Excellent vid, excellent fighters. Shows the use of that sidekick, which has begun to become forsaken in full contact, can really be effective! Thanks for posting this!
@zhipengsun86 actually i think i can beat them both, im actually not that old and i do kung fu and boxing and i enter in competitions so i think i would know what im talking about
@viralsage luck!!?!?!?!? no offense but, r you idiot? if you're trying to be raped or kidnapped and you want to defend yourself, and you escaped because you knew how to fight, was that good luck? NO!
@darkairaxandrew You missed the point completely. The question is which style is superior. When you pit two styles against each other it's a matter of individual skill. If both are evenly matched it will depend on the opportunity of the moment. Every style has a unique perspective on strategy and technique.
and who would be "trying to be raped or kidnapped"?
I don't believe people aim to have that happen to them.
We're also talking about combat value not street applicability.
It was the Chinese martial art Sanda, against Kyokushin Karate... Sanda won because of practicality but it just pissed me off how they were forcing extra rules and restrictions to give the Japanese Karate an advantage..
San Shou ain't Shaolin. If that kid were Shaolin he'd be getting his ass kicked pretty bad by the Kyokushin guy. Luckily for the Chinese, they finally have a full contact MA that can compete with Kyokushin Karate and Muay Thai. Love the whole international competition between those 3 styles. Then you have the Koreans who just have TKD. Sucks for them.
@Ljenkins9000 you are a dumb fuck my friend, i'm afraid you have been brainwashed by stereotypes, tell me, have you ACTUALLY WATCHED A REAL SHAOLIN FIGHT, NOT SOME KNOCK OFF FROM THE MOVIES OR SOME POSERS ON YOUTUBE. i went to the shaolin temple in china, and saw them, those guys are serious, plus, their training is beyond your imagination, wake up at 4 in the morning, run up a mountain, then come back down crawling head first, then they spend the rest of the day practicing
@dynastyflygon No, I haven't watched a Shaolin monk fight. Do you know why? Because it doesn't fucking exist. They don't fight. Period. They won't even compete in local kung fu sparring competitions with other kung fu people. Yes, they're in shape, they spend a ton of time "training", but it's not related to fighting. They do forms all day long and compliant two man sets, but no sparring.
@Ljenkins9000 Not true we spar all the time, just dont enter competitions, you are free to come and spar me anytime you like as long as its not sold for profit. Come laong to our temple in london and you can spar any of us. Im sure Shi Yanzi will spar you too aslong as its not recorded on tape,
@ShaolinEast I'll believe that you do spar. I'll even believe it's possible that you do know the difference between shitty no contact/tippy-tappy sparring and full contact sparring, and that it's possible you are within the extremely small minority of Kung Fu people who do actually go full contact. However, the vast majority of kung fu practitioners throughout the world not only don't go full contact, but they don't spar AT ALL. This includes the monks at the Shaolin Temple.
@Ljenkins9000 Well, the monks are pacifists, aren't they? I thought the martial arts were a self-imposed discipline to attain spiritual enlightenment..
@TheTerrorUforgot Yes, in their case, that's exactly what they are. They cannot fight UFC fighters, they cannot fly.
"I thought the martial arts were a self-imposed discipline to attain spiritual enlightenment."
First and foremost martial arts are about fighting. All else is secondary. The monks however do it for exercise and discipline, and now also to keep up the whole "Shaolin monk mystique" so they can continue bringing in money from tourists.
@Ljenkins9000 to become a successful fighter, you need the following: power, precision, flexibility, maneuverability and reaction. the shaolin monks dedicate their entire lives training, unlike some karate dude, who only spends a few hours a day training, then he has to worry about his wife, his school life if he was a student, money, etc.
so in conclusion, any attack would be blocked by a real shaolin monk
but if they're fighting againt jiu jitsu, thats a different story....
@dynastyflygon I've searched for a long time, but everything I find matches the description of people who have actually been to the temple and trained with them: namely, they are very much so in shape and can do some amazing things, but they don't know how to fight.
The really important thing though, is that nobody who trains kung fu other than Sanda have ever been able to do well in any kind of competition against other styles. That alone is solid proof that kung fu, in general, sucks.
@loempiavreter Nice. I do like it a lot when a few of them can actually pull it off and make it work really well. People just need to realize that they, like Lyoto Machida is for Shotokan, are the very few exceptions.
"to become a successful fighter, you need the following: power, precision, flexibility, maneuverability and reaction"
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Actually, to get good at fighting, you have to actually fight. You can spend the whole day doing katas and running and swimming and any number of other things which are unrelated to fighting every day for 20 years, and somebody who trains a realistic style like BJJ, Wrestling or Kyokushin Karate for two hours a week will still always beat you.
@Ljenkins9000 wow you are such a dumbass when it comes to Chinese culture it's embarassing to see you failing. My suggestions do your research before showing everyone on the internet how much of a dumbass you are. Go back to school sir and there's alot of things they do in shaolin like train their bodies to resist pain even their testacles and train self defense kung fu.
@SunWukong4 You have not mentioned even one thing you mistakenly believe I am wrong about. All you have done is rant about how I'm stupid and wrong. You're going to have to get a little more specific if you want to prove a point.
@Ljenkins9000 You don't have anything to prove yourself right which is what you have been doing. Where do you think fighting forms of kung fu originate from what do you think Shaolin monks did at the temple other than train their bodies, you have nothing to prove your self right just like that video where you tried to claim kung fu can't work and you believe Choy Lay Fut couldn't help you defend against multiple opponents when you are TRAINED to do it and have been credited to do it.
cont.. How can you believe your facts are correct when you don't bother to reasearch anything. You claimed kung fu could never work in MMA but there have been practitioners who've used traditional styles and put it into their MMA. Another thing to note you thought I believed Jet Li movies where ral fighting which is quite hilarious since eventhough I'm a KF fanboy I could tell the difference much better than you could.
