9/11 Un-debunked Version 2.0: WTC Collapse

[MrKenneth0909]

Steel does'nt turn to dust for any reason...

[ElJefe3126]

Major fail here. You know that fire doesn't burn at temperatures of 120 degrees? If you see any open flames whatsoever, then you know that the FLIR readings are wrong, no matter what the scale says.

Of course NIST, or any reputable scientific investigation, would dismiss those FLIR readings as useless.

Try again.

[PostalCode74]

@ElJefe3126 In fact, there wasn't much in the video that addressed results that suposedly contridicted the official story. They just atacked the way the tests were done.

Also, the theory of the controled demolition that the video persented had a major problem. If the entire core on one floor was lost, the collapse would happen imeadiately.

But why am I telling YOU this? You don't agree woth tuthers either.

[nb45001]

nice video

[brmillgr]

The official story doesn't prove a thing to me. Just as the conspiracy theory doesnt prove a thing to those who believe the official story. Why have 1600 engineers and architects signed a petition demanding an independent investigation? Thing is this, if it wasnt for the way WTC 7 collapsed i might actually believe the "official story"

[Garthock]

>old people thinking Rise Against is some sort of death metal screamo band. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[erikssonjonas10]

I tried to watch this, but was forced to stop at 00:53. The music is very disturbing.

Can you please re-make this with a better font a better layed out text and some "normal" background music? .. please?

[PoetryHound]

Not one demolition expert in the world says explosives or incendiaries brought down the towers. Not even the Dutch guy who was shown a manipulated video and said WTC 7 was a demo. None say thermite is appropriate for demolition. It's only non-demo experts who make the demo claims. They also make up absurd scenarios in which thermite is used to cause the gradual bowing. What would be the point of such a bizarre approach to controlled demolition?

[OneVoiceMore]

Seriously, I support your vids, but can we stop with the death metal? It's jarring, loud, brash, and undermines the seriousness of the subject.

It makes me mute the audio.

[saladdogger]

Dont think the building was imploded-- bit difficult to hide lots of explosions. Could it have been weakened somehow? Maybe the mafia hid too many bodies in the concrete.

[BronchoKyle]

yep. The building was imploded. *rolls eyes*

[BronchoKyle]

was the music necessary? geez.

[thedevos1981]

Just wondering do the JREF er's ever talk about the 2.3 trillion dollars that went missing.

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends

[FORMETOKNOWONLY]

What a waste of patriots...

IMHO, same people that pulled off 9/11 set-up the 911 truth movement. The goal is to create a group of insurgents, and when their plans are thwarted the "truthers" will support violent insurrection in the nation, which in turn will bring the iron boot of tyranny down on the necks of the American people. The Truth movement is a part of the 911 conspiracy. Get it?

A word to the wise is sufficient.

[withouafight]

looks like 10 people hit the dislike button. i guess some people dont like admitting they're wrong.

[fredshack]

Let me tell you something, you absolutly cannot trust that anything the debunkers say is even relativley the truth. A pentagon debunker claims the wings of the plane would clearly have desinagrated upon impact (of a wall), but yet are also strong enough to sever massive core collums. Nothing they say ever adds up when you put it together. They just sprerad lies, and the real conspiracy!

[Holysmoke2007]

How did they do it?

How did they put explosives and thermite?

Answer: Controlled demolition undercover, using foney id cards and it should of taken time... investigate 9/11!!

[Holysmoke2007]

0:50 there's Edna. 2750º c and she didnt die

[dharmanova]

Thanks a lot for the video.

I have tried to "debunk" my own suspicions and disbelief of the official explanation but I seemed to fail miserably every time....

:-)

[dharmanova]

What is this song? Sounds like either Blind Guardian or Halloween

[usd25674]

good video

[citizenfor911truth1]

@usd25674

Thank you for your support.

[usd25674]

Thanks for your sanity. Very well made points.

[Batta0909]

Dosn't matter to me if you think the government did it, or the son of an oil family did it. What matters to me is just like everything else in life it's flase duality. The only logical conclusion on either side is killing is wrong, and cannot justify the killing of others.

[Batta0909]

Lets just assume this was an attack on us by "radical Islam" or w/e you wanna call it. Does that really justify an undeclared war? Either way it is clear evidence was ignored in official reports, you can't dispute that. An entire building not even disscussed (from what I hear, I admit) goes to show the countless flaws if that report.

[jayberry7]

Thank God this has less than 400 views still...

[ChrisArcen]

The Tacoma Narrows Bridge was not suppose to fall and the Titanic was unsinkable right!

watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

Nobody will ever know exactly what really happened inside the towers but I am sure it was not the government, the NWO, or little green men setting of bombs!

