Brian's breakdown.
finylvinyl66 3 months ago
Yeah, right, "Good vibrations" is like 50% Mike's... come on!
droningforever 4 months ago