Another thing about shaolin THEY ARE MONKS why would they compete.
Where exactly did I claim this? I give a tons of credit to San Da/San Shou fighters. The only real kung fu fighters today.
"Another thing about shaolin THEY ARE MONKS why would they compete."
In order to test themselves and the method of training they have been practicing. If you train to do one thing all your life, it makes sense to test whether what you are doing actually works once in a while.
@Ljenkins9000 you claimed traditional kung fu is either bs or hit and miss (bagua CLF). You know kung fu is no different from karate and tae kwon do in terms of practical use especially in a ring, ever thought of looking up bak mei kung fu or bajiquan or hung gar because those style can be used in MMA for striking while Chinna can be use for grappling there are styles that resemble BJJ.
Aslo take a look at dan hawley and sifu tyrone agnolia mantis kung fu experts using their art in MMA.
@Ljenkins9000 You should start looking at more vidoes of kung fu sparring or the fights they do with gloves in tournaments heck even wing chunners fight in the ring with gloves on. 99% how about 50 because the only kung fu I can think of that doesn't spar or drill is sports wushu.
Go here art of war fc . cn /?q =no de / 276 then try to tell me Qinna is nothing like BJJ.
"heck even wing chunners fight in the ring with gloves on"
This sort of "fighting" is worse than point sparring karate tournaments.
Anyways, you're confusing "they rarely spar and spend almost all of their time on forms" with "they never spar". And with the amount of rules they enforce and the usual little-to-no contact they normally do, they're more than likely just creating very bad habits which actually make them worse at fighting.
@Ljenkins9000 "Anyways, you're confusing "they rarely spar and spend almost all of their time on forms" with "they never spar"."
Are you still talking about wushu because that is the only time kung fu practitioners don't spar. The thing about those wing chunners is they "Practice" with gloves on, why would you need to practice with gloves on if there's no sparring involved.
"Are you still talking about wushu because that is the only time kung fu practitioners don't spar."
You should re-read my words you quoted just above this.
"Same for kung fu you have to spar with it to apply it to a fight"
These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth, IME. Believe it or not, a great many kung fu people do not believe this. They think their forms and drills are all you need to learn self defense, and that they're too deadly for competition.
@Ljenkins9000 "These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth."
Perhaps that is the reason kung fu has had no success in MMA. Why do you think Sifu Tyrone Angolia did good in MMA while other didn't because he modified his kung fu for MMA.
@Ljenkins9000 "These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth."
Perhaps that is the reason kung fu has had no success in MMA. Why do you think Sifu Tyrone Angolia did good in MMA while other didn't because he practiced his kung fu right as every other kung fu fighter should have.l
"Aslo take a look at dan hawley and sifu tyrone agnolia mantis kung fu experts using their art in MMA."
If they spar hard and often under limited rule sets, I'm sure they can make mantis kung fu work in MMA. They are still the exception however, not the norm.
@Ljenkins9000 normal, exception what's the difference it seems you are judging the art by style not the practitoner. what if muay thai boxers were given crappy training and got their asses handed to them in MMA then people like you would say muay thai sucks and boxing/kickboxing is better, what if boxers/kickboxers got their asses kick in mma you wouldn't beleive in the style. It is not the style it is how hard the practionioner works, kung fu isn't well known because it needs serious guys.
"if muay thai boxers were given crappy training and got their asses handed to them in MMA then people like you would say muay thai sucks and boxing/kickboxing is better"
Yes, of course I would. A style is defined by the way it trains most of it's practitioners to fight and the rules they compete under. Muay Thai is thought of as a very useful martial art because almost all of it's practitioners throughout the world can fight well. How else could I possibly judge a martial art's usefulness?
@Ljenkins9000 Same for kung fu you have to spar with it to apply it to a fight, if you want to train kung fu for a fight then go to a chool that teaches you how to fight not a wushu class or a mcdojo.
"It is not the style it is how hard the practionioner works"
Not exactly. If you take a guy who has trained BJJ twice a week for 2 years and have him fight a kung fu practitioner who has trained 5 days a week for 10 years, the BJJ guy is still going to win 99 out of 100 times.
@Ljenkins9000 that is true but it depends on the kung fu, bjj wins kung fu because those kung fu guys were strikers and grappler often beat strikers but there are chinese wrestlers and grapplers that have similar judo/jujitsu techniques keep in mind.
"what if boxers/kickboxers got their asses kick in mma you wouldn't beleive in the style"
If there was a style of tennis players who only hit tennis balls against their garage door all day, and when they competed against other tennis players and lost, you would say that their "style" of tennis training was inadequate, right?
@Ljenkins9000 my point is it depends on the training there are kung fu practitioners who do spar like karate and taekwon do heck even kickboxing they spar too. It takes a kung fu practitioner trained for MMA to do good in MMA.
@mazdaplz wow fken ppl cant read. Where in my post did i say that there WASNT a chinese flag? I was simply stating that when Japanese ppl lose something that accpet it unlike koreans
@VNPrince lmfao they don't accept it, they don't even admit it ¬¬. like ww1. they still say they didn't do anything in it, and that china attacked them first. plus they literally rewrote the world war's history in their own books.
@VNPrince apparently people approve of completely irrelevant racism these days. i suppose i have to get with the times. sadly i feel disinclined to agree with the ignorant majority... i wonder why :/
both of em are pretty bad the way i evaluated them, there was heaps of opening in both their defences, and the kick boxer was really bad he shouldnt of won he kept on retreating when he had so many good option to take him down
@AznPrideT0TheExtreme they are kids and with their age they can compete well. The future are bright for these guys. I think you better take your hands in the keyboard and start trainining you fat ass.