[Saccharobotylicum]

Oh mann..everything in this video is retarded...you can actually see in some videos that the inward bowing was extensive then it leads to a breaking point and the collapse starsts. NIST says fires intensified the truss bowing.. you can actually run a real experiment then you will see how the trusses will bow..and also you cannot easily emulate the intense fires that were releasing a lot of heat....think about real scientific way to prove things..not from word of mouth..grow up..

[citizenfor911truth1]

@Saccharobotylicum

I don't disagree the inward bowing happened. The mechanism which caused it is at issue. Also, apparently you don't think the UL tests qualified as a "real experiment."

Before calling my video retarded, you should actually try some intelligent refutation.

[Saccharobotylicum]

@citizenfor911truth1

I think you need to try to be logical, its obvious that you don't know about physics and engineering..the extensive bowing happens when the force from above puts more pressure to exterior even with a little structural bowing starts..this is what that experiment doesn't implement..you can see what I mean if you look to how North tower starts to collapse..there is not much bowing like South tower..but there is a buckle because north towers' core columns severed more..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@citizenfor911truth1

You need to think and calculate every aspect of an issue..this is how science works..you truthers always obsessed about some findings that you believe and no robust scientific experiment..evet the truthers' scientists are missing the point in this..as a result you need to try to get more intelligent ideas and try to learn how to work out things that you claim..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum did you watch the whole series of vids? I doubt it - try and inform yourself - it doesn't hurt - maybe you think Osama Bin Laden can make buildings drop at free- fall acceleration because the t.v. tells you - ? Don't ever go to a hypnotist - you'll be clucking like a chicken in no time - you're highly suggestible

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 who told you that I didn't see whole videos..I saw every single one of them..I think first you need to go to high school and learn physics and incorporation to engineering..buildings didn't fall at free speed..its obvious that you haven't even watched the videos carefully..you guys are always offensive and childlish..you need to learn how to analyse things by observation, you re always putting things through word of mouth,things you heard from people like you..thats lame..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum ".buildings didn't fall at free speed.." NIST was forced to admit free-fall in spite of Sunder saying " Free-falltime would be an object that has no structural components below it" - Sunder works for NIST by the way - try and keep up - type NIST admits free-fall into you tube and watch and learn - peace

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 look man you are still saying forced, why would you force someone to say somethn that is not true..obviously you didn't watch detailed videos of the collapse and calculations... watch this one watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&feature=re­lated

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum i didn't say forced and i was talking about wtc7 - explain wtc7 's free-fall as admitted by NIST - and you give me RKOwens as a source - lol - debunk NIST - see my previous post - have you watched that documentary yet? I doubt it - there's a world of info at your fingertips and you think it comes from the t.v.

watch 'Zero' and 'Improbable Collapse' free on video -google - is that too much to ask ? Too log in your life to inform yourself? - free-fall happened dwi

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 you are turning over the same case again and again..cause you don't have enough proofs to tell people..I am saying again,I watched all kinds of documentaries about your shitty truther videos..I am not going to argue with u anymore cause I am at a certain intelligecncy level that can understand and evaluate the facts in a scientific way, not a way that u are trying to implement..sorry for this but, u guys need to grow and get ur brains out of manipulation with conspiracies..lame..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum this is a quote from NIST - who are on the official side by the way - you don't know that do you - "stage 2 - the north face descended at gravitational acceleration as the buckled columns provided negligible support " gravitational acceleration is free-fall - get a clue son - get informed - you are clearly clueless about all this and it's sad

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum watch?v=iXTlaqXsm4k&feature=re­lated watch those three on NIST and free-fall

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 man..why are you changing the topic from towers to WTC7..I am talking about the towers then you suddenly changed to WTC7..this what u always do as truhers cause u don't have anything concrete to show. of course i know that about WTC7 and thats reasonable cause it had structural damage from fires..this whole paranoia with all of u will make the whole nation weaker and manipulated brains wouldn't be successfull individuals..I think this what u need to understand..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 I am not saying don't question the government..of course you will question but not with conspiracies..you are not getting the facts about this terrible tragedy...as I said before..if you knew anything about science and the analytical working process of science..you would find all your answers with the provided information even just with the videos of what happened that day..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum explain how a 47 storey building - the wtc7 can fall at free-fall acceleration as admitted by NIST - if you watch it falling you can see it maintains a horizontal roofline , intact all the way down - how does this happen? Because you're told it did? Because you're told it can? Nothing drops like that , at free-fall acceleration without controlled demolition - explain free-fall to me - and re-read my previous quotes from NIST - i know all about 9/11 , trust me

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 I am not going to spend more time in explaining somethn to you as you are not getting anything..I also know what happaned that day..science proves everything..I was not told by anybody I am seeing the facts that you are sadly unaware..even if I trusted u what would change about the facts..were in the building that day and saw what really happaned? and is this why u are making conspiracies with it?.sorry about this but u r a waste of time..u took more than enough time of my saturday.,

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum why can't you answer a question ? Are you a politician? I'll keep it simple = answer my previous post - you replied with a ramble about facts - yet ironically ignored my fact based question - try answering the question - your first step in learning why 9/11 is a lie - or will you avoid again?