@SupremeARA915 when he face the muay thai kid? I already uploaded a copy of that one a few months ago. cleverly named "Kyokushin karate vs Muay thai (12 y old kids)"
That was gay when the Shaolin guy pushed the Karate guy out of the ring... But thats the rules... I guess it was a good plan. Im not one to say Martial arts are a game and I strongly belive in a fight anything goes as long as you stop your attacker from hurting you, but theres better sportsmanship then pushing out, at least punch him out of the ring lol
Well you both can go push your way to victory lol How good do you think he feels knowing he cheap shot pushed his way to the win??? Hes good, and thats a good tactic, but I dont think I would have done it... If you win without honor, is it a win??? Of course this does not apply in a real fight for your life, but in a tournament... Id say its a unspoken rule, at least for Japanese =D I guess Chinese have a different code of honor...
Gotta love how much that makes sense, seeing as Karate comes directly from Chinese kung fu lol Shaolin monks are not as good as everyone puts off, they actually get beat often in underground fights. Shaolin is awesome, and im not gonna say they are weak, because to say any style is "weak" just makes you look stupid. Karate is not weak, it also helps to be a foot taller then your opponet and have twice his reach lol Until you get punched by a bare knuckle Karate punch, just keep quiet lol
Just dont be fooled by movies or demos, shaolin is great, but no one can say which style is the best. All the arts are good, especially ones with history like kung fu and Karate.
Yeah there was a few that did in like the 1990s in Brazil. Lots of them actually lost, mostly agenst Jujitsu. Shaolin have become weaker sense the time has changed and they never fight for real anymore. Kung fu had lots of ground grappling and fighting, that is the base of Jujitsu. But sense no fighting, they are mostly just a show for the people, people dont care about what is practical, they want to see awesome jump kicks and stuff. Sanda is more true Kung fu then Shaolin.
I am not making it up, but maby im wrong. But I am not lying on perpose if I am =( I thought that a shaolin monk fought in a underground fight in Brazil before. I sware I heard that before, maby it was not Shaolin, but just another tempol monk. But many Shaolin monks compete in Sanda competitions in China. Many monks train Shaolin/Sanda and become champions... I know many Sanda schools teach kids Wushu and then later they train Sanda.
man, where do you get this stuff. Shaolin Monks DONT PARTICIPATE IN ANY FIGHT COMPETITIONS.
only skill demonstrations. man, i JUST read it. 5 muai thai fighters were LIED to have challenged the Shaolin Temple by a Chinese event planner. (hes a tard)
Shaolin Temple released a statement they never got one from Thai Fighters, BUT, they get challenges EVERY DAY. they NEVER respond.
the Shaolin rep specifically said they have never agreed to fight for a reason like that.
Maby just some Sanda fighters get lucky and are alowed to train in shaolin tempols sometimes. I know even some white people have gotten to before for like a few weeks. But also, if you watch fight quest, they trained in a tempol, they trained in traditional kung fu, then sanda and they fought monks that also participated in Sanda fights, but learned old wushu growing up. Maby shaolin dosent, but many tempols do. Shaolin is getting lame, they never fight..., They can only do cool demos =(
No man, thoughs videos piss me off so much... Its so stupid, the Gracies and MMA fighters in thoughs "MMA VS Karate" vids never do anything. They are stupid videos. The Hapkido guy VS Gracies... A real Hapkido would know lots of ground fighting seeing as it and Jujitsu are very similar. Yet all he tried was side kick. Iv never seen any MMA or Gracie VS a actually good school. Look at Lyoto Machida, Karate obviiusly works, or in your case, Cung Le, Kung fu obviously works.
no one teaches application and to du that u need to under stand zen buddhism meaning every single move ment u do is applicatble just use one imagination its a shame great arts are dying to garbage
"But sense no fighting, they are mostly just a show for the people, people dont care about what is practical, they want to see awesome jump kicks and stuff. Sanda is more true Kung fu then Shaolin."
Wow I thought you were a crazy kung fu nutrider but it looks like you have a good amount of common sense after all.
In combat Kung fu its alot different then what you see in the movies. You know me, from many videos. As I said, my family is involved in many asian gang fighting in California. Iv seen combat Kung fu, they usually dont kick above the waist in real life, because its too easy to be flipped over. Mostly sidekick to knee or a type of push kick to the thigh is what Chinese mostly use from what iv seen. Koreans are the jumping people, they do many jump kicks, jump sidekick to the back mostly lol
@GuamKomudo And where do you hear these stories of shaolin monks getting beaten up. Shaolin Monks fought Pirates and are trained to have strong bodies where you get this I don't know but it is likely BS.
"And where do you hear these stories of shaolin monks getting beaten up."
There are quite a few stories of monks getting beaten up. There just haven't been any recently, because the monks don't compete, fight or spar with anyone including themselves. They decided it's best not to prove they're not the ultimate magical flyng kung fu fighters people like you think they are.
Everything you think you know about Shaolin monks fighting prowess comes from movies and the TV show "Kung Fu".
"Have you ever heard of their battles against the wokou and how little casualties they had."
Yeah. These are fairy tales. The fact that you still believe such nonsense shows quite a bit about your mental maturity. Not to mention the fact that you cannot make the connection that even if these stories were true, they say nothing of how Shaolin monks today can fight, as the only thing the monks of hundreds of years past have in common with the monks of today is that they are in the same temple.
@Ljenkins9000 "Yeah. These are fairy tales. The fact that you still believe such nonsense shows quite a bit about your mental maturity."
Let me ask you something why everytime I tell you something the has been written in history and has had reliable sources that prove you wrong you comeback with nonsense that makes everyone laugh. Are you embarassed enough because to make up such nonsense shows quite alot about your mental immaturity.
"Let me ask you something why everytime I tell you something the has been written in history and has had reliable sources"
As a history major, I can tell you that those sources are less reliable than Herodotus. Do you also believe the monks can fly and ninjas can actually dissapear because it was written by similar historical sources?
@Ljenkins9000 "Do you also believe the monks can fly and ninjas can actually dissapear because it was written by similar historical sources?"
I don't believe monks can fly but I do beleive the black eggs are what made people think ninjas could dissappear?
Do you know who the Wokou are they are pirates who raided asian coastlines why would there be writtien history of wokou in japanese and chinese and korean cultures why would all three of them dismiss it.
@Ljenkins9000 I find you hilarious that you would bring up movies again look who thinks movies come first when talking about the "Real" Shaolin Monks.
The karate kid positioned himself to be pushed off, there is no rule against pushing, all is fair in war and love. I would done the same thing, or worse, I'm just going to kick karate kid off the stage.
Like I said, im a Karate guy, half Japanese done Karate as a kid. Im speaking from Karate guys point of view, I just wouldent have done that cause I feel like its kinda lame... But obviously Kung fu guy wasent there to be Jesus, he wanted to win. Kung fu and Karate is about not dying, if you gotta push someone off the edge to live... Whatever works man. Combat is combat, no one said that was agenst the rules. Real fighters fight with their heads, not their fists. So, good job KF kid!
at 1:48 the Karate kid would've won if there was grappling involved. But anyway awesome fight seriously
badfoody 1 week ago
the karate kid gets cool points for the gi
ccslax6 3 weeks ago
Excellent vid, excellent fighters. Shows the use of that sidekick, which has begun to become forsaken in full contact, can really be effective! Thanks for posting this!
toddymo 1 month ago
These kids fight way better than adults in 80% of the videos on youtube.
Temujin4815 1 month ago 3
damn who knew eleven year old Martial arts Fight could be so intense
Isaiah850ify 3 months ago
7:16 , awesome!!!!
MrCool710 3 months ago 3
Brilliant skill by both fighters
JKT6 4 months ago
should of had the japanese using karate and JUDO to represent them i think
JKT6 4 months ago
good effort on both sies but the chinese guy won it in my opinion but it was close
DeftDaoist 4 months ago
what channel is this? i love watching the asians fight not the ufc crap
choyleefutkid1 4 months ago
shaolin sanshou vs kyokushin karate? They 2 fight same style.
townnet 5 months ago
@townnet there is no throw in Karate
squallseedD171 4 months ago
At around 7:20 I could see he tried to attempt a wheel kick. :/ Nice try.
jung567 5 months ago
@jung567 I can see a hug <3
iLConker 4 months ago
what organization is this? they put on some good fights ....
ThaPython04 5 months ago
The kid who did karate should win, the sanda kids attacks were pretty sloppy, no disrespect.
bambootran28 6 months ago
THATS WHAT I CALL A FIGHT...GREAT ONE NICE TO SEE THOESE KIDS,,,WOOOW
ravipawar59 7 months ago
Did I see Bruce Lee @7:04
UltimateCalmIT 7 months ago
Shiratori Taizu , He Is My Friend .
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@zhipengsun86 actually i think i can beat them both, im actually not that old and i do kung fu and boxing and i enter in competitions so i think i would know what im talking about
AznPrideT0TheExtreme 1 year ago
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AznPrideT0TheExtreme 1 year ago
some should call Dana White this kid has potential in the UFC teach him Judo,Wreslting and other grappling and he will be supreme
mitchx69 1 year ago
whats better kung-fu-sanda or karate-kyokushin
wingogroup 1 year ago
@wingogroup A high power rifle from a couple hundred feet away.
Seriously, there really isn't a "better" or "best" style it depends on the practitioner.
Every style has its own strengths and weaknesses. All things being equal, it comes down to luck.
viralsage 1 year ago 2
@viralsage luck!!?!?!?!? no offense but, r you idiot? if you're trying to be raped or kidnapped and you want to defend yourself, and you escaped because you knew how to fight, was that good luck? NO!
darkairaxandrew 1 year ago
@darkairaxandrew You missed the point completely. The question is which style is superior. When you pit two styles against each other it's a matter of individual skill. If both are evenly matched it will depend on the opportunity of the moment. Every style has a unique perspective on strategy and technique.
and who would be "trying to be raped or kidnapped"?
I don't believe people aim to have that happen to them.
We're also talking about combat value not street applicability.
viralsage 1 year ago 5
I would also pose this question:
Which is better a knife or a gun?
Well, it depends on what you're doing with it. It could be a battle to the death
or making lunch. Context makes a difference. That's why there are many different styles.
viralsage 1 year ago
@viralsage Spoken like someone who hasn't ever fought in a real kick boxing match.
inEarthCEO 2 months ago
@inEarthCEO You are an idiot
viralsage 2 months ago
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Temujin4815 1 month ago
It was the Chinese martial art Sanda, against Kyokushin Karate... Sanda won because of practicality but it just pissed me off how they were forcing extra rules and restrictions to give the Japanese Karate an advantage..
gamrage 1 year ago
the japance should of one that one but iam not a judge
ToughRisingSun 1 year ago
holy shit these kids are amazing
dynastyflygon 1 year ago
WTF? That little shaolin kid cheated!
RomeoSOF2 1 year ago
nice fight, and what is the name of the song playing throught the video. i like it.