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 look man I think u r retarded..I told u to look to Rowen's videos and other debunking sites and reports..I told u that before and u laughed to rowen's videos. what is ur problem..everything is explained there..u and people like u are epic failures..and yes I am a politician..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum If you can read and understand language , and watch and listen and grasp meaning, THIS excellent series of videos debunks RK Owens - don't make me laugh about those videos - and you a politician? You call me retarded and can't understand an argument = you are lying about being a politician - failure all round for you

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 LOL, you r telling me to grasp me the meaning without u even not doing it, i think u r a dreamer and believer who believes in what u want..LOL thats why you r retarded..u r not respecting anyone man..try to be more minded and put more brain in ur head which u don't have...world would never be a peaceful place when people like u exist..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum wilfully ignorant idiots like yourself demand no ones respect, sadly - and what you wrote is barely intelligible

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 i only laugh at you..you only respect for people with your thoughts..thats it..you started the argument with me..I worte my answer explaining about what I know in my comment to "citizenfor911truth1" then you started messin..ironically you laughed at every point I said....thats why you truhters will be always grounded cause of your pathetic nonsense statements..how dare you think US government did this as an inside job..shame on u..!!

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum - what is your point? How dare you not make one and ramble aimlessly about how stupid people are - try watching these vids and responding to the points made so I or others can respond - this how it works - and yeas I am laughing at you because you're ill-informed and pathetic yet claim intelligence and a moral high ground against 'truthers ' - make a point -  shame on your wilful ignorance about 9/11 - you don't watch, you don't read and assume - because the t.v. told you

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 I am making my points..I watched every single aspect of ur claims..u are always around the same statements..you are not understanding how they worked out this results..and why should I make point to you?? I won't cause you are always going around the same point..hahaha and u still epicly and ironicly saying that TV told me these..you are more and more ignorant about science..try to be more scientific and see how things are working out and u will see your answers..as I told before..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 and also your wilful ignorance about science and integrity in a nation will cause more and more weakness against the threats from terrorists and other political issues..then as I stated before..the whole maddness of the terrorism still going on is partly because of people like you who always claim conspiracies and make this nations look more vulnerable..terrorists thinks that people would again believe that its an "inside job"..that is encouraging them..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 at the end..because of your conspiracies..federal agencies and elements of goverment turned their strategies inward..yet again the biggest example on this is the current crisis..the whole financial bubbles were triggered following the interset rate cut on the federal reserve after the attacks..and the reason was the volatility in the nation..so u are also guilty on this as you created backfire to government, people became more skeptic, and that caused sellfishness..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum your point? You're rambling about nothing but your ill-informed opinion - what's your point? NIST - the supposed scientific body of 9/11 has been proven to be negligent/fraudulent in its un-scientifc so called investigation - i fear you're beyond any conversation - - ramble on

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 try to learn every aspect when you talk about something..you only know about ur stupid conspiracies..but you never think of the impact on the worlwide nations..u are trying to make people to be enemies with their governments..I think you should all be jailed..then create your own conspiracies in your own world..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum it's clear that you assume conspiracies never happen and anyone who thinks they do is crazy ,right? The official story of 9/11 is a conspiracy - or did you miss the meaning of 'conspiracy'? yep - i know you did - sos you believe in a conspiracy - well i'll be - you must be crazy ,right?

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 Hahahah, u made me laugh, of course conspiracies can happen but this one is far beyond a conspiracy and u know why?,, cause your manipulated minds can never get what really is happening in the world..u believe what u believe..its obvious that u don't have any idea about science and still talking u should bail urself out of this topic..and as I said before..government should jail you and people like u, as u r dangerous and ignorant about the nation....!!!

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum i should be jailed? First amendment ? way to go Hitler - you must work in guantanamo - and you still haven't made a point about this series of vids - i dare ya - i doubt you can watch one , never mind the whole series - try making a point - about science - and the science of 9/11 - make a point or shut up and piss off = try it

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 I told u this before I saw those videos, and there is no way of these things can be done by the government, I agree that they had knowledge about it all from CIA, FBI and other agencies that but they ignored it thats the fact; but they were not associated with it..if you want to learn my scientific explanations u need to learn how to argue with people withot irritation first, u brought this argument up, if u want to shut up and piss off do it..everything can be explained by physics..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum  and your point was?