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1980eastman 1 year ago
San Shou ain't Shaolin. If that kid were Shaolin he'd be getting his ass kicked pretty bad by the Kyokushin guy. Luckily for the Chinese, they finally have a full contact MA that can compete with Kyokushin Karate and Muay Thai. Love the whole international competition between those 3 styles. Then you have the Koreans who just have TKD. Sucks for them.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 you are a dumb fuck my friend, i'm afraid you have been brainwashed by stereotypes, tell me, have you ACTUALLY WATCHED A REAL SHAOLIN FIGHT, NOT SOME KNOCK OFF FROM THE MOVIES OR SOME POSERS ON YOUTUBE. i went to the shaolin temple in china, and saw them, those guys are serious, plus, their training is beyond your imagination, wake up at 4 in the morning, run up a mountain, then come back down crawling head first, then they spend the rest of the day practicing
dynastyflygon 1 year ago
@dynastyflygon No, I haven't watched a Shaolin monk fight. Do you know why? Because it doesn't fucking exist. They don't fight. Period. They won't even compete in local kung fu sparring competitions with other kung fu people. Yes, they're in shape, they spend a ton of time "training", but it's not related to fighting. They do forms all day long and compliant two man sets, but no sparring.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Not true we spar all the time, just dont enter competitions, you are free to come and spar me anytime you like as long as its not sold for profit. Come laong to our temple in london and you can spar any of us. Im sure Shi Yanzi will spar you too aslong as its not recorded on tape,
ShaolinEast 1 year ago
@ShaolinEast I'll believe that you do spar. I'll even believe it's possible that you do know the difference between shitty no contact/tippy-tappy sparring and full contact sparring, and that it's possible you are within the extremely small minority of Kung Fu people who do actually go full contact. However, the vast majority of kung fu practitioners throughout the world not only don't go full contact, but they don't spar AT ALL. This includes the monks at the Shaolin Temple.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Well, the monks are pacifists, aren't they? I thought the martial arts were a self-imposed discipline to attain spiritual enlightenment..
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@TheTerrorUforgot Yes, in their case, that's exactly what they are. They cannot fight UFC fighters, they cannot fly.
"I thought the martial arts were a self-imposed discipline to attain spiritual enlightenment."
First and foremost martial arts are about fighting. All else is secondary. The monks however do it for exercise and discipline, and now also to keep up the whole "Shaolin monk mystique" so they can continue bringing in money from tourists.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
"Im sure Shi Yanzi will spar you too aslong as its not recorded on tape,"
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Btw, if one of your instructors is telling you this, it is a very, VERY bad sign. Strong indicator of bullshido.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 to become a successful fighter, you need the following: power, precision, flexibility, maneuverability and reaction. the shaolin monks dedicate their entire lives training, unlike some karate dude, who only spends a few hours a day training, then he has to worry about his wife, his school life if he was a student, money, etc.
so in conclusion, any attack would be blocked by a real shaolin monk
but if they're fighting againt jiu jitsu, thats a different story....
dynastyflygon 1 year ago
@dynastyflygon I've searched for a long time, but everything I find matches the description of people who have actually been to the temple and trained with them: namely, they are very much so in shape and can do some amazing things, but they don't know how to fight.
The really important thing though, is that nobody who trains kung fu other than Sanda have ever been able to do well in any kind of competition against other styles. That alone is solid proof that kung fu, in general, sucks.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000
Look up Ehsan Shafiq an Afghan Kung Fu guy, beats up kickboxers with fancy tricking/xma like stuff.
loempiavreter 1 year ago
@loempiavreter Nice. I do like it a lot when a few of them can actually pull it off and make it work really well. People just need to realize that they, like Lyoto Machida is for Shotokan, are the very few exceptions.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
"to become a successful fighter, you need the following: power, precision, flexibility, maneuverability and reaction"
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Actually, to get good at fighting, you have to actually fight. You can spend the whole day doing katas and running and swimming and any number of other things which are unrelated to fighting every day for 20 years, and somebody who trains a realistic style like BJJ, Wrestling or Kyokushin Karate for two hours a week will still always beat you.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 wow you are such a dumbass when it comes to Chinese culture it's embarassing to see you failing. My suggestions do your research before showing everyone on the internet how much of a dumbass you are. Go back to school sir and there's alot of things they do in shaolin like train their bodies to resist pain even their testacles and train self defense kung fu.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@SunWukong4 You have not mentioned even one thing you mistakenly believe I am wrong about. All you have done is rant about how I'm stupid and wrong. You're going to have to get a little more specific if you want to prove a point.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 You don't have anything to prove yourself right which is what you have been doing. Where do you think fighting forms of kung fu originate from what do you think Shaolin monks did at the temple other than train their bodies, you have nothing to prove your self right just like that video where you tried to claim kung fu can't work and you believe Choy Lay Fut couldn't help you defend against multiple opponents when you are TRAINED to do it and have been credited to do it.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
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"You don't have anything to prove yourself right which is what you have been doing."
Lol.
"what do you think Shaolin monks did at the temple other than train their bodies"
I know what they do now and it has nothing to do with fighting.
"How can you believe your facts are correct when you don't bother to reasearch anything"
I have done an enormous amount of research on this subject. What makes you think I have not?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
cont.. How can you believe your facts are correct when you don't bother to reasearch anything. You claimed kung fu could never work in MMA but there have been practitioners who've used traditional styles and put it into their MMA. Another thing to note you thought I believed Jet Li movies where ral fighting which is quite hilarious since eventhough I'm a KF fanboy I could tell the difference much better than you could.
Another thing about shaolin THEY ARE MONKS why would they compete.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"You claimed kung fu could never work in MMA"
Where exactly did I claim this? I give a tons of credit to San Da/San Shou fighters. The only real kung fu fighters today.
"Another thing about shaolin THEY ARE MONKS why would they compete."