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum where is the proof Bin Laden did it - you were told he did it - hours after the attack - it was his m.o - correct? What proof were you given?

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 there were tons of documentaries and research have been done about the terrorist network located in the US and over erope as well..you truthers will deny that again I know..and also this is the proof that its impossible to talk to you..cause you only think everything people saw or hear is created for the TV and thats it..your whole existence as conspiracist is arasing from there..so how can I know people brainlesss like you didn't put some proofs to the points where u.. TBC

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum there were tons of documentaries? - people who have a point make it and cite a source - this called having a brain - you clearly are incapable of reading this sentence and interpreting its meaning - so go fuck yourself you pointless waste of fuckin time - - make a fuckin point !! you're pointless - ignoramus

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 This is another proof that u r brainless as u couldn't get what is my point after all these comments..science is on my side and u have lunacy on ur side..I am not going to comment on u anymore cause its useless as u are all the same f** truthers..u can send more messages of ur stupid links as u wish I am open to everything,,not like u..!! if there is any comment needed I will surely do..so I hope u will use ur brain during the rest of ur life...keep up with conspiracy theories...

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum 33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person Should Know...

By Jonathan Elinoff, New World Order Report - have a read - and by the way the whole of the U.S was founded on a conspiracy theory - that a conspiracy of Brits was going to enslave America - this lead to the Declaration of Independence,

Science proves 9/11 is a lie , by the way

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 Ok man look conspiracies are only created by the way people think..everybody that you think support this theories are absolutely have no power in the fields that they are..you can investigate urself..even steven jones..he is not even accepted as a qualified master scientist..u can think of everything on a base of conspiracy..but this one is different man..u r claiming that science cannot proove it then look: watch?v=EULH-epXrew&feature=re­lated u cant proove things with common sense.

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 this entire madness that is causing caos in both societies is what makes the people created somethn different everyday..I think all the modifications which was done to the reports and all that are also fake..science is not a matter of acceptance..u need to calculate everythn there are more documentaries which presents more research of other scientists and truthers call this paid off by government.!! they should just stop and think about reality thats why it comes to science not lunacy

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum what was that in English?

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 look this one as well watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4&feature=re­lated  what do u mean by what was that?

[citizenfor911truth1]

@Saccharobotylicum

Infact, it has been confirmed that the damage to WTC 7 was not as severe as was previously thought: 911debunkers(dot)blogspot(dot)­com(slash)2010(slash)03(slash)­25-scooped-out-i-think-not(dot­)html

[Saccharobotylicum]

@citizenfor911truth1 sorry but the link u've sent seems to be fake..and you can see the fires were actually severe if u look to this video: watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4&feature=re­lated these are reports of the people who were inside that day and also good video and photo shots..its obvious that with the breaking glasses the fires were fed with more air..also NIST claims this type collapse is new to structural engineering also in the videos u can clearly see the buckling of the steel frame..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@citizenfor911truth1 you can see the steel frame column under the penthouse failed just before the collapse and the building was still buckling during the collapse as well.watch: watch?v=rawrAdoccDk&feature=re­lated what I mean is pretty clear in the video..look at the penthouse how it bows..also the demolition theory cannot be true when u look all these evidences..infact contrl demolition sounds like this: watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 Even if i try to talk u r ignorantly dismissing the things i am saying and offending cause u truthers are f*** loosers which try to make a self entity for urself and trying to convince people like that by designing conspiracies...I am telling u again......use ur brain before its too late..

[mooners40]

@Saccharobotylicum you're clearly mad

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 where u would find it and claim that it was an inside job..look I am telling u with ur own approach..dont try to manipulate people as u are..and again u are irritating me with ur words and not respecting this is obvious right now..so shut the fuck up and try to use ur brain if u have..

[Saccharobotylicum]

@mooners40 also..you disgracely blame some innocent people as terrorist....you also blamed some brillant scientific agencies who did independent research as agents of the government....all of you truthseekers are disgusting..I will never understand the logic in your brains!!..manipulated..brainwa­shed.. terrorists will see this as a greater damage to the world and encouraged to do more terror..ur pointless conspiracies takes the whole power away in this battle to terror in the world...!!