In order to test themselves and the method of training they have been practicing. If you train to do one thing all your life, it makes sense to test whether what you are doing actually works once in a while.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 you claimed traditional kung fu is either bs or hit and miss (bagua CLF). You know kung fu is no different from karate and tae kwon do in terms of practical use especially in a ring, ever thought of looking up bak mei kung fu or bajiquan or hung gar because those style can be used in MMA for striking while Chinna can be use for grappling there are styles that resemble BJJ.
Aslo take a look at dan hawley and sifu tyrone agnolia mantis kung fu experts using their art in MMA.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"You know kung fu is no different from karate and tae kwon do in terms of practical use especially in a ring"
Depends on the training. Do they spend a lot of time sparring? Rarely. Do they spend 99% of their time learning forms? Usually.
"Chinna can be use for grappling there are styles that resemble BJJ."
Chin Na does not resemble BJJ and has proven to not be as practical. Judo resembles BJJ. That's it as far as asian grappling styles go.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 You should start looking at more vidoes of kung fu sparring or the fights they do with gloves in tournaments heck even wing chunners fight in the ring with gloves on. 99% how about 50 because the only kung fu I can think of that doesn't spar or drill is sports wushu.
Go here art of war fc . cn /?q =no de / 276 then try to tell me Qinna is nothing like BJJ.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"heck even wing chunners fight in the ring with gloves on"
This sort of "fighting" is worse than point sparring karate tournaments.
Anyways, you're confusing "they rarely spar and spend almost all of their time on forms" with "they never spar". And with the amount of rules they enforce and the usual little-to-no contact they normally do, they're more than likely just creating very bad habits which actually make them worse at fighting.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "Anyways, you're confusing "they rarely spar and spend almost all of their time on forms" with "they never spar"."
Are you still talking about wushu because that is the only time kung fu practitioners don't spar. The thing about those wing chunners is they "Practice" with gloves on, why would you need to practice with gloves on if there's no sparring involved.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"Are you still talking about wushu because that is the only time kung fu practitioners don't spar."
You should re-read my words you quoted just above this.
"Same for kung fu you have to spar with it to apply it to a fight"
These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth, IME. Believe it or not, a great many kung fu people do not believe this. They think their forms and drills are all you need to learn self defense, and that they're too deadly for competition.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth."
Perhaps that is the reason kung fu has had no success in MMA. Why do you think Sifu Tyrone Angolia did good in MMA while other didn't because he modified his kung fu for MMA.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "These are words of wisdom which rarely come from a kung fu person's mouth."
Perhaps that is the reason kung fu has had no success in MMA. Why do you think Sifu Tyrone Angolia did good in MMA while other didn't because he practiced his kung fu right as every other kung fu fighter should have.l
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"Aslo take a look at dan hawley and sifu tyrone agnolia mantis kung fu experts using their art in MMA."
If they spar hard and often under limited rule sets, I'm sure they can make mantis kung fu work in MMA. They are still the exception however, not the norm.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 normal, exception what's the difference it seems you are judging the art by style not the practitoner. what if muay thai boxers were given crappy training and got their asses handed to them in MMA then people like you would say muay thai sucks and boxing/kickboxing is better, what if boxers/kickboxers got their asses kick in mma you wouldn't beleive in the style. It is not the style it is how hard the practionioner works, kung fu isn't well known because it needs serious guys.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"if muay thai boxers were given crappy training and got their asses handed to them in MMA then people like you would say muay thai sucks and boxing/kickboxing is better"
Yes, of course I would. A style is defined by the way it trains most of it's practitioners to fight and the rules they compete under. Muay Thai is thought of as a very useful martial art because almost all of it's practitioners throughout the world can fight well. How else could I possibly judge a martial art's usefulness?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Same for kung fu you have to spar with it to apply it to a fight, if you want to train kung fu for a fight then go to a chool that teaches you how to fight not a wushu class or a mcdojo.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"It is not the style it is how hard the practionioner works"
Not exactly. If you take a guy who has trained BJJ twice a week for 2 years and have him fight a kung fu practitioner who has trained 5 days a week for 10 years, the BJJ guy is still going to win 99 out of 100 times.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 that is true but it depends on the kung fu, bjj wins kung fu because those kung fu guys were strikers and grappler often beat strikers but there are chinese wrestlers and grapplers that have similar judo/jujitsu techniques keep in mind.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"what if boxers/kickboxers got their asses kick in mma you wouldn't beleive in the style"
If there was a style of tennis players who only hit tennis balls against their garage door all day, and when they competed against other tennis players and lost, you would say that their "style" of tennis training was inadequate, right?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 my point is it depends on the training there are kung fu practitioners who do spar like karate and taekwon do heck even kickboxing they spar too. It takes a kung fu practitioner trained for MMA to do good in MMA.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
fuck japan go china
salvation400 1 year ago
Wow these kids are good. o-o Good fight
KingR3aper 1 year ago
WHenever Japanese people lose at something, they accept it. But Koreans always try to argue about it
VNPrince 1 year ago 8
@VNPrince Not that there was any Koreans involved here, but whatever.
kolsyrade 1 year ago 15
@VNPrince I dont think either of these arts are Korean
Mider999 1 year ago
@VNPrince
that is the chinese flag... you must be american if you can't figure it out
mazdaplz 1 year ago
@mazdaplz wow fken ppl cant read. Where in my post did i say that there WASNT a chinese flag? I was simply stating that when Japanese ppl lose something that accpet it unlike koreans
VNPrince 1 year ago
@VNPrince racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SupremeARA915 1 year ago
@VNPrince lmfao they don't accept it, they don't even admit it ¬¬. like ww1. they still say they didn't do anything in it, and that china attacked them first. plus they literally rewrote the world war's history in their own books.