[cyxgun]

@mooners40 Free fall acceleration? No... I know this is a truther talking point but it's been debunked time and time again. Watch DPRJones' video on the topic and he shows unedited video of the towers falling from start to finish with a timer on it. They fell NO WHERE NEAR freefall speed. Not even close, yet this lie still gets repeated almost daily on youtube...

[mooners40]

@cyxgun nist admits free-fall muppet lol - type it into you tube and wtch and learn - and read my posts before you talk shit

[mooners40]

@cyxgun the commission report states on page 305 that the towers fell in 10 seconds - 9.2 from that height is free-fall in a vacuum - do you agree with the commission report? It's the truth right?

[citizenfor911truth1]

@cyxgun

There is a video which refutes dprjones point by point.

watch?v=OGDxAC07rL0

[doctorr2]

@cyxgun DPR Jones uses the same inaccurate (and probably dishonest) method to time the fall as NIST does: by starting the clock at the first onset of motion, stopping the clock when all motion ceases. In this way they, pretend the fall occurred at a consistent rate and ignore the fact that at its fastest point, the building do, in fact, fall at free-fall speeds. It's telling that the "debunkers" consistently uphold this dishonest method for measuring the speed of the collapses.

[joeysmom6074]

Okies.. the analogy of flight 175's flight path.. has been misrepresented yet again.. The plane was banking a lot more than has been accounted for here.. No surprise.. Why on Earth would I expect you to be accurate or factual?? This has become "normal" behavior for you theorists, and has become widely expected to come from you all..

[citizenfor911truth1]

@joeysmom6074

Those are the plane animations that were provided by NIST you know. If you think they're wrong you'd better complain to them.

[joeysmom6074]

@citizenfor911truth1 No, I think I will complain to the one who is trying to pass every piece of scrap out there into a video and attempt to pass it off as gospel..

[citizenfor911truth1]

@joeysmom6074

Maybe if you'd try some actual refutation instead of pointless allegations and insults

we could get somewhere. I have yet to hear anything legitamite from you.

[joeysmom6074]

@citizenfor911truth1 Nah.. just figured I would follow in your footsteps.. you know, do what you do..

[kapwns]

6:03 this is outright wrong & i hope that you correct it.

fires HAVE brought down steel buildings, & did so quite often during WW2 & the time when the towers were built. you can find evidence of this in the museums i mentioned before.

the other big problem i have is, you point out the anomalies but offer no evidence or theory to support how the structures fell, if not by the planes. the link suggests thermite, despite the ridiculous amount of thermite & secret installation required

[citizenfor911truth1]

@kapwns

I know all about how steel structures have collapsed from fires. I have a video on that very subject. watch?v=k3RnkVzVmQA

[kapwns]

@citizenfor911truth1 sorry i haven't seen that video, i was addressing, 6:03, where you do say the specific words, "even if fire could bring down a steel building, which it never has, before or since 9/11". if you are out for truth and you know its incorrect, why haven't you added an annotation or link to the video?

i'm not saying that as an attack, its jus that i feel no matter what position one takes, we should be striving for accuracy, how else will we progress?

[citizenfor911truth1]

@kapwns

The speaking part is not actually me. I got the clip from another video. I needed the clip so that part was just in their.

[kapwns]

@citizenfor911truth1 ah that explains it, thanks. still i feel you should add an annotation, if only to save yourself from being misrepresented.

you may have already or may not care, meh, i know now and anyone who really cares will certainly see our exchange here and find out as well that its not you that said that.

[kapwns]

8:30 fireproofing was stripped. temperature is in debate so, saying the heat was exaggerated is based on the same personal incredulity that lead to the alleged exaggeration. no conclusions can be made on temperature until we can at least get some solid evidence on what the temperatures even were, which will require more than one independent source that all at least, roughly, agree. there goes 5:00.

[kapwns]

a lot of speculation in this video. what things "should" have happened.

5:30 the report wasn't intended to cover any of the buildings that were destroyed or damaged by the resulting debris, this is why wt7 wasn't mentioned, nor the verizon building.

in my opinion, the NIST report was done very sloppily, perhaps if they had done a better job, we'd all have a better understanding of the events, but that's jus opinion.

[hgfbob]

I like the information....AND the music

[mooners40]

The fdny set up their center in the lobby of the first tower hit - they therefore did not believe it was going to 'collapse'- why would anyone else?

[SeeProfileForDetails]

lose the distracting music

[citizenfor911truth1]

@SeeProfileForDetails

I've said this to other people: If the music bothers you, just mute it.

[mooners40]

watch?v=xD126r9ihaw&playnext_f­rom=TL&videos=EEFGg4q2CsQ  - i'm not sure if you've seen this one , but as we can see the upper floors do not crush the lower floors even in this failed demolition