liliumroses96 9 months ago
@VNPrince apparently people approve of completely irrelevant racism these days. i suppose i have to get with the times. sadly i feel disinclined to agree with the ignorant majority... i wonder why :/
ubersum1 6 months ago
@ubersum1 Agreed.
jung567 5 months ago
@VNPrince are kidding me hahah they commit suicide dumb ass....
biebershit11 4 months ago
@VNPrince fuck koreans they ugly n lame. they just mad cuz they get beat at everything.
choyleefutkid1 4 months ago 3
@choyleefutkid1 ---true...very true
po3jet 2 weeks ago
lol notice the dragon balls as round indicators
r3xkilluh 1 year ago
that's kids are great fighters
electropiromano 1 year ago
both of em are pretty bad the way i evaluated them, there was heaps of opening in both their defences, and the kick boxer was really bad he shouldnt of won he kept on retreating when he had so many good option to take him down
AznPrideT0TheExtreme 1 year ago
@AznPrideT0TheExtreme blablabla...so much stupidity in only five lines. congratulations, that's quite an achievement!
Peien193 1 year ago
@AznPrideT0TheExtreme they are kids and with their age they can compete well. The future are bright for these guys. I think you better take your hands in the keyboard and start trainining you fat ass.
WireLeAF 1 year ago
@WireLeAF actually i do
AznPrideT0TheExtreme 1 year ago
@AznPrideT0TheExtreme Both of them are very good and fast, I bet they can beat you then when you are in your prime.
zhipengsun86 1 year ago
This's just chinese boxing. There's no shalion or kung fu here -*-
TAC412 1 year ago
@TAC412 Chinese boxing is kung fu. The kid trained sanshou in the shaolin temple.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
epic win
SuperBluepurple 1 year ago
did they send in a muay thai kid? korean TKD kid?
MC211982 1 year ago
@MC211982 The kyokushin karate kid (Shiratori Taiju) faced a Myau thai kid in thailand a few months later. He won.
It has been on youtube, but i cannot find it at the moment. If I cant find it again I will mirror it.
kolsyrade 1 year ago
@kolsyrade thats so cool!
MC211982 1 year ago
@kolsyrade the person who put it up removed it for some reason kinda annoying to remove it for no reason realy
mitchx69 1 year ago
@kolsyradecan you tell me when you find the video i want to see it
SupremeARA915 1 year ago
@SupremeARA915 when he face the muay thai kid? I already uploaded a copy of that one a few months ago. cleverly named "Kyokushin karate vs Muay thai (12 y old kids)"
kolsyrade 1 year ago
@kolsyrade hey thanks i saw it this kid is badass
SupremeARA915 1 year ago
@kolsyrade watch?v=Ill6RbrGwAg you mean this fight?
reybatistafan 6 months ago
@reybatistafan Its not the original uploader, but yes, its the same video. But I mirrored it a year ago already.
kolsyrade 6 months ago
ROFL me 2
lucariorocks12 1 year ago
mmm La verdad el de negro tiene mas alcanze
JaiRoldan 2 years ago
did anyone else realise that the karate kid had a major height disadvantage...14cm shorter than the other kid
wadavison14 2 years ago
the chinese kid proved himself with that hip throw off the platform. he earned the cheap push afterwards
alaricofarabia 2 years ago
That was gay when the Shaolin guy pushed the Karate guy out of the ring... But thats the rules... I guess it was a good plan. Im not one to say Martial arts are a game and I strongly belive in a fight anything goes as long as you stop your attacker from hurting you, but theres better sportsmanship then pushing out, at least punch him out of the ring lol
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
shut up
gkrfofjq 2 years ago
fuck you
fabregas4aska 2 years ago
Well you both can go push your way to victory lol How good do you think he feels knowing he cheap shot pushed his way to the win??? Hes good, and thats a good tactic, but I dont think I would have done it... If you win without honor, is it a win??? Of course this does not apply in a real fight for your life, but in a tournament... Id say its a unspoken rule, at least for Japanese =D I guess Chinese have a different code of honor...
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
kid from shaolin is better ...shaolin is the best skill and karate is to weak
fabregas4aska 2 years ago
Gotta love how much that makes sense, seeing as Karate comes directly from Chinese kung fu lol Shaolin monks are not as good as everyone puts off, they actually get beat often in underground fights. Shaolin is awesome, and im not gonna say they are weak, because to say any style is "weak" just makes you look stupid. Karate is not weak, it also helps to be a foot taller then your opponet and have twice his reach lol Until you get punched by a bare knuckle Karate punch, just keep quiet lol
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
haha oviusly we have two different thinks about fight
fabregas4aska 2 years ago
Just dont be fooled by movies or demos, shaolin is great, but no one can say which style is the best. All the arts are good, especially ones with history like kung fu and Karate.
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
...i must say you have right :)...kung fu is my favourite
fabregas4aska 2 years ago
@GuamKomudo stop making things up
shaolin monks dont even fight underground you liar
angryaznman 2 years ago
Yeah there was a few that did in like the 1990s in Brazil. Lots of them actually lost, mostly agenst Jujitsu. Shaolin have become weaker sense the time has changed and they never fight for real anymore. Kung fu had lots of ground grappling and fighting, that is the base of Jujitsu. But sense no fighting, they are mostly just a show for the people, people dont care about what is practical, they want to see awesome jump kicks and stuff. Sanda is more true Kung fu then Shaolin.
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
@GuamKomudo
you are making things up. the head of shaolin monestary just confirmed shaolin never has, never will engage in fight contests.
this was after muay thai champions challenged the shaolin temple.
just recently, China 4-1 Muay Thai fighters in Guang Dong
angryaznman 2 years ago
I am not making it up, but maby im wrong. But I am not lying on perpose if I am =( I thought that a shaolin monk fought in a underground fight in Brazil before. I sware I heard that before, maby it was not Shaolin, but just another tempol monk. But many Shaolin monks compete in Sanda competitions in China. Many monks train Shaolin/Sanda and become champions... I know many Sanda schools teach kids Wushu and then later they train Sanda.
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
@GuamKomudo
man, where do you get this stuff. Shaolin Monks DONT PARTICIPATE IN ANY FIGHT COMPETITIONS.
only skill demonstrations. man, i JUST read it. 5 muai thai fighters were LIED to have challenged the Shaolin Temple by a Chinese event planner. (hes a tard)
Shaolin Temple released a statement they never got one from Thai Fighters, BUT, they get challenges EVERY DAY. they NEVER respond.
the Shaolin rep specifically said they have never agreed to fight for a reason like that.
angryaznman 2 years ago
Maby just some Sanda fighters get lucky and are alowed to train in shaolin tempols sometimes. I know even some white people have gotten to before for like a few weeks. But also, if you watch fight quest, they trained in a tempol, they trained in traditional kung fu, then sanda and they fought monks that also participated in Sanda fights, but learned old wushu growing up. Maby shaolin dosent, but many tempols do. Shaolin is getting lame, they never fight..., They can only do cool demos =(
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
@GuamKomudo
you are believing those joke gracie vids claiming these non chinese fighters who dont do anything are so called kung fu masters.
its propaganda and you fell for it like an idiot.
angryaznman 2 years ago
No man, thoughs videos piss me off so much... Its so stupid, the Gracies and MMA fighters in thoughs "MMA VS Karate" vids never do anything. They are stupid videos. The Hapkido guy VS Gracies... A real Hapkido would know lots of ground fighting seeing as it and Jujitsu are very similar. Yet all he tried was side kick. Iv never seen any MMA or Gracie VS a actually good school. Look at Lyoto Machida, Karate obviiusly works, or in your case, Cung Le, Kung fu obviously works.
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
no one teaches application and to du that u need to under stand zen buddhism meaning every single move ment u do is applicatble just use one imagination its a shame great arts are dying to garbage
kaindrg 2 years ago
"But sense no fighting, they are mostly just a show for the people, people dont care about what is practical, they want to see awesome jump kicks and stuff. Sanda is more true Kung fu then Shaolin."
Wow I thought you were a crazy kung fu nutrider but it looks like you have a good amount of common sense after all.
Ljenkins9000 2 years ago
In combat Kung fu its alot different then what you see in the movies. You know me, from many videos. As I said, my family is involved in many asian gang fighting in California. Iv seen combat Kung fu, they usually dont kick above the waist in real life, because its too easy to be flipped over. Mostly sidekick to knee or a type of push kick to the thigh is what Chinese mostly use from what iv seen. Koreans are the jumping people, they do many jump kicks, jump sidekick to the back mostly lol
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
@GuamKomudo And where do you hear these stories of shaolin monks getting beaten up. Shaolin Monks fought Pirates and are trained to have strong bodies where you get this I don't know but it is likely BS.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"And where do you hear these stories of shaolin monks getting beaten up."
There are quite a few stories of monks getting beaten up. There just haven't been any recently, because the monks don't compete, fight or spar with anyone including themselves. They decided it's best not to prove they're not the ultimate magical flyng kung fu fighters people like you think they are.
Everything you think you know about Shaolin monks fighting prowess comes from movies and the TV show "Kung Fu".
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Have you ever heard of their battles against the wokou and how little casualties they had.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"Have you ever heard of their battles against the wokou and how little casualties they had."
Yeah. These are fairy tales. The fact that you still believe such nonsense shows quite a bit about your mental maturity. Not to mention the fact that you cannot make the connection that even if these stories were true, they say nothing of how Shaolin monks today can fight, as the only thing the monks of hundreds of years past have in common with the monks of today is that they are in the same temple.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "Yeah. These are fairy tales. The fact that you still believe such nonsense shows quite a bit about your mental maturity."
Let me ask you something why everytime I tell you something the has been written in history and has had reliable sources that prove you wrong you comeback with nonsense that makes everyone laugh. Are you embarassed enough because to make up such nonsense shows quite alot about your mental immaturity.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
"Let me ask you something why everytime I tell you something the has been written in history and has had reliable sources"
As a history major, I can tell you that those sources are less reliable than Herodotus. Do you also believe the monks can fly and ninjas can actually dissapear because it was written by similar historical sources?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "Do you also believe the monks can fly and ninjas can actually dissapear because it was written by similar historical sources?"
I don't believe monks can fly but I do beleive the black eggs are what made people think ninjas could dissappear?
Do you know who the Wokou are they are pirates who raided asian coastlines why would there be writtien history of wokou in japanese and chinese and korean cultures why would all three of them dismiss it.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 I find you hilarious that you would bring up movies again look who thinks movies come first when talking about the "Real" Shaolin Monks.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
The karate kid positioned himself to be pushed off, there is no rule against pushing, all is fair in war and love. I would done the same thing, or worse, I'm just going to kick karate kid off the stage.
zhipengsun86 2 years ago
Like I said, im a Karate guy, half Japanese done Karate as a kid. Im speaking from Karate guys point of view, I just wouldent have done that cause I feel like its kinda lame... But obviously Kung fu guy wasent there to be Jesus, he wanted to win. Kung fu and Karate is about not dying, if you gotta push someone off the edge to live... Whatever works man. Combat is combat, no one said that was agenst the rules. Real fighters fight with their heads, not their fists. So, good job KF kid!
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
Great match with two 11 year old boys. I would like to see them in competitions when their older.
iiCyx 2 years ago
they were good!!
paraparabangbang 2 years ago
Cool excelent mach up close call..
soapysk 2 years ago